Obama administration looking for Plan B for, er, Plan B after Hobby Lobby

posted at 1:01 pm on July 5, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

Narrowly decided?” The White House apparently knows better than to buy into the media’s rush into a comforting consensus over the applicability of the Hobby Lobby decision. The New York Times reports today that the Obama administration has begun looking into large-scale alternatives to the HHS contraceptive mandate after the Supreme Court blew a big hole in it this week:

The Obama administration, reeling from back-to-back blows from the Supreme Court this week, is weighing options that would provide contraceptive coverage to thousands of women who are about to lose it or never had it because of their employers’ religious objections.

The administration must move fast. Legal and health care experts expect a rush to court involving scores of employers seeking to take advantage of the two decisions, one involvingHobby Lobby Stores, which affects for-profit businesses, and the other on Wheaton Collegethat concerns religiously affiliated nonprofit groups. About 100 cases are pending.

One proposal the White House is studying would put companies’ insurers or health plan administrators on the spot for contraceptive coverage, with details of reimbursement to be worked out later.

Another would give the administration itself a larger role in offering cost-free coverage to women who cannot get it through their employers, although the option for a new government entitlement appears unrealistic for financial and political reasons.

The White House is under such pressure that no one has been able to work out details of how the alternatives would be financed or administered.

No one bothered before now to look into a Plan B for, er, Plan B and coverage for other contraceptives? Granted, there have been conflicting rulings from district and appellate courts on this issue, but the large majority of rulings foreshadowed both Hobby Lobby and Wheaton College. The Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, which has been fighting these cases on behalf of business owners, has this helpful infographic to show the lopsided results so far:

becket-hhs-mandate

The problem for the administration before now was that any alternative would have proven Becket Fund and other attorneys for business owners correct. Under the RFRA, HHS had to argue that their current mandate both served a compelling governmental interest and that their solution was the least burdensome method to serve that interest in relation to the right to free religious expression. Had they been working on another, intermediate solution such as those outlined in this article, the courts would have chewed up HHS and spit out the contraception mandate and its so-called “accommodation” long before now.

In fact, that’s exactly what Justice Samuel Alito did by highlighting the “accommodation” that never got offered to Hobby Lobby or other for-profit businesses. That reference was initially misunderstood as an endorsement of the accommodation, but it was instead a demonstration of the failure of HHS to meet the “least burdensome” test. The injunction for Wheaton College strongly suggests that the accommodation will fall too, at least in part because it’s still not the least burdensome way that the government can serve their interest in providing contraception for free, and perhaps because scrutiny on that claim may eliminate even that basic issue for reasons I described in my Fiscal Times column this week:

Contraception in almost all of its forms is inexpensive and widely available. Furthermore, although HHS considers contraception preventive medicine, it doesn’t prevent disease or block the spread of contagion, unless one considers babies a plague.

Besides, there is no crisis in accessing contraception. As noted above, the CDC’s 26-year study of unplanned pregnancies (1982-2008) shows that 99 percent of all sexually active women seeking to avoid pregnancy accessed contraception. Access to contraception is such a non-issue that the word “access” only appears once in the entire report, and that in a footnote about access to health insurance. So despite all of the shouts of doom, nothing in this decision impacts the already-universal access to contraception Americans have had for the last four decades.

Furthermore, even if this were some kind of contraception-access crisis in the US, HHS chose the most burdensome method of addressing it. The federal government already subsidizes contraception for low-income Americans through Title X; the Obama administration or Congress could have expanded that program. They could have reclassified birth-control pills as over-the-counter rather than requiring a prescription, as Bobby Jindal and other Republicans have proposed.

Instead of trying those intermediate remedies, HHS instead forced employers and their insurers to provide contraception for free regardless of their religious beliefs, while at the same time arguing hypocritically that any resistance to that idea was tantamount to interfering in a private transaction between a woman and her doctor.

The White House knows this. Their sudden desire to find a completely new workaround for the HHS contraception mandate shows that they’re not buying the “narrowly decided” hype now. Now that they’ve lost, they are going back to the drawing board in a way which future courts can cite to show just how far off the mark the Obama administration was in satisfying the RFRA in the first place. The desperate attempt to redraft the HHS contraception mandate is a surrender to a complete loss.

Addendum: By the way, the administration’s argument that contraception should be free because it saves money has also run into reality, which the NYT notes in its conclusion:

The situation is more complicated when employers self-insure. There, the administration says, outside plan administrators may obtain a “compensating reduction” in the fees paid by insurers to participate in the insurance exchanges established by the health care law. Those adjustments, the administration has said, will not cost much.

Some religious organizations are using that arrangement. But employee benefits experts said it was not working well, in part because insurers and third-party administrators have had to foot the bill for contraceptive coverage without any immediate offset or reimbursement. …

The Obama administration says the cost of providing contraceptives will be offset by savings that result from greater use of birth control, “fewer unplanned pregnancies” and improvement in women’s health. But, Mr. Condeluci said, “It may be years before the savings are realized.”

If ever. This was part of the White House’s argument that contraception is preventive medicine, on par with vaccinations and regular exams, except those actually prevent disease. They save money because the costs of disease are (a) substantial and dramatic, (b) near term, (c) always unplanned, and (d) not a lifestyle choice being merely postponed rather than entirely avoided. All of the costs for contraception are incurred up front, while the savings are theoretically occurring over 20-30 years, and even then only if the consumer chooses to have no children ever. Even so, insurers have to raise enough money in premiums in the current year to satisfy up-front outlays, so “free” contraception will raise premiums no matter what.


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Adolf Hitler took a lot of things and twisted them, doesn’t mean all of his ideas were bad ones

nonpartisan on July 5, 2014 at 3:18 PM

LOL! Marge Schott, is that you?!

Shay on July 5, 2014 at 3:39 PM

must be nice in that naive fantasy land of yours

nonpartisan on July 5, 2014 at 2:03 PM

…non of us are constantly…in a constant state of drug addiction like your two tiny hemorrhoidic brain cells!

JugEarsButtHurt on July 5, 2014 at 3:40 PM

RWM, why don’t we do a co-blog (maybe a monthly series) where we face off on different current hot topic areas
unless yer yella
nonpartisan on July 5, 2014 at 3:19 PM

The writings which you offer on here not only exemplify simple minded delusions of thought but insult every other poster on here when you think they could co-babble with your silliness.

anuts on July 5, 2014 at 3:41 PM

I may take you up on it…stay tuned

nonpartisan on July 5, 2014 at 3:31 PM

How long have you posted here? RMW has had that blog for as long as I can remember.

CW on July 5, 2014 at 3:41 PM

I may take you up on it…stay tuned

nonpartisan on July 5, 2014 at 3:31 PM

We’ll be waiting with bated breath.

Resist We Much on July 5, 2014 at 3:42 PM

Adolf Hitler took a lot of things and twisted them, doesn’t mean all of his ideas were bad ones

nonpartisan on July 5, 2014 at 3:18 PM

WTF?

Hitler envisioned Germany and Germans as the superior army any colony. Each member perfect who followed commands precisely and without fail or regard for themselves.

All others were to be used as slaves to the colony or disposed of.

darwin on July 5, 2014 at 3:42 PM

In short, this very childlike blurting out is void of any thoughtful conclusion and would only be prevalent in chronological adults with an arrested development of logic.

anuts on July 5, 2014 at 3:35 PM

That can be captivating when put into the right societal mix. Back in the ’30s it was blond hair and blue eyes… millions died due to eugenics and all the ‘good’ it could do. And those who didn’t fit the mold? Many of them were rated as ‘defective’. And that wasn’t just in Germany, either.

ajacksonian on July 5, 2014 at 3:42 PM

One proposal the White House is studying would put companies’ insurers or health plan administrators on the spot for contraceptive coverage, with details of reimbursement to be worked out later.

Yeah, everything with this administration has to be “worked out later”.

Example: ObamaCare

The ‘law of the land’ that has been altered 20 times. The ‘law of the land’ that had to be passed because “people are dying in the streets!” according to Pelosi.

GarandFan on July 5, 2014 at 3:52 PM

Always funny what questions the trolls will answer and which ones they won’t.

CW on July 5, 2014 at 3:54 PM

Adolf Hitler took a lot of things and twisted them, doesn’t mean all of his ideas were bad ones

nonpartisan on July 5, 2014 at 3:18 PM

That pretty much says it all, doesn’t it?

Just like poor Uncle Joe “misapplied” communism, right?

I have a new phrase indicating extreme disgust: “Obama voter.”

Adjoran on July 5, 2014 at 3:55 PM

RWM, why don’t we do a co-blog (maybe a monthly series) where we face off on different current hot topic areas

unless yer yella

nonpartisan on July 5, 2014 at 3:19 PM

…as if obama compares himself to Einstein.

Fiction, good or bad, can never make this up.

Schadenfreude on July 5, 2014 at 3:59 PM

Adolf Hitler took a lot of things and twisted them, doesn’t mean all of his ideas were bad ones

nonpartisan on July 5, 2014 at 3:18 PM

Why trolls should not be banned. Eventually Rogerb’s library ends up with new HA classics.

Schadenfreude on July 5, 2014 at 4:01 PM

Dey luv dem sum derp from dumb trolls.

Just lurking around…but that made me laugh out loud.

Doc Holliday on July 5, 2014 at 4:01 PM

I think it’d be cooler for me and RWM to do an opposing views type blog on pertinent issues

nonpartisan on July 5, 2014 at 2:57 PM

And you would represent the ignorant of all things, racist, bigoted, and most likely mentally challenged view?

NotCoach on July 5, 2014 at 4:02 PM

Adolf Hitler took a lot of things and twisted them, doesn’t mean all of his ideas were bad ones

nonpartisan on July 5, 2014 at 3:18 PM

Which of Hitler’s ideas do you find to be the most awesome?

NotCoach on July 5, 2014 at 4:03 PM

Which of Hitler’s ideas do you find to be the most awesome?

NotCoach on July 5, 2014 at 4:03 PM

As you’d guess she’s not answering. AKA …she pulled that line out of her ass without thinking. (Let’s hope)

CW on July 5, 2014 at 4:07 PM

Actually, they seem to be looking for Plan Q.

Adolf Hitler took a lot of things and twisted them, doesn’t mean all of his ideas were bad ones

nonpartisan on July 5, 2014 at 3:18 PM

About 5 million American vets would disagree.

formwiz on July 5, 2014 at 4:14 PM

As you’d guess she’s not answering. AKA …she pulled that line out of her ass without thinking. (Let’s hope)

CW on July 5, 2014 at 4:07 PM

Doubt it was pulled out her ass – particularly based on the posts before. She just let loose some ‘inconvenient’ truths and now has to figure out how either remove herself from the hole she dug, or vamoose after displaying her obvious embracing of fascism.

Or, she’s busy putting on her brown shirt and patting herself on her back in the delusional belief that she actually ‘won’ the debate.

Athos on July 5, 2014 at 4:16 PM

Yikes. We are gonna be like China soon. What the heck is going on with this administration. Suing NUNS! Who sues nuns?

southernms on July 5, 2014 at 4:36 PM

RWM, why don’t we do a co-blog (maybe a monthly series) where we face off on different current hot topic areas

nonpartisan on July 5, 2014 at 3:19 PM

You do realize that RWM is not EVAH in this life going to date you, right?

Well, in fact no one at all is ever going to date you.

I’m sorry.

Dolce Far Niente on July 5, 2014 at 4:50 PM

Ned Pepper on July 5, 2014 at 1:14 PM

You lost the immigration debate this morning. I’d bet that you’ve never been to India.
Sad that you want to lose this discussion too.

Here’s the lesson you must consider:
If you’re butthurt, quit sticking your backside out that it keeps getting whacked.

nonpartisan (multiple drivel and vomit)

The above lesson is for you as well!

22044 on July 5, 2014 at 5:04 PM

Gee, a lazy Saturday during a long holiday weekend. Let’s play kick the troll!! Never mind, not worth it.

txmomof6 on July 5, 2014 at 5:04 PM

I can’t wait to see Obama and his party handing out abortion drugs like candy.

Only a leftist like him could think this would get him votes.

PattyJ on July 5, 2014 at 5:50 PM

The people’scube has fun with the SC decision and the dismay of the harridans.
http://www.thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/epidemic-deaths-of-females-due-to-abortifacient-deprivation-t14351.html

onlineanalyst on July 5, 2014 at 6:34 PM

The other impertinent mucker.

Schadenfreude on July 5, 2014 at 6:55 PM

Which of Hitler’s ideas do you find to be the most awesome?

NotCoach on July 5, 2014 at 4:03 PM

Well, to be fair, the blitzkrieg revolutionized warfare.

Tlaloc on July 5, 2014 at 7:26 PM

Ned Pepper on July 5, 2014 at 1:14 PM

You lost the immigration debate this morning. I’d bet that you’ve never been to India.
Sad that you want to lose this discussion too.

Here’s the lesson you must consider:
If you’re butthurt, quit sticking your backside out that it keeps getting whacked.

nonpartisan (multiple drivel and vomit)

The above lesson is for you as well!

22044 on July 5, 2014 at 5:04 PM

What debates do you think Ned and my doppelganger are trying to “win”?

They aren’t trying to be serious, they don’t care if they get “smacked down” every time. They are looking to suck up attention, and derail threads. By that standard, they are winning.

Gee, a lazy Saturday during a long holiday weekend. Let’s play kick the troll!! Never mind, not worth it.

txmomof6 on July 5, 2014 at 5:04 PM

That’s right, because the trolls like it. They laugh at all who take their bait. I’m somewhat amazed their blatant bullsh!t still works for them here after all of this time.

non-nonpartisan on July 5, 2014 at 7:38 PM

Adolf Hitler took a lot of things and twisted them, doesn’t mean all of his ideas were bad ones

nonpartisan on July 5, 2014 at 3:18 PM

I’ll go you one easier, and just ask you *which* of the hun’s ideas you thought was “not bad”?

Because every single, solitary idea adolph hitler had, was evil.

He was a brooding, lazy, spoiled, petulant little closet homo, who wanted the world to bow to his will, so he could crush everyone and everything. There was never a thought in his head about another human being’s welfare, period. All he wanted was power; Power and revenge on the whole world for his miserable existence.
Germany and the German people were merely a tool to him…a means to his end.

People that think otherwise, are dangerously ignorant.

Ergo, the left and their current ‘fuerher’; Neither obama, nor the overwhelming majority of his remaining supporters, have a single, solitary good idea for anything other than their own power over others. He is every bit the sick, vengeful, petulant spoiled brat hitler was, and you can’t see it.

Wake up. …before it’s *your* turn to get on the box car headed for ‘The Camps’.

a5minmajor on July 5, 2014 at 7:51 PM

Well, to be fair, the blitzkrieg revolutionized warfare.

Tlaloc on July 5, 2014 at 7:26 PM

Well, well, well. If it ain’t another ignoramus of history. Hitler didn’t invent the blitzkrieg. In fact no one did. Those in the Wehrmacht said it was just a natural way to fight depending on the situation at hand, and the equipment available to them. There is zero documented proof that German generals sat down and designed blitzkrieg style warfare. And if you’re going to credit any Nazi with the blitzkrieg it would be Heinz Wilhelm Guderian.

What is it about trolls and their desire to continually make fools of themselves? Have none of you ever been taught shame?

NotCoach on July 5, 2014 at 8:01 PM

What debates do you think Ned and my doppelganger are trying to “win”?

They aren’t trying to be serious, they don’t care if they get “smacked down” every time. They are looking to suck up attention, and derail threads. By that standard, they are winning.

non-nonpartisan on July 5, 2014 at 7:38 PM

Point taken, but many people read these threads and aren’t as familiar with the arguments. They don’t comment and often aren’t registered to comment.

22044 on July 5, 2014 at 8:03 PM

Obama administration looking for Plan B for, er, Plan B to do whatever ever the hell it wants to while dropping trou at SCOTUS after Hobby Lobby

Fixed to make it more accurate. As if Barry gives a crap what the laws and/or SCOTUS say.

Physics Geek on July 5, 2014 at 8:04 PM

Point taken, but many people read these threads and aren’t as familiar with the arguments. They don’t comment and often aren’t registered to comment.

22044 on July 5, 2014 at 8:03 PM

Yes, to take unserious troll bait, and argue with them seriously is the best way to counter what they say.

You don’t really believe that, do you? lol

non-nonpartisan on July 5, 2014 at 8:09 PM

Point taken, but many people read these threads and aren’t as familiar with the arguments. They don’t comment and often aren’t registered to comment.

22044 on July 5, 2014 at 8:03 PM

The trolling is a useful barometer of the extreme thought processes going on (or lack thereof).

We get the ‘necessity’ of welfare.

Then the great boon of abortion for those stuck on welfare.

This has a known course of ghettoization and then, after that, comes the great ‘help’ of sterilization due to the stigma of being on welfare… which was a great good… and the rationale will be along the lines of the early Progressives of not just eugenics but requiring individuals to justify their continued existence.

That happened post-WWI in multiple countries in various guises, with most of them centering on mental institutions. There much ‘help’ was given via sterilization. In our generation the DSM IV has gotten malleable enough so that just about anything can fit in as a mental disorder that will require ‘help’ via institutionalization or using an existing institution, say the welfare offices, to identify individuals who will ‘qualify’ for such help. Perhaps ‘health care plans’ will be used, as well… or the Medicaid/Medicare rolls.

So much ‘help’ that government has rendered in the past that we thought we had permanently walked away from is now returning. Government cannot create life, but it sure as hell can create processes to kill and the easiest to go after are the law abiding poor and innocent.

The trolls are EXTREMELY helpful in giving the gauge of this.

ajacksonian on July 5, 2014 at 8:18 PM

Yes, to take unserious troll bait, and argue with them seriously is the best way to counter what they say.

You don’t really believe that, do you? lol

non-nonpartisan on July 5, 2014 at 8:09 PM

You may have your view and that is fine. I’m just presenting a different perspective that I think is useful.

I usually ignore the trolls myself. I just posted that one comment.

22044 on July 5, 2014 at 8:21 PM

You may have your view and that is fine. I’m just presenting a different perspective that I think is useful.

I usually ignore the trolls myself. I just posted that one comment.

22044 on July 5, 2014 at 8:21 PM

You didn’t answer my question directly, so I’ll ask it again.

to take unserious troll bait, and argue with them seriously is the best way to counter what they say.

You don’t really believe that, do you?

non-nonpartisan on July 5, 2014 at 8:26 PM

You didn’t answer my question directly, so I’ll ask it again.

non-nonpartisan on July 5, 2014 at 8:26 PM

I’m not interested in providing a direct answer.

22044 on July 5, 2014 at 8:53 PM

“Dear Sirs:

We noted the following phrase on your website:

I have a new phrase indicating extreme disgust: “Obama voter.”

We, the undersigned request that you NEVER apply such a demeaning, and insulting term to any or all of us. Men have standards. Even those such as us.

Cordially,
Jeffrey Dahmer
Adolf Hitler
Pol Pot
Josef Mengele
‘Jack’ the Ripper (ID held, by personal request to Satan)

orangemtl on July 5, 2014 at 9:03 PM

I’m not interested in providing a direct answer.

22044 on July 5, 2014 at 8:53 PM

Ok, but it does tell me what your honest answer is.

non-nonpartisan on July 5, 2014 at 9:54 PM


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Global HAWK on July 5, 2014 at 10:06 PM

EVERYONE is for eugenics

If I asked any parent would they want their kid to be tall or short…they’d pick tall

If I asked any parent would they want their kid to be ugly or good looking…they’d pick good looking

we just aren’t there yet technologically…but we will get there

no one desires short ugly offspring. that’s just the ugly truth.

nonpartisan on July 5, 2014 at 2:37 PM

You make me sick. No really. I read this comment and about had to leave and throw up. I would take any child I was blessed to be able to carry. Any. I have lost two. The last had DS and we lost him around 9 weeks. I would give anything to be carrying him right now.

You are sick and depraved. *spit*

cptacek on July 6, 2014 at 2:00 AM

nonpartisan on July 5, 2014 at 2:37 PM

cptacek on July 6, 2014 at 2:00 AM

nonpartisan is certainly being a bit hyperbolic, but you shouldn’t be too quick to judge the technology involved – it will likely be capable of helping your situation “naturally” one day as well.

nullrouted on July 6, 2014 at 2:23 AM

Buy your own fu*ki*g pills, all of you.

Schadenfreude on July 5, 2014 at 1:02 PM

Totally agree that my health insurance premium should NOT include viagra, cialis, or any other sexual enhancing procedure……for men. Then women wouldn’t need so much ‘contraceptives’.

athenadelphi on July 6, 2014 at 7:33 AM

nonpartisan on July 5, 2014 at 1:48 PM

The fact that you don’t know the correct usage of “less” vs “fewer” means the rest of your drivel is flat out ignored.

Nutstuyu on July 6, 2014 at 8:52 AM

Because every single, solitary idea adolph hitler had, was evil.

a5minmajor on July 5, 2014 at 7:51 PM

Reichsautobahn. While conceived under the Weimar Republic it was the Nazis that embraced it and expanded it across Germany, giving the world the first what we call an Interstate Highway system.

But you say everything Hitler touched was evil, I assume you are a proponent of ripping up our Interstates? When do you propose we start to get rid of such an evil system?

tphillip on July 6, 2014 at 9:16 AM

While conceived under the Weimar Republic…

IOW, it wasn’t Hitler’s idea, and we are still missing that one good idea he actually came up with all by himself.

F X Muldoon on July 6, 2014 at 10:12 AM

When do you propose we start to get rid of such an evil system?

tphillip on July 6, 2014 at 9:16 AM

Just wait, eventually banktrupt states will ask for those roads back so they can toll them.

nobar on July 6, 2014 at 10:47 AM

But you say everything Hitler touched was evil, I assume you are a proponent of ripping up our Interstates? When do you propose we start to get rid of such an evil system?

tphillip on July 6, 2014 at 9:16 AM

I don’t think civilization owes the concept of interstate highways to Hitler. The concept would have come about anyway, with or without Hitler, and only a fool would think otherwise.

zoyclem on July 6, 2014 at 11:44 AM

If you can’t afford 9/bucks a month for contraception, maybe you should just keep your legs crossed.

Mariadee on July 6, 2014 at 11:49 AM

nonpartisan is certainly being a bit hyperbolic, but you shouldn’t be too quick to judge the technology involved – it will likely be capable of helping your situation “naturally” one day as well.

nullrouted on July 6, 2014 at 2:23 AM

No. nonpartisan regularly implies that who he/she considers inferior should be “taken care of” and disposed of. That person earns only my contempt.

cptacek on July 6, 2014 at 1:12 PM

Does anyone besides me see a danger in the government deciding medical drug coverage based on what will save money?

Sarah Palin warned of death panels, I’m worried about an expansion of hospice facilities that in effect will be death camps.

WestTexasBirdDog on July 6, 2014 at 2:23 PM

WestTexasBirdDog on July 6, 2014 at 2:23 PM

The pathway to this is setting ‘universal’ coverage requirements for medication and then ‘mandating’ a price-point for them. That is the creation of a monopsonist and it has large ramifications whenever it is done as whatever the price point is, there will be an inability to meet it. Monopsonists have market purchase capture: they are the sole purchasers and can set whatever price they want for that market. That is not a market driven price, however, and when it is too low you get scarcity. It is rare that a monopsonist fails in the other direction unless it is to reward cronies after having driven out other market competitors via low price points.

Consider that the government now has access to the health care information of each and every citizen, and that the organ of accountability is a rogue IRS. As we have seen in prior history, a government that has control over any part of a health care system fails to run it well and those treated poorly are those in the system. Government power is not a path to efficiency as that requires market forces to be at work amongst multiple purchasers and sellers. Whenever a government captures purchasing for a large market segment or captures a market segment via fiat (ex. Medicaid or Medicare) it will not pay sufficient costs to cover the provisioning of actual care or, even worse, as seen in the VA, drive out competition and then reward those who did so directly or indirectly. The ‘death panels’ have already arrived in the VA via the waiting list scandal: those on the list are targeted for death. That is not a thing in question but an actual fact at this point in time, and it is done in service of rewarding cronies and bureaucrats while forcing patients to suffer and die.

The path from ‘helpful’ government to one that then starts to abuse and tyrannize those it has captured is well-worn and documented, and you don’t even have to go to Wiemar Germany to find it, but right here in the US with mental hospitals and the forced sterilization of patients. That can most easily be grafted onto other government health care programmatics via the bureaucracy to ‘economize’ the cost of providing health care. We already have drug shortages, a shortage of doctors and nurses… this will only get worse the more government ‘helps’ and writes rules, regulations and decides what is provided for ‘free’ which physicians and companies cannot make up via actual sales.

This is de facto death panels via the deprivation of drugs that require market forces to set actual, real prices for them. The government has decided to pay less than the production cost for those medications, and now we all shall pay dearly for this ill-suited conception of government ‘help’ in health care. You don’t need death camps when you can just suffer and die without needed medications because you aren’t a favorite of the system. Who needs hospices when your home will serve just as well and much more quietly?

ajacksonian on July 6, 2014 at 3:45 PM

You and me and a dog named Bo, a lyin’ and a livin’ off the people!

Sherman1864 on July 7, 2014 at 2:24 AM

Problem with the whole “it saves money” scheme is obvious when you are confronted with the “99% of women accessed birth control when wanted”.

Women are not in “need” of free birth control, thus giving it to them for free when 99% of them already had it is not preventing anything.

It is virtually certain that not one woman in the US will end up with an unplanned pregnancy because they couldn’t get FREE birth control from Hobby Lobby, etc.

deadrody on July 7, 2014 at 12:11 PM

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