GOP can’t win the ‘War on Women’ if they don’t fight it

posted at 2:01 pm on July 1, 2014 by Noah Rothman

This week, Democrats received something they desperately needed and have spent months struggling to manufacture: an issue that will get their base voters excited about turning out in November.

The Supreme Court’s decision in the Hobby Lobby case was not sweeping, rested on existing law, and cannot reasonably be construed as an example of judicial activism. That is not stopping the usual suspects from declaring it a step towards theocracy and the legalization of discrimination against women.

“This isn’t a win for religious liberty,” The New Republic’s Brian Beutler wrote, “it’s an affirmation of privilege for advocates of conservative sexual morality.”

“Yesterday, we saw five old conservative men tell women that discrimination against women is not discrimination at all, it’s just religious freedom,” Mic.com Senior Editor Elizabeth Plank told MSNBC. “Now we have more old, conservative men telling women – the 27 million women who’ve already benefited from this birth control mandate – that this might just go away.”

MSNBC.com’s Irin Carmon offered the best synopsis of how the Hobby Lobby decision fits into the grand Democratic strategy aimed at energizing liberal women: “The context of this is an all-out assault on access to contraception and access to other reproductive health care services.”

And Democrats are not letting this godsend of an opportunity pass them by.

“The Supreme Court ruled today that some bosses can now withhold contraceptive care from their employees’ health care coverage based on their own religious views that their employees may not even share,” White House Press Sec. Josh Earnest said in a statement rife with sins of omission.

“Can’t believe we live in a world where we’d even consider letting big corps deny women access to basic care based on vague moral objections,” wrote an outraged Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA)

“[The] Supreme Court took an outrageous step against the rights of America’s women,” Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) echoed.

“This is the reason women need to vote in the midterm elections,” Rep. Gwen Moore (D-WI) added. “In order to protect their health.”

Many Republicans and conservatives will dismiss these hyperbolic, logically deficient, and morally vacuous statements offhand. They will see them as baseless, cynical, overwrought, and unworthy of the precious breath that would be expended in refuting them. And in a perfect world, they would be right.

But it is not a perfect world, and it does not take much effort to find examples that support this axiom.

In January, The Federalist’s Daniel Payne fumed over U.S. News and World Report journalist Susan Milligan equating Mike Huckabee’s infamous “uncle sugar” comment with rampant, legally protected gang rape in India. “That sort of thing doesn’t happen here. But similar attitudes are on display, albeit in a tamer way,” she wrote in reference to Huckabee.

Yet drawing a parallel between the India gang-rape and Mike Huckabee’s statements is entirely incomprehensible, and indicative not only of a journalist’s poor analytical skills but, as well, how successful the “narrative” of the War on Women has been. It has been a stunning success, one of which it is difficult to find a corollary, and one that has been wholly bolstered by the current legal dust-up over the birth control mandate.

Payne is correct to call the Democratic strategy of stoking a sense of victimhood among women a success, though some conservatives disagree.

In a compelling bit of analysis in The Wall Street Journal in April, conservative radio host Michael Medved argued that the War on Women was an electoral failure. Based on his parsing of the 2012 exit polling, Medved noted that Mitt Romney won white and married women, and that Obama’s edge came from minority voters of both gender. He insists that the GOP should be focused on appealing to minority voters rather than single women.

That may be true in a presidential election and the GOP should be reaching out to all voters of every demographic. Polling this year, however, indicates that women may end up being central to Democratic efforts to retain control of the Senate.

Via NBC News:

Turning from the White House and Congress to yesterday’s big Hobby Lobby decision at the Supreme Court, we observed that Democratic candidates seemed more excited to talk about the Hobby Lobby case than immigration. Of course, one of main reasons is that the Latino vote will only be a factor in one Senate contest THIS November: Colorado’s. But women — whether they live in Arkansas, Iowa, Michigan, or Oregon — are going to be the key voting bloc this year, and Democrats see the Hobby Lobby case and contraception in general as wedge issues with female voters. Indeed, back in our March 2014 NBC/WSJ poll, 48% of men said that employers should be able to be exempt from covering birth control on religious grounds, while 46% of them said they should NOT be exempt. By comparison, nearly six-in-10 women — 59% — said employers should NOT be exempt, versus 35% who said they should. Overall in that NBC/WSJ poll, 53% of all respondents said employers should not be exempt, and 41% said they should be exempt.

Republicans stand to lose more than they will gain by being casted, however unfairly, as the party opposed to common contraceptives. A few solidly conservative lawmakers know good politics when they see it and have begun openly supporting loosened restrictions on access to non-emergency contraceptive medication. Louisiana’s Republican Gov. Bobby Jindal and Colorado Senate candidate and Rep. Cory Gardner (R-CO) are already supportive of a measure which would allow for over-the-counter access to oral contraceptives.

“Making oral contraceptives available over the counter would also be safe, according to the American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists,” the Washington Examiner’s Philip Klein wrote. “Philosophically, it’s consistent with limited government principles. It removes unnecessary government regulations and increases choice. It doesn’t impose new burdens on businesses or religious institutions, nor does it require an increase in government health care spending.”

The argument against combating the War on Women narrative with proactive and empathetic approach to the issues young suburban and exurban women regard as critical is a bit like hoping that conspicuous lump you just noticed will simply go away. Many Republicans feel even acknowledging these attacks on their party as being wholly opposed to family planning lends them undeserved legitimacy. Still others believe the party would be better off not appealing to a voting bloc for whom access to taxpayer-funded contraceptives is of primary importance.

That is a small-tent strategy. Like it or not, many young women believe that Republicans are hostile to their wellbeing, and no one is willing to listen to you if they think you don’t care about what is important to them or look down on their life choices. If there is one lesson from the Obama years that the GOP must internalize, it is that the party’s core coalition is not large enough to win the presidency. A double-digit gender gap in favor of Democrats will almost always deliver the White House. Party building is a project for the off years. If the GOP waits for 2016 to appeal to nontraditional GOP voters, it will already be too late.

A conflict of necessity rather than one of choice, the GOP must mount a counteroffensive in the War on Women. Unfounded as those attacks on the party may be, they will fire up a deeply dispirited Democratic base and may rescue Obama’s imperiled second term.

Young, single women are too often willing to assume the worst of Republicans. It is incumbent on the GOP to give them a reason to rethink that position.


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Ned Pepper on July 1, 2014 at 3:46 PM

Come celebrate with us on Election Night, Zippy.

Adjoran on July 1, 2014 at 3:52 PM

There is no shortage of Todd Akins, Richard Mourdocks in GOP.

NAME ONE that is running THIS YEAR. Or STFU.

You say discipline? GOP men can’t help it.

Remember this?

Karen Hughes, Former Bush Adviser: If Another Republican Man Talks Rape, I’ll ‘Cut Out His Tongue’

When your party’s own women know GOP men have launched war on women, you know it is bad.

Ned Pepper on July 1, 2014 at 3:46 PM

Rape =/= contraception.

As Del Dolemonte would say, you get a

F.

BTW, Erick Erickson was making a joke, I am not a fan of him at all but even I could see that. Only stupid humorless liberals actually take him seriously.

rockmom on July 1, 2014 at 3:53 PM

Ned Pepper on July 1, 2014 at 3:46 PM

How is anything you listed a “war on women”?

darwin on July 1, 2014 at 3:50 PM

darwin on July 1, 2014 at 3:56 PM

darwin on July 1, 2014 at 3:56 PM

I’m not worried at all if Todd Akin is the best he’s got.

rockmom on July 1, 2014 at 3:59 PM

I guess these welfare whores never heard of using an asprin as a contraceptive.

Put one between your knees and hold it there all night, or until all danger of lasciviousness has passed.

Diluculo on July 1, 2014 at 4:02 PM

This thread is a joke. Look at the most important factors facing both men and women and I can assure you the contraceptives aren’t even in the top ten. Women are far more concerned with the economy and jobs than anything else and that’s why dems are toast in Nov.

Ta111 on July 1, 2014 at 4:02 PM

rockmom on July 1, 2014 at 3:39 PM

Good post.

Noah is right, the liberals consciously set out to manufacture a new culture war around contraception, and they have succeeded and they are winning it.

The thing is, the entire liberal ‘war’ is entirely constructed on little more than another ‘Big Lie’. Very very few liberals have honestly described the HL decision or its real impact. And this is a ‘Big Lie’ that is specifically targeted at the LIV and moronic twits like Sandra Fluke who are already either ideologically predisposed to vote for expanding fascism or are seduced entirely by the concept of getting someone else to pay for something they want.

I’m not sure how you play offense in this war.

This is the key statement. The simple approach, when confronted by a ‘Big Lie’ is to expose it as the ‘Big Lie’ it is. But that requires a desire to speak out and actually confront the mendacious and ethically challenged media which is complicit in the telling of the ‘Big Lie’. Too few of the GOP seem willing to step up and do that – and that’s, to me, one of the core problems of the GOP. Too many either want to ‘go along to get along’ or avoid articulating values that appeal to all – not some special interest or victimization group.

Instead they prefer to wait until people ‘get smart’ and start to see through the long list of ‘Big Lies’. It’s time to stop reacting, being defensive, and start initiating and articulating a compelling message around smaller government, liberty, and why (using the current Admin as evidence) government isn’t the solution for every problem.

Athos on July 1, 2014 at 4:03 PM

I’m not worried at all if Todd Akin is the best he’s got.

rockmom on July 1, 2014 at 3:59 PM

LOL! Claire MacCaskill thanks Todd Akin and Missouri GOP voters again. She had no business to win that senate race.

Ned Pepper on July 1, 2014 at 4:03 PM

I guess these welfare whores never heard of using an asprin as a contraceptive.

Put one between your knees and hold it there all night, or until all danger of lasciviousness has passed.

Diluculo on July 1, 2014 at 4:02 PM

LOL!! Comment of the day!!

I forgot that one. That aspirin trick was recommended by Rick Santorum’s billionaire Sugar Daddy.

Ned Pepper on July 1, 2014 at 4:05 PM

The republicans only need to add ONE little word to every discussion regarding contraceptives.

That simple little word is …

RECREATIONAL!

This one word clarifies the entire debate. Yet, somehow, I have NEVER heard it used even ONE time in any of the discussions. I can understand the liberals putting that defining word on the shelf, but I cannot understand why ANY Republican would not use it constantly when discussing government involvement!!

Freddy on July 1, 2014 at 4:07 PM

LOL! Claire MacCaskill thanks Todd Akin and Missouri GOP voters again. She had no business to win that senate race.

Ned Pepper on July 1, 2014 at 4:03 PM

Do you own a calendar? It’s 2014. Akin’s not on the ballot this year. Still waiting for you to name a candidate running THIS YEAR who is “agitating for additional restrictions” on contraception.

Enjoy watching Mitch McConnell being sworn in as Majority Leader in January.

rockmom on July 1, 2014 at 4:08 PM

Our republican ‘leaders’ lack any spines, so the war is probably already lost.

zoyclem on July 1, 2014 at 4:09 PM

Instead they prefer to wait until people ‘get smart’ and start to see through the long list of ‘Big Lies’. It’s time to stop reacting, being defensive, and start initiating and articulating a compelling message around smaller government, liberty, and why (using the current Admin as evidence) government isn’t the solution for every problem.

Athos on July 1, 2014 at 4:03 PM

I know this argument has a lot of appeal, but we’re not losing this war because we just aren’t offering a compelling message around smaller government.

There isn’t such a message for young single women. It’s like offering a plaid raincoat to a guy asking for water.

rockmom on July 1, 2014 at 4:11 PM

RECREATIONAL!

Indeed that is the word. Human Beings enjoy sex. They want to have as much sex as they can..at least normal human beings do. And they don’t want babies every single time they want to have sex.

So brave GOP should tell people to stop having sex because they don’t want insurance companies to cover contraception. That is the winning platform. GOP – stop having recreational sex!! We have a winner!!

Ned Pepper on July 1, 2014 at 4:11 PM

The only fight the GOP is interested in is with the TEA Party.

ConstantineXI on July 1, 2014 at 2:04 PM

You got that right.

cat_owner on July 1, 2014 at 4:16 PM

Fox News: Hillary is just going after the ‘Beyoncé Voters’ who want free birth control

It’s hard to tell here who Fox News hates more: Hillary Clinton, Beyonce or single women. Hell, who’s kidding who? It’s all of the above, with a not-so subtle slam on black single women.

Fox New host Jessie Waters: “Hillary Clinton needs the single ladies vote. I call them ‘The Beyoncé Voters’—the single ladies. Obama won single ladies by 76% last time, and made up about a quarter of the electorate. They depend on government because they’re not depending on their husbands. They need contraception, health care, and they love to talk about equal pay.”

What are they going to do with equal pay, silly sluts, if they don’t have a man around to tell them how to spend it? And what, they need health care? Get married, then maybe you can have health care. But not contraception, apparently. Because if you have a husband to depend on you don’t need birth control.
Thank you, Fox News, for making the Republican argument so blatantly clear.

Ned Pepper on July 1, 2014 at 4:17 PM

Instead they prefer to wait until people ‘get smart’ and start to see through the long list of ‘Big Lies’. It’s time to stop reacting, being defensive, and start initiating and articulating a compelling message around smaller government, liberty, and why (using the current Admin as evidence) government isn’t the solution for every problem.

Athos on July 1, 2014 at 4:03 PM

This is so very true, but who is going to do it? Aside from Ted Cruz and maybe a handful of others, most Rs are anything but conservative.

cat_owner on July 1, 2014 at 4:20 PM

Indeed that is the word. Human Beings enjoy sex. They want to have as much sex as they can..at least normal human beings do. And they don’t want babies every single time they want to have sex.

So brave GOP should tell people to stop having sex because they don’t want insurance companies to cover contraception. That is the winning platform. GOP – stop having recreational sex!! We have a winner!!

Ned Pepper on July 1, 2014 at 4:11 PM

Just what we need, another man telling us how women think.

rockmom on July 1, 2014 at 4:20 PM

What are they going to do with equal pay, silly sluts, if they don’t have a man around to tell them how to spend it? And what, they need health care? Get married, then maybe you can have health care. But not contraception, apparently. Because if you have a husband to depend on you don’t need birth control.
Thank you, Fox News, for making the Republican argument so blatantly clear.

Ned Pepper on July 1, 2014 at 4:17 PM

You need better talking points, clown.

Fox News =/= GOP

Another F.

rockmom on July 1, 2014 at 4:22 PM

The latest NBC/Wall Street Journal poll

Dick Starkey on July 1, 2014 at 3:26 PM

How was your show in Cleveland? I hear Rundgren has been on fire this tour.

Hate to tell you this, Billy Shears, but the NBC/Wall Street Journal “poll” has been regularly busted in the past for oversampling Democrats from anywhere between 12% to as much as 19%.

F-

Del Dolemonte on July 1, 2014 at 4:22 PM

Del Dolemonte on July 1, 2014 at 4:22 PM

Still unskewing polls, Chump?? Is Romney still going to win? LOL!!

Poll is skewed is all you got? GOP has been losing women vote by double digits in the last two presidential elections. Are those actual election results skewed too?

Ned Pepper on July 1, 2014 at 4:25 PM

OT: Happy Canada Day to all my fellow bloggers north of the border.

cableguy615 on July 1, 2014 at 4:27 PM

Indeed tha

t is the word. Human Beings enjoy sex. They want to have as much sex as they can..at least normal human beings do. And they don’t want babies every single time they want to have sex.

So brave GOP should tell people to stop having sex because they don’t want insurance companies to cover contraception. That is the winning platform. GOP – stop having recreational sex!! We have a winner!!

Ned Pepper on July 1, 2014 at 4:11 PM

First off, I don’t want to “have as much sex as I can,” and I’m a pretty normal guy. My parents didn’t use artificial contraception, and they didn’t have babies every single time they had sex.

Also, since you keep mentioning Akin, there was a woman running for Congress who had the same position on abortion as Akin — except she didn’t express it like a complete idiot, and she won her race easily.

bmmg39 on July 1, 2014 at 4:27 PM

It’s hard to tell here who Fox News hates more: Hillary Clinton, Beyonce or single women.

Dick Starkey on July 1, 2014 at 4:17 PM

1. What qualified Hillary to be the Junior US Senator from New York?

2. If Faux News hates single women, why do so many of them work there on-air?

3. Did you pay Joan McCarter from the Daily Kos a royalty fee for stealing her sentence, word for word?

Daily Kos, July 1, 2014, 3:15 PM EDT:

Fox News: Hillary is just going after the ‘Beyoncé Voters’ who want free birth control

It’s hard to tell here who Fox News hates more: Hillary Clinton, Beyonce or single women.

You’re an unusually poor plagiarist, Cultist!

F-

Del Dolemonte on July 1, 2014 at 4:29 PM

Del Dolemonte on July 1, 2014 at 4:22 PM

Still unskewing polls, Chump?

Dick Starkey on July 1, 2014 at 4:25 PM

Find several other polls that mirror the one you cite, and we’ll stop laughing at you.

Just curious: Why would NBC/WSJ have to skew their polling samples to begin with? Take your time.

Del Dolemonte on July 1, 2014 at 4:31 PM

I guess these welfare whores never heard of using an asprin as a contraceptive.
Put one between your knees and hold it there all night, or until all danger of lasciviousness has passed.
Diluculo on July 1, 2014 at 4:02 PM

There is a huge disconnect here, folks, if you believe that only “welfare whores” use contraceptives. Among women of childbearing age (15-44) who have ever had sexual intercourse (whether single, married, divorced, or widowed), 99% have used contraceptives at some point in the past and over 60% are current users. These women are not all promiscuous and are certainly not all whores. They are your friends and neighbors, wives and mothers and are no doubt offended when you refer to them in this manner. Even when they age out of the need or simply decide to stop using contraception, like when they are trying to conceive, they don’t think that they are/were sluts. If Republicans ever hope to narrow the gender gap, this ridiculous and insulting language must stop.

cam2 on July 1, 2014 at 4:38 PM

GOP has been losing women vote by double digits in the last two presidential elections. Are those actual election results skewed too?

Ned Pepper on July 1, 2014 at 4:25 PM

That’s attributable of course to the compliant media which broadcasts the left’s propaganda because there is no war on women … don’t you think?

darwin on July 1, 2014 at 4:41 PM

I want Ned to buy me stuff. If he doesn’t, he’s obviously a hateful bigot and a religious whackjob.

CurtZHP on July 1, 2014 at 4:42 PM

There is a huge disconnect here, folks, if you believe that only “welfare whores” use contraceptives.

cam2 on July 1, 2014 at 4:38 PM

Welfare whores demand someone else pay for their behavior.

Stop inviting us into your bedroom.

sharrukin on July 1, 2014 at 4:43 PM

I wonder if he knows his cover’s been blown.

CurtZHP on July 1, 2014 at 4:43 PM

What are they going to do with equal pay

Ned Pepper on July 1, 2014 at 4:17 PM

Can you explain exactly what you mean by equal pay and how it might differ from the Equal Pay Act of 1965?

darwin on July 1, 2014 at 4:43 PM

Welfare whores demand someone else pay for their behavior.

sharrukin on July 1, 2014 at 4:43 PM

We all pay for each others behavior, whether it is an obese diabetic, a smoker with lung problems or heart disease, childless couples paying for immunizations for other families’ kids, etc. That is the way insurance works.

cam2 on July 1, 2014 at 4:58 PM

cam2 on July 1, 2014 at 4:38 PM

Thanks for your concern for Republicans.

slickwillie2001 on July 1, 2014 at 4:58 PM

A conflict of necessity rather than one of choice, the GOP must mount a counteroffensive in the War on Women.

Yes, by all means, let’s do trench warfare ala WWI on a field of the opponent’s choosing.

Forget pandering to women, minorities, and every other interest group and focus on the political message all Americans can agree on: building jobs and fixing the economy. All else is a distraction. This is our blitzkrieg.

StargazerA5 on July 1, 2014 at 5:01 PM

We all pay for each others behavior, whether it is an obese diabetic, a smoker with lung problems or heart disease, childless couples paying for immunizations for other families’ kids, etc. That is the way insurance works.

cam2 on July 1, 2014 at 4:58 PM

Sex isn’t a medical problem.

darwin on July 1, 2014 at 5:02 PM

I want Ned to buy me stuff. If he doesn’t, he’s obviously a hateful bigot and a religious whackjob.

CurtZHP on July 1, 2014 at 4:42 PM

I doubt Skippy will be back to this thread-after all, being exposed for cutting and pasting something from Daily Kos only an hour after it’s been posted there speaks volumes about his alleged “intelligence”.

Del Dolemonte on July 1, 2014 at 5:05 PM

There is a huge disconnect here, folks, if you believe that only “welfare whores” use contraceptives. Among women of childbearing age (15-44) who have ever had sexual intercourse (whether single, married, divorced, or widowed), 99% have used contraceptives at some point in the past and over 60% are current users. These women are not all promiscuous and are certainly not all whores. They are your friends and neighbors, wives and mothers and are no doubt offended when you refer to them in this manner. Even when they age out of the need or simply decide to stop using contraception, like when they are trying to conceive, they don’t think that they are/were sluts. If Republicans ever hope to narrow the gender gap, this ridiculous and insulting language must stop.

cam2 on July 1, 2014 at 4:38 PM

I believe the 99% number is a bit high. I also believe that fewer couples would use them if they knew about natural family planning (which is not the “rhythm method”), that it’s about 99.3% effective, and doesn’t have any of the side effects that I’ve seen have an adverse effect on women’s health.

bmmg39 on July 1, 2014 at 5:08 PM

GOP has been losing women vote by double digits in the last two presidential elections. Are those actual election results skewed too?

Ned Pepper on July 1, 2014 at 4:25 PM

That’s attributable of course to the compliant media which broadcasts the left’s propaganda because there is no war on women … don’t you think?

darwin on July 1, 2014 at 4:41 PM

Don’t confuse the Unit with Facts.

Of course, it’s inconvenient for Leftists to admit another fact about those last 2 elections-the Democrats lost the college graduate vote, while greatly increasing their share of the high school dropout vote.

Del Dolemonte on July 1, 2014 at 5:08 PM

I’m not sure how you play offense in this war.

Fight fire with fire.

When Democrats allow the economy to rot on the vine, burying entrepreneurs in high taxes and regulation red tape, and does nothing other than cultivate conditions that hinders business from creating jobs for women and the men in their lives, that is the war against women.

When wages remain stagnant and aren’t even keeping pace with inflation, that is the true war against poor and middle-class women.

When Democrats allow the national debt to remain out-of control and are content to continue to diminish the chances of future generations being able to achieve the American dream, they are waging a war against what women want for their children.

When Democrats take women’s health insurance options away by declaring certain insurance policies “substandard,” then demand that they pay increased premiums, deductibles and co-pays, with the only alternative being no insurance and a hefty fine, they are waging a war against women.

When Democrats scheme to distract women with some phoney “war” instead of addressing the important issues of our time, they trivialize and patronize women.

The GOP is 50% women and Republican women want the same things men want…independence, security and the opportunity to prosper.

So how exactly have 6 years of Democrat policies made women better off?

lynncgb on July 1, 2014 at 5:10 PM

Man, the new troll/socks aren’t any smarter than the old troll/socks, are they?

Midas on July 1, 2014 at 5:11 PM

There is a huge disconnect here, folks, if you believe that only “welfare whores” use contraceptives. Among women of childbearing age (15-44) who have ever had sexual intercourse (whether single, married, divorced, or widowed), 99% have used contraceptives at some point in the past and over 60% are current users. These women are not all promiscuous and are certainly not all whores. They are your friends and neighbors, wives and mothers and are no doubt offended when you refer to them in this manner. Even when they age out of the need or simply decide to stop using contraception, like when they are trying to conceive, they don’t think that they are/were sluts. If Republicans ever hope to narrow the gender gap, this ridiculous and insulting language must stop.

cam2 on July 1, 2014 at 4:38 PM

I confess I haven’t read every comment here yet, so indulge me, please – who has suggested this? Your entire comment appears to be nothing more than an assembly of straw women, sitting on a straw bench, in a straw park, surrounded by a straw fence.

Midas on July 1, 2014 at 5:13 PM

Sex isn’t a medical problem.
darwin on July 1, 2014 at 5:02 PM

Nor are overeating or smoking. Nevertheless, we pay for the consequences of those behaviors.

cam2 on July 1, 2014 at 5:14 PM

Nor are overeating or smoking. Nevertheless, we pay for the consequences of those behaviors.

cam2 on July 1, 2014 at 5:14 PM

We also pay for the consequences of sex … venereal disease and AIDS.

Insurance doesn’t buy food or cigarettes, nor should it pay for birth control.

darwin on July 1, 2014 at 5:23 PM

Midas on July 1, 2014 at 5:13 PM

The commenter I was quoting.

cam2 on July 1, 2014 at 5:24 PM

Nor are overeating or smoking. Nevertheless, we pay for the consequences of those behaviors.

cam2 on July 1, 2014 at 5:14 PM

Perhaps – but we don’t pay for their food or cigarettes or alcohol or pot – well, except for the welfare crowd.
So, it looks like we’re back to the “welfare whore” label…

dentarthurdent on July 1, 2014 at 5:25 PM

Del Dolemonte on July 1, 2014 at 4:29 PM

Ned stole more than just that one sentence you highlighted. The entire post was a copy/paste from that Daily Kos loon.

Gator Country on July 1, 2014 at 5:25 PM

There is a huge disconnect here, folks,
cam2 on July 1, 2014 at 4:38 PM

And, of course, there IS a huge disconnect here – since like all the other libtards, you are ignoring the fact that the Hobby Lobby case was only about 4 abortion drugs they object to – and NOT about the 16 other contraceptives they are willing to cover.

Why do you libtards have to sidestep the facts and lie about the case to push your agenda?

dentarthurdent on July 1, 2014 at 5:30 PM

Insurance doesn’t buy food or cigarettes, nor should it pay for birth control.
darwin on July 1, 2014 at 5:23 PM

Insurance pays for prescription medication to address undesirable consequences of ingesting food and tobacco and should pay (and until now almost universally HAS paid) for prescription medications to avoid unwanted pregnancies from sexual intercourse.

cam2 on July 1, 2014 at 5:32 PM

Ta111 on July 1, 2014 at 4:02 PM

I think we’d have greater chances of Dems being toast if Repubs address women on broader such as the economy issues rather than trying to compete with Dems in pandering to women on gender-related issues. But Repubs seem determine to cut their own throats on this one.

lineholder on July 1, 2014 at 5:36 PM

“This isn’t a win for religious liberty,” The New Republic’s Brian Beutler wrote, “it’s an affirmation of privilege for advocates of conservative sexual morality.”

Real religious liberty couldn’t possibly have anything to do with conservatives, sex, or morality (cf. comment above on the foundation of the RFRA by Resist We Much).
Notice how neatly the NR completely ignores the actual court holding, of course.

AesopFan on July 1, 2014 at 5:36 PM

Insurance pays for prescription medication to address undesirable consequences of ingesting food and tobacco and should pay (and until now almost universally HAS paid) for prescription medications to avoid unwanted pregnancies from sexual intercourse.

cam2 on July 1, 2014 at 5:32 PM

And you continue to lie about the case – typical of libtards.
Hobby Lobby covers 16 contraceptives that help “to avoid unwanted pregnancies”. They only objected to 4 abortion drugs.
Why is your whole argument based on a lie?

dentarthurdent on July 1, 2014 at 5:38 PM

you are ignoring the fact that the Hobby Lobby case was only about 4 abortion drugs they object to – and NOT about the 16 other contraceptives they are willing to cover.
Why do you libtards have to sidestep the facts and lie about the case to push your agenda?
dentarthurdent on July 1, 2014 at 5:30 PM

The case was limited to the 4 things mentioned because that is all the particular plaintiff had complained about. The Court’s reasoning, however, is equally applicable in cases in which the plaintiff is against all forms of contraception, as Hobby Lobby’s lawyer admitted when questioned by Justice Ginsberg at oral argument.

cam2 on July 1, 2014 at 5:39 PM

Del Dolemonte on July 1, 2014 at 4:29 PM

Ned stole more than just that one sentence you highlighted. The entire post was a copy/paste from that Daily Kos loon.

Gator Country on July 1, 2014 at 5:25 PM

Pathetic.

Del Dolemonte on July 1, 2014 at 5:41 PM

cam2 on July 1, 2014 at 5:32 PM

And you continue to lie about the case – typical of libtards.
Hobby Lobby covers 16 contraceptives that help “to avoid unwanted pregnancies”. They only objected to 4 abortion drugs.
Why is your whole argument based on a lie?

dentarthurdent on July 1, 2014 at 5:38 PM

Because their point/position has no merit on it’s own – the lie is required.

Midas on July 1, 2014 at 5:41 PM

Del Dolemonte on July 1, 2014 at 4:29 PM

Ned stole more than just that one sentence you highlighted. The entire post was a copy/paste from that Daily Kos loon.

Gator Country on July 1, 2014 at 5:25 PM

Perhaps Ned *is* that loon.

Midas on July 1, 2014 at 5:42 PM

The case was limited to the 4 things mentioned because that is all the particular plaintiff had complained about. The Court’s reasoning, however, is equally applicable in cases in which the plaintiff is against all forms of contraception, as Hobby Lobby’s lawyer admitted when questioned by Justice Ginsberg at oral argument.

cam2 on July 1, 2014 at 5:39 PM

But that’s not what the case was about – so you’re lying about it.
So what if it MAY be applicable to other cases which don’t yet exist?
Regardless, the impact is only to employees of a company that does not want to pay for certain things. If you don’t take a job with one of those companies, it has no impact to you.

dentarthurdent on July 1, 2014 at 5:43 PM

The commenter I was quoting.

cam2 on July 1, 2014 at 5:24 PM

The commenter you were quoting didn’t say “only welfare whores use contraceptives” – you said that, along with a host of other bullshit arguments no one is making, yet you attribute to conservatives.

Midas on July 1, 2014 at 5:45 PM

Del Dolemonte on July 1, 2014 at 4:29 PM

Ned stole more than just that one sentence you highlighted. The entire post was a copy/paste from that Daily Kos loon.

Gator Country on July 1, 2014 at 5:25 PM

Perhaps Ned *is* that loon.

Midas on July 1, 2014 at 5:42 PM

Either that or Ned lives at Daily KAOS and just wanders in here from time to time.

Del Dolemonte on July 1, 2014 at 5:57 PM

Left-wing: “Look everyone! They’re attacking our right to have sex again(even though they really aren’t)! Let’s rally the troops and fight, fight, FIGHT!!”

The left wingers really have some important priorities, don’t they?!

Even though it would be easier on my mind to just think like the left-wing does instead of having to read their inane ramblings and wonder how in the **** anyone could think like they do, getting offended by the most ridiculous things, and praising the most immoral things, I am REALLY glad I am not that dumb.

Sterling Holobyte on July 1, 2014 at 6:04 PM

The GOP is part of the problem

Schadenfreude on July 1, 2014 at 6:29 PM

(1) There is a huge disconnect here, folks, if you believe that only “welfare whores” use contraceptives.(2) Among women of childbearing age (15-44) who have ever had sexual intercourse (whether single, married, divorced, or widowed), 99% have used contraceptives at some point in the past and over 60% are current users. (3) These women are not all promiscuous and are certainly not all whores. (4) They are your friends and neighbors, wives and mothers and (5) are no doubt offended when you refer to them in this manner. Even when they age out of the need or simply decide to stop using contraception, like when they are trying to conceive, (6) they don’t think that they are/were sluts. (7)If Republicans ever hope to narrow the gender gap, this ridiculous and insulting language must stop.

cam2 on July 1, 2014 at 4:38 PM

(numbering added)

Interesting discussion, but I think there are separable matters warranting consideration.
(1) Diluculo on July 1, 2014 at 4:02 PM did use the term “welfare whores”, but that has been common at HA since the Sandra Fluke controversy, and especially as a reference to the “Julia” meme instigated by the Democrats (that is, it is usually a satirical reference). I don’t remember cam2 from any other threads (may have missed comments, of course), so maybe the /sarc didn’t register.
IF that belief was commonly and truly held, there would be a huge disconnect; however, it is not. The media and Dems are the ones that have consistently attributed this position to all conservatives and Republicans, with more success than evidence.
(2) Source needed; however, these percentages can be stipulated as the actual numbers are irrelevant.
(3) Self-evidently true, but some of them are promiscuous and some are whores, and there is no particularly compelling reason why all of them shouldn’t pay for their own birth control and abortifacients.
– in regard to cam2′s comments about insurance, when risk-pools can be adequately assessed and premiums fixed accordingly, and when policies are tendered and accepted voluntarily then the arguments might hold; under Obamacare, where every inclusion and exemption is political, not so much.
(4) Some of them are; some of them aren’t.
(5) Of course they (including the promiscuous and the whores) are offended when anyone refers to them “in that manner”, but “you” doesn’t include me, just because the media & Dems have decided that must be my position, because I can’t possibly oppose the ACA mandate on any reasonable grounds. (/sarc off, just in case you didn’t get it).
(6) Certainly most of them (see 3 & 4) aren’t sluts just for using birth control, and I don’t recall any serious public personage claiming that they are (PS, you do remember that the HL case was about abortifacients, don’t you?). Maybe the p&w don’t think of themselves as sluts either, I don’t know of any poll on that question (FWIW, I don’t consider either culturally-deluded romantic teen-agers or involuntarily enslaved prostitutes to be sluts).
(7) Absolutely true, and I whole-heartedly recommend that any GOP / conservative politician or activist refrain from using inelegant and rude language to refer to anyone at all (with the exception of Bill Ayers and possibly a few others); however, what are you proposing to do to convince the Dems and media to stop attributing that position to people who don’t hold it?

Your entire comment appears to be nothing more than an assembly of straw women, sitting on a straw bench, in a straw park, surrounded by a straw fence.

Midas on July 1, 2014 at 5:13 PM

Even arguments extended in good faith can be made of straw; and even straw arguments can contain some elements of truth.
Yes, the Right shouldn’t give ready ammunition to the Left by using pejorative language indiscriminately.
BUT – there really is no way to fight on even ground with an enemy who simply lies.

AesopFan on July 1, 2014 at 6:40 PM

Ned Pepper on July 1, 2014 at 3:52 PM

Didn’t Rooster Cogburn end you?

portlandon on July 1, 2014 at 7:18 PM

I have to hand it to the democrats – they are masters at getting out their word.

In this case, it is false, false, false. What these leftist, Dem women refuse to grasp is that every time they ask the feds to “protect” them, to take care of them, they are giving up what they supposedly fought for in the 1970′s, equality with men.

Forcing organizations to pay for birth control pills (which are very, very cheap) says these women cannot be responsible for themselves and they are willing to turn over their lives to the feds. This is insanity and stupidity at their best/worst?

Women, stand up for what YOU believe is important – not some female who wants to turn over her life to the feds – review Julia, a masterful, control-the-woman piece of sexist, “you can’t do it yourself” political pablum at its best.

If you truly are a feminist, a woman who can make it on her own, you don’t need the feds to “protect” you – do it yourself. Only at that point will you be able to say you are equal to a man.

MN J on July 2, 2014 at 2:33 AM

……………………………………………………………………….
Payne is correct to call the Democratic
strategy of STOKING a sense of VICTIMHOOD
among WOMEN a success.
……………………………………………………………………….

Democratic Leader’s WAR on WOMEN
BILL CLINTON STYLE
…………………………………………………………………
Bill Clinton’s long history of sexual violence
against women:

Women have been charging Bill Clinton
with sexual assault since his days as
a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford 30 years ago.
…………………………………………………………………
http://albertpeia.com/oxfordassault.htm
…………………………………………………………………

Sexual misconduct allegations
against Bill Clinton

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_misconduct_allegations_against_Bill_Clinton
______________________________________

Blood Feud: The Clintons vs. The Obamas

http://nypost.com/2014/06/21/inside-the-jealous-feud-between-the-obamas-and-hildebeest-clintons/

______________________________________

BILL CLINTON’s WAR against Brookley Born
…………………………………………………………………

Brooksley Born is so BRAVE:
______________________________________________

Long before the Economic MELTDOWN, the story of
one WOMAN who tried to WARN about
the THREAT to the FINANCIAL System.

Before the TOXIC assets POISONED the Economy,
she WARNED of their DANGER.

And that made her the ENEMY of a very,
very large number of people.

She would fight an EPIC BATTLE with
one of the most POWERFUL men in Washington.

It got pretty NASTY pretty quickly.

A story from INSIDE the highest levels
of the Bill CLINTON administration.

They were all part of a VERY concerted effort
to SHUT HER UP and to SHUT HER DOWN.

And they did, in fact,

SHUT HER UP and SHUT HER DOWN.

_________________________________________

LEADERS of Bill CLINTON’s FINANCIAL Team:
Bob Rubin and Alan Greenspan and Larry Summers.

They beat up Brooksley Born and
kick her out from her job;
and they build up a FRANKENSTEIN Wall Street.

ECONOMIC CRASH & FINANCIAL CRISIS
of 2008 was inevitable.

______________________________________

WALL STREET build up a DOOMSDAY MACHINE
Turning GARBAGE into GOLD

http://upstart.bizjournals.com/news-markets/national-news/portfolio/2008/11/11/The-End-of-Wall-Streets-Boom.html?page=all

The Clinton-era ROOTS of the FINANCIAL CRISIS

http://www.aei.org/article/economics/the-clinton-era-roots-of-the-financial-crisis/

The inside story of the global FINANCIAL CRISIS.

http://www.PBS.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/money-power-wall-street

Alan Greenspan, Brooksley Born, and The Warning.

http://www.PBS.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/warning/etc/script.html

______________________________________

Global HAWK on July 2, 2014 at 3:40 PM

Democrats ought to come clean and stop trying to argue that it’s a “War against Women” and just say outright that it’s a “War Against Democrat Women”. It’s not any truer, but at least they’d be more honest. Let’s face it, when was the last time they rallied around a conservative woman on ANY issue?

eclark1849 on July 2, 2014 at 8:20 PM

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