Quotes of the day

posted at 10:11 pm on June 30, 2014 by Allahpundit

1) The government must provide religious accommodations to for-profit companies

Corporations aren’t people, but they are owned by people, and the religious beliefs of those people must be protected regardless of how those people choose to incorporate their businesses. The court ruled today that the accommodations provided to non-profit religious organizations by the Religious Freedom Restoration Act also apply to for-profit companies.

“[W]e hold that a federal regulation’s restriction on the activities of a for-profit closely held corporation must comply with [the Religious Freedom Restoration Act,” Alito wrote in the majority decision.

It’s a big win for religious liberty and against the belief that your faith no longer matters once you decide to open a business.

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Just as notable is what the Supreme Court’s ruling did not do. Women who work for the plaintiffs, Hobby Lobby, remain able to use their employer-provided insurance coverage to finance the most popular forms of contraception. They remain free to use their wages to finance the ones Hobby Lobby will not cover. They remain free to find other jobs, too, if they want employer-provided insurance coverage that includes the abortifacients to which Hobby Lobby objects. Congress remains free to enact a new law that requires employers to cover abortifacients and contraceptives and explicitly rules out any RFRA exemptions. It remains free, for that matter, to repeal RFRA altogether.

The ruling does not even make it clear whether the Little Sisters of the Poor will, in the end, remain free from the requirement that they authorize another party to provide contraceptive coverage. That question will be answered in a different case. The Court’s ruling today, in short, is an extremely limited one. It does not even restore the full scope of freedom employers had in these matters as recently as 2012. Nobody then, you may recall, was agitated over the fact that throughout the entire course of American history up to that point, their supposed “rights” to free contraceptive coverage from employers had been continuously violated.

It can be safely predicted that any change in birth rates and rates of contraceptive use based on this ruling will be undetectable. All that has changed is that employers are a little freer to refuse to engage in conduct they consider religiously objectionable. That this increase in freedom makes some people so very upset tells us more about them than about the Court’s ruling.

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The Supreme Court had already granted all kinds of other special rights and powers to corporations — including "corporate personhood" or the right for businesses to be treated as people under the law. And because corporations are people, the Court has ruled that corporate spending to influence elections is equivalent to speech and cannot be infringed. At a time when economic inequality is reaching record highs and support for big business is at an all time low, the Supreme Court has consistently seen fit to confer more and more power and privilege to already powerful and privileged corporations. At a time when we should be putting more checks and balances in place for corporate America, the Supreme Court is loosening the reigns.

Moreover, this case is a perversion of religious freedom. Our values of religious freedom and tolerance were meant to protect individuals in our nation from the tyranny of government and business. Recall that in the earliest days of American history, it was not only the King of England but the powerful East India Company out from under the mutual thumb of which American colonists were trying to crawl. Moreover, as I have written previously, freedom of religion explicitly includes not only the freedom to practice one's religion but to be free from the imposition of someone else's religion. The owners of Hobby Lobby and Conestoga Wood cannot be allowed to impose their religious beliefs on their employees.

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[The reaction is] instructive because it demonstrates the extent to which the Left is emotionally and ideologically committed to the power of the regulatory state. For some time, the Left has been selling the public and the courts on the notion that somehow the act of forming a corporation and opening for business operates as an effective waiver of your most basic liberties, including free speech, free exercise of religion, and virtually the entire panoply of property rights. In effect, your business is not “your” business at all, but instead all aspects of its operations exist at the whim of the state, and if the state wants to draft you into its child-killing abortion crusade — or wants to muzzle you during political campaigns – then you best salute and fall in line…

The desire to make money does not act as a waiver of constitutional or statutory rights, nor is it morally suspect, but it certainly is indispensable to a system of free enterprise that all too many on the Left view as the enemy of “social justice.” As one of my colleagues at the ACLJ stated (full disclosure: We filed seven lawsuits against the mandate, filed an amicus brief in the Hobby Lobby case, have two mandate cases before the Supreme Court now, and have filed more than a dozen amicus briefs against the mandate nationwide), “If anything rivals the Left’s passion on the abortion issue, it’s their commitment to the regulatory state.”

When a case combines elements of both issues, for the Left a loss is cataclysmic. And if much of your public “argument” depends on creating a sense of cultural inevitability, then a dramatic halt to the latest leap forward of the allegedly unstoppable sexual revolution and regulatory state is a cause for leftist weeping indeed.

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All signs Monday pointed to the fact that Democrats would rather stage a political fight over the issue than quickly resolve it for the affected women. Both the Democratic Party and the White House Twitter accounts spend much of the day rallying people to outrage on social media over the decision. “It’s time that five men on the Supreme Court stop deciding what happens to women,” tweeted Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.

Legal observers say it would not be difficult for the Obama Administration to resolve the situation unilaterally. The Department of Health and Human Services has already taken unilateral executive action to ensure that women employed by religious nonprofits get contraception coverage in cases where the employer declines to pay. “There was nothing in the statute that specifically allowed them to create the exemption for non-profit organizations so I don’t see why they couldn’t extend that to for-profit corporations,” said Timothy Jost, a law professor at Washington and Lee University and an expert on the Affordable Care Act’s regulations. “I don’t know why they couldn’t do it themselves.”

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The communications director for EMILY’s List said the ruling will motivate women to cast ballots come November.

“Ninety-nine percent of women of women aged 15-44 have used birth control – this should not be controversial,” Jess McIntosh told CNN. “But conservatives in every branch of government are determined to undermine our ability to make our medical decisions on our own – just like men do. Women have decided every election in recent memory. Women were watching today, and it will absolutely be a motivating factor in November.”
Some conservative women rejected the notion that the ruling will motive female voters to support Democratic candidates come November.

Concerned Women for America, a socially conservative group, said that it preserved “religious liberty for everyone, including the women represented by the other side.”

Alison Howard, the group’s communications director, said the ruling would motivate women in a different way: “This is so affirming to those women who believe in freedom and that’s bigger than those who believe that taxpayers should fund abortion inducing drugs and contraceptives.”

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2. “President Obama believes that women should make personal health care decisions for themselves, rather than their bosses deciding for them.”

Agreed, but there was nothing in the Supreme Court’s decision that took the decision away from women and gave it to their employer. Women are still free to obtain contraceptives.

Hobby Lobby wasn’t telling its employees that they couldn’t seek those contraceptives, just that the company wouldn’t pay for them through its health insurance.

That’s not the bosses deciding women’s health care decisions, that’s the bosses deciding not to cover something that wasn’t previously a required health care service.

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There is one way that House Republicans can stay a step ahead, however. That is following the lead of Gov. Bobby Jindal, R-La., and more recently, Rep. Cory Gardner, R-Colo. (who is now running for U.S. Senate). That is, they should support a bill to allow oral contraceptives to be purchased over the counter

Philosophically, it’s consistent with limited government principles. It removes unnecessary government regulations and increases choice.

It doesn’t impose new burdens on businesses or religious institutions, nor does it require an increase in government health care spending.

And politically, it would also be beneficial to Republicans. It would make it a lot more difficult for Democrats to portray the GOP as being only interested in obstructing Democrats rather than supporting their own ideas, and harder to accuse Republicans of being broadly against access to birth control.

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The obvious solution to this dilemma is to take health insurance away from employers altogether. In a very, very limited way, the Obama administration has already done that by arranging for separate contraception coverage, via third party insurers, for churches and other truly religious organizations that object to such coverage. In principle, it could do the same here. And, over the long run, it’s easy enough to imagine a world in which employers were truly out of the health insurance business altogether—a world in which all people got health insurance directly from the government or tightly regulated insurers.

But the people and groups who oppose government’s providing insurance directly tend to be the same people who object to the contraception mandate. That’s not a coincidence. While I don’t doubt the religious objections to birth control are sincere, I do think they are masking another belief conservatives bring to this debate: As a general rule, conservatives don’t think government should be compelling them to pay for other people’s medical expenses. Voluntary insurance arrangements are fine, they say. But government shouldn’t be making them pay for other people—or for services they might not like, want, or use.

The Hobby Lobby case raises a whole bunch of important and complicated questions—about religious freedom, the definition of corporations, and so on. But fundamentally this is also a case about the responsibility each of us has for the well-being of our fellow man—and, yes, for our fellow woman.

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Via NRO.

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Via RCP.

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JONATHAN TURLEY: It’s a huge blow to the Obama administration. You know, this has been an awful ten days. They were previously found to be in violation of the Fourth Amendment and privacy. Then they were found to be in violation of the separation of powers, and now they have been found to be in violation of the First Amendment and the religion clauses. I mean, you just don’t want to get out of bed after a week like that.


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This is a miserable record…13 times since 2012 Obama has lost 0-9 in supreme court.

Good article…preceded the spankin’ he got today.

Ever noticed that the left always reaches the hight of OUTRAGEOUS OUTRAGE!!!! when their ability to control other people is checked?

It’s sick, and scary.

Doc Holliday on July 1, 2014 at 12:55 AM

HUGE Cochran story reported tonight on Red State, Breitbart, and The Right Scoop. I’ve posted links but no one seems interested. If you are, check those sites out.
cat_owner on July 1, 2014 at 12:41 AM

I have been, Cat. Interesting cast of characters, but it does need to be taken to the Next Level–arrest and indictment, preferably before next Monday, if I’m not mistaken. There’s a ten-day window to certify the run-off, yes?

Newtie and the Beauty on July 1, 2014 at 12:56 AM

G’night Doc…

OmahaConservative on July 1, 2014 at 12:53 AM

You ain’t getting rid of me that easy!
I can’t go to sleep just yet, I’ve had too much caffeine.

Doc Holliday on July 1, 2014 at 12:57 AM

You ain’t getting rid of me that easy!
I can’t go to sleep just yet, I’ve had too much caffeine.

Doc Holliday on July 1, 2014 at 12:57 AM

Waiting for Dire, ehhhh?

OmahaConservative on July 1, 2014 at 12:58 AM

Ever noticed that the left always reaches the hight of OUTRAGEOUS OUTRAGE!!!! when their ability to control other people is checked?

It’s sick, and scary.

Doc Holliday on July 1, 2014 at 12:55 AM

Illiberal thugs, always; never progressive/liberal.

Schadenfreude on July 1, 2014 at 12:58 AM

Where did the troll go?

OmahaConservative on July 1, 2014 at 12:59 AM

Ever noticed that the left always reaches the hight of OUTRAGEOUS OUTRAGE!!!! when their ability to control other people is checked?
It’s sick, and scary.
Doc Holliday on July 1, 2014 at 12:55 AM

The left astroturfs when it’s a 5-4 opinion against them, Doc, but I didn’t notice much above some grumbling when it was unanimous. Maybe it’s just me?

Newtie and the Beauty on July 1, 2014 at 12:59 AM

Doc Holliday on July 1, 2014 at 12:55 AM

how many decisions were 4 to 5…
I am, and have been, concerned about the next SC pick..
I know many here are willing to throw out the Senate in 14..
but if Barry get to pick another SCJ…
with the Senate in his pocket..
we could be doomed..
for a very long time…

going2mars on July 1, 2014 at 1:00 AM

I can’t go to sleep just yet, I’ve had too much caffeine.
Doc Holliday on July 1, 2014 at 12:57 AM

What are your thoughts about melatonin supplements, Doc?

Newtie and the Beauty on July 1, 2014 at 1:00 AM

Waiting for Dire, ehhhh?

OmahaConservative on July 1, 2014 at 12:58 AM

Hah! Yep…Dire’s arrival pretty much signals it’s bedtime for me. Dunno what he does for a living, but he does it late at night.
And, I have to start back to my main job tomorrow. Unfortunately my NP, Wendy, the Queen of All Nurses, will not be there, as she is on a well deserved vacation.
Thankfully my partner has done an excellent job of reducing the service. (The service is the group of people we have to see…)

Doc Holliday on July 1, 2014 at 1:01 AM

Already read those. I was following Aaron Gardner and Chuck Johnson on twitter all afternoon. And seeing Gregg Phillip’s stuff from True the Vote.

NWConservative on July 1, 2014 at 12:52 AM

You likely saw Aaron’s comment then that his article had over 7000 views not long after he posted it. And it’s been shared thousands of times on social media.

There needs to be a story about it here tomorrow. AP could do a great job of that.

Will be interesting to see what tomorrow brings.

cat_owner on July 1, 2014 at 1:01 AM

Where did the troll go?

OmahaConservative on July 1, 2014 at 12:59 AM

…he’s busy… master(something or other)!

JugEarsButtHurt on July 1, 2014 at 1:02 AM

I know many here are willing to throw out the Senate in 14..
but if Barry get to pick another SCJ…
with the Senate in his pocket..
we could be doomed..
for a very long time…
going2mars on July 1, 2014 at 1:00 AM

I shudder to think what/who zero would pick if’n Ruthie or Breyer chose to retire…

Newtie and the Beauty on July 1, 2014 at 1:02 AM

What are your thoughts about melatonin supplements, Doc?

Newtie and the Beauty on July 1, 2014 at 1:00 AM

They work. But I have found from personal experience that the brand is very important–my wife has some that are excellent. I’ll have to see what the brand is and let you know tomorrow. We used them on our trip to Italy–it was very helpful in fighting off the jet lag.

Doc Holliday on July 1, 2014 at 1:02 AM

You likely saw Aaron’s comment then that his article had over 7000 views not long after he posted it. And it’s been shared thousands of times on social media.

There needs to be a story about it here tomorrow. AP could do a great job of that.

Will be interesting to see what tomorrow brings.

cat_owner on July 1, 2014 at 1:01 AM

My favorite was the part where Redstate crashed.

NWConservative on July 1, 2014 at 1:03 AM

Pat Benatar – Fire and Ice

And on that note, I bid Friends and Lurkers niters and sleep well!

Newtie and the Beauty on July 1, 2014 at 1:04 AM

HUGE Cochran story reported tonight on Red State, Breitbart, and The Right Scoop. I’ve posted links but no one seems interested. If you are, check those sites out.
cat_owner on July 1, 2014 at 12:41 AM

I am indeed interested… my question is, “What’s next?” Another election? A judge overturns Cochran’s win? A lawsuit that will take months to resolve, at best?

Or “Sit down and shut up, rubes” from the Powers That Be…?

PointnClick on July 1, 2014 at 1:04 AM

Where did the troll go?

OmahaConservative on July 1, 2014 at 12:59 AM

…switching over…to become “Blah blah blah”

JugEarsButtHurt on July 1, 2014 at 1:04 AM

I have been, Cat. Interesting cast of characters, but it does need to be taken to the Next Level–arrest and indictment, preferably before next Monday, if I’m not mistaken. There’s a ten-day window to certify the run-off, yes?

Newtie and the Beauty on July 1, 2014 at 12:56 AM

I’m not sure about that. But if the pastor is telling the truth, a lot of people are in serious trouble.

Will have to see what happens from here. Chuck Johnson is the main guy to follow on Twitter for the latest news.

He’s done an awesome job.

cat_owner on July 1, 2014 at 1:04 AM

Newtie and the Beauty on July 1, 2014 at 1:02 AM

what if its not a lib..
what if its one of ours??

going2mars on July 1, 2014 at 1:04 AM

Illiberal thugs, always; never progressive/liberal.

Schadenfreude on July 1, 2014 at 12:58 AM

This is true! Unless you count progress towards some variety of totalitarianism as progressive. They have no business usurping the term “liberal”

Doc Holliday on July 1, 2014 at 1:05 AM

They work. But I have found from personal experience that the brand is very important–my wife has some that are excellent. I’ll have to see what the brand is and let you know tomorrow. We used them on our trip to Italy–it was very helpful in fighting off the jet lag.
Doc Holliday on July 1, 2014 at 1:02 AM

Coolness, Doc! Sure beat sleeping on the plane, although I’m sure you did that on the way back ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on July 1, 2014 at 1:05 AM

G’night Newtie…

OmahaConservative on July 1, 2014 at 1:05 AM

HUGE Cochran story reported tonight on Red State, Breitbart, and The Right Scoop. I’ve posted links but no one seems interested. If you are, check those sites out.

cat_owner on July 1, 2014 at 12:41 AM

Thank you. Been following a lot of this on twitter and watching arguments to sit down and STFU from a lot of “conservative” echo chamber dwellers.

It’s only going to get more interesting and the whining of the RINOs louder.

kim roy on July 1, 2014 at 1:06 AM

sleep well and be safe NatB…cheers

mumbles…keys??

going2mars on July 1, 2014 at 1:06 AM

Will have to see what happens from here. Chuck Johnson is the main guy to follow on Twitter for the latest news.

He’s done an awesome job.

cat_owner on July 1, 2014 at 1:04 AM

He’s also, sadly, taken a buttload of abuse from “our side”.

Follow him on twitter for sure.

kim roy on July 1, 2014 at 1:08 AM

G’night Newtie…
OmahaConservative on July 1, 2014 at 1:05 AM

Niters, OC! Sleep well!

Newtie and the Beauty on July 1, 2014 at 1:09 AM

My favorite was the part where Redstate crashed.

NWConservative on July 1, 2014 at 1:03 AM

Yeah, I was one of the frustrated people that couldn’t access it for awhile. Kudos to Red State, as I believe they are the first major conservative site to run with this story.

Now hopefully Hot Air will do the same.

cat_owner on July 1, 2014 at 1:09 AM

Goodnight Newtie!

Doc Holliday on July 1, 2014 at 1:09 AM

sleep well and be safe NatB…cheers
mumbles…keys??
going2mars on July 1, 2014 at 1:06 AM

[check your right pocket... ;-) ]

Newtie and the Beauty on July 1, 2014 at 1:09 AM

Women – they really know how to make men feel…….Comfortable….and they NEVER send “confusing” messages…..
williamg on July 1, 2014 at 1:04 AM

You made me PEEK!

Newtie and the Beauty on July 1, 2014 at 1:10 AM

Goodnight Newtie!
Doc Holliday on July 1, 2014 at 1:09 AM

Niters and sleep well, Doc! Don’t forget your Big Boy Britches for tomorrow–without your Dear NP, well, you’ll need them… ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on July 1, 2014 at 1:11 AM

You made me PEEK!

Newtie and the Beauty on July 1, 2014 at 1:10 AM

HAHAHAHA!!…That Scene just Cracks ME Up!

williamg on July 1, 2014 at 1:11 AM

I am indeed interested… my question is, “What’s next?” Another election? A judge overturns Cochran’s win? A lawsuit that will take months to resolve, at best?

Or “Sit down and shut up, rubes” from the Powers That Be…?

PointnClick on July 1, 2014 at 1:04 AM

I think the ‘sit down and shut up” ship has already sailed. It’s way past that now.

As for what is next….. I don’t know honestly, but these are serious allegations that need a full investigation.

Chris must have a legal team in place that will know how to proceed. But this is a huge scandal now that cannot be swept away.

cat_owner on July 1, 2014 at 1:12 AM

Nite J., Axe and Ken

Nite HA

Nite America

Schadenfreude on July 1, 2014 at 1:15 AM

what if Thomas or Scalia take ill..
Clarence Thomas born in 1948
Antonin Scalia born in 1936

and then Ruthie or Breyer retire..

that could give Barry 2 or 3 shots at this…
can you imagine 3 more Kagens??..
she was born in 1960…
so this could be the last picks for some of us..

going2mars on July 1, 2014 at 1:15 AM

He’s also, sadly, taken a buttload of abuse from “our side”.

Follow him on twitter for sure.

kim roy on July 1, 2014 at 1:08 AM

I’ve been following him since last Wednesday or Thursday. I found out about him from someone retweeting some of his posts.

I have no doubt he is taking a LOT of abuse. He’s a very courageous person, determined to get the truth out.

cat_owner on July 1, 2014 at 1:15 AM

cat_owner on July 1, 2014 at 1:12 AM

My brother in law had a similar experience while running for office on a smaller scale. He found out that his opponent had held a picnic for a black church group, where they had served fried chicken in boxes, like you would get from KFC. At the bottom of each box was a $10.00 bill and a copy of the ballot filled out with my BIL’s opponents name checked. The meaning was clear. My BIL lost the race.

Doc Holliday on July 1, 2014 at 1:16 AM

[check your right pocket... ;-) ]

Newtie and the Beauty on July 1, 2014 at 1:09 AM

your the tops NatB…and good at it too..
usually I have always noticed when woman puts err uhmmm ahh
things in my pockets..
I didn’t notice a thing… thanks luv…sleep well

going2mars on July 1, 2014 at 1:18 AM

I’ve heard the full audio. If the preacher isn’t lying, somebody is going to jail.

https://twitter.com/EWErickson/status/483796579938484224

cat_owner on July 1, 2014 at 1:20 AM

Doc Holliday on July 1, 2014 at 1:16 AM

Oh, that’s terrible. And his opponent got away with it?

Can’t see the Cochran campaign getting away with this, provided of course that the allegations are proven.

Some people on Twitter are saying the pastor may have motive to lie. That’s true……. but he’s recorded on audio and video. His name is out there, and people know who he is.

The fact he’s not hiding his identity gives credibility to his story. A lot of credibility. Having said that….. they are still allegations.

cat_owner on July 1, 2014 at 1:23 AM

Doc Holliday on July 1, 2014 at 1:16 AM

walking around money ….aint a new thing
it’s always been hard to build a case..
traditionally its monies given to vote for a Dem..
this was a different case..
would be great if they have a solid case down south…
after reading all the bits posted…
sound like they just might.. :)

going2mars on July 1, 2014 at 1:25 AM

Yep, I hope they bust all the Crooks in Cochran’s camp as far up the food chain as it goes. We’ll see!
Ok, with that I have to go to bed now. See y’all tomorrow.

Doc Holliday on July 1, 2014 at 1:30 AM

Doc Holliday on July 1, 2014 at 1:30 AM

Good night Doc.

cat_owner on July 1, 2014 at 1:32 AM

what if Thomas or Scalia take ill..
Clarence Thomas born in 1948
Antonin Scalia born in 1936

and then Ruthie or Breyer retire..

that could give Barry 2 or 3 shots at this…
can you imagine 3 more Kagens??..
she was born in 1960…
so this could be the last picks for some of us..

going2mars on July 1, 2014 at 1:15 AM

…..here is where I am at: I don’t care WHAT happens as long as COCHRAN LOSES!! There MUST Be Consequences for GOPe behavior and lies!

I was listening to David Webb – who thinks the same way that Glenn Beck does and the same way that most people defecate: In Short, Smelly, Spurts!

He was saying “If we Give The Republicans A Chance To Do The Right Thing…..or do the Wrong thing, THEN we can….blah, blah, blah….”

This is NOT Cronyism – like David Likes – where we give One Group or Another the Chance to be “Queen For A Day” —- this is about DESTROYING ALL of the Cronyism and Establishment Elitist-Ruling-Class Structures!

williamg on July 1, 2014 at 1:32 AM

More on Saleem Baird….oh boy!

d1carter on July 1, 2014 at 1:36 AM

breitbart talked about it on the 17th..
walking around money

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/06/17/Rumors-Of-Impropriety-Swirl-About-Cochran-Allies-Entreaties-To-Democratic-Voters

going2mars on July 1, 2014 at 1:37 AM

williamg on July 1, 2014 at 1:32 AM

Are you aware of the breaking news from this evening?

A black reverend stiffed by the Cochran campaign has exposed an alleged criminal conspiracy by Cochran staffers to commit massive voter fraud ahead of Tuesday’s controversial U.S. Senate Republican runoff election in Mississippi.

Reverend Stevie Fielder, associate pastor at historic First Union Missionary Baptist Church and former official at Meridian’s redevelopment agency, says he delivered “hundreds or even thousands,” of blacks to the polls after being offered money and being assured by a Cochran campaign operative that Chris McDaniel was a racist. “They [the Cochran campaign] told me to offer blacks fifteen dollars each and to vote for Thad.”

http://gotnews.com/

cat_owner on July 1, 2014 at 1:45 AM

williamg on July 1, 2014 at 1:32 AM

today decision at the Courts was 5 to 4…
I am not ready to just give Barry 2 or 3 picks at the Court..
we will loose cases like today for the rest of our lives…
5 to 4… or 6 to 3….forever… on everything…
till my last day…
time to re-write the 2nd amendment…sure…you loose 5 to 4…
time to outlaw churches 1st amendment…sure…you loose 5 to 4..
and on and on…

I get the part where you all want blood…
just don’t forget the next 30 years..
a BHO picked/packed court could run the nation for that long…

going2mars on July 1, 2014 at 1:48 AM

HUGE Cochran story reported tonight on Red State, Breitbart, and The Right Scoop. I’ve posted links but no one seems interested. If you are, check those sites out.
cat_owner on July 1, 2014 at 12:41 AM

I have been, Cat. Interesting cast of characters, but it does need to be taken to the Next Level–arrest and indictment, preferably before next Monday, if I’m not mistaken. There’s a ten-day window to certify the run-off, yes?

Newtie and the Beauty on July 1, 2014 at 12:56 AM

Many are interested, cat_owner. You often get a muted response on QOTD: most of us aren’t here for the news. I’ve been following closely on twitter, made some connects to MS, all were saying there was big stuff coming down. From what I’m hearing through the grapevine, more is coming.

Newtie, I haven’t researched the law myself, but my understanding is the votes will be certified by the counties not later than tomorrow and sent to the state organization. Challenges can be filed thereafter in a window of 2 weeks or ten days, something like that. The word is McDaniel’s guys will file a challenge immediately, but we’ll see. They may pause to digest the latest news and incorporate it in their challenge.

novaculus on July 1, 2014 at 1:55 AM

cat_owner on July 1, 2014 at 1:45 AM

let me ask you this…say
the good Reverend Stevie Fielder stands up and tells the truth,,
a judge would then ..??.. what toss Cochran off the ballot?..
would McDaniel then be placed on that ballot automatically??..
would he have to re-qualify in some way??
what happens if we get to frogmarching day??

going2mars on July 1, 2014 at 1:56 AM

novaculus on July 1, 2014 at 1:55 AM

evening
that’s all good stuffs ty…
sounds like 2 weeks to 10 day shouldn’t be troubles..
that Reverend sounded like he just wants to get paid..
he doesn’t care who.. but someone owes him hes sure of that..

going2mars on July 1, 2014 at 2:01 AM

“They [the Cochran campaign] told me to offer blacks fifteen dollars each and to vote for Thad.”

The disturbing part here is that people can be motivated to do this for the price of four packs of Newports…

PointnClick on July 1, 2014 at 2:02 AM

Harry Reid decided that Hobby Lobby should pay for abortifacients. I think that a few more men joining the fight shouldn’t change things much — right, Harry?

unclesmrgol on July 1, 2014 at 2:02 AM

novaculus on July 1, 2014 at 1:55 AM

Thanks. I was posting those links because the story broke later in the day. However, I realize now many people here are following it closely.

going2mars on July 1, 2014 at 1:56 AM

Sorry but I don’t know. It would depend on MS law. I’m guessing that at the very least the runoff results would be invalid, providing the allegations are proven. Then maybe a special election would be called. I would guess that McDaniel would automatically qualify.

Beyond that, don’t know anything more than you do, but we should get some answers soon. This story isn’t going away, that’s for sure, even if the MSM completely ignores it. In fact, I suspect some conservative sites will ignore it too.

But I do believe the truth will come out.

cat_owner on July 1, 2014 at 2:04 AM

PointnClick on July 1, 2014 at 2:02 AM

evening…4 packs??.. 15 bucks is 2…some places more..
instead of sending the party 100$
we should all just go out and purchase 5 votes at 20$per…

going2mars on July 1, 2014 at 2:05 AM

Will have to see what happens from here. Chuck Johnson is the main guy to follow on Twitter for the latest news.

He’s done an awesome job.

cat_owner on July 1, 2014 at 1:04 AM

He’s also, sadly, taken a buttload of abuse from “our side”.

Follow him on twitter for sure.

kim roy on July 1, 2014 at 1:08 AM

It’s been a very interesting sorting of the conservative side. I’m frankly amazed at some of the people counseling surrender, acceptance, and joining hands with the evil and corrupt Barbour Mob in Mississippi. Kurt Schlichter and Jon Gabriel came at me last night, and although Gabriel backed off, Schlichter started up again this morning and kept it up until I lost patience and smacked him around.

Basically, these guys are so terrified Obama will get a Supreme Court vacancy they are desperate to control the Senate and will do anything and ally with anyone to get it. On the other side are folks who think a line was crossed, by people who exposed their corrupt character and unfitness for office and will not collaborate.

One of the things I pointed out to Schlichter was that Sotomayor and Kagan had both passed with Republican votes so a Republican majority didn’t guarantee them anything.

novaculus on July 1, 2014 at 2:07 AM

cat_owner on July 1, 2014 at 2:04 AM

have you read or heard anything about MS News TV??
is it on TV daily down there?.. just at 6 or 24/7??
I live so far north it would have to break nationally for us to see it on the tele..
I wonder if it is being covered in state …
you would think…heavy…
but then again…its the LSM…

going2mars on July 1, 2014 at 2:10 AM

cat_owner on July 1, 2014 at 2:04 AM

We are conservatives and we follow the news carefully, mostly online…

OmahaConservative on July 1, 2014 at 2:10 AM

OmahaConservative on July 1, 2014 at 2:10 AM

evening..
I can hear the thunder and smell the rains coming….
thanks for sending it my way…

going2mars on July 1, 2014 at 2:16 AM

going2mars on July 1, 2014 at 2:01 AM

The pastor is implying that if McDaniels side doesn’t pony up, the idiot Saleem Baird has realized stiffing him was a bad idea and now wants to pay up… and wipe his phone memory. Apparently he has no fear of criminal prosecution, having admitted to multiple felonies. I’m wondering if he grasps the magnitude of the situation, trying to graft $16K while admitting to felonies.

cat_owner on July 1, 2014 at 2:04 AM

Again, no research, but typically there will be an ruling by the state party on the challenge (in MS the parties run the primaries, not the state). Assuming the state party, controlled by the Barbour Mob, rejects the challenge, McDaniel would file a state court action seeking an invalidation of the results and an order for a new special election.

novaculus on July 1, 2014 at 2:17 AM

going2mars on July 1, 2014 at 2:10 AM

I’m not near MS either. I live at the left coast. But my guess is that even if MS media is following this story, it’s probably not being done in an impartial way.

Among other things, it sure makes McCain look even stupider from trying to defend it today.

I would suggest following Chuck if you want the latest news on the story. He’s done a heroic job.

https://twitter.com/ChuckCJohnson

cat_owner on July 1, 2014 at 2:18 AM

I can hear the thunder and smell the rains coming….
thanks for sending it my way…

going2mars on July 1, 2014 at 2:16 AM

You betcha’
Anytime, ‘bud…

OmahaConservative on July 1, 2014 at 2:20 AM

novaculus on July 1, 2014 at 2:17 AM

Thanks. It’s quite complicated. But since the pastor is admitting to felonies and supposedly has the evidence, doesn’t it demand an investigation?

cat_owner on July 1, 2014 at 2:22 AM

I’m wondering if he grasps the magnitude of the situation, trying to graft $16K while admitting to felonies.
novaculus on July 1, 2014 at 2:17 AM

sounds like the good rev would turn himself in for 16k..

I would also think this isn’t the only place..
if you did this here…you did it somewhere else too..
I would check for chicken in the box picnics like Doc said up thread..

going2mars on July 1, 2014 at 2:25 AM

This is ILLEGAL. This basically warrant a full DOJ investigation into #MSsen. Paying black Democrat voters to vote.

https://twitter.com/ali/status/483784798394408960/photo/1

The smoking gun. Screen shots of email messages.

cat_owner on July 1, 2014 at 2:26 AM

if your trying to buy an state wide election
you just don’t go to one small neighborhood reverend…
your trying to buy the darned thing…go big
I bet a dozen reverends did something similar… for the buck..

going2mars on July 1, 2014 at 2:27 AM

someone should offer other reverends that stand up
whistleblower status protections..

going2mars on July 1, 2014 at 2:28 AM

If this massive story is verified by a second source, the @GOP better release a statement or be implicated. November will suck.

https://twitter.com/ali/status/483809971948101632

cat_owner on July 1, 2014 at 2:31 AM

cat_owner on July 1, 2014 at 2:18 AM

I don’t twitter..
but thanks to all of you I get to see the bits…
and that smoking gun pic….was something…wow..
there must be full electronic records of all that…
why do people use electronic means to communicate during a crime..??
there was a reason for disappearing ink ya know..
swallow the microfilm…
but don’t put it out in the WWW …sheesh

going2mars on July 1, 2014 at 2:36 AM

cat_owner did a good job of hijacking this mellow thread and making it about her issue du jour…

OmahaConservative on July 1, 2014 at 2:40 AM

But since the pastor is admitting to felonies and supposedly has the evidence, doesn’t it demand an investigation?

cat_owner on July 1, 2014 at 2:22 AM

One would think. But it’s Mississippi.

Remember the scandal about the blogger who supposedly broke in to the nursing home to take pics of Cochran’s wife? They arrested 4 men, alleged a conspiracy. One of them was a very prominent TEA Party activist and well respected bank lawyer. They sent 6 cops in 3 cars with lights blazing to arrest him, which they didn’t do with any of the others, even the guy who actually went in. His law practice collapsed; his 3 biggest clients fired him the next day.

He committed suicide. Judging by what I’ve seen, not only did this man likely do nothing illegal, it appears as if absolutely no crime was committed at all.
The charges were fabricated to take advantage of an ugly incident, apparently to get this guy.

The county where the pastor operated is controlled byt the Barbour Mob too.

novaculus on July 1, 2014 at 2:43 AM

going2m

ars on July 1, 2014 at 2:36 AM

Ok. I understand not everyone does social media. So am glad it’s helpful to you and others to see some of what is posted there.

I think law enforcement can retrieve cell and computer records even once they have been deleted, and assume he’s got a lot of very damning evidence.

And speaking of tweets, here is another one you should find interesting. This is from the guy who broke the story:

I will not only help law enforcement officials conduct their investigation; I will testify under penalty of perjury if necessary.

https://twitter.com/ChuckCJohnson/status/483846974660046849

I think the RNC and NRSC will be VERY sorry they ever got involved in propping up an old, senile man just because he would vote the way they told him to.

cat_owner on July 1, 2014 at 2:43 AM

The county where the pastor operated is controlled byt the Barbour Mob too.

novaculus on July 1, 2014 at 2:43 AM

vince foster was unavailable for comment..

going2mars on July 1, 2014 at 2:46 AM

novaculus on July 1, 2014 at 2:43 AM

Wow. Sounds like they completely destroyed an innocent and good man. How heartbreaking and awful for his family.

I heard that his bail was set higher than for people charged with violent crimes. It’s just unreal.

cat_owner on July 1, 2014 at 2:48 AM

I bet a dozen reverends did something similar… for the buck..

going2mars on July 1, 2014 at 2:27 AM

The pastor says as much. That’s the real impact of the claim, he said many others were doing the same thing. He had to stand in line to get his bribe money.

novaculus on July 1, 2014 at 2:49 AM

It’s been a very interesting sorting of the conservative side. I’m frankly amazed at some of the people counseling surrender, acceptance, and joining hands with the evil and corrupt Barbour Mob in Mississippi. Kurt Schlichter and Jon Gabriel came at me last night, and although Gabriel backed off, Schlichter started up again this morning and kept it up until I lost patience and smacked him around.

Basically, these guys are so terrified Obama will get a Supreme Court vacancy they are desperate to control the Senate and will do anything and ally with anyone to get it. On the other side are folks who think a line was crossed, by people who exposed their corrupt character and unfitness for office and will not collaborate.

One of the things I pointed out to Schlichter was that Sotomayor and Kagan had both passed with Republican votes so a Republican majority didn’t guarantee them anything.

novaculus on July 1, 2014 at 2:07 AM

You are 100% correct on fluid R votes. It doesn’t matter if we have 5 more than the dems if 8 will cross over.

And they also seemed to have forgotten Roberts and ObamaCare. You can’t count on anyone to do what they are “supposed” to do.

The only certainty is that if people like Cochran are allowed to be successful, it’s just going to lead to more of it.

Schlichter is busy trying to sell his book. Keep fighting the good fight. :)

kim roy on July 1, 2014 at 2:50 AM

OmahaConservative on July 1, 2014 at 2:40 AM

perhaps a tune…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIrJpeQ-Pgw

going2mars on July 1, 2014 at 2:51 AM

The pastor says as much. That’s the real impact of the claim, he said many others were doing the same thing. He had to stand in line to get his bribe money.

novaculus on July 1, 2014 at 2:49 AM

I wonder if any of the others will talk? Maybe someone will try and strike an immunity deal of some kind.

The plot thickens.

cat_owner on July 1, 2014 at 2:52 AM

going2mars on July 1, 2014 at 2:51 AM

G’night. I am crashing now…

OmahaConservative on July 1, 2014 at 2:54 AM

OmahaConservative on July 1, 2014 at 2:54 AM

Good night. Hope you have sunny weather tomorrow.

cat_owner on July 1, 2014 at 2:58 AM

cat_owner did a good job of hijacking this mellow thread and making it about her issue du jour…

OmahaConservative on July 1, 2014 at 2:40 AM

True. We should be talking about Hobby Lobby and the SCOTUS.

Back on topic, eh?

kim roy on July 1, 2014 at 2:59 AM

I heard that his bail was set higher than for people charged with violent crimes. It’s just unreal.

cat_owner on July 1, 2014 at 2:48 AM

Oh yeah. Bail was a quarter of a million dollars. To be higher, in Mississippi, he’d have to have been a serial killer. There’s a lot more to the story, I just didn’t want to write for an hour..

I strongly encourage people to dig in to this story in Mississippi, it’s got everything. It’s a freaking John Grisham novel on steroids. My personal opinion is that the scale of the corruption is monstrous and its exposure is inevitable.

Cochran is going down. The Barbour Mob is going down. You heard it here first.

g2m, check out a newspaper’s site, the Clarion-Ledger, http://www.clarionledger.com/

Local and good coverage.

novaculus on July 1, 2014 at 3:00 AM

sleep well OC….
thanks again for the storm…its crackin here now..!!

going2mars on July 1, 2014 at 3:00 AM

I hear the horns blowing now…!!
so off to the basement I go..

going2mars on July 1, 2014 at 3:02 AM

Are you aware of the breaking news from this evening?

after being offered money and being assured by a Cochran campaign operative that Chris McDaniel was a racist. “They [the Cochran campaign] told me to offer blacks fifteen dollars each and to vote for Thad.”

http://gotnews.com/

cat_owner on July 1, 2014 at 1:45 AM

My only sincerest hope is that this translates Not ONLY into Such Brutal Tragic humiliation for him that he Never able to show his face in public again – let alone politics…..but that every facet of his life and being are destroyed so that he becomes a disgusting codeine addict living on the streets – allowing himself to be beat-up by people to get money for a fix……but that it also extends to his family – so that this entire family is destroyed……..perhaps some jails, institutions and death……and an elimination of his chromosomes from humanity’s gene pool…..

I get the part where you all want blood…
just don’t forget the next 30 years..
a BHO picked/packed court could run the nation for that long…

going2mars on July 1, 2014 at 1:48 AM

……actually blood doesn’t BEGIN to describe it……..Losing this Seat WON’T Prevent Republicans from taking The Senate – which will be a Senate with The Fear of a Biblical God in their hearts……don’t believe with the RINOs try to use that LIE to vote for them……….I want a Biblical Scorched Earth event………

I want the 10 Plagues of The Bible – Water into Blood, Frog Rain, Locusts…..I want it ALL!!

williamg on July 1, 2014 at 3:02 AM

kim roy on July 1, 2014 at 2:50 AM

I ran Schlichter off by asking him if he had ever actually fought political corruption in court. Turns out he hasn’t, not a big deal really but the query unraveled him a bit and the resulting exchanges were hilarious.

I suggested to him that had he successfully engaged in litigation over political corruption, he might be more sanguine about the prospects.

He fled.

novaculus on July 1, 2014 at 3:07 AM

Nova, Cat,
Thank you for info above.
G, connect back with us as soon as you can to let us know you’re okay. Please.

31giddyup on July 1, 2014 at 3:12 AM

novaculus on July 1, 2014 at 3:07 AM

hehehehehe

Well done.

It’s hard for him (and some others) to see that people like Cochran/Barbour would sell their mothers for a buck and everything, especially their vote, is for sale.

Why would anyone want to go to battle with politicians like that?

The sit down and STFU crowd baffle me, especially ones who should be smarter.

kim roy on July 1, 2014 at 3:13 AM

I wonder if any of the others will talk? Maybe someone will try and strike an immunity deal of some kind.

The plot thickens.

cat_owner on July 1, 2014 at 2:52 AM

I think the next couple of days will be very interesting.

novaculus on July 1, 2014 at 3:13 AM

Cochran is going down. The Barbour Mob is going down. You heard it here first.

g2m, check out a newspaper’s site, the Clarion-Ledger, http://www.clarionledger.com/

Local and good coverage.

novaculus on July 1, 2014 at 3:00 AM

I believe you are correct. You just can’t make this stuff up…. doubt that even the great John Grisham could!

cat_owner on July 1, 2014 at 3:16 AM

I hear the horns blowing now…!!
so off to the basement I go..

going2mars on July 1, 2014 at 3:02 AM

Please check in later so we know you are ok.

cat_owner on July 1, 2014 at 3:18 AM

kim roy on July 1, 2014 at 3:13 AM

Gabriel seems like a good guy, able to disagree amicably, but Schlichter is an arrogant pr!ck who doesn’t make his case but mocks and bullies people who disagree with him. I’m sure he gets a ton of crap from idiots on Twitter, but that’s no excuse for abusive behavior to serious people who just disagree.

In fact, Schlichter catalyzed my first good contact in Mississippi. He had been abusive to her, and when I engaged him she took notice and followed me. She was a great source of local info, and connected me with one of the two guys breaking the news tonight.

novaculus on July 1, 2014 at 3:21 AM

novaculus on July 1, 2014 at 3:21 AM

Might be the lawyer in him. Gabriel writes for somewhere, can’t remember at the moment and too lazy to look.

Glad it was positive overall and met a good con.

Like I said, it baffles me that someone supposedly smart would want to go to battle with people like Barbour/Cochran. Stunning in its naivety.

kim roy on July 1, 2014 at 3:27 AM

Like I said, it baffles me that someone supposedly smart would want to go to battle with people like Barbour/Cochran. Stunning in its naivety.

kim roy on July 1, 2014 at 3:27 AM

Me too. I don’t get it. These people are corrupt and evil, in every sense of the word.

Check this out. The idiot Wicker aide on loan to the Cochran campaign who thought it was a good idea to stiff the middleman in the vote-buying deal. I bet he thought he was going to pocket the money. Now he’s begging the pastor to come and get his pay so he can wipe the pastor’s phone.

NOLA Thugs in Downtown Jackson: Saleem Baird and his Whores

novaculus on July 1, 2014 at 3:43 AM

novaculus on July 1, 2014 at 3:43 AM

The ‘reverend’ is a real sleaze. He is either a liar, or a willing participant in a vote buying scheme.

Either way….. he’s a real loser. Now I guess he’s looking for money from someone else.

I think though that law enforcement can retrieve text messages even if they are deleted? I’m sure they have the ability with computer stuff.

The ‘reverend’ is a real piece of work.

cat_owner on July 1, 2014 at 3:48 AM

thanks you two.. 31 and cat_owner

I am fine now… out of the basement..
we are under the watch till 8am so it’ll be fun..
looks like COL got it too…
hope she got the cat inside first..

going2mars on July 1, 2014 at 3:59 AM

cat_owner on July 1, 2014 at 3:48 AM

You’re not familiar with the culture. This guy is an associate pastor at a big church, a somebody in the community.

He explained it perfectly. No one has a problem with a little handout from the old white guys who will stop the TEA Party Klan and keep the food stamps coming. The pastor was doing an admittedly unlawful thing, but it wasn’t actually wrong because he was fighting for the folk against white devils. Neither were the folks who sallied forth to vote for $15 doing anything wrong, even if it was illegal

He only had second thoughts when he began to distrust the idiot Saleem Baird. He’s only mad because he didn’t get paid. In that world, if the end is the protection of the community, the means are always justified.

novaculus on July 1, 2014 at 4:02 AM

you shook me all night long…. 2 cellos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYOm-_88Kqk

going2mars on July 1, 2014 at 4:04 AM

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