The left loses their minds over Hobby Lobby decision

posted at 12:41 pm on June 30, 2014 by Noah Rothman

I imagine the horrified shrieks that rose from the streets outside the Supreme Court on Monday as the decision in the Hobby Lobby case began to filter out into the crowd of liberal observers was reminiscent of those poor souls who watched helplessly as the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire claimed the lives of 146 young, female garment workers.

In fact, the similarities are eerie. It seems that liberal commentators have convinced themselves that, just as was the case in 1911, the courts and the country have deemed women to be of lesser value than their male counterparts. The distinction between these two eras, of course, is that while that argument could be supported in 1911, it exists only in the heads of progressives in 2014.

NBC News journalist Pete Williams, an accomplished reporter who is not prone to indulge in speculation, went out of his way to insist repeatedly that the Court’s decision in this case was a narrow one. He noted that the decision extends only to the specific religious objections a handful of employers raised about providing abortifacients (as opposed to contraceptives). Williams added that Justice Anthony Kennedy allowed in his concurring opinion that the federal government can pay for and provide that coverage if employers would not.

The Federalist published a variety of other observations about this ruling which indicate that it was narrowly tailored to this specific case. The Court ruled that Hobby Lobby and other employers could not simply drop health coverage in order to avoid mandates. This decision does not apply to other government mandates like those requiring employers cover vaccinations. Finally, if the will of the public in the form of an electoral mandate creates a groundswell of support for a government-funded program which provides access to abortifacients, then that would be perfectly constitutional.

Williams’ MSNBC colleagues nodded along and, when asked for their contribution, proceeded to display none of this NBC reporter’s caution.

“I think we’ve seen a real goal post-moving here,” MSNBC.com’s Irin Carmon said. “We may say it is a narrow ruling because Taco Bell and Wal-Mart can’t opt out, but it is still an enormous expansion of corporate rights and of the refusal from the laws that are passed to create benefits for everybody.”

“The larger doctrinal implication here is potentially significant,” MSNBC host Ari Melber agreed. “For the first time, the Court is going and taking the First Amendment rights that we’ve seen long established for certain corporate entities and extending them to the religious idea.”

“Just because it was only restricted to women’s health access doesn’t mean that it doesn’t create a devastating precedent which says that women’s health care should be treated differently,” Carmon added. She added that the Republican Party is the biggest beneficiary of today’s ruling. “So, the context of this is an all-out assault on access to contraception and access to other reproductive health care services.”

HotAir’s Karl has accumulated some of the best examples of liberal “schadenfreude,” as he’s dubbed it, in which the left utterly and intentionally misconstrues the scope of this ruling. Incidentally, their reaction also helps to service what appears to be a widely shared victimhood fantasy.

We’ve seen indications that the left believes this decision is a prelude to theocracy:

We’ve seen liberal journalists and commentators rending garments over the implications of this ruling which exist only in their own minds:

Even poor SCOTUS Blog, an organization which merely reports the news out of the Supreme Court, has endured an torrent of misdirected liberal outrage:

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Finally, and expectedly, we’ve seen liberal politicians stoking ire, generating enthusiasm, and soliciting donations:

And this, via John Podhoretz’s inbox:

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It is interesting that there seems to be more outrage over this decision from the left than there was when the Court struck down dated portions of the Voting Rights Act. Though that decision had much farther reaching legal and political implications, this is the issue that has captured the passions of the left.


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Yeah. Why don’t you conservative brownshirt thugs try to get people fired from their jobs because you don’t agree with their politics. It apparently worked for you and libfee.

jim56 on June 30, 2014 at 2:23 PM

Slave, provide proof, or shut up.

Schadenfreude on June 30, 2014 at 2:36 PM

libfreeordie on June 30, 2014 at 2:32 PM

So don’t take a job at Hobby Lobby.

dentarthurdent on June 30, 2014 at 2:36 PM

I have said many times that I post here for gags, stunts and shows.

libfreeordie on June 24, 2014 at 9:00 PM

non-nonpartisan on June 30, 2014 at 2:36 PM

libfreeordie on June 30, 2014 at 2:32 PM

All this crap from the leftists is smoke and mirrors, and bull crap:

The Green family has no moral objection to the use of 16 of 20 preventive contraceptives required in the mandate, and Hobby Lobby will continue its longstanding practice of covering these preventive contraceptives for its employees. However, the Green family cannot provide or pay for four potentially life-threatening drugs and devices. These drugs include Plan B and Ella, the so-called morning-after pill and the week-after pill. Covering these drugs and devices would violate their deeply held religious belief that life begins at the moment of conception, when an egg is fertilized.

http://www.becketfund.org/hobbylobby/

davidk on June 30, 2014 at 2:21 PM

davidk on June 30, 2014 at 2:37 PM

libfreeordie on June 30, 2014 at 2:32 PM

Corporate overlords, huh? What do you think your 401k invests in, small mom-n-pop grocers and Dollar Stores in Nowhereville, USA?

Your retirement fund is swimming in corporate overlordship, but you’ll spend the money when you get it anyway.

Bishop on June 30, 2014 at 2:37 PM

libfreeordie on June 30, 2014 at 2:35 PM

HL’s insurance covers 16 of 20 contraceptive drugs and effectively 90% of all contraceptive usage.

Next.

22044 on June 30, 2014 at 2:37 PM

And the other part of your argument that is so morally bankrupt is when you say things like “for birth control see aspirin between the knees.” Birth control helps women in a variety of ways, that has nothing to do with preventing pregnancy. My sister uses birth control because she has crippling cramps every month on her cycle if she doesn’t. I grew up in a household where I saw her incredible pain, and I feel like conservative men with female siblings must have seen that to. Given that birth control can provide women relief from that pain, isn’t that enough of a warrant for subsidizing them?
 
But here is where it gets sticky. I wonder, how many of you will have the stones, so to speak, to admit that you think women should go through that pain because it is the “curse of Eve.” Be honest.
 
libfreeordie on June 30, 2014 at 2:35 PM

 
Abortifacients helped your sister with menstrual cramps?

rogerb on June 30, 2014 at 2:38 PM

In future cases, the Hobby Lobbies will argue they have the right to exclude gay people from being employed because their religion considers those people (if practicing) to be sinners and they need to enforce religious-based beliefs at their companies.

jim56 on June 30, 2014 at 2:28 PM

I sincerely hope so. Because that would be freedom.

GWB on June 30, 2014 at 2:38 PM

Abortifacients helped your sister with menstrual cramps?

rogerb on June 30, 2014 at 2:38 PM

Indeed!

22044 on June 30, 2014 at 2:38 PM

When sixteen forms of birth control aren’t enough!

Cindy Munford on June 30, 2014 at 2:39 PM

So you (collectively) tracked down her/his IP address and sent it to someone at the college to try to get him/her fired? Good move brownshirts.

jim56 on June 30, 2014 at 2:35 PM

Notifying an employer of an alleged violation of their conduct is not Nazi-like.

For example, would you consider a whistle-blower to be a Nazi?

Now, please inform us of the violent attacks you wish to commit and then we will use your IP address accordingly.

Thank you.

sentinelrules on June 30, 2014 at 2:39 PM

Yeah. Why don’t you conservative brownshirt thugs try to get people fired from their jobs because you don’t agree with their politics. It apparently worked for you and libfee.

jim56 on June 30, 2014 at 2:23 PM

The folks at Mozilla would love to discuss this with you. You know, the guys who actually *behave* the way you leftist f*ckwits project on everyone else.

Midas on June 30, 2014 at 2:40 PM

libfreeordie on June 30, 2014 at 2:35 PM

So you completely missed, or are deliberately ignoring the part where Hobby Lobby IS willing to cover 16 other prescriptions that they consider to be preventive versus abortive, and do the other things you mentioned?

Which is it? Deliberate ignorance to twist the story, or just lack of reading comprehension?

dentarthurdent on June 30, 2014 at 2:40 PM

jim56 on June 30, 2014 at 2:23 PM

I seem to remember it was liberals like you that refused to hire us veterans when we came back or harassed us when we were id’d at work, but you have a convenient memory.

dogsoldier on June 30, 2014 at 2:40 PM

At least tell us what sort of accident you’re wishing on them.

Are we talking about a deadly traffic accident, or more like a mishap at the dry cleaners where they misplace a shirt?

Chuck Schick on June 30, 2014 at 2:20 PM

hahahaha well done

Zoe on June 30, 2014 at 2:41 PM

Here’s something interesting. Hobby Lobby claims it cannot supply contraceptives to employees because it violates their religious beliefs.

But Hobby Lobby’s 401k plan invests in funds that include contraception suppliers. When you think about it, what else is a growth industry given the ACA, but contraception. Here’s all the research on Hobby Lobby’s employment benefit plan:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2014/04/01/hobby-lobby-401k-discovered-to-be-investor-in-numerous-abortion-and-contraception-products-while-claiming-religious-objection/

http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1099360-savings-incentive-and-profit-sharing-plan-for.html

So every time a Hobby Lobby employee retires, they begin to live the rest of their days, in part, off of the death of unborn children. How do these devoted Christians explain that one?

Oh that’s right, they won’t have to. Because sycophants like yourself, who love nothing so much as to worship at the feet of corporate overlords, no matter their behavior, will find a way to claim that this isn’t massively hypocritical, that it doesn’t directly violate Christ’s prohibition on profiting on things that are in violation of your creed. You’ll find every which way to say “but don’t look at that.” Oh yeah, you’ll say “squirrel” or something. But every honest reader knows this shows how utterly faithless and unprincipled these people really are. You won, but your victory also exposes the complete hollow bullcrap of the evangelical movement. Congrats.

libfreeordie on June 30, 2014 at 2:32 PM

Ha ha ha.

That’s the best you’ve got?

And you lefties are a joke. We don’t worship corporations – we realize that liberty means that some people will make decisions we like and others won’t. Some corporations merit accolades and others do not. But you marxists think that there is only complete domination by government or corporations and you prefer government dole out property and “rights” and “freedoms” which is an argument so easily dismantled by reason and history that you fascists have to depend on an uninformed electorate to vote for it.

gwelf on June 30, 2014 at 2:41 PM

You need to think about the implications of this ruling. There’s the usual crud about how it’s narrow, doesn’t apply to yadda, yadda, yadda, but the effect is to recognize a private for profit close corporation’s right to practice religion. In future cases, the Hobby Lobbies will argue they have the right to exclude gay people from being employed because their religion considers those people (if practicing) to be sinners and they need to enforce religious-based beliefs at their companies.

jim56 on June 30, 2014 at 2:28 PM

Sweetie, I’ve thought and written about this subject for years. It amazes me. I’m a atheist and have no fear of Christians. You guys act like they are ISIS.

And, while I would disagree with an employer firing or declining to hire someone based upon his/her sexual orientation, such is not a protected category under Federal law. Many states do prohibit it.

Since you failed to respond to this post on the other thread, I direct you to it again:

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/06/30/open-thread-scotusocalypse-monday-with-hobby-lobby-harris-v-quinn/comment-page-10/#comment-8252824

Resist We Much on June 30, 2014 at 2:41 PM

We know you’re stupid. Why do you keep proving it. The investments are in mutual funds, not directly in those companies.

22044 on June 30, 2014 at 2:35 PM

I’m sorry what? Excuse me? Are you saying that in one instance, contraceptives are the tool to block the unborn from reaching life, and in the other instance they are “investments in a mutual fund.” How does that square with the absolutist character of Hobby Lobby’s purported religious beliefs. Remember, their argument is that they have the right to speculate that their employees use contraceptives as an abortificant, because if an employee does so, then they have subsidized a behavior that violates their religious beliefs.

What is it about a mutual fund that allows Hobby Lobby’s ownership to *not* speculate that their investments in mutual funds would contribute to the production of abortificants. That is what investment is. They offer money to facilitate supply and then get a return on their investment when the consumer purchases the item. So the people buying the items from the contraception producers are *not* violating Hobby Lobby’s beleifs–even as they profit on the sale–but supplying for their employees does?

Or is it about the amount of money? Are you saying there’s a certain amount of investment/profit/expenditure that violates religious beliefs, and they managed to avoid that? Seriously explain it to me. How can Hobby Lobby claim religious protection against contraception mandates and invest in contraception companies?

libfreeordie on June 30, 2014 at 2:41 PM

And the other part of your argument that is so morally bankrupt is when you say things like “for birth control see aspirin between the knees.” Birth control helps women in a variety of ways, that has nothing to do with preventing pregnancy. My sister uses birth control because she has crippling cramps every month on her cycle if she doesn’t. I grew up in a household where I saw her incredible pain, and I feel like conservative men with female siblings must have seen that to. Given that birth control can provide women relief from that pain, isn’t that enough of a warrant for subsidizing them?

But here is where it gets sticky. I wonder, how many of you will have the stones, so to speak, to admit that you think women should go through that pain because it is the “curse of Eve.” Be honest.

libfreeordie on June 30, 2014 at 2:35 PM

The type of “birth control” your sister needs is not the kind that HL refuses to supply.

They are not against birth control. they are opposed to abortion.

I know that makes no difference to you, but to claim that HL doesn’t provide birth control is a lie.

You don’t want to be a liar, do you?

davidk on June 30, 2014 at 2:41 PM

libfreeordie on June 30, 2014 at 2:32 PM

Obligatory

StubbornGreenBurros on June 30, 2014 at 2:42 PM

Given that birth control can provide women relief from that pain, isn’t that enough of a warrant for subsidizing them?

libfreeordie on June 30, 2014 at 2:35 PM

Do you know four national pharmacies provide that for $9 a month? Or is this too much for anyone to provide for their own comfort? Or does this need to be subsidized?

itsspideyman on June 30, 2014 at 2:42 PM

non-nonpartisan on June 30, 2014 at 2:36 PM

What all liberals say when they realize how stupid they sound…just an excuse for how foolish and ignorant they are.

No, the poster is as stupid and clueless as we all know them to be…

right2bright on June 30, 2014 at 2:42 PM

And the other part of your argument that is so morally bankrupt is when you say things like “for birth control see aspirin between the knees.” Birth control helps women in a variety of ways, that has nothing to do with preventing pregnancy. My sister uses birth control because she has crippling cramps every month on her cycle if she doesn’t. I grew up in a household where I saw her incredible pain, and I feel like conservative men with female siblings must have seen that to. Given that birth control can provide women relief from that pain, isn’t that enough of a warrant for subsidizing them?

But here is where it gets sticky. I wonder, how many of you will have the stones, so to speak, to admit that you think women should go through that pain because it is the “curse of Eve.” Be honest.

libfreeordie on June 30, 2014 at 2:35 PM

You’re such a parody at this point.

But it’s good to see you fully support fascism to make people adhere to your morals.

gwelf on June 30, 2014 at 2:43 PM

But here is where it gets sticky. I wonder, how many of you will have the stones, so to speak, to admit that you think women should go through that pain because it is the “curse of Eve.” Be honest.

libfreeordie on June 30, 2014 at 2:35 PM

Hahah…you psychopaths are truly Christian “obssessed”. Comes from being raised on Hollywood trash instead of real parents.

This is a typical tactic by you leftist children…find the 1% of 1% of reasons to justify your warped morals when we all know the reason for every belief you have is to get out of any responsibility from needing to get yourself off on a constant basis.

You use this same laughable tactic with abortion by throwing the rape scenario out there.

ClassicCon on June 30, 2014 at 2:43 PM

libfreeordie on June 30, 2014 at 2:32 PM

Except that Hobby Lobby never said that their employees can’t use contraceptives (in fact, the insurance plan covers 16 of the 20), just that certain ones would not be paid for as part of their employee health insurance.

Which somehow relates to their 401K plan…how, exactly?

Your side already got smacked down by the SCOTUS 19 years ago on this nonsense. It’s calling piling “inference upon inference.” IOW, since we can play six degrees of separation and somehow connect HL to contraception, their religious beliefs must be fraudulent.

Good Solid B-Plus on June 30, 2014 at 2:43 PM

fascistordie is doing a bang-up job of proving that indeed leftists are losing it over this decision.

It’s delicious and glorious.

gwelf on June 30, 2014 at 2:44 PM

libfreeordie on June 30, 2014 at 2:41 PM

Answer rogerb’s question about whether abortifacients helped your sister.

We’ll wait.

22044 on June 30, 2014 at 2:45 PM

Given that birth control can provide women relief from that pain, isn’t that enough of a warrant for subsidizing them?

A doctor’s diagnosis would go a long way in that regard.

What does Fluke need 400 taxpayer-funded condoms per month for, because she gets back pain?

Wait…maybe it’s the other way around. Whatever, you know what I’m saying.

Bishop on June 30, 2014 at 2:45 PM

Oh my, all the trolls are turning out to bleat and weep.

Delicious, salty tears of abject bitterness.

Weep on, trolls – I’m bottling this stuff, and in touch with the purchasing folks at Hobby Lobby to see if we can set up an end-cap and distribute this exquisite beverage.

Midas on June 30, 2014 at 2:45 PM

But here is where it gets sticky. I wonder, how many of you will have the stones, so to speak, to admit that you think women should go through that pain because it is the “curse of Eve.” Be honest.

libfreeordie on June 30, 2014 at 2:35 PM

Pretty sure most of the anti-science loons that support garbage like “natural pregnancy” are on your side of the aisle, Captain Chivalry.

Good Solid B-Plus on June 30, 2014 at 2:45 PM

I’m sorry what? Excuse me? Are you saying that in one instance, contraceptives are the tool to block the unborn from reaching life, and in the other instance they are “investments in a mutual fund.” How does that square with the absolutist character of Hobby Lobby’s purported religious beliefs. Remember, their argument is that they have the right to speculate that their employees use contraceptives as an abortificant, because if an employee does so, then they have subsidized a behavior that violates their religious beliefs.

libfreeordie on June 30, 2014 at 2:41 PM

In typical fashion you get most of your facts wrong.

gwelf on June 30, 2014 at 2:46 PM

libfreeordie on June 30, 2014 at 2:41 PM

Oh, and tell us why Elizabeth Warren is so great. She has a large net worth, lives in a large house, gets overpaid for her “work”, and underpays her assistants.

We’ll wait on that…as well.

22044 on June 30, 2014 at 2:46 PM

It’s hilarious that (D)s are pissed at Hobby Lobby and not the people who obviously poorly wrote and passed the law.

rogerb on June 30, 2014 at 2:46 PM

Remember, their argument is that they have the right to speculate that their employees use contraceptives as an abortificant, because if an employee does so, then they have subsidized a behavior that violates their religious beliefs.

libfreeordie on June 30, 2014 at 2:41 PM

No. they just don’t want to pay for it. It’s not the same as forcing them not to use it. You seem to think people don’t have agency unless someone is acting on their behalf, and there fore someone must be coerced to do so.

Goddamn, but you’re mendacious.

Buck Farky on June 30, 2014 at 2:47 PM

But here is where it gets sticky. I wonder, how many of you will have the stones, so to speak, to admit that you think women should go through that pain because it is the “curse of Eve.” Be honest.

libfreeordie on June 30, 2014 at 2:35 PM

None of us, and it were my sister, I would give her the $10 a month for her not to be in pain…what kind of sibling allows their sister, for just $10 a month to live in such pain?

How shameful and selfish of you…but then you are a liberal and expect everyone else to pay for your sisters suffering.

And most of us, btw, live with women and my wife of 40 years has never asked for the government to pay her $10 a month…or my sisters in law, or mother, or mother in law, or friends of ours.

You live in a very strange and selfish world…but then you are a liberal.

right2bright on June 30, 2014 at 2:47 PM

Given that birth control can provide women relief from that pain, isn’t that enough of a warrant for subsidizing them?

libfreeordie on June 30, 2014 at 2:35 PM

So that’s your litmus test? That it provides “relief from…pain”?

Good Solid B-Plus on June 30, 2014 at 2:47 PM

Here’s something interesting. Hobby Lobby claims it cannot supply contraceptives to employees because it violates their religious beliefs.

But Hobby Lobby’s 401k plan invests in funds that include contraception suppliers. When you think about it, what else is a growth industry given the ACA, but contraception. Here’s all the research on Hobby Lobby’s employment benefit plan:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2014/04/01/hobby-lobby-401k-discovered-to-be-investor-in-numerous-abortion-and-contraception-products-while-claiming-religious-objection/

http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1099360-savings-incentive-and-profit-sharing-plan-for.html

So every time a Hobby Lobby employee retires, they begin to live the rest of their days, in part, off of the death of unborn children. How do these devoted Christians explain that one?

Oh that’s right, they won’t have to. Because sycophants like yourself, who love nothing so much as to worship at the feet of corporate overlords, no matter their behavior, will find a way to claim that this isn’t massively hypocritical, that it doesn’t directly violate Christ’s prohibition on profiting on things that are in violation of your creed. You’ll find every which way to say “but don’t look at that.” Oh yeah, you’ll say “squirrel” or something. But every honest reader knows this shows how utterly faithless and unprincipled these people really are. You won, but your victory also exposes the complete hollow bullcrap of the evangelical movement. Congrats.

libfreeordie on June 30, 2014 at 2:32 PM

The HL has the right to be hypocrites on this. But remember the HL is under no obligation to pay higher-than-minimum wage, offer 401k plans or pay for their health insurance at all.

The Obama administration argued if they didn;t like the mandate, they could just pay the fine. They went to court because they still wanted to give their employees health insurance, as they did before Obamacare came along.

Which do you think the employees would take? Insurance that doesn’t cover contraceptives or no insurance at all.

Perhaps you should think of them as people instead of your personal football.

Chuck Schick on June 30, 2014 at 2:47 PM

You need to think about the implications of this ruling. There’s the usual crud about how it’s narrow, doesn’t apply to yadda, yadda, yadda, but the effect is to recognize a private for profit close corporation’s right to practice religion. In future cases, the Hobby Lobbies will argue they have the right to exclude gay people from being employed because their religion considers those people (if practicing) to be sinners and they need to enforce religious-based beliefs at their companies.

jim56 on June 30, 2014 at 2:28 PM

Yes, slave, we get it, and we rejoice, against you.

What the bigger corporations will do, to your dismay.

The board of directors/CEO of a ‘regular’ corporation, to the other owners/shareholders “you are all adopted! Welcome to the family”

Schadenfreude on June 30, 2014 at 2:48 PM

What all liberals say when they realize how stupid they sound…just an excuse for how foolish and ignorant they are.

No, the poster is as stupid and clueless as we all know them to be…

right2bright on June 30, 2014 at 2:42 PM

Of course he’s stupid and clueless. Not only that, he shows all the objective signs of being an insincere, malicious troll. But it’s even worse-he outright admits he’s a troll.

Why does anyone keep arguing with him and feeding him when it’s obvious he’s choosing to be disruptive? I don’t relate.

non-nonpartisan on June 30, 2014 at 2:49 PM

I thought liberals wanted the government out of the bedroom…so now they rule they are…and what do liberals do?

They whine about the government being out of the bedroom…

right2bright on June 30, 2014 at 2:49 PM

But here is where it gets sticky. I wonder, how many of you will have the stones, so to speak, to admit that you think women should go through that pain because it is the “curse of Eve.” Be honest.

libfreeordie on June 30, 2014 at 2:35 PM

For one, Hobby Lobby covers that, so your crocodile tears are sweet, if a bit unecessary.. Also, for some companies that are more strict than Hobbly Lobby, that would be a prescription that would most probably be covered.

Buck Farky on June 30, 2014 at 2:49 PM

Dear Lord liberals are stupid.

They really do think businesses exist to give people free sh!t.

They also think people are stupid and can’t do anything without the help of liberals, especially white liberals.

darwin on June 30, 2014 at 2:50 PM

libfreeordie on June 30, 2014 at 2:41 PM

Oh, and tell us why Elizabeth Warren is so great. She has a large net worth, lives in a large house, gets overpaid for her “work”, and underpays her assistants.

We’ll wait on that…as well.

22044 on June 30, 2014 at 2:46 PM

But it’s totally different when Krugman has his very large no-show salary at a university subsidized by poor students so he can opine once a year about income inequality.

It’s totally different when fascistordie himself makes a living off of the redistribution from poorer students to teach them unmarketable skills in “equality studies”.

gwelf on June 30, 2014 at 2:50 PM

Oh that’s right, they won’t have to. Because sycophants like yourself, who love nothing so much as to worship at the feet of corporate overlords, no matter their behavior, will find a way to claim that this isn’t massively hypocritical, that it doesn’t directly violate Christ’s prohibition on profiting on things that are in violation of your creed. You’ll find every which way to say “but don’t look at that.” Oh yeah, you’ll say “squirrel” or something. But every honest reader knows this shows how utterly faithless and unprincipled these people really are. You won, but your victory also exposes the complete hollow bullcrap of the evangelical movement. Congrats.

libfreeordie on June 30, 2014 at 2:32 PM

You should see where your university invests it’s endowment funds. You would resign in protest….if you weren’t a hypocrite. Girl, bye.

HumpBot Salvation on June 30, 2014 at 2:50 PM

jim56 on June 30, 2014 at 2:28 PM

Yeah, it’s narrowness and your reactions are truly baffling. Maybe you need to sue anyone and everyone who takes their sabbath off. Geez, you would think Roe v. Wade had been overturned.

Cindy Munford on June 30, 2014 at 2:50 PM

American religious leaders desire to make Christianity a condition of employment.

libfreeordie on June 30, 2014 at 1:59 PM

While the gay mafia demands that joyous promotion of homosexuality be a condition of employment anywhere in America?

Girl, bye.

slickwillie2001 on June 30, 2014 at 2:50 PM

Can’t believe we live in a world where we’d even consider letting big corps deny women access to basic care based on vague moral objections

…but that’s life. I can’t believe that demagogues try to gin up angry mobs with dog whistle catch phrases devoid of truth…but unfortunately it is also part of life, nowawdays.

ExZek on June 30, 2014 at 2:51 PM

Remember, their argument is that they have the right to speculate that their employees use contraceptives as an abortificant, because if an employee does so, then they have subsidized a behavior that violates their religious beliefs.

libfreeordie on June 30, 2014 at 2:41 PM

No, that’s really not their argument:

The Green family has no moral objection to the use of 16 of 20 preventive contraceptives required in the mandate, and Hobby Lobby will continue its longstanding practice of covering these preventive contraceptives for its employees.

They cover 16 contraceptive medicines, likely including the one your sister needs for her cramps.

Good Solid B-Plus on June 30, 2014 at 2:51 PM

So you (collectively) tracked down her/his IP address and sent it to someone at the college to try to get him/her fired? Good move brownshirts.

jim56 on June 30, 2014 at 2:35 PM

Notifying an employer of an alleged violation of their conduct is not Nazi-like.

For example, would you consider a whistle-blower to be a Nazi?

Now, please inform us of the violent attacks you wish to commit and then we will use your IP address accordingly.

Thank you.

sentinelrules on June 30, 2014 at 2:39 PM

Show me where the internet rules of the university were publicly posted. Without those, you’d have no idea whether this was even a possible violation–or whether the university had any rules.

But thanks for saying its fine to be a whistle-blower. You must not have any problem with people reporting conservatives for not paying the Obamacare tax if they decide to not get insurance, right?

jim56 on June 30, 2014 at 2:53 PM

the Hobby Lobbies will argue they have the right to exclude gay people from being employed because their religion considers those people (if practicing) to be sinners and they need to enforce religious-based beliefs at their companies.

jim56 on June 30, 2014 at 2:28 PM

No fool, that has already been law and decided on by the courts…you are so stupid, you use an argument that supports the opposition.

You are arguing with yourself, using arguments to defeat your premise…good grief, never made the debate team in grammar school I see.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

What’s even more funny, is the libs went out and traced down gays/lesbians that work for Hobby Lobby, they had nothing but great things to say about the culture….

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! You guys are so desperate…pathetic, but entertaining.

Keep posting you are F’in brilliant.

right2bright on June 30, 2014 at 2:53 PM

In future cases, the Hobby Lobbies will argue they have the right to exclude gay people from being employed because their religion considers those people (if practicing) to be sinners and they need to enforce religious-based beliefs at their companies.

jim56 on June 30, 2014 at 2:28 PM

You don’t know that.

Chuck Schick on June 30, 2014 at 2:53 PM

What is it about a mutual fund that ….

libfreeordie on June 30, 2014 at 2:41 PM

What is it about mutual funds that you don’t understand? Or 401ks? I’m guessing you don’t truly grasp the fundamental concepts involved in either.

GWB on June 30, 2014 at 2:53 PM

You should see where your university invests it’s endowment funds. You would resign in protest….if you weren’t a hypocrite. Girl, bye.

HumpBot Salvation on June 30, 2014 at 2:50 PM

By lib’s argument, every principled, conscientious progressive has a duty to resign/retire if their organization gets a drop of money from Koch-related sources, right? :)

Good Solid B-Plus on June 30, 2014 at 2:53 PM

Vague moral objections, like freedom of religion?

Why would Pocahontas respect others’ morals? She is a Progressive.

ha_tspc on June 30, 2014 at 2:53 PM

libfreeordie on June 30, 2014 at 2:32 PM
libfreeordie on June 30, 2014 at 2:41 PM

All from the guy who lives off wealth transfers from poorer students and tax payers to instruct future generations in the marketable skills found in “inequality studies”. He hats inequality – which is why he’ll take money from those who have less than him even if it’s done forcibly by the state.

gwelf on June 30, 2014 at 2:54 PM

jim56 on June 30, 2014 at 2:28 PM

Yeah, it’s narrowness and your reactions are truly baffling. Maybe you need to sue anyone and everyone who takes their sabbath off. Geez, you would think Roe v. Wade had been overturned.

Cindy Munford on June 30, 2014 at 2:50 PM

Yeah. It was sorta like your side’s reaction to the Supreme Court case striking down the Defense of Marriage Act. You would have thought gay marriage had been legalized in all the states.

jim56 on June 30, 2014 at 2:54 PM

Libfree sounds like she’s reaching critical mass.

If she has a heavy, dense core we may see fission and the reduction of some university into a smoking hole …

darwin on June 30, 2014 at 2:54 PM

Given that birth control can provide women relief from that pain, isn’t that enough of a warrant for subsidizing them?

libfreeordie on June 30, 2014 at 2:35 PM

libfree thinks that health insurance is a subsidy.

faraway on June 30, 2014 at 2:54 PM

Oh that’s right, they won’t have to. Because sycophants like yourself, who love nothing so much as to worship at the feet of corporate overlords, no matter their behavior, will find a way to claim that this isn’t massively hypocritical, that it doesn’t directly violate Christ’s prohibition on profiting on things that are in violation of your creed. You’ll find every which way to say “but don’t look at that.” Oh yeah, you’ll say “squirrel” or something. But every honest reader knows this shows how utterly faithless and unprincipled these people really are. You won, but your victory also exposes the complete hollow bullcrap of the evangelical movement. Congrats.

libfreeordie on June 30, 2014 at 2:32 PM

You should see where your university invests it’s endowment funds. You would resign in protest….if you weren’t a hypocrite. Girl, bye.

HumpBot Salvation on June 30, 2014 at 2:50 PM

And scene

gwelf on June 30, 2014 at 2:54 PM

So you (collectively) tracked down her/his IP address and sent it to someone at the college to try to get him/her fired? Good move brownshirts.

jim56 on June 30, 2014 at 2:35 PM

We prefer the name “Undocumented NSA Employee”

BobMbx on June 30, 2014 at 2:55 PM

Yeah. It was sorta like your side’s reaction to the Supreme Court case striking down the Defense of Marriage Act. You would have thought gay marriage had been legalized in all the states.

jim56 on June 30, 2014 at 2:54 PM

Wishing accidents on a family puts you in the wrong, period.

Chuck Schick on June 30, 2014 at 2:55 PM

Given that birth control can provide women relief from that pain, isn’t that enough of a warrant for subsidizing them?

libfreeordie on June 30, 2014 at 2:35 PM

Buy your own fuc*ing enhancement and contraceptives.

Schadenfreude on June 30, 2014 at 2:56 PM

The levels of mass delusion are breathtaking. This goes beyond the typical truth-bending and demagoguery we see in politics. I honestly wonder if there’s a significant element of mental illness at play here.

NukeRidingCowboy on June 30, 2014 at 2:56 PM

What is it about mutual funds that you don’t understand? Or 401ks? I’m guessing you don’t truly grasp the fundamental concepts involved in either.

GWB on June 30, 2014 at 2:53 PM

Don’t let the facts get in the way of fascistordies progressive marxist rant against the rich white patriarchy.

gwelf on June 30, 2014 at 2:56 PM

You must not have any problem with people reporting conservatives for not paying the Obamacare tax if they decide to not get insurance, right?

jim56 on June 30, 2014 at 2:53 PM

You’re a fruitcake.

darwin on June 30, 2014 at 2:56 PM

I honestly wonder if there’s a significant element of mental illness at play here.

NukeRidingCowboy on June 30, 2014 at 2:56 PM

Wonder? I don’t. I think it’s fairly self-evident. :)

Midas on June 30, 2014 at 2:56 PM

The Eugenics Cult-of-Death claims aborting children is “basic medical treatment”. What a sick and sad culture we live in.

John the Libertarian on June 30, 2014 at 2:57 PM

I may be wrong, but didn’t Kennedy’s Concurrence say that the government would pick up the tab for the contraceptives that Hobby Lobby doesn’t have to pay for?

So… any women who still wants those things can get them at government expense, and Hobby Lobby doesn’t have to pay for things it finds immoral.

I think that is a solid ruling. Except that I have to pay for them with tax dollars. But we already do for most of Obamacare anyway.

Beware of Liberals who act too incensed over this. I think they are just banging the drum for the old canard about “the war on women”. Just in time for the election!

This seems like a campaign fodder, much ado about nothing, except the next election.

petunia on June 30, 2014 at 2:57 PM

So you (collectively) tracked down her/his IP address and sent it to someone at the college to try to get him/her fired? Good move brownshirts.

jim56 on June 30, 2014 at 2:35 PM

NO one did that, slave, and you know it. Provide proof, or shut up.

Schadenfreude on June 30, 2014 at 2:57 PM

You must not have any problem with people reporting conservatives for not paying the Obamacare tax if they decide to not get insurance, right?

jim56 on June 30, 2014 at 2:53 PM

I’ll NEVER pay it. Report me, slave.

Schadenfreude on June 30, 2014 at 2:58 PM

I meant by the left.

It is a small win for religious rights.

Though I wish it were more.

petunia on June 30, 2014 at 2:58 PM

You must not have any problem with people reporting conservatives for not paying the Obamacare tax if they decide to not get insurance, right?

jim56 on June 30, 2014 at 2:53 PM

jim56 wants to load people on trains after he burns their houses down.

faraway on June 30, 2014 at 2:59 PM

All from the guy who lives off wealth transfers from poorer students and tax payers to instruct future generations in the marketable skills found in “inequality studies”. He hats inequality – which is why he’ll take money from those who have less than him even if it’s done forcibly by the state.

gwelf on June 30, 2014 at 2:54 PM

For the fascist, having it done forcibly by the state ‘blesses’ and legitimizes the action.

Athos on June 30, 2014 at 2:59 PM

So you (collectively) tracked down her/his IP address and sent it to someone at the college to try to get him/her fired? Good move brownshirts.

jim56 on June 30, 2014 at 2:35 PM

Your boyfriend exposed himself. Period.

Schadenfreude on June 30, 2014 at 2:59 PM

I may be wrong, but didn’t Kennedy’s Concurrence say that the government would pick up the tab for the contraceptives that Hobby Lobby doesn’t have to pay for?

petunia on June 30, 2014 at 2:57 PM

How easy it is for these people to put their hands in the taxpayers pocket.

darwin on June 30, 2014 at 2:59 PM

Show me where the internet rules of the university were publicly posted. Without those, you’d have no idea whether this was even a possible violation–or whether the university had any rules.

But thanks for saying its fine to be a whistle-blower. You must not have any problem with people reporting conservatives for not paying the Obamacare tax if they decide to not get insurance, right?

jim56 on June 30, 2014 at 2:53 PM

Libfree said it was and knowingly continued to post here despite the violations with regards to her ex-employer. Are you calling libree a liar?

As for conservatives not paying taxes, I think we all know it’s more likely that liberals will refuse to pay taxes than conservatives.

sentinelrules on June 30, 2014 at 2:59 PM

So you (collectively) tracked down her/his IP address and sent it to someone at the college to try to get him/her fired? Good move brownshirts.

jim56 on June 30, 2014 at 2:35 PM

NO one did that, slave, and you know it. Provide proof, or shut up.

Schadenfreude on June 30, 2014 at 2:57 PM

Indeed; I’m unaware that this ever happened, and never saw anyone – much less everyone collectively – discussing that this had occurred.

“Pics or it didn’t happen” – put up or shut up and move on to your next unhinged screed, jimbo.

Midas on June 30, 2014 at 2:59 PM

Basic care for libtard women is abortion and contraceptives ? Since no guys want to sleep with them anyway I can’t see it being a problem.

DeweyWins on June 30, 2014 at 2:59 PM

jim56 wants to load people on trains after he burns their houses down.

faraway on June 30, 2014 at 2:59 PM

… after he “unfortunately” burns their houses down…

Midas on June 30, 2014 at 3:00 PM

Show me where the internet rules of the university were publicly posted. Without those, you’d have no idea whether this was even a possible violation–or whether the university had any rules.

But thanks for saying its fine to be a whistle-blower. You must not have any problem with people reporting conservatives for not paying the Obamacare tax if they decide to not get insurance, right?

jim56 on June 30, 2014 at 2:53 PM

YOU show where anyone tracked down your boyfriend’s IP, fool.

Otherwise, shut up, because your b-friend exposes himself, and you know it.

Schadenfreude on June 30, 2014 at 3:01 PM

Given that birth control can provide women relief from that pain, isn’t that enough of a warrant for subsidizing them?

libfreeordie on June 30, 2014 at 2:35 PM

No. They should be covered for women who genuinely need them for a medical condition outside of contraception. They shouldn’t covered just so people can have sex.

What is so funny is the hysterics over an item that costs less than a value meal at McDonalds and that is without insurance.

Liberals look like fools here. No one is advocating taking birth control pills off the market. No one is saying women should be restricted from buying them. All we are saying is people should be personally responsible to take care of themselves without counting on others to pay their way. Or do you liberals think us women are too stupid to get birth control on our own?

Talk about war on women!

gophergirl on June 30, 2014 at 3:01 PM

Yeah. It was sorta like your side’s reaction to the Supreme Court case striking down the Defense of Marriage Act. You would have thought gay marriage had been legalized in all the states.

jim56 on June 30, 2014 at 2:54 PM

Remember the libtard frothing last year when the VRA was struck down?

Yeah you do.

You were burning down the houses of conservatives.

sentinelrules on June 30, 2014 at 3:01 PM

… after he “unfortunately” burns their houses down…

Midas on June 30, 2014 at 3:00 PM

While screaming incoherently about Nazi’s.

darwin on June 30, 2014 at 3:01 PM

I’m hoping for a series of “unfortunate” accidents to happen to Hobby Lobby stores and the Greens.

jim56 on June 30, 2014 at 1:16 PM

So is this simply because you disagree with their morals and politics, or is it because they’ve embarrassed Obama?

rogerb on June 30, 2014 at 1:24 PM

I disagree that their company can practice religion. And I disagree with their personal morals and politics.

jim56 on June 30, 2014 at 1:33 PM

She almost lost her job at East Georgia University for less offensive comments posted here.

sentinelrules on June 30, 2014 at 1:47 PM

Yeah. Why don’t you conservative brownshirt thugs try to get people fired from their jobs because you don’t agree with their politics. It apparently worked for you and libfee.

jim56 on June 30, 2014 at 2:23 PM

Not even an hour.

rogerb on June 30, 2014 at 2:28 PM

Ha ha ha

gwelf on June 30, 2014 at 3:01 PM

But thanks for saying its fine to be a whistle-blower. You must not have any problem with people reporting conservatives for not paying the Obamacare tax if they decide to not get insurance, right?

jim56 on June 30, 2014 at 2:53 PM

Their hard drive with all the tax info was lost.

Jeebus….you really need to stay up to date on acceptable excuses.

Bishop on June 30, 2014 at 3:01 PM

Read my comments on the other posts. I’m hoping for a series of “unfortunate” accidents to happen to Hobby Lobby stores and the Greens.

jim56 on June 30, 2014 at 1:16 PM

Brings to mind the fact that the left is responsible for the vast majority of assassinations and mass murders in this country. Just another example of leftist hatred, because, that’s who they really are.

HiJack on June 30, 2014 at 3:02 PM

None of us, and it were my sister, I would give her the $10 a month for her not to be in pain…what kind of sibling allows their sister, for just $10 a month to live in such pain?

right2bright on June 30, 2014 at 2:47 PM

Well, see? LFoD just wants the government to have the same relationship to you as a brother. A big brother. A very big brother who will beat you up and take your money in order to provide for his sister.

GWB on June 30, 2014 at 3:02 PM

I was out shopping when I heard the news of the ruling on the car radio. On my way by, I stopped in and bought something at Hobby Lobby to show my appreciation for taking this to SCOTUS. A Hobby Lobby appreciation day would be interesting, especially if it is as successful as the one for Chick-Fil-A was.

DrStock on June 30, 2014 at 3:02 PM

Their hard drive with all the tax info was lost.

Jeebus….you really need to stay up to date on acceptable excuses.

Bishop on June 30, 2014 at 3:01 PM

The slave’s boyfriend is dumber than the slave himself.

Schadenfreude on June 30, 2014 at 3:02 PM

This seems more a emotional reaction on the left about religion not being smashed by their obviously more moral morals.

The term “weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth” comes to mind.

Kennedy made sure that the contraceptives were available at tax payer cost. Just Hobby Lobby doesn’t have to pay.

There is nothing in this for liberals to hate.

Only that they hate everything about God.

petunia on June 30, 2014 at 3:02 PM

I guess Sandra Fluke won’t be applying at Hobby Lobby

burserker on June 30, 2014 at 3:03 PM

I guess Sandra Fluke won’t be applying at Hobby Lobby

burserker on June 30, 2014 at 3:03 PM

Imagine coolrepubica’s take is missing, so far.

Schadenfreude on June 30, 2014 at 3:04 PM

The Supreme Court #HobbyLobby ruling proves once again that Scalia Law is a lot like Sharia Law.

The butthurt is strong here. I thought libs celebrated the muzzies right to sharia law and the muzzie suppresion of women’s rights. It is their culture or something…….

DeweyWins on June 30, 2014 at 3:04 PM

For the fascist, having it done forcibly by the state ‘blesses’ and legitimizes the action.

Athos on June 30, 2014 at 2:59 PM

It’s for their own good. Now that money is in wiser hands.

gwelf on June 30, 2014 at 3:04 PM

Given that birth control can provide women relief from that pain, isn’t that enough of a warrant for subsidizing them?

libfreeordie on June 30, 2014 at 2:35 PM

Removing you as a poster would be relief from reading your idiotic posts…isn’t that enough of a warrant for you to not post?

right2bright on June 30, 2014 at 3:04 PM

libfreeordie on June 30, 2014 at 2:41 PM

You’re still free to NOT take a job with Hobby Lobby.

dentarthurdent on June 30, 2014 at 3:05 PM

petunia on June 30, 2014 at 3:02 PM

They’ll wake up tomorrow to the fact that the Union case was more absolute. It’ll be even more fun than today.

Schadenfreude on June 30, 2014 at 3:05 PM

Only that they hate everything about God.

petunia on June 30, 2014 at 3:02 PM

Ding ding!

But only the Judeo-Christian God. They love them some Allah.

darwin on June 30, 2014 at 3:05 PM

Why don’t all of the many, many, many Leftist millionaires and billionaires get together and create their own privately funded charity to give away abortion pills to anyone that wants them, free of charge.

They could do this tomorrow, hundreds of times over, coast to coast. But they won’t. Why?

tobes on June 30, 2014 at 3:05 PM

Wonder? I don’t. I think it’s fairly self-evident. :)

Midas on June 30, 2014 at 2:56 PM

Well, there’s also the possibility that they are of very poor character. Or of low intelligence. Perhaps it’s a mix of deficiencies.

NukeRidingCowboy on June 30, 2014 at 3:06 PM

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