Seattle pushing back on the $15 minimum wage

posted at 2:01 pm on July 6, 2014 by Jazz Shaw

When Seattle passed their new city council ordinance mandating a staged increase in the minimum wage to $15.00 per hour, many local businesses – as well as observers across the nation – were left shaking their heads. The rules seemed to be unevenly applied, with some businesses having to comply but not others, as well has having a complete disregard for whether or not the job providing entities would be able to remain competitive and survive under the new rules. As Reuters reports, a coalition of business owners are now moving to exercise the power of public support to put the brakes on this thing before it goes off the tracks entirely.

Forward Seattle, which represents restaurants, retailers and other businesses, handed in just under 20,000 signatures to the Seattle City Clerk on Wednesday, more than the 16,510 needed to qualify for the November ballot, said group co-chair Angela Cough.

The proposal would ask Seattle voters to repeal a $15 minimum wage increase that was approved by a unanimous vote of the City Council last month and signed by Mayor Ed Murray. It is scheduled to go into effect over several years.

The move by city leaders marked the first time a major U.S. city has committed to such a high base level of pay. Seattle is among several cities leading the way in a national push by Democrats to raise minimum wages, and the plan in the Pacific Northwest city has drawn criticism from business groups.

Over at The American Thinker, Rick Moran asks a few pointed questions which the city council might want to consider.

Many voters believe all businesses are rich and don’t pay their employees $15 an hour because they’re greedy. They make no connection between the products sold by the business and the value of the labor that makes them.

Perhaps fast food restuarants can cut a few ads asking Seattle residents if they want to pay $8-9 for a Big Mac? Or do with far fewer sales clerks at retail outlets? Or see the price of convenience items skyrocket at gas stations and convenience stores?

The nice thing about the engine of free commerce is that no matter how much it gets shoved and constrained by the forces of government, it always seems to evolve and find a way to get on with business. The examples Rick lists are only a few of the possibilities. Fast food places – as well as other forms of retail outlets – may see these changes as the impetus to invest in more automation, reducing the number of workers and the long term costs associated with employing them. And once that investment has been made, there will be no turning back to the old way of doing things, even if the government mandated conditions improve. True, it will produce a few more well paying, higher tech jobs, but the entry level ones will largely disappear. (And based on a recent trip to Dunkin Donuts, I’m not sure how much worse a few robots could do anyway.)

Of course, with fewer people working, the pool of potential customers shrinks, so the employers can get by with fewer employees anyway. Other cost cutting measures will surely follow. In the end, I imagine that business will survive in some fashion, but it may be quite different than what the residents are used to. Or perhaps they can find a way to communicate these ideas to the voters in a way they can relate to.


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No kids and a command economy.

A true Lefty paradise.

formwiz on July 6, 2014 at 2:02 PM

Please don’t feed the hippies.

Flange on July 6, 2014 at 2:05 PM

Idiotic plan to begin with…

OmahaConservative on July 6, 2014 at 2:14 PM

The $15 an hour wage: More force from the “Team of Choice”.

CW on July 6, 2014 at 2:15 PM

Abolish the minimum wage.

will77jeff on July 6, 2014 at 2:16 PM

No, I don’t want to pay $8 for a Big Mac, I’ll go somewhere else…..hence the problem you frickin’ idiots! Not HA, the hippies and the $15 per hour folks!

hip shot on July 6, 2014 at 2:18 PM

Hey hippies, embrace the suck but first take a shower.

crosshugger on July 6, 2014 at 2:19 PM

Of course, with fewer people working, the pool of potential customers shrinks, so the employers can get by with fewer employees anyway.

So what would be the point of opening a small business?

leftamark on July 6, 2014 at 2:19 PM

Seattle is beginning to make San Francisco look like a bastion of conservatism.Minimum wage just went to $9.00 her in CA July 1.State Assemblyman Mark Leno wanted to raise the minimum wage to $13.00 before this one ever took effect.He was shot down by his own party.The insanity never ends though they will try again and again till they get what they want.

jeffinsjvca on July 6, 2014 at 2:19 PM

A few miles south of Seattle is the city of Sea-Tac. They voted in a $15 per hour wage. Many business just tacked on a surcharge listed on their receipts as a “Living Wage Surcharge.” One local businessman said,”My hourly payroll costs went up but my payroll will stay the same.” Meaning less hours, employees,etc…, but the Usual Lefty Suspects didn’t think of that. I live in a County of maroons.

Tekov Yahoser on July 6, 2014 at 2:23 PM

Maybe they could start charging the prices they will need to charge when it gets to $15 an hour before the election so voters know what they’re voting on. Or at least post the price now vs. the price when it takes effect.

Dan_Yul on July 6, 2014 at 2:24 PM

Seattle can become a great pilot program to demonstrate the folly of a high minimum wage to the rest of the country.

I hope they don’t stop it. I want to see it in its full glory.

4.7% of American workers work for minimum wage. The majority of those are high school and college students working part-time and living at home or in dorms. The idea that millions of Americans are raising families on the minimum wage is a myth. Those families usually discover quickly that welfare pays much better than minimum wage if you have kids.

Meremortal on July 6, 2014 at 2:24 PM

In the end, I imagine that business will survive in some fashion, but it may be quite different than what the residents are used to.

One word: Detroit.

Detroit vilified business for decades, and they have the highest tax rates in the state in every category there is. Businesses will typically find a way, and often times that way is getting the hell out of Dodge.

NotCoach on July 6, 2014 at 2:24 PM

Of course, with fewer people working, the pool of potential customers shrinks, so the employers can get by with fewer employees anyway.

But with fewer people working, then they would have to work longer hours which would mean they would most likely go over the thirty hours per week minimum that would require the employer to furnish Obamacare insurance. So, the small business owner end us jacking up his prices to pay for increased operating costs which ends up turning business away, because who’s going to pay ten bucks for Big Mac?

HiJack on July 6, 2014 at 2:26 PM

ends up

HiJack on July 6, 2014 at 2:26 PM

I supported the passing of the wage hike, and I oppose this.

I want these lefties to suffer the reality of the laws of economics… Maybe they’ll learn something… Probably not… They’ll just blame the red states for not following Seattle’s lead (see: Chicago gun control failure excuses).

Of course,when they pass these laws they know they’re on an island, so pretending later that failure is Alabama’s fault is laughable.

mankai on July 6, 2014 at 2:29 PM

Of course, with fewer people working, the pool of potential customers shrinks, so the employers can get by with fewer employees anyway. Other cost cutting measures will surely follow.

There was this factory in Hungary that needed to hire another worker. The hired worker was so good that he was able to do the jobs of three other workers at the same time. The boss was so delighted he let three workers go. In another two weeks, the worker was able to do the jobs of another six workers at the same time. Soon after the boss let another six workers go. A month later the worker was able to do the jobs of all the other workers in the plant at the same time. So the boss fired the rest of his employees, save the worker who could run the whole plant by himself. Six months later the miracle worker died of a heart attack and the boss had to close his business because no one would want to work for him.

timberline on July 6, 2014 at 2:29 PM

$8 Big Mac is a War on the Poor.

John the Libertarian on July 6, 2014 at 2:33 PM

I make $8 an hour and a Big Mac meal runs me (and everyone on a fixed income) $7!

[mw increase]

I make $15 and hour and a Big Mac meal runs me (and everyone on a fixed income) $14!

[fixed income recipients' buying power sinks while mw earners' remains stagnant]

[demand for another increase in the mw]

Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

/leftist economics

mankai on July 6, 2014 at 2:37 PM

Liberals seem to have the notion that you can mandate prosperity and it does not work like that. Mom and pops will close shop or have to let employees go , and the big guys will cut head count and squeeze the employees still there to pick up the slack. Employee overhead is more than base pay per hour and it is very hard on a small company.The only really healthy increase comes in a thriving economy where employers actually have to compete for employees.That will never be the case while Barky is still in office.

Southernblogger on July 6, 2014 at 2:38 PM

$8 Big Mac is a War on the Poor.

John the Libertarian on July 6, 2014 at 2:33 PM

I admire your enthusiasm, but you have to wait until it happens or people might catch on.

ROCnPhilly on July 6, 2014 at 2:39 PM

timberline on July 6, 2014 at 2:29 PM

You know what I like in economic analysis? Fictitious stories about fictitious events. I think it is time to reexamine your worldview when the only thing propping it up is fiction.

NotCoach on July 6, 2014 at 2:43 PM

$8 Big Mac is a War on the Poor.

John the Libertarian on July 6, 2014 at 2:33 PM

TGOP constantly misses the boat on the fact that Obama’s policies are murder on the working poor. You could start with unnecessarily high fuel prices and how that snowballs throughout the whole economy killing what little buying power you may have.

Southernblogger on July 6, 2014 at 2:44 PM

As Reuters reports, a coalition of business owners are now moving to exercise the power of public support to put the brakes on this thing

Wages have been stagnant even as real GDP has increased, which doesn’t make business owners particularly sympathetic in the eyes of most Americans. I doubt they’ll get anywhere.

Stoic Patriot on July 6, 2014 at 2:45 PM

Idiotic plan to begin with…

OmahaConservative

Name a liberal plan that isn’t. ;)

Gothguy on July 6, 2014 at 2:46 PM

4.7% of American workers work for minimum wage. The majority of those are high school and college students working part-time and living at home or in dorms. The idea that millions of Americans are raising families on the minimum wage is a myth.
Meremortal on July 6, 2014 at 2:24 PM

It is not the 4.7%, it is for all of the unions whose pay scale is directly tied to minimum wage. That wage goes up and tens of thousands of union thugs get to join the next income tax bracket.

Reuben Hick on July 6, 2014 at 2:47 PM

Perhaps fast food restuarants can cut a few ads asking Seattle residents if they want to pay $8-9 for a Big Mac? Or do with far fewer sales clerks at retail outlets? Or see the price of convenience items skyrocket at gas stations and convenience stores?

Excellent article by Rick Moran..Hat tip..:)

PS..Great post Jazz..:)

Dire Straits on July 6, 2014 at 2:48 PM

Good thing that the marxist scumhag from India did them in.

Congratulations, idiots who voted for her.

Schadenfreude on July 6, 2014 at 2:50 PM

The nice thing about the engine of free commerce is that no matter how much it gets shoved and constrained by the forces of government, it always seems to evolve and find a way to get on with business.

Uh… if it’s shoved and constrained by the forces of government is it free commerce?

DarkCurrent on July 6, 2014 at 2:50 PM

big mac is not aimed at the poor, poor ppl can’t afford big macs

its cheaper to buy groceries than to eat fast food

nonpartisan on July 6, 2014 at 2:51 PM

big mac is not aimed at the poor, poor ppl can’t afford big macs

its cheaper to buy groceries than to eat fast food

nonpartisan on July 6, 2014 at 2:51 PM

Who cares?

With EBT, it’s all free to them.

sentinelrules on July 6, 2014 at 2:55 PM

In the end, I imagine that business will survive in some fashion, but it may be quite different than what the residents are used to.

Wishful thinking. A lot of them will simply shut down (or in the case of chains, shut down many of their stores). Open your eyes. It’s already happening everywhere now without a $15 minimum wage as a catalyst.

Obamanomics. Working as intended.

The Rogue Tomato on July 6, 2014 at 2:55 PM

big mac is not aimed at the poor, poor ppl can’t afford big macs

its cheaper to buy groceries than to eat fast food

nonpartisan on July 6, 2014 at 2:51 PM

You’re never going to get any smarter. Does that make you sad?

hawkdriver on July 6, 2014 at 2:58 PM

Glad to be on a Jazz thread, the proglodyte threads just irritate me.

clnurnberg on July 6, 2014 at 2:59 PM

I hate EBT, I think they should go back to obvious food stamps.

clnurnberg on July 6, 2014 at 3:00 PM

More employers should just say, “if you are making less than the new minimum wage — just stay home. I’m already paying you what it is worth to me to have you around….if I’m forced to pay more, it won’t be worth having you.”

cthulhu on July 6, 2014 at 3:02 PM

You’re never going to get any smarter. Does that make you sad?

hawkdriver on July 6, 2014 at 2:58 PM

what part of my statement do you disagree with?

nonpartisan on July 6, 2014 at 3:02 PM

More employers should just say, “if you are making less than the new minimum wage — just stay home. I’m already paying you what it is worth to me to have you around….if I’m forced to pay more, it won’t be worth having you.”

cthulhu on July 6, 2014 at 3:02 PM

so employers should just shut down?

nonpartisan on July 6, 2014 at 3:03 PM

hawkdriver on July 6, 2014 at 2:58 PM

what part of my statement do you disagree with?

nonpartisan on July 6, 2014 at 3:02 PM

It’s actually a lot more than that single comment. Shall we go into it all? The entire premise of my opinion, I mean.

hawkdriver on July 6, 2014 at 3:04 PM

Outside of Seattle, $8.00 popcorn buckets are still an anomaly found in movie theaters.

Wait till that latte grande is only $12.00, and you have to stand in line for an hour to get it.

Progress.

BobMbx on July 6, 2014 at 3:06 PM

nonpartisan on July 6, 2014 at 3:03 PM

That’s what will happen if they are stuck with these stupid wage hikes. Maybe they can hire your illegal buds for less and send the Seattle kids to the unemployment lines.

clnurnberg on July 6, 2014 at 3:06 PM

so employers should just shut down?

nonpartisan on July 6, 2014 at 3:03 PM

That’s a function of economic forcing.

Tell us, why stop at $15/hour? Why not move to $50/hour?

BobMbx on July 6, 2014 at 3:08 PM

Of course, with fewer people working, the pool of potential customers shrinks, so the employers can get by with fewer employees anyway.

Hmmm that seems to explain another problem, but on a larger scale.

I just cannot put my finger on it./sarc

CW on July 6, 2014 at 3:09 PM

They will not be able to pass on the cost of wage hikes and survive. This may be ok for family businesses who run the shop themselves, but Seattle people might just refuse to cough up a huge increase for the cost of their lattes and brew at home. No one wins with an artificially high wage…look at Detroit, in ruins

clnurnberg on July 6, 2014 at 3:09 PM

big mac is not aimed at the poor, poor ppl can’t afford big macs

its cheaper to buy groceries than to eat fast food

nonpartisan on July 6, 2014 at 2:51 PM

So why do the EBT cards work at McDs, Wendy’s and Gay Burger?

BobMbx on July 6, 2014 at 3:10 PM

Idiotic plan to begin with…

OmahaConservative

Name a liberal plan that isn’t. ;)

Gothguy on July 6, 2014 at 2:46 PM

Great point…

OmahaConservative on July 6, 2014 at 3:10 PM

That’s a function of economic forcing.

Tell us, why stop at $15/hour? Why not move to $50/hour?

BobMbx on July 6, 2014 at 3:08 PM

um dood, I’m not for minimum wage hike…I’m totally conservative on the minimum wage issue (I think market should dictate what gets paid)

nonpartisan on July 6, 2014 at 3:11 PM

so employers should just shut down?

nonpartisan on July 6, 2014 at 3:03 PM

When the Harvard Law alumni newsletter becomes unaffordable do you keep buying it?

NotCoach on July 6, 2014 at 3:13 PM

its cheaper to buy groceries than to eat fast food

nonpartisan on July 6, 2014 at 2:51 PM

Poor people don’t need convenience. They need nonpartisan to tell them how to shop and eat.

Meremortal on July 6, 2014 at 3:15 PM

big mac is not aimed at the poor, poor ppl can’t afford big macs

its cheaper to buy groceries than to eat fast food

nonpartisan on July 6, 2014 at 2:51 PM

…well…reality says your brain…is on its last legs!

JugEarsButtHurt on July 6, 2014 at 3:15 PM

big mac is not aimed at the poor, poor ppl can’t afford big macs

its cheaper to buy groceries than to eat fast food

nonpartisan on July 6, 2014 at 2:51 PM

So poor people don’t eat at McDonalds? Poor people all make the same money and have the same priorities? The value menu prices won’t go up?

I bet you did not graduate from high school. $50 to your favorite charity.

CW on July 6, 2014 at 3:16 PM

The nice thing about the engine of free commerce is that no matter how much it gets shoved and constrained by the forces of government, it always seems to evolve and find a way to get on with business.

Tell that to the Venezuelans.

unclesmrgol on July 6, 2014 at 3:17 PM

More employers should just say, “if you are making less than the new minimum wage — just stay home. I’m already paying you what it is worth to me to have you around….if I’m forced to pay more, it won’t be worth having you.”

cthulhu on July 6, 2014 at 3:02 PM

so employers should just shut down?

nonpartisan on July 6, 2014 at 3:03 PM

Is that what he said???

CW on July 6, 2014 at 3:19 PM

So why do the EBT cards work at McDs, Wendy’s and Gay Burger?

BobMbx on July 6, 2014 at 3:10 PM

They do it just to piss off the poor people…………………..

VegasRick on July 6, 2014 at 3:19 PM

They have self-checkout lines at Walmarts now.

Fast food is next.

Moesart on July 6, 2014 at 3:19 PM

nonpartisan on July 6, 2014 at 2:51 PM

No, it really isn’t

And there’s always the Dollar Menu at McDonalds

lineholder on July 6, 2014 at 3:20 PM

big mac is not aimed at the poor, poor ppl can’t afford big macs

its cheaper to buy groceries than to eat fast food

nonpartisan on July 6, 2014 at 2:51 PM

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/health/2007-10-15-fastfood_N.htm

unclesmrgol on July 6, 2014 at 3:20 PM

Employers always have to balance the need to hire more employees against the alternative of buying more technology. All Seattle has done is put a thumb on the Side of the scale that says “buy more tech.”

Fred 2 on July 6, 2014 at 3:21 PM

nonpartisan on July 6, 2014 at 3:03 PM

Is that what he said???

CW on July 6, 2014 at 3:19 PM

Stupid people don’t know they’re stupid.

hawkdriver on July 6, 2014 at 3:21 PM

big mac is not aimed at the poor, poor ppl can’t afford big macs

its cheaper to buy groceries than to eat fast food

nonpartisan on July 6, 2014 at 2:51 PM

Yeh like $3.00 bottled waters and $3.00 6 oz. bags of chips at the C-store. You don’t get out much do you?

CW on July 6, 2014 at 3:22 PM

They have self-checkout lines at Walmarts now.

Fast food is next.

Moesart on July 6, 2014 at 3:19 PM

No doubt.

Lefties love to “make” jobs.

CW on July 6, 2014 at 3:23 PM

Stupid people don’t know they’re stupid.

hawkdriver on July 6, 2014 at 3:21 PM

Worse yet, they think they’re smart. Like Fredo Corleone smart.

VegasRick on July 6, 2014 at 3:23 PM

big mac is not aimed at the poor, poor ppl can’t afford big macs
its cheaper to buy groceries than to eat fast food

nonpartisan on July 6, 2014 at 2:51 PM

http://reason.com/blog/2010/12/10/surprise-temporary-fast-food-b

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_nature/2008/07/food_apartheid.html

And, here is it from the liberal side:

http://frac.org/initiatives/hunger-and-obesity/why-are-low-income-and-food-insecure-people-vulnerable-to-obesity/

unclesmrgol on July 6, 2014 at 3:23 PM

so employers should just shut down?

nonpartisan on July 6, 2014 at 3:03 PM

I think that’s the grand liberal plan. Make it so expensive that the city now has to provide everything.

It’s called single payer food. Your property taxes feed the world.

unclesmrgol on July 6, 2014 at 3:25 PM

hawkdriver on July 6, 2014 at 3:21 PM

Worse yet, they think they’re smart. Like Fredo Corleone smart.

VegasRick on July 6, 2014 at 3:23 PM

“Mikey, you don’t talk to a man like Moe Green that way.”

hawkdriver on July 6, 2014 at 3:27 PM

It’s called single payer food. Your property taxes feed the world.

unclesmrgol on July 6, 2014 at 3:25 PM

ROFL. Well, that’s definitely a new approach to M. Obama’s food control plan!

lineholder on July 6, 2014 at 3:30 PM

Yeh like $3.00 bottled waters and $3.00 6 oz. bags of chips at the C-store. You don’t get out much do you?

CW on July 6, 2014 at 3:22 PM

water is free…drink tap or buy a filter

you can get giant bag of chips for under a buck

you can buy a loaf of bread that can last a week

you can buy sandwich meat on sale

you can buy 3 cans of beans for a buck

you can buy giant tubs of oatmeal for cheap

you don’t need to buy organic. Just look for sales and you can eat healthier and cheaper than fast food.

nonpartisan on July 6, 2014 at 3:30 PM

Never Trust a Hippie

WhatSlushfund on July 6, 2014 at 3:31 PM

“Mikey, you don’t talk to a man like Moe Green that way.”

hawkdriver on July 6, 2014 at 3:27 PM

“Fredo, you’re nothing to me now; not a brother, not a friend. …

That’s exactly how I feel about libs now. I use to feel sorry for them, now I kinda hope they all wind up like Fredo.

VegasRick on July 6, 2014 at 3:32 PM

nonpartisan- one can buy four burgers for four bucks at many fast food places. Prove to me you can do it for less.

CW on July 6, 2014 at 3:33 PM

VegasRick on July 6, 2014 at 3:32 PM

Still, who could stand to take nonpartisan fishing.

hawkdriver on July 6, 2014 at 3:34 PM

nonpartisan- one can buy four burgers for four bucks at many fast food places. Prove to me you can do it for less.

CW on July 6, 2014 at 3:33 PM

That was the first part of the stupidity he seemed uncurious about. But there’s so much more.

hawkdriver on July 6, 2014 at 3:35 PM

You’re never going to get any smarter. Does that make you sad?

hawkdriver

lol….

xblade on July 6, 2014 at 3:36 PM

nonpartisan- one can buy four burgers for four bucks at many fast food places. Prove to me you can do it for less.

CW on July 6, 2014 at 3:33 PM

you can buy a sack of potatoes for less than 5 bucks…which will fill you up more than 4 burgers

nonpartisan on July 6, 2014 at 3:37 PM

Still, who could stand to take nonpartisan fishing.

hawkdriver on July 6, 2014 at 3:34 PM

I nominate Bishop! He likes to fish……………..

VegasRick on July 6, 2014 at 3:38 PM

nonpartisan on July 6, 2014 at 2:51 PM

And you probably don’t understand why I lost my job in the healthcare field, either….

ladyingray on July 6, 2014 at 3:41 PM

big mac is not aimed at the poor, poor ppl can’t afford big macs

its cheaper to buy groceries than to eat fast food

nonpartisan on July 6, 2014 at 2:51 PM

No, it’s not.

Try it.

Buy a meal for 4 on the dollar menu (no soda, drink water). One sandwich and 1 side each is $8.

Go to the grocery store and buy the same ingredients.

Which costs more? (Hint, a pound of extra lean ground beef at the local Acme was $9 the other day).

If you stick to the dollar menu and don’t order drinks it’s cheaper to eat fast food.

talkingpoints on July 6, 2014 at 3:42 PM

nonpartisan on July 6, 2014 at 3:37 PM

Where EBT is spent -

In the District and other urban areas, much more is likely spent at corner stores where junk food is more abundant and fraud is more common. If a small corner store reported high levels of food stamp sales, that could be an obvious indicator that it was accepting customers’ food stamps and giving back cash, a common scheme.
Eat Drink Politics called on the House to mandate that the USDA begin tracking food types and release store totals, calling them “critical to effective evaluation.”
The Senate passed a version of the farm bill Thursday that lowers food stamp spending by $4.5 billion.

But no one in either chamber has proposed an amendment to require the USDA to reveal where the remaining money is going.

VegasRick on July 6, 2014 at 3:44 PM

so employers should just shut down?

nonpartisan on July 6, 2014 at 3:03 PM

No, move.

dominigan on July 6, 2014 at 3:46 PM

you can buy a sack of potatoes for less than 5 bucks…which will fill you up more than 4 burgers

nonpartisan on July 6, 2014 at 3:37 PM

Yuck. Get a bunch of kids to eat nothing but potatoes for a week. Fast food would be healthier than that anyway.

The dollar menu has salads. Sometimes the yogurt parfait is on it. I think they have added veggie sides. Chocolate chip cookies (warm!) are 3/$1. (or so I am told).

talkingpoints on July 6, 2014 at 3:46 PM

CW on July 6, 2014 at 3:33 PM

you can buy a sack of potatoes for less than 5 bucks…which will fill you up more than 4 burgers

nonpartisan on July 6, 2014 at 3:37 PM

Please stop while you’re ahead. This very comment that I imagine you’d typed thinking would vindicate your points, is only going to serve to make people think even more, (and even more people think) that you are utterly clueless.

Sack of potatoes?

smh

hawkdriver on July 6, 2014 at 3:47 PM

I fully support this $15 minimum wage. Repeal the federal minimum wage. When businesses leave the city/state and jobs are exported; everyone who is left can enjoy their success.

lorien1973 on July 6, 2014 at 3:47 PM

When the Harvard Law alumni newsletter becomes unaffordable do you keep buying it?

NotCoach on July 6, 2014 at 3:13 PM

You guys keep getting it wrong, it is Harvard Lawn, they cut grass in Harvard, Nebraska.

F X Muldoon on July 6, 2014 at 3:50 PM

The entire discussion of “who has cheaper hamburgers” is not only idiotic, since the truth highly depends on locality, but also completely redundant. EBT cards should be fashioned to such use as to be the dead-last resort for anyone, just second-worst to starvation. In fact, soup kitchens look like a better, cheaper, fairer, and (judging by the content of some porch creatures’ shopping carts in my back of the woods) much healthier alternative.

Rix on July 6, 2014 at 3:50 PM

I fully support this $15 minimum wage. Repeal the federal minimum wage. When businesses leave the city/state and jobs are exported; everyone who is left can enjoy their success.

lorien1973 on July 6, 2014 at 3:47 PM

And by “success” you, unfortunately, mean a federal bailout. Guess who shoulders the tab for it?

Rix on July 6, 2014 at 3:52 PM

you can buy a sack of potatoes for less than 5 bucks…which will fill you up more than 4 burgers

nonpartisan on July 6, 2014 at 3:37 PM

Since you’re so smart, maybe you can explain how you make burgers out of potatoes, or are you bailing on your original comparison?

dominigan on July 6, 2014 at 3:53 PM

They got 20K signatures on a petition for the $15 wage, but didn’t bother to recall the whole city council at the same time…

Silly.

Get people to sign 2 petitions.

CrazyGene on July 6, 2014 at 3:53 PM

Rix on July 6, 2014 at 3:50 PM

Appreciate your sentiment. Some of the imagery is over the top IMHO. Unnecessary.

hawkdriver on July 6, 2014 at 3:54 PM

Rix on July 6, 2014 at 3:50 PM

I don’t care if this sounds cruel, but I think we need to put that shame back in public assistance. If there must be EBT cards make them jail house orange.

clnurnberg on July 6, 2014 at 3:54 PM

nonpartisan on July 6, 2014 at 3:30 PM

Again, you don’t get out much.

Go to C Store in a poorer area. See what people buy.

CW on July 6, 2014 at 3:55 PM

you can buy a sack of potatoes for less than 5 bucks…which will fill you up more than 4 burgers

Oh, great, now it mocks the Irish.

F X Muldoon on July 6, 2014 at 3:55 PM

Which costs more? (Hint, a pound of extra lean ground beef at the local Acme was $9 the other day).

talkingpoints

Ouch! Bought 1.25 lbs two days ago for around $4.00. It wasn’t extra lean, but the extra lean was in the $5 range.

xblade on July 6, 2014 at 3:55 PM

water is free

nonpartisan on July 6, 2014 at 3:30 PM

CW on July 6, 2014 at 3:57 PM

you can get giant bag of chips for under a buck

nonpartisan on July 6, 2014 at 3:30 PM

Define giant.

So stupid.

CW on July 6, 2014 at 3:58 PM

water is free

nonpartisan on July 6, 2014 at 3:30 PM

ROFL
Tell that to the people who send me my water bill and who put the meter on my pipeline. How old are you?

clnurnberg on July 6, 2014 at 3:59 PM

why should the poor be concerned about extra lean beef? they should get regular ground beef, fat helps fill the belly and stave off hunger

unless the poor are focused on getting six pack abs

nonpartisan on July 6, 2014 at 3:59 PM

Appreciate your sentiment. Some of the imagery is over the top IMHO. Unnecessary.

hawkdriver on July 6, 2014 at 3:54 PM

Stow that race card where the sun doesn’t shine, and I don’t mean it as an offense, honestly. We have a lily white neighborhood here, with a tinge of yellow. Porch creatures, unfortunately, come in a large variety of hues.

Rix on July 6, 2014 at 3:59 PM

unless the poor are focused on getting six pack abs

nonpartisan on July 6, 2014 at 3:59 PM

Moochelle gonna kick your dim ass.

CW on July 6, 2014 at 4:02 PM

water is free

nonpartisan on July 6, 2014 at 3:30 PM

Live in Detroit, do ya?

I always order water when I eat out, regardless of the establishment, because I am not going to pay $1.50 to $2.00 for a soft drink, but I not think for a second that water is “free”.

ladyingray on July 6, 2014 at 4:02 PM

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