How inevitable is Hillary? She’s defending her Iraq War vote

posted at 6:01 pm on June 30, 2014 by Noah Rothman

After a month of relatively bad press for former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in left-of-center media outlets, there is still no sign of any appetite among Democratic officeholders to mount primary challenge. Some grousing in liberal publications is not translating into a movement to daft a 2016 alternative to Clinton. She must be feeling pretty secure in her position as her party’s presumptive presidential nominee.

How secure, you ask? Secure enough, it seems, to mount a tepid defense of her position on the very issue which cost her the nomination in 2008. Namely, her 2002 vote in support of the Iraq War.

Speaking at the Aspen Ideas Festival on Monday, Clinton was asked about her vote in favor of authoring the Iraq campaign. According to Washington Post National Political Correspondent Phillip Rucker, Clinton seemed to admit that she backtracked on that vote only because of its politically problematic nature.

Striking a tone which reads more like defiance than contrition, Clinton refused to admit that her vote in support of the war was a “mistake.”

Writing in Slate, the liberal columnist Jamelle Bouie notes that Clinton does not seem to have learned any lessons from the rebuke she received at the hands of her party’s primary voters:

But a pat answer isn’t the same as understanding, and looking at her time in the Obama administration, it’s clear Clinton hasn’t actually learned anything important from her Iraq war vote, other than I shouldn’t support wars in Iraq. Indeed, when it comes to other interventions in other countries, Clinton is as hawkish as she ever was.

“We can say a few things about Clinton, and if you’re an intervention skeptic, none of them is good,” he added. “She’s done the minimum and disavowed the debacle in Iraq, but she hasn’t learned from it, and if elected president, she stands poised to make the same mistakes that led us to that disaster in the first place.”

There is no question that progressives are largely unimpressed with Clinton, but polls of prospective Democratic primary voters consistently show that she is set to cruise to the nomination. On issues ranging from economic to foreign policy, however, feelings toward Clinton in her party’s activist left-wing ranges from simmering antipathy toward outright hostility.

Clinton’s efforts to maintain the sense that she is inevitably going to emerge as the party’s 2016 nomination have been minimal, even a little careless. Her nascent campaign seems to believe that lightning cannot strike twice. She may be right, but if she ends up being wrong the seeds of an upset are already germinating.


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Speaking at the Aspen Ideas Festival on Monday, Clinton

Clearly, she was an attendee as she has not a single, new idea to offer…

hillsoftx on June 30, 2014 at 6:06 PM

Hillary on Iraq authorization vote in 08 campaign: “I did a lot of rhetorical distancing, but I didn’t say I made a mistake.”

— Philip Rucker (@PhilipRucker) June 30, 2014

Why doesn’t she point to the fact that her Husband while President, called for Regime Change of Iraq. I think he signed it and everything.

portlandon on June 30, 2014 at 6:07 PM

Shrillary, not sure which way the winds are blowing, claims to be for it and against it before she was against and for it.

Flange on June 30, 2014 at 6:09 PM

I think she should blame the bang on the head, it obviously had consequences.

Sven on June 30, 2014 at 6:10 PM

On issues ranging from economic to foreign policy, however, feelings toward Clinton in her party’s activist left-wing ranges from simmering antipathy toward outright hostility.

They’ll vote for her anyway, if she’s the DNC candidate in ’16, however.

Midas on June 30, 2014 at 6:11 PM

Following the link to the Aspen Ideas Festival, I expected to find at least a summary of Clinton’s remarks. Instead, I found this:

“This is a very personal, very beautiful memoir,” Walter Isaacson tells Hillary Clinton about “Hard Choices” at Aspen Ideas Festival.

Which is clearly not …oh wait, maybe that is a summary of Hillary’s remarks.

Fenris on June 30, 2014 at 6:13 PM

They’ll vote for her anyway, if she’s the DNC candidate in ’16, however.

Midas on June 30, 2014 at 6:11 PM

Hildabeast excites the Democrat base about as much as Jeb Bush excites ours.

ConstantineXI on June 30, 2014 at 6:13 PM

Hildabeast excites the Democrat base about as much as Jeb Bush excites ours.

ConstantineXI on June 30, 2014 at 6:13 PM

The difference is substantively she will further the left’s agenda, and Jeb Bush will also further the left’s agenda. Or maybe that’s not a difference.

Fenris on June 30, 2014 at 6:17 PM

I would never count the Clintons out.

Viator on June 30, 2014 at 6:17 PM

Bombshell:

“Right now I’m feeling like they can all go f**k themselves,” Hillary said, referring to the media.

“I know the country needs us, but they aren’t acting like they deserve us. Just f**k ‘me.

faraway on June 30, 2014 at 6:19 PM

Liz Warren will kick her azz from end of the country to the other
The Hill will not be the nominee, if she is we will kick her azz from one of the country to the other.

Rook on June 30, 2014 at 6:19 PM

How inevitable is Hillary? She’s defending her Iraq War vote

Housekeeping.

Monica Lewinski screwing her husband.
Benghazi.
Voting for invading Iraq.

Bring it all up in 2014 so you can imperiously say these are old issues when you run for office in 2016.

Happy Nomad on June 30, 2014 at 6:20 PM

The difference is substantively she will further the left’s agenda, and Jeb Bush will also further the left’s agenda. Or maybe that’s not a difference.

Fenris on June 30, 2014 at 6:17 PM

I think it’s more like the far left (which dominates the democrat base) believes that Hildabeast will sell them out to sail before the wind (and the poll numbers) like Bill did.

We on the right know that Jeb Bush will run his entire agenda BASED on biased left wing media polls as an excuse to sell the conservative base out.

In many ways both candidates are similar:

1. Both come from Royal Blood
2. Both are heavily Establishment (indeed BOTH establishments)
3. Both think they have a Birthright to the Presidency.
4. Both are disliked by the base of their parties.

ConstantineXI on June 30, 2014 at 6:24 PM

Hildabeast excites the Democrat base about as much as Jeb Bush excites ours.

ConstantineXI on June 30, 2014 at 6:13 PM

..then, if it’s Bush v. Cankles, November 1, 2016 will be like a Super Bowl Sunday in which neither of one’s teams is a favorite. (Seattle v. Denver?) It will be a grand time to go abroad in the land as everyone will be staying home.

The War Planner on June 30, 2014 at 6:25 PM

..then, if it’s Bush v. Cankles, November 1, 2016 will be like a Super Bowl Sunday in which neither of one’s teams is a favorite. (Seattle v. Denver?) It will be a grand time to go abroad in the land as everyone will be staying home.

The War Planner on June 30, 2014 at 6:25 PM

Bush III vs Cankles would have all the appeal of a 0-0 soccer game into it’s 9th overtime.

ConstantineXI on June 30, 2014 at 6:29 PM

Wasn’t Hillary! “inevitable” in 2008?

GarandFan on June 30, 2014 at 6:30 PM

I think it’s more like the far left (which dominates the democrat base) believes that Hildabeast will sell them out to sail before the wind (and the poll numbers) like Bill did…

ConstantineXI on June 30, 2014 at 6:24 PM

She may do some of that if she has to. But for the left it’s always two steps forward and only one step back. And still they whine. The institutions that make this country work are undermined, and the lefties don’t understand why thinks don’t work as they used to, and so then they whine even more.

Fenris on June 30, 2014 at 6:30 PM

4. Both are disliked by the base of their parties.

ConstantineXI on June 30, 2014 at 6:24 PM

..I agree with your assertions but, to be fair, I don’t dislike Jeb Bush (just like I didn’t dislike “W”) but I will not vote for him. I do, however, dislike Cankles with a white-hot passion.

Like when Churchill was told by some old battleaxe that “[he] was a horrid man and, if he were her husband, [she] would give him poison in his tea.”

“Madam,” Churchill responded, “If I were your husband, I would drink it.”

The War Planner on June 30, 2014 at 6:30 PM

Bush III vs Cankles would have all the appeal of a 0-0 soccer game into it’s 9th overtime.

ConstantineXI on June 30, 2014 at 6:29 PM

..the very definition of petrification.

The War Planner on June 30, 2014 at 6:32 PM

“Madam,” Churchill responded, “If I were your husband, I would drink it.”

The War Planner on June 30, 2014 at 6:30 PM

We could sure use a Churchill right now.

ConstantineXI on June 30, 2014 at 6:33 PM

going to be hilarious watching her debate Valerie Jarrett

DanMan on June 30, 2014 at 6:37 PM

The difference is substantively she will further the left’s agenda, and Jeb Bush will also further the left’s agenda. Or maybe that’s not a difference.

Fenris on June 30, 2014 at 6:17 PM

Well, it’s not a difference for the left anyway.

HiJack on June 30, 2014 at 6:42 PM

We could sure use a Churchill right now.

ConstantineXI on June 30, 2014 at 6:33 PM

I thought I’d never think this, let alone say it, but I’d take a Carter right now over the traitor we’re having to deal with these past few years. Yuck! That tasted AWFUL!

HiJack on June 30, 2014 at 6:44 PM

BROKE:

We’re Broke, We’re Struggling

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpkpCxUe-mg&list=PLJkBoBxl74uhOhgMAbAJk6g4npeWOzqLl&index=4

canopfor on June 30, 2014 at 6:57 PM

Its 3:00AM,. somewhere in Benghazi:

Hillary Clinton Ad – 3 AM White House Ringing Phone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yr7odFUARg

canopfor on June 30, 2014 at 7:00 PM

Does anyone have a fork, cause she needs one stuck in her, she is done.

Johnnyreb on June 30, 2014 at 7:08 PM

Obama’s Third Term:

Unity

Published on Jun 27, 2014

http://www.GOP.com
*******************

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PDq2Vf5ass&list=UU3o7kbpTUQ5-0WTMIp8sVwA

canopfor on June 30, 2014 at 7:15 PM

Why Hillary Clinton should run for an Obama third term

Obama is seen as a drag on a potential Clinton ticket. But the unfinished business of the center-left is where the votes are.
June 16 2014
*************

Conventional wisdom has it that President Obama’s middling poll numbers will be a drag on Hillary Clinton’s presumed march toward the presidency. The idea is that Clinton will have to somehow detach herself from Obama’s legacy, because, as Ross Douthat at The New York Times put it, “political skill builds majorities, but popular policy successes cement them — and that is what has consistently eluded Obama.” Or as Damon Linker argued at The Week, “she can’t offer more of the same, because no one wants that.”

Yet when it comes to the kind of domestic policy platform we can expect from a Clinton candidacy, it may be anything but a shift away from Obama. Instead, it will look a lot like a third Obama term, focusing on areas that should still have enormous popular appeal come 2016.

Over his first six years in office, Obama has followed through on significant promises advancing a center-left agenda.

A Clinton candidacy will aim to consolidate these gains and build upon them.
(More…….)
==============

http://theweek.com/article/index/263109/why-hillary-clinton-should-run-for-an-obama-third-term

canopfor on June 30, 2014 at 7:21 PM

How inevitable is Hillary? She’s defending her Iraq War vote

Alternate headline: President Obama has made it safe for Democrats to be for the Iraq War again.

Seriously, as badly as Obama has screwed up Iraq, being against the Iraq War suddenly doesn’t look all that great after all — even to many liberals.

They’re just sputtering too hard to say so, right now.

There Goes the Neighborhood on June 30, 2014 at 7:22 PM

It appears Herself will not have the endorsement of ValJar, Moochie, or that guy in the White House.

Who will they endorse? If ANY black guy enters the primary race against Herself, will the black community ever forgive Barry if he doesn’t endorse that person?

slickwillie2001 on June 30, 2014 at 7:27 PM

4. Both are disliked by the base of their parties.

ConstantineXI on June 30, 2014 at 6:24 PM

..I agree with your assertions but, to be fair, I don’t dislike Jeb Bush (just like I didn’t dislike “W”) but I will not vote for him. I do, however, dislike Cankles with a white-hot passion.

Like when Churchill was told by some old battleaxe that “[he] was a horrid man and, if he were her husband, [she] would give him poison in his tea.”

“Madam,” Churchill responded, “If I were your husband, I would drink it.”

The War Planner on June 30, 2014 at 6:30 PM

Jeb Bush is a good man. That alone puts him miles ahead of Hillary.

But as long as he’s infected with the Bush disease — pander to the left while refusing to stand for the right — he’s just about as useless for the presidency. There’s not much point in electing a Republican president who’s just going to be a sucker and a mark.

If Bush 41 had been able to stand up to the left, he’d have been a two-term president, and nobody would have heard of Bill Clinton.

There Goes the Neighborhood on June 30, 2014 at 7:31 PM

We could sure use a Churchill right now.

ConstantineXI on June 30, 2014 at 6:33 PM

And a Patton. WWPD?

ROCnPhilly on June 30, 2014 at 7:32 PM

The drunken sot won’t be able to put together a coherent sentence by 2016.. She’s in the later stages of chronic alcoholism, and in the last couple of years, the damage is rapid and quite evident.

Please nominate her, libiots.

bimmcorp on June 30, 2014 at 7:42 PM

How inevitable is Hillary? She’s defending her Iraq War vote

…pretty soon…she’ll be running…on her “looks”!

JugEarsButtHurt on June 30, 2014 at 7:45 PM

Some grousing in liberal publications

is not the character assassination frenzy that would have occured if a republican had said these things. So this really isn’t much of a story, is it?

ROCnPhilly on June 30, 2014 at 8:14 PM

I think Hillary has gone as stale as last Saturday’s glazed donuts.
Obama stole her thunder back in 2008 and she has done nothing but rust since then. It fairly obvious she’s not real excited about hitting the road for a two year campaign and she’s got nothing. I expect her to drop the whole thing before Christmas.

Wallythedog on June 30, 2014 at 8:16 PM

“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.”
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

VorDaj on June 30, 2014 at 8:37 PM

In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

VorDaj on June 30, 2014 at 9:10 PM

Back in 2008, the election was hers to lose and she found a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. It looks like we have more of the same here with her approval ratings nose diving like her book sales. Maybe she would be better served as being a talking head without an elected position. Then she could receive as much bootlicking as her personality needs (and absolutely has to have) without having to prove to the electorate that she has something to offer.

geezerintraining on July 1, 2014 at 12:47 PM