What’s in a (Amerindian) name? Let’s ask the Army.

posted at 11:01 am on June 29, 2014 by Jazz Shaw

I know what you’re thinking. Good Lord, not another Washington Redskins racism story. I can relate to that feeling, since I’ve been sick of the subject since I first heard of it as a young man. Well, fear not… it may have started there, but today we’ll jog off on an interesting side path which has cropped up. It isn’t just sports teams which use names associated with indigenous Americans – far from it – and Dr. James Joyner highlights one example which is right in front of our faces… at least if you’re anywhere near an Army base. He references a piece by Simon Waxman, who argues that the US Army is slurring Native Americans with the names of our helicopters.

In the United States today, the names Apache, Comanche, Chinook, Lakota, Cheyenne and Kiowa apply not only to Indian tribes but also to military helicopters. Add in the Black Hawk, named for a leader of the Sauk tribe. Then there is the Tomahawk, a low-altitude missile, and a drone named for an Indian chief, Gray Eagle. Operation Geronimo was the end of Osama bin Laden.

Joyner starts from the same default position that I do; that naming a war craft after someone is not an insult, but an honor. However, Waxman takes that starting point and twists it in a different direction.

I’ve known for 30 years that we named Army helicopters after Indian tribes. It never once struck me as problematic, much less offensive. Like Daniel Snyder, owner of the Washington Redskins, it’s always seemed obvious that the names were intended to honor rather than demean. Indeed, Waxman concedes that it’s so. Alas, he argues,

Why do we name our battles and weapons after people we have vanquished? For the same reason the Washington team is the Redskins and my hometown Red Sox go to Cleveland to play the Indians and to Atlanta to play the Braves: because the myth of the worthy native adversary is more palatable than the reality — the conquered tribes of this land were not rivals but victims, cheated and impossibly outgunned…

It is worse than denial; it is propaganda. The message carried by the word Apache emblazoned on one of history’s great fighting machines is that the Americans overcame an opponent so powerful and true that we are proud to adopt its name. They tested our mettle, and we proved stronger, so don’t mess with us.

I’m sorry, but this seems like utter nonsense. When we named one of our most recent aircraft carriers the George H. W. Bush, were we seeking to demean and insult the former President? When we name our nuclear submarines (and formerly battleships) after states, are we saying they are terrible places to live? (Okay.. in the case of the USS Illinois you may have a point.)

I believe the military maintains a long held respect for the Amerindian nations we faced in battle in the nation’s early days. Massively outgunned in terms of weapons and other technology, many of them fought fiercely and achieved legendary status. The Army has a long tradition of paying respect to those who have fought valiantly and honorably against us.

And further, it’s not as if these are derogatory names… they are the actual names of the tribes as translated into English. I can, to a point, understand that the term “redskin” is described as a pejorative, so there will be people who have a problem with it. But Iroquois is a nation. You can imagine that we might decide to name a class of aircraft “The Irish” but we wouldn’t call them the drunken paddies. We don’t tend to name a lot of things after African tribes, but I can’t imagine people being offended by using The Tzambaro for a class of jet fighters, while we wouldn’t consider slapping the n-word on them.

Accusing the Army of being insulting to the native tribes through the naming of helicopters looks like a case of Waxman digging too hard to find something to complain about. And as Joyner points out in an update, the tribes don’t seem that upset either.

Wafts of the earthy aroma of wild sage filled the air as Oglala Medicine Man Roy Stone offered a prayer, blessed the South Dakota National Guards newest aircraft, the UH-72A Lakota Light Utility Helicopter, then tied an eagle feather onto it.

Native American Veterans groups from across the state stood sentry as more than 600 people watched the dedication ceremony that was held in sacred He Sapa (Black Hills) with the image of Crazy Horse one of greatest Lakota warriors to ever walk Ina Maka (Mother Earth) as a backdrop.

During the ceremony the new Delta Company, 1/112th Aviation Company of the National Guard unveiled an official patch that also honors the heritage of South Dakota Native people.

That seems to be the point, guys.


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Army Aviators know the name on their aircraft serves nothing but to honor those Americans they are named after.

UH60 Black Hawk.

hawkdriver on June 29, 2014 at 11:05 AM

In order to not offend a single “native American”, we must erase their existence from our lexicon.

They must become the people who’s name shall not be mentioned.

“Custer’s last stand was actually a mass suicide. One of the weirdest events in the history of the US Army.”

BobMbx on June 29, 2014 at 11:05 AM

I’m sorry, but this seems like utter nonsense. When we named one of our most recent aircraft carriers the George H. W. Bush, were we seeking to demean and insult the former President?

Obviously. It was meant to convey that it was an unpopular, old and feeble ship, barely able to move on its own, and is likely to soon collapse. What did you think it meant when we named it after him? /s

Stoic Patriot on June 29, 2014 at 11:06 AM

The Army has a long tradition of paying respect to those who have fought valiantly and honorably against us.

Oh, and that clearly means that naming the ship the USS George HW Bush is a way for the military to show that it regards him to be a traitor to his country. /

Stoic Patriot on June 29, 2014 at 11:09 AM

In order to not offend a single “native American”, we must erase their existence from our lexicon.
….

BobMbx on June 29, 2014 at 11:05 AM

Sadly, so much truth. The Redskins, whether in DC or in Oxford Ohio, treated native Americans with respect and with an honor towards their spirit and courage. Now we can simply forget about them.

CW on June 29, 2014 at 11:09 AM

Named in honor of the Sauk leader Makataimeshekiakiak. Black Hawk.

hawkdriver on June 29, 2014 at 11:11 AM

God knows how much I loathe these people. My utter disdain is for anyone who so easily is “OFFENDED”. If ever there were a word I would strike from the English language it is Offend. Does that offend anyone? Ha!

D-fusit on June 29, 2014 at 11:12 AM

I’m sorry, but this seems like utter nonsense.

Why sorry? It is utter nonsense, isn’t it?

MTF on June 29, 2014 at 11:13 AM

The same picture another website used?

Don’t y’all have any of your own pics of neat machines?

This was supposed to be solved long ago. Back before the AH-64 was named Apache.

cozmo on June 29, 2014 at 11:17 AM

just a small point…
that picture on this thread is not a D rev apache..
the AH64D has a donut on top…
(half height millimeter wave guide radar)
as shown here..
http://www.guncopter.com/apache-longbow/

going2mars on June 29, 2014 at 11:17 AM

After the Comanche acquired the horse from the Spanish, they actually had superior technology in fights with Spanish and anglo settlers. They could fire far more shots off with a bow than the European settlers could with their Kentucky rifles and muskets. For 100 years, the Comanches kept the Spanish and then Mexican settlers from penetrating further into Texas, which is one reason the Mexican government allowed Austin’s colony to settle there.

Until the invention off the Walker Colt and repeating rifles, the Comanche ruled much of Texas and freely raided all the way down into the Yucatan.

juliesa on June 29, 2014 at 11:20 AM

impossibly outgunned

Paging Colonel George Armstrong Custer, please pick up the white courtesy phone.

Apparently you were not outgunned.

I R A Darth Aggie on June 29, 2014 at 11:20 AM

There is a major leap trying to compare Washington’s NFL franchise and Army helicopters. Maybe if the unit patches carried caricatures, you want to do something about that. But they are not there to make money off of a derogatory name. Nor are you going to see one of the helicopters arrested for beating up a hooker.

Zaggs on June 29, 2014 at 11:20 AM

I’m still for renaming the Redskins the “Washington Scalpers.”

Should any PC types get self-righteously offended just tell them it meant Ticketmaster…

viking01 on June 29, 2014 at 11:21 AM

Amerindian?

American Indian.

PS The morons forgot the 2nd Infantry Division SSI and nickname (Indian Head), 32nd Infantry Division SSI and nickname (Red Arrow), 36th Infantry Division SSI (arrowhead), 45th Infantry Division SSI and nickname (Thunderbird), 86th Infantry Division SSI and nickname (Black Hawk), and the 98th Infantry Division SSI and nickname (Iroquois)

formwiz on June 29, 2014 at 11:22 AM

I’m sorry, but this seems like utter nonsense. When we named one of our most recent aircraft carriers the George H. W. Bush, were we seeking to demean and insult the former President?

Clearly the intent was that the shop is meant to deploy into its theatre via parachute.

Duhh.

Defenestratus on June 29, 2014 at 11:23 AM

There will always be someone out there looking for some reason to be offended. Waxman probably thought to himself, “Here’s a twist no one thought about…I’m going to sound positively BRILLIANT!” Idiot.

iowapatriot on June 29, 2014 at 11:24 AM

No, we must not attach Indian names to anything alive and/or current. The names belong to essentially a dead culture and must, out of respect for that, be relegated to history books and history books alone.

Why? Because, well, because one person somewhere might, just might become offended by it, even if they aren’t quite sure why that might be.

I remain confused, however. When did it become a right, and a sacred one at that, to not be offended, and give the poor offended the ability to impose their vision on the other 99.44% of us..??

I’m an Army vet and spent 13 months in Iraq. I’ve flown in Blackhawks and Chinooks and have watched the awesome firepower of Apaches. If I were of Indian descent, I’d be proud that my tribe’s name was associated with such fearsome weapons of war.

NeoCon_1 on June 29, 2014 at 11:24 AM

The US military names aircraft, ships to honor both American victories and heroes, as well as states, cities, tribes, etc. That includes American Indian nations who once fought against the United States. We have had ships like USS Chancellorsville commemorating a Confederate victory over the US Army and Fort A.P. Hill (the Rebs were Americans) and helicopters like the Apache honoring a hostile tribe (the Apaches were Americans too). Strangely, I think the Navy even honors outright defeats by foreign powers: USS Savo Island, USS Bataan. Can you imagine a French warship named after the Battle of Waterloo?

This naming policy never was a problem until the PC Cadets arrived. Telling them to bugger off works wonders, but this is what happens when you give them control of the federal government.

spiritof61 on June 29, 2014 at 11:25 AM

Apache’s blow up bad people I would think that’s a compliment.

sorrowen on June 29, 2014 at 11:25 AM

Do indians want to be known as the only group more delicate than gay Americans? Or, can we continue using their name and images as symbols of strength and respect. Pick your legacy.

Dongemaharu on June 29, 2014 at 11:26 AM

Nor are you going to see one of the helicopters arrested for beating up a hooker.

Zaggs on June 29, 2014 at 11:20 AM

lol

hawkdriver on June 29, 2014 at 11:26 AM

as far as the redskins go…

sell percentages of the team to native tribes..
move the team out of DC to Oklahoma (red man)
and change the name.. but not the redskin part..
The Oklahoma Redskins (red man – redskins)
no one would sue a brave proud tribe of red men
for calling themselves redskins.. done

going2mars on June 29, 2014 at 11:26 AM

The most famous Army helicopter is the UH-1 Iroquois. Known as the Huey.

Mike Morrissey on June 29, 2014 at 11:26 AM

My sarcasm alert did not show up on the above post. If anybody missed it, it’s dripping all over the top few comments in my post.

NeoCon_1 on June 29, 2014 at 11:26 AM

It is worse than denial; it is propaganda. The message carried by the word Apache emblazoned on one of history’s great fighting machines is that the Americans overcame an opponent so powerful and true that we are proud to adopt its name. They tested our mettle, and we proved stronger, so don’t mess with us.

Lets test your theory, Nostrils.

UH60 Nazi

CVN 72 TOJO Class

F-45 “Capone”

And, of course, the M1A6 “Bin Laden” main battle tank

BobMbx on June 29, 2014 at 11:27 AM

He references a piece by Simon Waxman, who argues that the US Army is slurring Native Americans with the names of our helicopters

…is he related to Henry Waxman of California?

JugEarsButtHurt on June 29, 2014 at 11:28 AM

Maybe what we should do as a society is remove all references to the so-called “native Americans”. Along with the tax-free status they enjoy for their reservations and casinos.

Getting a little tired of this nonsense…

BKeyser on June 29, 2014 at 11:28 AM

Perhaps I’ve missed it in reading the coverage of this piece, but nowhere have I seen the obvious mentioned: these Native American tribes are American. As in, with these names we honor the history of our fellow citizens. Same reason why you can visit Ft. Lee and Ft. A.P. Hill.

DaveatGarfieldRidge on June 29, 2014 at 11:29 AM

Operation Geronimo was not the name of the mission to kill bin Laden. It was Operation Neptune Spear. (In the interest of fairness, nearly every special operations organization had a running operation name for their plan to take out UBL. Because the SEALs were chosen, ONS was the operation put into play.)

Each step of the operation had a code word, which was said aloud for confirmation to the rest of the team that it had been accomplished. Step 7 was the kill/capture of the target, thus the code word started with the 7th letter of the alphabet, therefore Geronimo. I don’t know that the other letters chosen were also for Indian leaders (like C for Cochise), but Geronimo was never the name of the operation, nor the code name associated with bin Laden.

Sgt Steve on June 29, 2014 at 11:30 AM

Rename team to the “Washington Waffen SS” because we always honor our enemies.

The Vikings should be changed to the “Minnesota Viet Cong” and considering how communist this state is, it’s apt.

Bishop on June 29, 2014 at 11:31 AM

Also, artillery pieces are generally given working names derived from European history…the M109 Paladin, the (canceled) XM2001 Crusader, the M982 Excalibur artillery round.

Trust me, it takes every ounce of strength to keep my sense of rage tamped down.

Sgt Steve on June 29, 2014 at 11:35 AM

The Vikings should be changed to the “Minnesota Viet Cong” and considering how communist this state is, it’s apt.

Bishop on June 29, 2014 at 11:31 AM

I’d say that if you’re in MN and want people to fear you, the name of your team should be the “Minnesota Lutefisks

BobMbx on June 29, 2014 at 11:36 AM

I wonder?… are the ospreys offended? Or hornets?

Will eagles soon be standing in line to file a grievance?

viking01 on June 29, 2014 at 11:42 AM

If they named a destroyer the U.S.S. Waxman, he would parade that around as a badge of honor…

What a phony…

right2bright on June 29, 2014 at 11:42 AM

“They will never be forgotten while we still speak their name.”

The highest honor to be given an enemy is to honor them for their bravery and integrity. Only Soldiers can do this for soldiers.

Waxman shows that he is neither a soldier nor of honor.

To this day I can walk the streets of HC in Viet Nam and receive more respect then in Washington DC.

Don’t feed this Waxman Crap to me. I did my job with integrity. I am a SOLDIER.

jpcpt03 on June 29, 2014 at 11:46 AM

If they named a destroyer the U.S.S. Waxman, he would parade that around as a badge of honor…

What a phony…

right2bright on June 29, 2014 at 11:42 AM

Just don’t name it the Henry Waxman or the bow will have nostrils and nose hair in place of anchors.

viking01 on June 29, 2014 at 11:48 AM

Wait, so am I racist for owning a Winnegabo?

iurockhead on June 29, 2014 at 11:48 AM

Oops. Winnebago.

iurockhead on June 29, 2014 at 11:49 AM

BobMbx on June 29, 2014 at 11:36 AM

do you name the team to fear the opponent
or to represent and reflect the city..

should the ’49ers’ be ‘the rainbow bathhouse boys’??
there isn’t a bear or lion within 100 miles of Chicago or Detroit..
so maybe the ‘Chicago gang bangers of death’ and the ‘Detroit crack heads’..??

going2mars on June 29, 2014 at 11:49 AM

And yet the ‘Democrats’ still have no problem with their party name. The name democrat is synonymous with slavery and oppression.

Maybe keeping the name democrat is their way of harking back to the good ole days of the 1850′s deep south that they love so much. You know, listening to their plantation slaves sing songs while they worked to keep ‘massah’ rich and in power, telling the slaves that they should be happy to be in the care of their ever mindful white masters who fed them, gave them shelter and clothes, because they obviously couldn’t care for themselves alone. Sort of like what one sees today in many respects. Those were truly happy times for democrats. If I was a democrat and felt such a love of slavery as they evidently still do today, I guess I wouldn’t want to change names either.

markingermany on June 29, 2014 at 11:51 AM

Isn’t the observation that Amerinds were pushovers demeaning to them in itself?

Military guys don’t usually use the ‘official’ names, anyway. The B-52 (Stratofortress) is a ‘BUF’ – don’t ask – , the F-105 (Thunderstreak) is a ‘Thud’, and so on.

And as far as the Redskins go, I still say rename ‘em the ‘Washington Blackbirds’ (there are six current NFL teams with ‘bird’ names), with a note about being careful what you ask for because you may get it.

PersonFromPorlock on June 29, 2014 at 11:52 AM

So they want to rename the helicopter “Whirly Peace Machine”???

Political correctness is for the same idiots that consider hashtags an actual weapon against armed terrorists.

landlines on June 29, 2014 at 11:52 AM

Am I understanding the (D) argument correctly that these things (and sports teams) should only be named after white men?

rogerb on June 29, 2014 at 11:53 AM

I’m still for renaming the Redskins the “Washington Scalpers.”

Should any PC types get self-righteously offended just tell them it meant Ticketmaster…

viking01 on June 29, 2014 at 11:21 AM

Been arguing for that name since the beginning of this faux imbroglio. The name would aptly describe the inhabitants of the bureaucracy and congress and the current administration who perform that ritual on us every single day.

TXUS on June 29, 2014 at 11:56 AM

then tied an eagle feather onto it.

which I would be arrested for doing.
the “tribes” need to decide, they are either us citizens or aren’t. and if they choose no we treat them like enemies.

dmacleo on June 29, 2014 at 11:58 AM

Waxman doesn’t think Jim Thorpe is a proud red man??

James Francis “Jim” Thorpe (Sac and Fox (Sauk): Wa-Tho-Huk, translated as “Bright Path”;[1] May 28, 1888 – March 28, 1953)[2] was an American athlete of Native American and European ancestry.

going2mars on June 29, 2014 at 11:59 AM

The Redskins could also be renamed the Anacostia Carjackers.

Too close to truth both geographically and culturally.

viking01 on June 29, 2014 at 11:59 AM

Okay… How about renaming them the “Casino Entitlements”?

viking01 on June 29, 2014 at 12:01 PM

Am I allowed to be offended by the seasonal Walleye spearing by the tribes up on Lake Mille Lacs, because the stocks of the world’s greatest fish are pummeled by that “traditional” rite.

If I speared thousands of fish the DNR would take everything I own; boat, trailer, truck, tackle, dog, you name it.

Bishop on June 29, 2014 at 12:03 PM

Exactly my take on it, lol.

In order to not offend a single “native American”, we must erase their existence from our lexicon.

They must become the people who’s name shall not be mentioned.

“Custer’s last stand was actually a mass suicide. One of the weirdest events in the history of the US Army.”

BobMbx on June 29, 2014 at 11:05 AM

Recon5 on June 29, 2014 at 12:04 PM

ATTENTION: Please surrender your “Indian” motorcycles to the nearest scrap yard….That is all.

tanked59 on June 29, 2014 at 12:05 PM

can we all agree that any federally paid employee
that wastes tax payer money on the name
of a privately owned professional sports team
should be removed from office..?

going2mars on June 29, 2014 at 12:14 PM

‘Tis but thy name that is my enemy;
Thou art thyself, though not a Montague.
What’s Montague? it is nor hand, nor foot,
Nor arm, nor face, nor any other part
Belonging to a man. O, be some other name!
What’s in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet;
So Romeo would, were he not Romeo call’d,
Retain that dear perfection which he owes
Without that title. Romeo, doff thy name,
And for that name which is no part of thee
Take all myself.

Wm. Shakespeare
Romeo & Juliet
1600

bimmcorp on June 29, 2014 at 12:14 PM

What did you think it meant when we named it after him? /s

Stoic Patriot on June 29, 2014 at 11:06 AM

That it would not only fly airplanes, but jump out of them when it’s 90. :)

Buck Farky on June 29, 2014 at 12:15 PM

Has “Red Man” chewing tobacco lost it’s trademark, too??

bimmcorp on June 29, 2014 at 12:16 PM

I’d say that if you’re in MN and want people to fear you, the name of your team should be the “Minnesota Lutefisks“

BobMbx on June 29, 2014 at 11:36 AM

Every game would be won by forfeit. Any sane person would want nothing to do with that.

wifarmboy on June 29, 2014 at 12:17 PM

In order to not offend a single “native American”, we must erase their existence from our lexicon.

They must become the people who’s name shall not be mentioned.

….

BobMbx on June 29, 2014 at 11:05 AM

And that is the irony of it all.

Buck Farky on June 29, 2014 at 12:17 PM

God help us when it comes to the “Religion of the Perceptually Offended”.

GarandFan on June 29, 2014 at 12:17 PM

Absolutely frightening that Native Americans showed up to dedicate this new oppressive aircraft. Alas, they have been so oppressed by oppressive white people that they don’t even realize when they’re being oppressively downtrodden (or is it downtroddenly oppressed?). Clearly, the federal government should allocate a few billion more in anti-oppression funds to help these poor indigenous oppressed people to recognize when they’re being oppressed and demand appropriate compensation. For the oppression, I mean.

morganfrost on June 29, 2014 at 12:20 PM

Somewhat related:

Kit Carson Park in New Mexico renamed over American Indian concerns

…..Council member Fritz Hahn said one American Indian activist felt uncomfortable in the park, which is named after someone who egregiously hurt her people. “We have got to heal the wreckage of the past, and Kit Carson is part of that,” Hahn said

Carson, who died in in 1868, is buried in the cemetery at the park and his name is all over Taos. He largely is known as an explorer, trapper, soldier and American Indian agent…..
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/06/13/kit-carson-park-in-new-mexico-renamed-over-american-indian-concerns/?intcmp=obnetwork

Now… there may be a few 175 year old Aboriginal-Americans running around who have good reason to hate Kit Carson personally….

But … Kit Carson hated ‘Aboriginal-Americans’ so much that he married one.

And while some of the situations he was put in charge of, made a few tribes quite unhappy, overall he did them a whole lot more good than bad.

He even used his own scant money to see that they were fed, clothed and sheltered where the FEDS sent them, and paid for the transportation of several Chiefs and Elders to go to D.C. To talk with the President and Congress about their sad situation.

Dang activists. Of course you gotta expect such weaselly kowtowing crap out of Taos, the farthest left town in NM. (even further left than lefty Santa Fe)

LegendHasIt on June 29, 2014 at 12:21 PM

My semantics teacher used to say the word is not the thing. You can call something anything you like. It’s just a word. Socialists know how to use words to manipulate.

The tribes used to give themselves names of an animal that made them feel more powerful. I can’t remember the word for that.

crankyoldlady on June 29, 2014 at 12:21 PM

Somebody or group is trying remove American Indians from US history and culture….

albill on June 29, 2014 at 12:23 PM

Okay.. in the case of the USS Illinois you may have a point

USS New Jersey? At least as corrupt as Illinois but, that corruption is more densely packed in a much smaller state.

oldernwiser on June 29, 2014 at 12:24 PM

You know, listening to their plantation slaves sing songs while they worked to keep ‘massah’ rich and in power, telling the slaves that they should be happy to be in the care of their ever mindful white masters who fed them, gave them shelter and clothes, because they obviously couldn’t care for themselves alone.

markingermany on June 29, 2014 at 11:51 AM

Truly, one of the most beautiful sounds on earth, plantation slave songs at sunset…

My, how history repeats itself.

Harbingeing on June 29, 2014 at 12:26 PM

The tribes used to give themselves names of an animal that made them feel more powerful. I can’t remember the word for that.

crankyoldlady on June 29, 2014 at 12:21 PM

On a rainy day, a little Indian from a tribe goes to his chief and asks, “Chief, how do you name all the people of our tribe?”

The Chief replies,”Oh, it quite easy. When baby born, I look first thing I see moving in wilderness, and name baby just that.”

“How so?” asks the Indian.

“Well,” replies the Chief, “if I see coyote running in field, I name baby Running Coyote, if I see bull sit, I name baby Sitting Bull.”

“Oh, I see now” says the Indian.

Then the Chief turns to the Indian and says, “Well, why do you ask, Two Dogs Vucking?”

VegasRick on June 29, 2014 at 12:28 PM

Truly, one of the most beautiful sounds on earth, plantation slave songs at sunset…

My, how history repeats itself.

Harbingeing on June 29, 2014 at 12:26 PM

All of the gunfire is a little annoying though……………..

VegasRick on June 29, 2014 at 12:30 PM

Okay.. in the case of the USS Illinois you may have a point

USS New Jersey? At least as corrupt as Illinois but, that corruption is more densely packed in a much smaller state.

oldernwiser on June 29, 2014 at 12:24 PM

Battleships trying to put cement shoes on each other?

viking01 on June 29, 2014 at 12:30 PM

As others have suggested let’s remove all American Indian names from our collective vocabularies. Then we can forget they ever existed since there can not any reference(s) to them.

Why do people insist “Native American” refers exclusively to those that immigrated from Siberia? What about the early Europeans and Asians?

JohnFLob on June 29, 2014 at 12:35 PM

I love how these people like to insert words from the language of the people they are honoring to show their empathy. I doubt Waxman has ever been to a Lakota ceremony. In the paragraph

more than 600 people watched the dedication ceremony that was held in sacred He Sapa (Black Hills)

he tries to introduce us to a word from the Lakota language. However the actual words should be: Kȟe Sapa or Paha Sapa. Paha Sapa are the words most frequently heard in SD.

duggersd on June 29, 2014 at 12:35 PM

crankyoldlady on June 29, 2014 at 12:21 PM

glad you enjoyed the plumbing help I sent you.. :)
hope it cheered you up…

going2mars on June 29, 2014 at 12:37 PM

If the Redskins really want to cause a riot rename themselves the “Ethanol Intolerant.”

(ducks and runs)

viking01 on June 29, 2014 at 12:42 PM

VegasRick on June 29, 2014 at 12:28 PM

A missionary is walking with an Indian chief, and in an effort to teach him English, the chief points out items along the way and then asks “what’s that called?”. The missionary would answer.

Pointing to a sprawling green expanse of land, the chief said “what’s that”, and the answer came, “meadow”…the chief grunted. Passing a fresh running trickle of water, the chief said, “what’s that”, and the missionary replied, “stream”…another grunt.

As they came upon a young Indian youth mounting a naked Indian girl, the chief asked, “what’s THAT??”…Flustered and embarrassed, the missionary stammered, “umm, that’s a man riding a bicycle…”

The chief calmly took an arrow from his quiver, loaded it in his bow and shot the young Indian guy square in the back. The quite startled and shocked missionary exclaimed, “my God, man, why did you do that?!?!?”

The chief replied… “My bicycle”……

bimmcorp on June 29, 2014 at 12:43 PM

I am sure waxman has these names on his target list..

Congressional Black Caucus
United Negro Collage Fund
National Association for Advancement of Colored People
Black Entertainment Television

some clear violations of the ‘proud to be of color’
prog rules there..

I suggest some small changes..
congressional other than white people caucus
united non-white collage fund
national association for the advancement of non white people
TV for anybody but whites..

going2mars on June 29, 2014 at 12:50 PM

I can, to a point, understand that the term “redskin” is described as a pejorative, so there will be people who have a problem with it. But Iroquois is a nation. You can imagine that we might decide to name a class of aircraft “The Irish” but we wouldn’t call them the drunken paddies.

The Notre Dame Fighting Irish have to go?

What about the term Bogtrotter?

Origianlly a very derogatory word for an Irishman, not always used as an insult nowadays.
in the 1700s-1800s, the English often referred to the Irish they oppressed as “uncivilized bogtrotters”, as the English have historically had the habit of calling anyone of a different nationality “uncivilized”.

Nire Valley Bogtrotters

Nire Valley Bogtrotters are a walking club based in the Nire Valley in the Comeragh Mountains in Co Waterford, Ireland

Guess they are fine with it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baster

The name Baster is derived from the Dutch word for “bastard” (or “crossbreed”). While some people consider this term demeaning, the Basters proudly use the term as an indication of their history in the same way as the Métis (“Mixed”) people of Canada.

So how do we convince the Baster and the Metis to rename themselves so they aren’t being insulting and demeaning to themselves?

And of course we must immediately stop using the term “slave” or any derivative thereof because it is insulting and demeaning to ethnic Slavs which is where the word comes from!

sharrukin on June 29, 2014 at 12:55 PM

seems the mods don’t like some terms..
lets try it this way..

next on the Waxman list..
UNCF
NAACP
BET
CBC…

all to be renamed..

going2mars on June 29, 2014 at 12:56 PM

Am I understanding the (D) argument correctly that these things (and sports teams) should only be named after white men?

rogerb on June 29, 2014 at 11:53 AM

That’s correct. I don’t think anyone would blink at:

The Washington Rednecks

The Atlanta White Trash

The Arizona Grino’s

The Florida Crackers

The Alabama Trailer Trash

The Carolina Bubbas

The Tennessee Hillbillies

Etc.

Actually, I’m not offended by any of those names. In fact, it would make the games more interesting. I can just see it; The Carolina Bubbas vs the Atlanta White Trash. What’s not to like?

BMF on June 29, 2014 at 12:59 PM

wow…one or all of those names spelled out
wont make it by HA moderation…

clearly a name change is needed..

going2mars on June 29, 2014 at 12:59 PM

Military guys don’t usually use the ‘official’ names, anyway. The B-52 (Stratofortress) is a ‘BUF’ – don’t ask – , the F-105 (Thunderstreak) is a ‘Thud’, and so on.

PersonFromPorlock on June 29, 2014 at 11:52 AM

I hate to be a nit picker (not really ;-), but the B-52′s nickname is BUFF, for Big Ugly Fat Fellow (although more often Fellow in replaced by a naughty four letter work that rhymes with Chuck).

The F-105′s official name was Thunderchief. The Thunderstreak was an earlier fighter made by Republic.

ZeusGoose on June 29, 2014 at 1:05 PM

my post was in moderation h3ll for 18 minutes…

how long before we cant say Redskins at HA??

going2mars on June 29, 2014 at 1:08 PM

I used to think hate was too strong a word for people whose politics I didn’t agree with. I’m beginning to change my mind with these pieces of excrement.

USNCVN on June 29, 2014 at 1:41 PM

Harbingeing on June 29, 2014 at 12:26 PM

not the muslim call to prayer

renalin on June 29, 2014 at 1:43 PM

During the 2nd Gulf war I saw a photo of a photo of Field Marshall Rommel in an American tank. Does that mean the commander of that tank hates Rommel or himself?

This is so stoopit I could feel brain cells dying as I read it.

Akzed on June 29, 2014 at 1:46 PM

So after you can’t use “Redskins” now you can’t say “Apache”? Where is all of this over-the-edge PC coming from? Because I don’t for a minute believe that it’s from the rank-and-file Indians (excuuuuuse me, “Native Americans”). This has progressive stink all over it. So who’s pushing it, and to what end, some sort of weird Alinsky-motivated attempt to further shake the societal foundations?

bofh on June 29, 2014 at 1:46 PM

During the ceremony the new Delta Company, 1/112th Aviation Company…

Calling a company “Delta” is offensive to Greeks. Or as W. put it, “Grecians,” which was offensive to hair dyes.

Akzed on June 29, 2014 at 1:51 PM

Next up: pronouns.

Mark my word, this will be required in some colleges within twenty years at most.

Akzed on June 29, 2014 at 1:53 PM

In order to not offend a single “native American”, we must erase their existence from our lexicon.

They must become the people who’s name shall not be mentioned.

“Custer’s last stand was actually a mass suicide. One of the weirdest events in the history of the US Army.”

BobMbx on June 29, 2014 at 11:05 AM

To be perfectly accurate we should not call them “natives”, we should call them Siberian-Americans.

slickwillie2001 on June 29, 2014 at 1:53 PM

my post was in moderation h3ll for 18 minutes…

how long before we cant say Redskins at HA??

going2mars on June 29, 2014 at 1:08 PM

It was the ‘N’ word, G2M… Seems even the scientific word is verboten…but you CAN say Caucasian without moderation….it is what it is…

bimmcorp on June 29, 2014 at 1:57 PM

the Apache was designed at Hughes Helicopters
with the first production model in 1983
Hughes sold the Helicopter Division to McDonnell Douglas in 1984..
both Hughes and Douglas spent great time and effort to include
the native tribes in all rollouts and ceremonies..
I worked in Mesa in the 90′s…2 1/2 years..
for MD first and then they sold to Boeing…
I attended the AH64D Longbow rollout ceremony …
many tribes were represented that day…. PROUDLY…
(side note.. a fellow designer was a full blooded NA..
you would have thought he was naming his child.. proud he was)
this is —–DC PC BS—–

going2mars on June 29, 2014 at 2:01 PM

bimmcorp on June 29, 2014 at 1:57 PM

took me a while to figure it out…
it never occurred to me a Proper name was suspect..

while it may be ok to say Caucasian
the United Caucasian Collage Fund is verboten..
and you cant say N2gro (or type it)
but the United N2gro Collage Fund is legal…

no wonder this is confusing..

going2mars on June 29, 2014 at 2:07 PM

As with many, I’m saddened by the continuing talk regarding “Redskins.” I wonder how many people upset over this term know that the Europeans were called “palefaces” – why? They were pale compared to the native tribes.

I look at “redskin” as a term of toughness, pride, presence, confidence. Look at so many of the paintings – beaten physically, yes but spiritually, NO. And, much of the death was caused by “white man’s (aka paleface’s) diseases, which also killed members of all other races, black and white. It would be interesting to run an anonymous survey today to see if there is a majority of American Indians who are upset with the term “redskins.” It seems someone on the left is always looking for something or someone or some way to put down people who don’t share the lefty’s train of thought.

As for naming helicopters after Indian tribes – the names are powerful and for those of us who were lucky (yes lucky) enough to learn how to properly pronounce many of the Indian names b/c we were TAUGHT them in school, they bring a sense of strength and pride.

One final point – IF the “progressive” (aka regressive) lefties continue on their journey to remove any term they think is bad, identifying words will be lost and once these words are lost, the culture and ethnicity will disappear completely. Just ponder for a moment – how many people know “Dakota” for North and South Dakota is actually the name of an Indian tribe? Outside the upper midwest, I’ll be zilch.

Using Indian names and terms keeps their cultures alive and helps them maintain pride for their achievements and survival. They are strong words, period. Let them be used!

MN J on June 29, 2014 at 2:15 PM

Absolutely NO Indian name should be used in any circumstance so as not to offend the sensibilities of any person or people. The renaming of all states, towns, counties, rivers, creeks, mountain, lake, mascots, spiritual entities and any other use of these words need to be banned. History books also need to be purged of any mention of Indian person, tribe, Nation, reservation,etc. etc. Laws need to be passed post haste to outlaw the utterance of these offending words. Only when these goals are achieved can we truly move on in our quest to fundamentally transform America.

Jackson on June 29, 2014 at 2:20 PM

going2mars on June 29, 2014 at 2:07 PM

remember when n2groponte was amabassador to iraq?

getting his name through moderation would be much harder today.

renalin on June 29, 2014 at 2:26 PM

Jackson on June 29, 2014 at 2:20 PM

Sadly, that day is coming, my friend…sooner, rather than later…

bimmcorp on June 29, 2014 at 2:28 PM

I just had the correctly spelled title of the country N***r (West-Central Africa) put my comment into moderation.

Shame on you, HotAir. Stop dancing to the PC tune. Now.

spiritof61 on June 29, 2014 at 2:33 PM

“They will never be forgotten while we still speak their name.”

The highest honor to be given an enemy is to honor them for their bravery and integrity. Only Soldiers can do this for soldiers.

Waxman shows that he is neither a soldier nor of honor.

To this day I can walk the streets of HC in Viet Nam and receive more respect then in Washington DC.

Don’t feed this Waxman Crap to me. I did my job with integrity. I am a SOLDIER.

jpcpt03 on June 29, 2014 at 11:46 AM

Exactly, my wife won’t allow me out of our house in Viet Nam unless I am wearing my US Army retired Cap. My “Car” is a 1963 Jeep CJ-5 that I rescued from a Vietnamese Government Salvage Yard. Yes. I have a Vietnamese drivers license and speak Vietnamese.

“Linh My,” translates from Vietnamese as American Soldier, Sailor, Marine or Airman. I was an Advisor to the RVN Navy and eventually joined and then retired from the ARNG as a SSG 19k30

Linh_My on June 29, 2014 at 2:37 PM

renalin on June 29, 2014 at 2:26 PM

if we are not allowed to say it
and we are not allowed to type it
or use the word in any form…
how is it ok to run adverts for contributions??
how do people write checks to contribute to it??..
just make the check out to UNCF..??
how does one who worked there put it on their resumes??
from 2000-2004 I worked for
The United (I cant say it) College Fund??

why is it ok to be Proud to be black
but not so much Proud to be red..
black power….ok
red power……eh not so much ??

going2mars on June 29, 2014 at 2:40 PM

I just had the correctly spelled title of the country N***r (West-Central Africa) put my comment into moderation.

Shame on you, HotAir. Stop dancing to the PC tune. Now.

spiritof61 on June 29, 2014 at 2:33 PM

They don’t care. They don’t want to hurt anyone’s ‘feewings’. We must be nice and polite boys and girls and not use words that ‘hate’. No wonder we are a nation of woosies.

bimmcorp on June 29, 2014 at 2:44 PM

could Ben Nighthorse Campbell have been in the
Congressional Red Caucasus ??

going2mars on June 29, 2014 at 2:47 PM

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