Video: vanden Heuvel tells Kristol to enlist in Iraq army “if you feel so strongly”

posted at 6:31 pm on June 29, 2014 by Jazz Shaw

Another Sunday and another great moment in liberal logic. On ABC’s This Week, the subject turned to the chaos currently engulfing Iraq, and liberal thought leader Katrina vanden Heuvel was paired up with Bill Kristol. After making her case against a new US ground war in Iraq, vanden Heuvel decided to take a shot across the bow at Bill. Andrew Johnson has the details.

“I have to say — sitting next to Bill Kristol, man, I mean — the architects of catastrophe that have cost this country trillions of dollars, thousands of lives, there should be accountability,” she said on This Week. “We don’t need armchair warriors — if you feel so strongly, you should, with all due respect, enlist in the Iraqi army.”

“That’s a very cute line, Katrina,” he quipped back.

There’s a difference between wanting to start another war and feeling strongly about the decaying situation in Iraq. But the smarmy looks that vanden Heuvel provides tell you all you need to know.


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Don’t worry, sweetheart, the war is coming to you.

(unfortunately, it’s coming to us, too)

formwiz on June 29, 2014 at 6:34 PM

Another deserter showing up. Is he thinking Obamas military won’t prosecute him?

http://www.timesofisrael.com/marine-who-disappeared-in-iraq-in-2004-back-in-us/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

On July 8, 2004, Hassoun contacted American officials in Beirut, Lebanon, claiming to have been kidnapped. He was returned to the US and eventually to Camp Lejeune. After a Navy investigation, the military charged Hassoun with desertion, loss of government property, theft of a military firearm for allegedly leaving the Fallujah camp with a 9 mm service pistol, and theft of a Humvee.

Shortly after his return to the US, Hassoun said in a public statement that he had been captured by insurgents in Iraq and was still a loyal Marine. “I did not desert my post,” he told reporters. “I was captured and held against my will by anti-coalition forces for 19 days. This was a very difficult and challenging time for me.”

In the initial months following his return to Lejeune, Hassoun was not held in confinement because charges had not yet been brought against him. He was considered non-deployable until the case was resolved, but he was allowed to make personal trips.

A January 2005 hearing on the matter was canceled when Hassoun failed to return to Camp Lejeune from his Utah visit. His commanders then officially classified him as a deserter, authorizing civilian police to apprehend him.

A short time later Hassoun was been placed on a Navy list of “most wanted” fugitives. A mug shot of him appeared on a Navy criminal justice Web site, which claimed the missing corporal used the alias “Jafar.”

Read more: Marine who disappeared in Iraq in 2004 back in US | The Times of Israel http://www.timesofisrael.com/marine-who-disappeared-in-iraq-in-2004-back-in-us/#ixzz364QMFlFX
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another one of Obama’s type of soldiers.

sadsushi on June 29, 2014 at 6:35 PM

I’ve got no use for either one.

sharrukin on June 29, 2014 at 6:40 PM

I think all pro abortion people, if they feel strongly about it, should abort themselves.

Flange on June 29, 2014 at 6:41 PM

She is at the very bottom of the shallow depth of leftist intellectualism

Ellis on June 29, 2014 at 6:44 PM

He should have looked at her and said, “Katrina, I didn’t want to take away any jobs that women, such as yourself, could easily do.”

HopeHeFails on June 29, 2014 at 6:48 PM

I think all pro abortion people, if they feel strongly about it, should abort themselves.

Flange on June 29, 2014 at 6:41 PM

Ouch! That’s gonna leave a mark.
On their consciences, I hope.

itsnotaboutme on June 29, 2014 at 6:48 PM

But the smarmy looks that vanden Heuvel provides tell you all you need to know.

Katrina vanden Heuvel has had a sourpuss of a face since the fall of the Berlin Wall and collapse of her beloved Soviet Union.

Resist We Much on June 29, 2014 at 6:51 PM

On their consciences, I hope.

itsnotaboutme on June 29, 2014 at 6:48 PM

Unfortunately they don’t have one.

Flange on June 29, 2014 at 6:58 PM

I think she’d be an excellent ambassador to ISIS. She should volunteer her service immediately.

BKeyser on June 29, 2014 at 6:59 PM

Katrina vanden Heuvel has had a sourpuss of a face since the fall of the Berlin Wall and collapse of her beloved Soviet Union.

Her husband, Stephen Cohen feels the same.

Bertram Cabot Jr. on June 29, 2014 at 7:02 PM

How come that is always the sort of logic used on others, but it is never applied to themselves when they want to see the poor get health insurance? Want it done? Do it yourself, don’t ask for government to do it for you.

If you use this sort of logic one way, then it is more than fair to turn it completely around and ask why those espousing all the great things that they want government to do aren’t doing it themselves.

ajacksonian on June 29, 2014 at 7:08 PM

…with all due respect…

Frankly, the partisan hack Katrina vanden Heuvel never intended to offer any respect – nor holds even a modicum of respect for someone who isn’t a blind brown-shirted ideologue like she is.

At least it completely reflects the utter failure of the majority of progressive-fascists to offer cogent and valid arguments in a discussion.

Athos on June 29, 2014 at 7:14 PM

More botox, please.

SouthernGent on June 29, 2014 at 7:15 PM

“… I mean — the architects of catastrophe that have cost this country trillions of dollars, thousands of lives, there should be accountability …”

Would have made more sense to say this sitting next to DogEater, like that would ever happen …

ShainS on June 29, 2014 at 7:17 PM

IIRC vanden Heuvel was too much of a nasty freak even for the McLaughlin Group and other PBS agenda television so instead they have the Eleanor “Monica Envy” Clift and perhaps still have Lawrence “Foaming at the Mouth” O’Donnell and Mort “Gimme Illegals” Zuckerman.

viking01 on June 29, 2014 at 7:21 PM

More botox shopping bag, please.

SouthernGent on June 29, 2014 at 7:15 PM

FIFY

viking01 on June 29, 2014 at 7:22 PM

This woman has been an idiot for as long as she has had any public exposure. I feel she is living proof you cannot fix stupid. One can only hope she is at some time captured by the Islamists and treated they way they treat people like her.

Zelsdorf Ragshaft on June 29, 2014 at 7:25 PM

Katrina vanden Heuvel………..even her name is obnoxious.

conservative hispanic on June 29, 2014 at 7:27 PM

“I have to say — sitting next to Bill Kristol, man, I mean …

Hey, Bill Kristol, man, don’t come across so heavy, man, cuz like you’re really harshing my mellow.

WhatSlushfund on June 29, 2014 at 7:29 PM

I’ve got no use for either one.

sharrukin on June 29, 2014 at 6:40 PM

Agree 100%. As much as I loathe Katrina, she has a point. Neocons’ kids never serve in the military, yet they have no qualms getting other people’s kids killed to support their agenda.

bw222 on June 29, 2014 at 7:30 PM

I remember when this classless idiot wore some sort of black funeral outfit on TV after Bush won re-election in 2004. By their 40s, well-adjusted people have long since put aside childish things.

hamiltmc on June 29, 2014 at 7:31 PM

Agree 100%. As much as I loathe Katrina, she has a point. Neocons’ kids never serve in the military, yet they have no qualms getting other people’s kids killed to support their agenda.

bw222 on June 29, 2014 at 7:30 PM

It would be one thing if their agenda ever bore any fruit, but it always ends in disaster, and they never learn because they are essentially liberals themselves. They wanted to forge Muslim society the same way liberals think they can make people into anything they please through indoctrination. That never works well either.

sharrukin on June 29, 2014 at 7:36 PM

Agree 100%. As much as I loathe Katrina, she has a point. Neocons’ kids never serve in the military, yet they have no qualms getting other people’s kids killed to support their agenda.

bw222 on June 29, 2014 at 7:30 PM

’The civilized world must win this fight,’ the editors thunder. But, if it comes to war, it will not be the ‘civilized world’ humping up that bloody road to Baghdad; it will be American kids with names like McAllister, Murphy, Gonzales, and Leroy Brown.”

- Pat Buchanan, this after writing a column that pointed out that all (in his mind) people who were pushing for war in Iraq in 1991 were Jews.

thebrokenrattle on June 29, 2014 at 7:47 PM

She will look good in a burqua…hide that liberal sourpuss piehole….first time she lips off to her muslim master, she will get more than a Kristol quip.

crosshugger on June 29, 2014 at 7:49 PM

There were enough writers working for Mrs vanden Heuvel (I dont know if she herself held these positions) who advocated military interventions in Somalia, Bosnia and Kosovo. Did she tell them too to join the military or is that an argument only deployed against Republicans?

Red Widow on June 29, 2014 at 7:50 PM

I think all pro abortion people, if they feel strongly about it, should abort themselves.

Flange on June 29, 2014 at 6:41 PM

We have a winnah!

John the Libertarian on June 29, 2014 at 7:50 PM

blah blah blah lefty…since when were you concerned about human life…lets see thousands a day via abortion, 4 in Benghazi, countless black families who have lost children to drugs and the mean streets due to your emotional good intentions…they named a hurricane with this wenches name….a democrat windbag for sure

crosshugger on June 29, 2014 at 7:53 PM

pointed out that all (in his mind) people who were pushing for war in Iraq in 1991 were Jews.

thebrokenrattle on June 29, 2014 at 7:47 PM

“A racist is somebody who is winning an argument with a liberal”.

sharrukin on June 29, 2014 at 7:54 PM

What is Ms Vandenfulgel’s position on the young unaccompanied children crossing the US Border?

How many has she adopted and taken into her home? She can afford several.

Joseph OHenry on June 29, 2014 at 7:56 PM

Katrina vanden Heuvel

And we worry about Todd Akin.

The Left is full of people that should be in an asylum.

faraway on June 29, 2014 at 7:56 PM

But she *said* “with all due respect” so therefore you can’t hold her accountable!

It’s like jerks making little snide remarks about someone’s weight or big nose or baldness, and then falling back a pace and whining “I was *just* joking!”, like it’s automatically the other guy’s fault for objecting.

Can we enact a new “Godwin’s Law”, where always always, when someone utters “with all due respect”, it is understood by everyone that the real sentiment is “with all due disrespect”. And that the person who says it is a weasely idiot.

NahnCee on June 29, 2014 at 8:00 PM

This argument is another pet peeve of mine. It misses the entire point of service.

V7_Sport on June 29, 2014 at 8:09 PM

pointed out that all (in his mind) people who were pushing for war in Iraq in 1991 were Jews.

thebrokenrattle on June 29, 2014 at 7:47 PM

“A racist is somebody who is winning an argument with a liberal”.

sharrukin on June 29, 2014 at 7:54 PM

Oops, you dropped your copy of Mein Kampf

/Jewish
//2 years in the Middle East

Irritable Pundit on June 29, 2014 at 8:14 PM

the architects of catastrophe that have cost this country trillions of dollars

The stimulus?

mankai on June 29, 2014 at 8:15 PM

Oops, you dropped your copy of Mein Kampf

Irritable Pundit on June 29, 2014 at 8:14 PM

Do you actually have an argument for why going back to Iraq is a great idea, or just your typical liberal spittle flecked shrieks of racism?

sharrukin on June 29, 2014 at 8:19 PM

Bill, just whip out your scimitar and give KVH a very close shave.

Another Drew on June 29, 2014 at 8:22 PM

She looks like someone snuck up on her when she was getting a drink and slammed the lid on her head.

bimmcorp on June 29, 2014 at 8:24 PM

Before you leftist rump swabs begin to whine that the sons of “neocons” do not serve, Bill Kristol’s son Joseph was a Marine officer and served in Afghanistan and other God forsaken Middle East hell holes.

MoodyBlu on June 29, 2014 at 8:28 PM

terrible reporter has terrible logic, news at 11.

joeindc44 on June 29, 2014 at 8:46 PM

Too bad we didn’t trade vanden Heuvel for Bergdahl.

BuckeyeSam on June 29, 2014 at 8:47 PM

She has a point. If invading Iraq, Syria or who ever is your thing, go join their armies and fight for you cause.

Tasha on June 29, 2014 at 8:50 PM

I’ve got no use for either one.

sharrukin on June 29, 2014 at 6:40 PM

Agree 100%. As much as I loathe Katrina, she has a point. Neocons’ kids never serve in the military, yet they have no qualms getting other people’s kids killed to support their agenda.

bw222 on June 29, 2014 at 7:30 PM

I third that motion. Neocons are former Communists or the spawn of former Communists. Just like the Commies they want to spread their Straussian ideology by force. Bill Kristol never met a US military intervention he didn’t like.

DaveDief on June 29, 2014 at 8:57 PM

sharrukin on June 29, 2014 at 7:54 PM

It’s the same argument, maybe bw222 wasn’t suggesting that neocons are all Jews and probably I went too far there, but the argument is the same: “those people” are making the decisions and “we” have to pay/die for them, as if the groups were mutually exclusive.

thebrokenrattle on June 29, 2014 at 8:58 PM

Only the stupidest or most depraved of non-Muslims wants to keep putting the lives and limbs of American troops between waring Muslims.

VorDaj on June 29, 2014 at 8:59 PM

Van Dan Heaval? Bomb-thrower, A radical’s radical. Stopped paying any attention to her several years ago.

petefrt on June 29, 2014 at 9:13 PM

It’s the same argument, maybe bw222 wasn’t suggesting that neocons are all Jews and probably I went too far there, but the argument is the same: “those people” are making the decisions and “we” have to pay/die for them, as if the groups were mutually exclusive.

thebrokenrattle on June 29, 2014 at 8:58 PM

Jews are well represented on the liberal left so it would be bizarre indeed if they weren’t part of the liberal neocon group. Also given the leftist drift towards embracing Islam which is virulently anti-Jewish that has taken place, many otherwise liberal Jews would be inclined to not take kindly to this trend. They would move to the Republican side. Most neocon aren’t Jewish at all so its not anti-Semitic to be against neocons. Not everything is a dog whistle.

My problem with them is that they are liberal in outlook and mentality. Many of them are very open about their left-wing origins and beliefs.

sharrukin on June 29, 2014 at 9:14 PM

She looks like someone snuck up on her when she was getting a drink and slammed the lid on her head.

bimmcorp on June 29, 2014 at 8:24 PM

Haha that’s funny.

Flange on June 29, 2014 at 9:14 PM

What the heck is a Vanden Heuvel and why does it seem so smarmy, irritated, and yet sad.

StubbornGreenBurros on June 29, 2014 at 9:18 PM

…put them both…in the same foxhole!

JugEarsButtHurt on June 29, 2014 at 9:24 PM

This Vander Heuvel doll is one of Rush’s sweethearts. Will be fun to hear him critique her blabfeast tomorrow if he gets too it.

Texyank on June 29, 2014 at 9:26 PM

Katrina vanden Heuvel is a communist.

Viator on June 29, 2014 at 9:28 PM

My problem with them is that they are liberal in outlook and mentality. Many of them are very open about their left-wing origins and beliefs.

sharrukin on June 29, 2014 at 9:14 PM

More than half of the first wave were liberals mugged by reality but most of us in the second wave were always conservative

thebrokenrattle on June 29, 2014 at 9:44 PM

sharrukin on June 29, 2014 at 7:36 PM

I’ll never forget in the run-up to the Iraq War Kristol saying “…but Sunni and Shi’a have been living together peacefully for hundreds of years!” (or something along those lines)

bobs1196 on June 29, 2014 at 9:51 PM

It’s called “redirection”. When your ship is sinking because you pulled the plug, blame the people who made the ship.

Or at any rate, change the subject. You know I bet she did real well in kindergarten with that line. Towering intellectualism so typical of the left.

Chuck Ef on June 29, 2014 at 9:55 PM

I’ll never forget in the run-up to the Iraq War Kristol saying “…but Sunni and Shi’a have been living together peacefully for hundreds of years!” (or something along those lines)

bobs1196 on June 29, 2014 at 9:51 PM

So much liberal nonsense to choose from.

the continuing debates over the terms of a final constitution, have in fact demonstrated something remarkable in Iraq: a willingness on the part of the diverse ethnic and religious groups to disagree–peacefully–and then to compromise. – Bill Kristol

there are hopeful signs that Iraqis of differing religious, ethnic, and political persuasions can work together. This is a far cry from the predictions made before the war by many, both here and in Europe, that a liberated Iraq would fracture into feuding clans and unleash a bloodbath. – Bill Kristol

sharrukin on June 29, 2014 at 10:00 PM

- Pat Buchanan, this after writing a column that pointed out that all (in his mind) people who were pushing for war in Iraq in 1991 were Jews.

thebrokenrattle on June 29, 2014 at 7:47 PM

If you check out who is pushing for war today, you’ll see that Buchanan was at least 3/4 right.

By the way, both Katrina and Kristol are Jewish.

bw222 on June 29, 2014 at 10:06 PM

I would pay good money to see them both enlist in the Iraqi army.

alchemist19 on June 29, 2014 at 10:13 PM

bw222 on June 29, 2014 at 10:06 PM

I stand corrected, Sharrukin.

thebrokenrattle on June 29, 2014 at 10:17 PM

Alchemy you as well.

CW on June 29, 2014 at 10:23 PM

There’s a difference between wanting to start another war and feeling strongly about the decaying situation in Iraq. But the smarmy looks that vanden Heuvel provides tell you all you need to know.

Basically all I saw in the clip between the leftist and the NecCon was two idiots arguing with each other trying to prove who is more inept than the other.

But it is instructive to the dangers of the NeoCon argument and how the left will successfully attack it. Realism folks….we need a more realistic foreign policy…ruthless as well. Let this be a lesson to all hawks, we need to be mindful of domestic politics in all foreign policy endeavors. Simply claiming Iraq was a victory and Obama messed it up will not get it done.

William Eaton on June 29, 2014 at 10:25 PM

Where were all those liberals lining up for the good war?

CW on June 29, 2014 at 10:25 PM

Do you actually have an argument for why going back to Iraq is a great idea, or just your typical liberal spittle flecked shrieks of racism?

sharrukin on June 29, 2014 at 8:19 PM

We should never have gotten out. It wouldn’t take much to fix the problem if this nation/the press had the balls/intelligence.

Vince on June 29, 2014 at 10:28 PM

. Let this be a lesson to all hawks, we need to be mindful of domestic politics in all foreign policy endeavors. Simply claiming Iraq was a victory and Obama messed it up will not get it done.

William Eaton on June 29, 2014 at 10:25 PM

Drivel.

Vince on June 29, 2014 at 10:30 PM

And you’re welcome to hand in your 2 weeks notice, go join an Amish community, and spend the next several decades baking pies and sewing jeans for someone far smarter than you, you lobotomized libtard poodle.

LawfulGood on June 29, 2014 at 10:30 PM

Simply claiming Iraq was a victory and Obama messed it up will not get it done.

William Eaton on June 29, 2014 at 10:25 PM

If you’re trying to absolve Obummer of hosing up what little progress we HAD made in Iraq, that is what we like to call an “epic fail”.

LawfulGood on June 29, 2014 at 10:32 PM

If you’re trying to absolve Obummer of hosing up what little progress we HAD made in Iraq, that is what we like to call an “epic fail”.

LawfulGood on June 29, 2014 at 10:32 PM

Too many “non-interventionists” are surprisingly soft on Obama here. Things that make you go hmmmmm….

thebrokenrattle on June 29, 2014 at 10:35 PM

M

I third that motion. Neocons are former Communists or the spawn of former Communists. Just like the Commies they want to spread their Straussian ideology by force. Bill Kristol never met a US military intervention he didn’t like.

DaveDief on June 29, 2014 at 8:57 PM

Neocons are followers of Trotsky. So, yes they are Communists.

That is why they are always so quick to scream “racism” just like Obama’s fans.

tetriskid on June 29, 2014 at 10:36 PM

Trillions?

Wow, so like..we won?

Seven times over?

WryTrvllr on June 29, 2014 at 10:37 PM

But the smarmy looks that vanden Heuvel provides tell you all you need to know.

A smarmy liberal? Kind of a “dog bites man” story. Or rather, non-story.

There Goes the Neighborhood on June 29, 2014 at 10:39 PM

tetriskid on June 29, 2014 at 10:36 PM

Or, maybe, just maybe, we don’t want to watch our all our grandkids stoned to death.

It’s just a thought.

WryTrvllr on June 29, 2014 at 10:40 PM

We should never have gotten out. It wouldn’t take much to fix the problem….

Vince on June 29, 2014 at 10:28 PM

How exactly can the problem be fixed?

The 800,000 strong Iraqi military ran away screaming from 11,000 Jihadi’s. How do you fix the lack of will to fight for what they don’t believe in?

How do you fix the hatred between Shia and Sunni?

How do you fix the anti-Christian pogroms?

How do you fix a population that believes Islam should dominate and kill the infidel?

Love to hear it.

sharrukin on June 29, 2014 at 10:42 PM

Or, maybe, just maybe, we don’t want to watch our all our grandkids stoned to death.

It’s just a thought.

WryTrvllr on June 29, 2014 at 10:40 PM

Creating an Islamic Caliphate is a funny way to go about that.

tetriskid on June 29, 2014 at 10:42 PM

Creating an Islamic Caliphate is a funny way to go about that.

tetriskid on June 29, 2014 at 10:42 PM

Unless I’m mistaken, that’s happening….Now.

WryTrvllr on June 29, 2014 at 10:44 PM

If you’re trying to absolve Obummer of hosing up what little progress we HAD made in Iraq, that is what we like to call an “epic fail”.

LawfulGood on June 29, 2014 at 10:32 PM

Wow…

Trying to solve an Islamic country’s problems is going to take a long time, unless you plan to kill a large portion of the population, not that I would be against that, but I will assume most Americans have not come as far as me in terms of my harsh views toward the faith of Islam. SO therefore the next best move in containing Islam where it is, and letting them slaughter each other.

Bush failed before the war began. He never understood what caused 9-11, or what causes “Terrorism”, which is a stupid term in itself. Terror is a tactic, like Blitzkrieg. Did we wage WWII to end the evils of Blitzkrieg? It is called Jihad, and it is a critical part of the Islamic faith. Bush supporters seem shocked that a majority Muslim country is filled with people wanting to go on Jihad.

BTW I despise Obama, yet I don’t blame him for this. I hope he keeps us out, but I doubt he will. This is strategy 101…I know my country and I know my enemy…NeoCons understood neither.

William Eaton on June 29, 2014 at 10:44 PM

After we kicked Libya’s @ss.

WryTrvllr on June 29, 2014 at 10:45 PM

After we freed Egypt.

WryTrvllr on June 29, 2014 at 10:45 PM

After we aided Mali and Nigeria.

WryTrvllr on June 29, 2014 at 10:46 PM

Shall I continue?

WryTrvllr on June 29, 2014 at 10:46 PM

Or, maybe, just maybe, we don’t want to watch our all our grandkids stoned to death.

It’s just a thought.

WryTrvllr on June 29, 2014 at 10:40 PM

Then stop immigration from Muslim countries.

How is parking military forces in Iraq going to change anything? The Iraqi constitution enshrines Sharia law in the Iraqi nations legal system. Saddam didn’t do that. That is a step backwards. The Christians are being slaughtered and expelled…another step backwards.

sharrukin on June 29, 2014 at 10:47 PM

sharrukin on June 29, 2014 at 10:42 PM

You do just what we did in Japan after the war. It takes a long time but most of our conquests like the western way of living after getting acclimated to it.

The problem is, you expect this all to be over in a month. It’s not a computer game.

Vince on June 29, 2014 at 10:48 PM

Drivel.

Vince on June 29, 2014 at 10:30 PM

Ok genius tell me how do we overcome the Sunni / Shia divide in Iraq?

Let me guess cultural sensitivity lessons?

Our military is trained to annihilate our enemies, not to babysit two sides in a 7th century pissing match over who is the true follower of Muhammad.

William Eaton on June 29, 2014 at 10:50 PM

sharrukin on June 29, 2014 at 10:47 PM

No disagreement there.

I remember the day the US invaded Iraq quite well. I believed it was wrong. But, after the decision is made, one doesn’t second guess. One wins. Or one loses. Much like a squirrel in the road, or a swallow out front.

WryTrvllr on June 29, 2014 at 10:51 PM

William Eaton on June 29, 2014 at 10:50 PM

Asked and answered already.

Vince on June 29, 2014 at 10:52 PM

You do just what we did in Japan after the war. It takes a long time but most of our conquests like the western way of living after getting acclimated to it.

The problem is, you expect this all to be over in a month. It’s not a computer game.

Vince on June 29, 2014 at 10:48 PM

It’s been 10+ years.

Also. In Japan we fought to win. In Iraq we did community outreach.

tetriskid on June 29, 2014 at 10:57 PM

You do just what we did in Japan after the war. It takes a long time but most of our conquests like the western way of living after getting acclimated to it.

The problem is, you expect this all to be over in a month. It’s not a computer game.

Vince on June 29, 2014 at 10:48 PM

Wrong…The Japanese were after WWII…

(1) Had a technologically sophisticated population.
(2) Had a monolithic culture and ethnic background.
(3) The U.S. had captured their god.
(4) They are not Muslims.
(5) The Japanese understood they were defeated.

Iraq is none of those things, instead it is a place inhabited by various tribal and ethnic groups, no real recent technological sophistication, and to top it off are mostly Muslims…

Big Difference…

William Eaton on June 29, 2014 at 11:00 PM

You do just what we did in Japan after the war. It takes a long time but most of our conquests like the western way of living after getting acclimated to it.

Japan isn’t Muslim.

That’s NOT a small difference.

The problem is, you expect this all to be over in a month. It’s not a computer game.

Vince on June 29, 2014 at 10:48 PM

How about over a hundred years?

Is that enough time?

French Algeria 1830-1960

The British in Pakistan from the mid 1800s to 1947.

Are the French and British not magical enough? Is it only American magic that can make this happen?

Do you know what is going on in Paris, Londonistan, and Dearborn?

It doesn’t work.

Japan and Germany were already advanced and civilized nations.

It’s been over ten years.
Germany in 1955 became a part of NATO.
Ten years later Iraqi is becoming part of the Medieval Caliphate.

sharrukin on June 29, 2014 at 11:00 PM

Hurricane Katrina is an Elite Leftist 1 Percenter; she inherited her half-vast wealth.

Wiki

Vanden Heuvel was born in New York City, the daughter of Jean Stein, an heiress, best-selling author, and editor of the literary journal Grand Street, and William vanden Heuvel, an attorney, former US ambassador, member of John F. Kennedy’s administration, businessman, and author. She has one sister and two step-siblings. Her maternal grandparents were Music Corporation of America founder Jules C. Stein and Doris Babbette Jones (originally Jonas). Through her maternal grandmother, vanden Heuvel is a distant cousin of actor and comedian George Jessel.

Del Dolemonte on June 29, 2014 at 11:01 PM

sharrukin on June 29, 2014 at 11:00 PM

Bingo!

William Eaton on June 29, 2014 at 11:03 PM

Mr. William Eaton, ask yourself this instead.

How long has Islam been at war with western civilization? And do you want to lose to them?

WryTrvllr on June 29, 2014 at 11:04 PM

But, after the decision is made, one doesn’t second guess. One wins. Or one loses.

WryTrvllr on June 29, 2014 at 10:51 PM

Military force is only capable of certain things.

It cannot make a savage people civilized.

Nations in Europe took many hundreds of years to even begin to form.
You cannot teach nationhood in a classroom.

sharrukin on June 29, 2014 at 11:05 PM

Do you know what is going on in Paris, Londonistan, and Dearborn?

It doesn’t work.

Exactly. So we should roll over and play dead.

WryTrvllr on June 29, 2014 at 11:05 PM

It’s been 10+ years.

Also. In Japan we fought to win. In Iraq we did community outreach.

tetriskid on June 29, 2014 at 10:57 PM

We haven’t fought to win since WW2. That doesn’t change my point and it hasn’t been 10+ years of continuous US influence. Obama pulled us out when it was working because he and his advisors have the same mentality shown in this thread.

It’s all about politics and nothing about fulfilling responsibilities. The press/media is at fault the most because they’re biased.

Vince on June 29, 2014 at 11:06 PM

sharrukin on June 29, 2014 at 11:05 PM

True. You already pointed out where we are going. what’s your solution?

WryTrvllr on June 29, 2014 at 11:06 PM

Mr. William Eaton, ask yourself this instead.

How long has Islam been at war with western civilization? And do you want to lose to them?

WryTrvllr on June 29, 2014 at 11:04 PM

Forever and I want to win!

We did not fight Islam in Iraq. We instead we fought to free the Muslims!

It is like freeing the Zombies! Or Freeing the Nazis…

LOL…

William Eaton on June 29, 2014 at 11:08 PM

How long has Islam been at war with western civilization? And do you want to lose to them?

WryTrvllr on June 29, 2014 at 11:04 PM

1,300 years.

No, a defeat by Islam would be as ugly as it gets.

Helping them build nations results in our victory in what way?

Muslims want to impose Islam on the infidel, so how is bringing democracy to them a good idea? They will vote for an Islamic government.

sharrukin on June 29, 2014 at 11:09 PM

Welcome to the fraternity of neocons.

WryTrvllr on June 29, 2014 at 11:09 PM

Japan and Germany were already advanced and civilized nations.

Ha,ha,ha,ha! Tell that to the survivors of the death marches and the concentration camps.

I don’t know why you’re using the 1800s as an example. We were fighting a civil war then.

Vince on June 29, 2014 at 11:10 PM

Helping them build nations results in our victory in what way?

Muslims want to impose Islam on the infidel, so how is bringing democracy to them a good idea? They will vote for an Islamic government.

sharrukin on June 29, 2014 at 11:09 PM

So now you can predict the future?

Vince on June 29, 2014 at 11:11 PM

BTW. Why would we let them form any kind of government that we didn’t approve of. This bs about allowing them to form an Islamic government is stupid. We didn’t allow Japan to form anything that we didn’t have a hand in.

Vince on June 29, 2014 at 11:13 PM

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