Obama on climate change: How about these anti-science conspiracy theorists in Congress, amirite?

posted at 4:41 pm on June 26, 2014 by Erika Johnsen

This week, the White House officially marked the one-year anniversary of the introduction of President Obama’s Climate Action Plan (and his accompanying grandiloquence, ugh), proudly touting the ostensible progress that the Obama administration has made on combating climate change even without Congress’s eager cooperation. It was the same tack Obama took in a speech to the ready-to-donate League of Conservation Voters last night — but there’s nothing like a little shared derision for Republican-obstructionism-cum-climate-change-”denialism” to really get the party started, via Politico:

President Barack Obama is letting his inner Don Rickles run free, mocking climate deniers as the crowd who used to think the moon was made out of cheese or spineless dopes who can’t or won’t listen to science even though the science is all overwhelmingly pointing in one direction. Their heads are in the sand. They are members of the Flat Earth Society.

For the White House it’s about getting the liberal base excited for the midterms. It’s a confidence that climate change has shifted in voters’ minds. It’s a broader play against congressional Republicans as obstructionists.

And for Obama, it’s a good time. Wednesday night, Obama ripped into his opponents in front of a League of Conservation Voters crowd so friendly that some were pumping their arms in the air as he spoke.

“It’s pretty rare that you encounter people who say that the problem of carbon pollution is not a problem,” Obama said. “In most communities and workplaces, they may not know how big a problem it is, they may not know exactly how it works, they may doubt they can do something about it. Generally they don’t just say, ‘No I don’t believe anything scientists say.’ Except, where?” he said, waiting for the more than accommodating crowd to call back, “Congress!” …

“In Congress,” he said. “Folks will tell you climate change is hoax or a fad or a plot. A liberal plot.”

You get the idea; it was a speech all about riling up the wealthy members of the eco-radical progressive base in the audience. With not much in the way of liberal legislation likely to get through Congress throughout the rest of his tenure, climate change is the second-term issue on which President Obama will be trying to hang his legacy-hat, particularly with executive-branch top-down regulations like the major rules for existing power plants that the EPA recently released. He did go on to warn that, “If we’re blithe about saying, ‘This is the crisis of our time,’ but we don’t acknowledge these legitimate concerns [about rising electricity prices] — we’ve got to shape our strategies to address the very real and legitimate concerns of working families” — but that would perhaps hit home a little more sincerely if his administration was actually doing more to address the very real and legitimate concerns of working families and if his major power-plant regulations were going to provide a little more bang for their buck. His administration isn’t, and the regulations won’t; and in the meantime, the progressive tendency to lump everyone who doesn’t automatically take at face value every dire prediction and subsequent big-government policy recommendation the green lobby can come up with into the category of “flat-earth, knuckle-dragging, conspiratorial deniers” is just counterproductive to their own cause.


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It wouldn’t surprise me if Obama failed in every science class he ever took.

sadatoni on June 26, 2014 at 5:54 PM

He probably didn’t attend any of them.

crankyoldlady on June 26, 2014 at 6:02 PM

Those were his choom periods outside with the gang….

dentarthurdent on June 26, 2014 at 6:07 PM

Then we can move on to groups like the UN IPCC, of course:
https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar5/wg1/
 
Tlaloc on June 26, 2014 at 5:21 PM

 
…Unless you’re a blind fool you can see…
 
darwin on June 26, 2014 at 5:57 PM

 
It has nothing to do with foolishness, and everything to do with faith. He’s already told us he won’t (can’t) manage data himself and will rely on what the preacher tells him about the earth being 6000 years old before they sing “Just As I Am” and go to the gym for casseroles and jello with little marshmallows in it.
 
Someone has told him this is what he’s supposed to believe in, and he believes in it. Simple as that.

rogerb on June 26, 2014 at 6:11 PM

Clear as a bell fraud, total.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on June 26, 2014 at 6:14 PM

Tlaloc on June 26, 2014 at 5:25 PM

Of all of the f*cking morons that plague this site, you do certainly help lower the bar. Bravo.

Midas on June 26, 2014 at 6:15 PM

Someone has told him this is what he’s supposed to believe in, and he believes in it. Simple as that.

rogerb on June 26, 2014 at 6:11 PM

That’s the same mindset of the Islamist who’s told he’ll go to heaven if he straps on explosives and kills hundreds of innocent people.

darwin on June 26, 2014 at 6:16 PM

It’s all about power and authority:

Church to Galileo: You are not a geo-centrist and therefore a heretic! Acknowledge that the earth is stationary while the sun moves around us or risk excommunication and execution!

Galileo: “Eppur si muove…”
.
Carbon alarmists to realists: You are a CO2 denier and a heretic! Acknowledge that the earth is under assault by CO2 and AGW or risk excommunication and execution!

Realists: “Eppure si raffredda…”
.
Beware that your recognition of AGW alarmism becomes well known and your ability make living is reduced or that you must live under house arrest, as Galileo did. He challenged the ignorant and unsupported conclusions about geo-centrism of Holy Mother Church and had his truthful scientific writing placed on the heretical do not publish list for centuries, until 1835.
.
Rather than proclaim yourself Sparticus, proclaim yourself Galileo.
.
“I am Galileo!”

ExpressoBold on June 26, 2014 at 6:26 PM

Then we can move on to groups like the UN IPCC, of course:
https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar5/wg1/

Tlaloc on June 26, 2014 at 5:21 PM

You’re a fool. Go back and look at the initial IPCC reports and their historical temperature data then look at all the following reports. Unless you’re a blind fool you can see where they changed past warm periods and made them cooler to justify their hysterical conclusions…..
darwin on June 26, 2014 at 5:57 PM

Tialoc doesn’t care. This isn’t about saving the planet. This is about lying and tricking the books to get into our wallets even deeper.

CW on June 26, 2014 at 6:37 PM

BTW, from the RACIST!!! tea party thread:
 

FYI- most people, including minorities, don’t really appreciate your “I know better what’s good for you” routine.
 
Tlaloc on June 26, 2014 at 5:57 PM

rogerb on June 26, 2014 at 6:39 PM

I would defy Øbama or anyone in that audience to explain what carbon is and how the carbon cycle works here on planet Earth. They’re absolute idiots.

Mojave Mark on June 26, 2014 at 6:43 PM

Come to think about it this anti-carbon thing fits right in with their idealogy. Humans are carbon-based life forms and we all know what the marxists think of humans.

crankyoldlady on June 26, 2014 at 6:45 PM

“It’s pretty rare that you encounter people who say that the problem of carbon pollution is not a problem,” Obama said.

Duh, Mr. Obama. Just can’t miss an opportunity to turn it into an “us vs. them” matter. Shameless politic-ing from the most divisive president ever.

Just for the record, Mr. O (and you will never admit it) – most conservatives and Republicans already know and understand the problem of carbon dioxide pollution.

oakland on June 26, 2014 at 6:50 PM

zzzzzz wake me up when something – anything – they’ve predicted comes true.

TarheelBen on June 26, 2014 at 6:51 PM

Engineer here too and we have to ACTUALLY make things that work. I’ve designed over 50 machines that use convective, conductive, IR, UV, and x-ray energy transfer. I can definitely tell you that it is the unshielded fusion reactor that is a trillion size of the earth 8 light minutes away that governs the climate.

jukin3 on June 26, 2014 at 5:09 PM

Exactly… It is simply amazing how many morons ignore the incredible effect of the Sun on our planet life and climate… It is like sitting in a car with the heat blown up to maximum and yet arguing that temperature increase inside the car is due to the cell phone battery…

mnjg on June 26, 2014 at 6:51 PM

…our president is an asshole!

JugEarsButtHurt on June 26, 2014 at 6:53 PM

went to moderation
…our president is an assh0le!

JugEarsButtHurt on June 26, 2014 at 6:55 PM

And for Obama, it’s a good time. Wednesday night, Obama ripped into his opponents in front of a League of Conservation Voters crowd so friendly that some were pumping their arms in the air as he spoke.

The world is burning and this most incompetent immature fool is doing what he loves the most… Go in front of his moronic followers to mock and attack Republicans and get cheers from the morons…

mnjg on June 26, 2014 at 7:00 PM

I would defy Øbama or anyone in that audience to explain what carbon is and how the carbon cycle works here on planet Earth. They’re absolute idiots.

Mojave Mark on June 26, 2014 at 6:43 PM

Hoax disguised a science like man made global warming work best on stupid people with no scientific background or understanding of basic science and math…

mnjg on June 26, 2014 at 7:03 PM

It doesn’t matter what the issue is or whether it is right or wrong. This is simply about creating a “them” for the “us vs them” crowd. It’s about making sure the democrat villagers have a monster to go after with their torches and pitchforks. It’s about keeping them united against a common enemy. A mob needs a victim and Obama is simply making sure they have one so they don’t get bored, go home and start flipping channels.

Mollyzin on June 26, 2014 at 7:04 PM

OT – do your part

Schadenfreude on June 26, 2014 at 7:05 PM

War is coming jackface, got a place to hide?

Yeah, you go ahead and ‘depend’ on that military you’ve been taking a giant crap on. Lol.

Diluculo on June 26, 2014 at 7:06 PM

You can meet plenty of scientists who agree with the concept of climate change, it simply requires stepping outside the conservative bubble.

I guess you don’t meet many of them.
Tlaloc on June 26, 2014 at 5:21 PM

There are plenty of us in the “conservative bubble” that understand and agree that there is the threat of human-induced climate change. In fact, my experience has been that most true conservatives don’t deny what the preponderance of scientific research is showing with regard to AGW.

BTY, mnjg, I’m also an engineer. And your suppositions are way off base. I work with plenty of other engineers who also understand the growing threat of AGW.

oakland on June 26, 2014 at 7:06 PM

The world is burning and this most incompetent immature fool is doing what he loves the most… Go in front of his moronic followers to mock and attack Republicans and get cheers from the morons…

mnjg

Well of course … the only people in the world he’s tough on are those who won’t fight back …

which makes him your typical bully.

BD57 on June 26, 2014 at 7:08 PM

BTY, mnjg, I’m also an engineer. And your suppositions are way off base. I work with plenty of other engineers who also understand the growing threat of AGW.

oakland on June 26, 2014 at 7:06 PM

You are only a minority among engineers… Are you an engineer in the Silicon Valley area?

mnjg on June 26, 2014 at 7:11 PM

Mollyzin on June 26, 2014 at 7:04 PM

spot-on Mollyzin

oakland on June 26, 2014 at 7:18 PM

Tialoc doesn’t care. This isn’t about saving the planet. This is about lying and tricking the books to get into our wallets even deeper.

CW on June 26, 2014 at 6:37 PM

Yeah forget wallstreet banking, everyone knows the fat money is to be made in climatology!

I love how when one side is entirely made up of paid industry shills whose bosses stand to lose billions and the other side is made up of 99.9+% of scientists you can somehow straight faced argue that it’s the scientists acting out of a profit motive…

Tlaloc on June 26, 2014 at 7:19 PM

mnjg on June 26, 2014 at 7:11 PM

Really? You’ve queried all the engineers?

No, I’m not even close to Silicon Valley. Wrong end of the country.

oakland on June 26, 2014 at 7:20 PM

There are plenty of us in the “conservative bubble” that understand and agree that there is the threat of human-induced climate change. In fact, my experience has been that most true conservatives don’t deny what the preponderance of scientific research is showing with regard to AGW.

BTY, mnjg, I’m also an engineer. And your suppositions are way off base. I work with plenty of other engineers who also understand the growing threat of AGW.

oakland on June 26, 2014 at 7:06 PM

I hope you are right. Honestly I do.

Tlaloc on June 26, 2014 at 7:20 PM

OT – do your part

Schadenfreude on June 26, 2014 at 7:05 PM

Make sure they are not only “gently” used, but “gently” freshly stained.

UnstChem on June 26, 2014 at 7:22 PM

Climate change the new Communism. Exploit and extort the masses.

Krupnikas on June 26, 2014 at 7:27 PM

There are plenty of us in the “conservative bubble” that understand and agree that there is the threat of human-induced climate change. In fact, my experience has been that most true conservatives don’t deny what the preponderance of scientific research is showing with regard to AGW.

BTY, mnjg, I’m also an engineer. And your suppositions are way off base. I work with plenty of other engineers who also understand the growing threat of AGW.

oakland on June 26, 2014 at 7:06 PM

Good for you. Just because you believe the “preponderance” of data doesn’t change the fact the data has has been purposefully falsified.

Here’s a little test for you and all your “conservative” engineer types to try. Run through a brick wall and keep trying until you do. I’m sure if you believe in it hard enough, it’ll happen for you, amirite?

UnstChem on June 26, 2014 at 7:30 PM

oakland on June 26, 2014 at 7:06 PM

The conservative scientists that I am familiar with personally are more concerned with the massive amount of pollution, not climate change. For instance, the giant ball of plastic being digested at the molecular level in the Pacific Ocean will have a much greater effect on our environment than the myth of CO2 changing our climate. Even methane does not compare to the impending disaster even the most liberal of fools is ignoring in the oceans gyres.

Anyone that believes naturally occuring gasses will snuff humanity are complete fools. Our own propensity for destruction based on religious and political wants and our complete disregard for the environment, those plastics as the prime example, will be the downfall of humans, not CO2 or methane. Gasses are only a path to ultimate power, while the real dangers are being flatly ignored.

Slobbering liberalism at it’s finest.

Diluculo on June 26, 2014 at 7:31 PM

Ok, wtf is with the quote crap suddenly. This is ridiculous.

Diluculo on June 26, 2014 at 7:32 PM

I hope you are right. Honestly I do.

Tlaloc on June 26, 2014 at 7:20 PM

What you see on sites like this are on the fringe of denialist opinions. I think if you just talk with folks at work or at church, you will see that very few pretend to have it all figured out (such as the ones in this thread who declare that it’s all just a “hoax”).

And the denialists probably all don’t deep-down feel the way they express themselves. Denialism is just a stage of grief. Denialism is a self-defense mechanism to deal with things that are too horrible to fully contemplate. And I can understand denialism, because, I think, we all are denialists about something.

oakland on June 26, 2014 at 7:34 PM

Diluculo on June 26, 2014 at 7:31 PM

So, implicit in what you are saying, is that carbon dioxide is not a pollutant – or can’t be a pollutant. I would not agree.

Yes, there’s plenty of pollution to go around. And not everybody – even experts – agree on which pollution threats rank the highest. I think that you’ll find that very very few scientists would fell that any one pollutant, in and of itself, will result in our doom.

oakland on June 26, 2014 at 7:37 PM

oakland, you were the guy engineer that didn’t know the raw data had been manipulated and no longer existed to be subjected to actual scientific review, right?
 

Going on three years now, and nobody – not one – has been able to answer any of the three questions I have posed over that time:
 
1) If the data sets are incorrect, and/or the scientists are falsifying the data, then where are the correct data?
 
oakland on August 20, 2013 at 9:28 PM

 
Speaking of, #1 is so easy I’m shocked you’d even ask the question, much less proudly draw attention to it.
 
Three years, you say? So after 2009?
 
“Not where other scientists can ever, ever review them” is the answer that’s evaded you for so, so long. Most other people heard about it in the news…
 
And we’ve already covered #3, so we’re done. Three years all in the span of a cup of coffee…
 
rogerb on August 21, 2013 at 6:59 AM

 
And then the thread died.
 
SCIENCE!

rogerb on June 26, 2014 at 7:38 PM

oakland, you were the guy engineer that didn’t know the raw data had been manipulated and no longer existed to be subjected to actual scientific review, right?

never said that; all scientific data is “manipulated” (else how could one make sense of it?)

BTW, in four years, I have yet to get a reply to any of these three questions. Still waiting.

But, I might add, that I am flattered that you would record and store my comments!

oakland on June 26, 2014 at 7:42 PM

…denialist… the denialists… Denialism … Denialism… denialism… denialists…
 
oakland on June 26, 2014 at 7:34 PM

 
This is how you tell on yourself.
 
That’s not a term anyone with respect for the actual scientific method uses.

rogerb on June 26, 2014 at 7:43 PM

oakland on June 26, 2014 at 7:42 PM

See, now you’re just being pedantic.

Buck Farky on June 26, 2014 at 7:44 PM

oakland, you were the guy engineer that didn’t know the raw data had been manipulated and no longer existed to be subjected to actual scientific review, right?

 
never said that; all scientific data is “manipulated” (else how could one make sense of it?)
 
BTW, in four years, I have yet to get a reply to any of these three questions. Still waiting.
 
But, I might add, that I am flattered that you would record and store my comments!

oakland on June 26, 2014 at 7:42 PM

 
Yikes. You did see the link, right?
 
As an engineer, you do have some slight idea of how google works, correct?
 
Regardless-

rogerb on June 26, 2014 at 7:45 PM

A few good men:

Johnnie M. Walters, a commissioner of the Internal Revenue Service under President Richard M. Nixon who left office after refusing to prosecute people on Nixon’s notorious “enemies list,” died on Tuesday at his home in Greenville, S.C. He was 94. …

Nixon had fired his first IRS commissioner, Randolph W. Thrower, for resisting White House pressure to punish political opponents. Mr. Thrower, who served from 1969 to 1971, died at 100 in March. …

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2014/06/death-of-former-irs-commissioner-.html

davidk on June 26, 2014 at 7:46 PM

rogerb on June 26, 2014 at 7:43 PM

You have it backwards. True scientists NEVER express certainty, nor let political considerations taint their work.

Denialists, on the other hand, are just certain that they know the truth, and they’re just certain that there’s a conspiracy afoot (and they’re the intended victims).

Yes, denialist.

oakland on June 26, 2014 at 7:46 PM

Tlaloc on June 26, 2014 at 7:19 PM

The funny thing is, the overwhelming amount of money is on your side of the argument. And that money is contingent on promoting the most hysterical claims. You don’t get funding if you say the sky isn’t falling.

So spare us the sackcloth and ashes routine.

Buck Farky on June 26, 2014 at 7:47 PM

As an engineer, you do have some slight idea of how google works, correct?

I’m not a “google” engineer. But please don’t explain it all to me.

Just suffice to say that you do me too much honor.

Now, I go bike. Have a great day.

oakland on June 26, 2014 at 7:48 PM

Steven Goddard has recently uncovered evidence of extensive data manipulation of the temperature record by the Chicken Little Brigade, actually suggesting that it was hotter during the 1930s than now. And remember, the one thing that the warmist deceivers can’t mess with are the records for high and low temperatures.

And I’ve made the point before that as far as the world records for the hottest and coldest day, if we really had just gone through a century hockey stick warming, it shouldn’t be that the record for the hottest day, worldwide, was set in 1913, and the coldest day: 1983. Really, as the supposed runaway warming took off, the record for the coldest day should have been left back in the dust, set near the beginning of the 20th century. And the hottest day, that should have been set just very recently and most likely in the last decade, in “the hottest decade on record.” It’s backwards: the coldest 1983, the hottest 1913.

Well, it gets worse, much worse, for the warmists. I looked at the seven continents, and sure enough, lo and behold: 6 out of the 7 continents set their record for their coldest day after their record for the hottest day. I used this source (which used data from the World Meteorological Association).

Wait, don’t tell me, that can’t be the case, we’ve supposedly been going through a century of crazy hockey stick warming, and this? And if anyone thinks the 6 out 7 continents thing, as well as the worldwide record, is a fluke, guess what is really going to blow your socks off? I also clicked over to the WMA site, and I find the Northern Hemisphere set its record for the coldest day AFTER the record for the hottest day. And, the Southern Hemisphere set its record for the coldest day AFTER the record for the hottest day. And, the Western Hemisphere set its record for the coldest day AFTER the record for the hottest day. And, the Eastern Hemisphere set its record for the coldest day AFTER the record for the hottest day. Every single possible hemisphere set its cold record after its hot record. 6 out of 7 continents set its cold record after its hot record. Same with the world record. Something doesn’t add up, as far as the Chicken Little Brigade and their temperature “data.” Global warming my rear. This is a total charade. A century of runaway out of control hockey stick warming? Nope.

anotherJoe on June 26, 2014 at 7:48 PM

oakland, you were the guy engineer that didn’t know the raw data had been manipulated and no longer existed to be subjected to actual scientific review, right?

 
never said that; all scientific data is “manipulated” (else how could one make sense of it?)
 
oakland on June 26, 2014 at 7:42 PM

 
You didn’t have to say the actual words.
 

Going on three years now, and nobody – not one – has been able to answer any of the three questions I have posed over that time:

1) If the data sets are incorrect, and/or the scientists are falsifying the data, then where are the correct data?

oakland on August 20, 2013 at 9:28 PM

In a statement on its website, the CRU said: “We do not hold the original raw data but only the value-added (quality controlled and homogenised) data.”…

Climate change sceptics have long been keen to examine exactly how its data were compiled. That is now impossible…

“The CRU is basically saying, ‘Trust us’. So much for settling questions and resolving debates with science,” he said.

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/Migration/article191530.ece

rogerb on August 21, 2013 at 6:59 AM

 
Anyway,
 

all scientific data is “manipulated” (else how could one make sense of it?)
 
oakland on June 26, 2014 at 7:42 PM

 
As an engineer, you do realize the value of raw data as it relates to other scientists examining the validity of your work, correct?

rogerb on June 26, 2014 at 7:50 PM

oakland on June 26, 2014 at 7:46 PM

The certainty is all on your side, and it’s rife with political implications – hence the IPCC report. Your side is so certain they want skepticism flatly silenced, prosecuted even.

We’re the ones who are skeptical, asking questions, pointing out inconsistencies.

Buck Farky on June 26, 2014 at 7:50 PM

How many veterans died today because Obama.

faraway on June 26, 2014 at 7:51 PM

Poor oakland. It happened again.

rogerb on June 26, 2014 at 7:52 PM

“fluency in English is required”:

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Job Opening number: 14-ROL-DPKO-34627-R-NEW YORK (R)

davidk on June 26, 2014 at 7:54 PM

But, I might add, that I am flattered that you would record and store my comments!
 
oakland on June 26, 2014 at 7:42 PM

 
As an engineer, you do have some slight idea of how google works, correct?
 
rogerb on June 26, 2014 at 7:45 PM

 
I’m not a “google” engineer. But please don’t explain it all to me.
 
oakland on June 26, 2014 at 7:48 PM

 
Now that I think of it, I’m starting to understand why the Obama administration went with “their computers crashed” as their excuse to refuse to hand over the IRS records.

rogerb on June 26, 2014 at 7:57 PM

I think, we all are denialists about something.

oakland on June 26, 2014 at 7:34 PM

I’m not!

(I love Life of Brian)

Tlaloc on June 26, 2014 at 7:59 PM

I’m not a “google” engineer. But please don’t explain it all to me.

Just suffice to say that you do me too much honor.

Now, I go bike. Have a great day.

oakland on June 26, 2014 at 7:48 PM

It is Charles Johnson.

Johnnyreb on June 26, 2014 at 8:00 PM

never said that; all scientific data is “manipulated” (else how could one make sense of it?)

oakland on June 26, 2014 at 7:42 PM

An this is why I strongly point out that the resulting data was falsified.

By the way, the specific raw data I’ve been referring to was derived from tree rings. The original conclusions of AGW being directly impacted by humans, were drawn from the falsified results of the FORTRAN “computer model”.

You can find all this information out for yourself from a little digging around on the interwebs.

But I’m sure someone of your caliber of class of sophistication will easily see through it all enough to figure out the “truth”. That the Canadian statistician who found the FORTRAN program on the UN’s website and described exactly what it did 6 years before the relevant code from the program was leaked (during the GW “hide the decline” e-mail scandal) and ended up doing the exact same thing (falsifying the results of tree ring data) was just us cretins grasping for straws to continue our flat-earth, no-science, knuckle-dragging grunts and groans about “conspiracy”.

On second thought, how ’bout I just tell you to go pound sand with your stupid claims that the science is settled.

UnstChem on June 26, 2014 at 8:03 PM

The funny thing is, the overwhelming amount of money is on your side of the argument. And that money is contingent on promoting the most hysterical claims. You don’t get funding if you say the sky isn’t falling.

So spare us the sackcloth and ashes routine.

Buck Farky on June 26, 2014 at 7:47 PM

The funny thing is you thought y9ou could get away with that whopper of a lie. The oil companies alone have way more money than all the climatologists put together. Add to that Big Coal, Big Nat Gas, the auto companies, aerospace, and so on.

And yes climatologists do get paid even if they say the sky isn’t falling. How do you imagine these lies pass the laugh test? Have you ever met an actual scientist? Ever applied for a grant? Ever presented a paper to a conference? The “sky is falling” is usually a one way ticket to being labeled a kook. The only way people actually start saying it openly is when enough of them know it’s the case that they feel like they can say it without being laughed at.

Tlaloc on June 26, 2014 at 8:04 PM

And then the thread died.

SCIENCE!

rogerb on June 26, 2014 at 7:38 PM

Heh. It really did. And now he’s left this one. :)

butch on June 26, 2014 at 8:04 PM

Steven Goddard has recently uncovered evidence…

Not surprisingly Politifact found he was full of it:
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/jun/25/steve-doocy/foxs-doocy-nasa-fudged-data-make-case-global-warmi/

Tlaloc on June 26, 2014 at 8:07 PM

I think, we all are denialists about something.
 
oakland on June 26, 2014 at 7:34 PM

 
I’m not!
 
(I love Life of Brian)
 
Tlaloc on June 26, 2014 at 7:59 PM

 
This from the guy who thinks 8000 AIDS deaths are more noble than 8000 firearms deaths.
 
http://hotair.com/archives/2014/06/11/bloombergs-grassroots-gun-control-group-there-have-been-74-school-shootings-since-newtown/comment-page-3/#comment-8181091

rogerb on June 26, 2014 at 8:10 PM

This from the guy who thinks 8000 AIDS deaths are more noble than 8000 firearms deaths.

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/06/11/bloombergs-grassroots-gun-control-group-there-have-been-74-school-shootings-since-newtown/comment-page-3/#comment-8181091

rogerb on June 26, 2014 at 8:10 PM

Noble? I don’t think I used that term. I just wasn’t okay with your plan to round up and incinerate everyone with HIV as a way to distract people from the carnage your gun fetish causes.

I’m funny that way.

Tlaloc on June 26, 2014 at 8:12 PM

Steven Goddard has recently uncovered evidence…

 
Not surprisingly Politifact found he was full of it:
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/jun/25/steve-doocy/foxs-doocy-nasa-fudged-data-make-case-global-warmi/
 
Tlaloc on June 26, 2014 at 8:07 PM

 
So you believe politifact today?
 
http://hotair.com/archives/2014/05/12/chamber-of-commerce-head-to-gop-if-you-dont-pass-amnesty-this-year-dont-bother-running-a-candidate-in-2016/comment-page-3/#comment-8053750
 
Are they telling you the thing that supports your faith on this topic? Is that what’s different?

rogerb on June 26, 2014 at 8:13 PM

Tlaloc on June 26, 2014 at 8:04 PM

The big lie is yours. All those “bigs” fund a scant fraction of the money spent on climate research. You’re comparing apples to oranges (all the companies money they use for everything they do and the climatologists who only use it for climatology) and you expect us to believe you? Have you looked at the numbers for climate research, since that’s what we’re talking about.

Buck Farky on June 26, 2014 at 8:15 PM

Noble? I don’t think I used that term. I just wasn’t okay with your plan to round up and incinerate everyone with HIV as a way to distract people from the carnage your gun fetish causes.
 
I’m funny that way.
 
Tlaloc on June 26, 2014 at 8:12 PM

 
You’re making things up about my position to distract from your belief.
 
Link up if I’m wrong.
 
I’m not, of course. You’re simply a liar.

rogerb on June 26, 2014 at 8:15 PM

You did realize I linked the thread, right Tlaloc?

rogerb on June 26, 2014 at 8:16 PM

I just had to re-post this from that thread cause it literally blew my mind:

The 2nd amendment is an anachronism…

Tlaloc on June 11, 2014 at 8:19 PM

Yeah OK – cause obviously we’re way past the point of our gov’t EVER turning into a tyranny against us (and using the Global Warming Hoax to further it along) which was the main reason our Founding Fathers included it.

And we’re the ones that are delusional.

UnstChem on June 26, 2014 at 8:17 PM

Ok Jugears, you first..

Stop farting and exhaling for 1 year.

If the planet is cooler, I will be convinced.

Regardless, civilization will be saved!

txdoc on June 26, 2014 at 8:19 PM

So you believe politifact today?

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/05/12/chamber-of-commerce-head-to-gop-if-you-dont-pass-amnesty-this-year-dont-bother-running-a-candidate-in-2016/comment-page-3/#comment-8053750

Are they telling you the thing that supports your faith on this topic? Is that what’s different?

rogerb on June 26, 2014 at 8:13 PM

I’m surprised you still can’t get that what I didn’t trust was your interpretation of the numbers, not the numbers themselves. Whats more since the numbers were superseded by later much more accurate numbers it was transparent that you kept cling to the old numbers because the new numbers showed you were flat wrong, while the old ones were ambiguous enough you could seriously misconstrue them.

Tlaloc on June 26, 2014 at 8:22 PM

Ok Jugears, you first..

Stop farting and exhaling for 1 year.

If the planet is cooler, I will be convinced.

Regardless, civilization will be saved!

txdoc on June 26, 2014 at 8:19 PM

One of the funniest things I’ve read all day!

UnstChem on June 26, 2014 at 8:23 PM

Yeah OK – cause obviously we’re way past the point of our gov’t EVER turning into a tyranny against us (and using the Global Warming Hoax to further it along) which was the main reason our Founding Fathers included it.

And we’re the ones that are delusional.

UnstChem on June 26, 2014 at 8:17 PM

If the government turns against you your rifle won’t mean diddly. That’s why it’s an anachronism. Civilian militias are no longer a viable battlefield force.

Look Weaver had all kinds of guns the FBI steamrollered him. The Marines would have destroyed him in a second.

You and a gun are not a threat to the government. I’m sorry if that makes you sad but it’s reality. Deal with it.

Tlaloc on June 26, 2014 at 8:24 PM

I’m surprised you still can’t get that what I didn’t trust was your interpretation of the numbers, not the numbers themselves. Whats more since the numbers were superseded by later much more accurate numbers it was transparent that you kept cling to the old numbers because the new numbers showed you were flat wrong, while the old ones were ambiguous enough you could seriously misconstrue them.

Tlaloc on June 26, 2014 at 8:22 PM

WRONG!

The ice core sample data results that were used to create Algore’s hockey stick graph were later found to be intentionally interpreted wrong.

Try harder!

UnstChem on June 26, 2014 at 8:25 PM

You’re making things up about my position to distract from your belief.

Link up if I’m wrong.

I’m not, of course. You’re simply a liar.

rogerb on June 26, 2014 at 8:15 PM

Well since you lied about my position first it felt fair. :)

Tlaloc on June 26, 2014 at 8:26 PM

Let me ask you libtard trolls here a simple question

Is it warmer during the day or at night? Oftn 30 degrees or more difference.

Is this because of the sun or did we all stop exhaling in the darkness?

Just maybe that big old sun might control our temperatures here.

txdoc on June 26, 2014 at 8:26 PM

WRONG!

The ice core sample data results that were used to create Algore’s hockey stick graph were later found to be intentionally interpreted wrong.

Try harder!

UnstChem on June 26, 2014 at 8:25 PM

Unst, we were discussing health insurance in that thread. Would you like to try to say something relevant now?

Tlaloc on June 26, 2014 at 8:27 PM

rogerb on June 26, 2014 at 8:13 PM

 
I’m surprised you still can’t get that what I didn’t trust was your interpretation of the numbers, not the numbers themselves. Whats more since the numbers were superseded by later much more accurate numbers it was transparent that you kept cling to the old numbers because the new numbers showed you were flat wrong, while the old ones were ambiguous enough you could seriously misconstrue them.
 
Tlaloc on June 26, 2014 at 8:22 PM

 
Just want to skip right over the part where you’re nothing more than a liar who’ll say anything he needs to in order to defend whatever he thinks needs defending day to day?
 
Fine.
 
Anyway, do you mean the 5 million previously uninsured covered by Obamacare per Mother Jones, HuffPo, Daily Kos, etc.?
 
http://hotair.com/archives/2014/05/12/chamber-of-commerce-head-to-gop-if-you-dont-pass-amnesty-this-year-dont-bother-running-a-candidate-in-2016/comment-page-3/#comment-8054005
 
Or do you have new previously-uninsured numbers besides their 5 million?

rogerb on June 26, 2014 at 8:28 PM

Let me ask you libtard trolls here a simple question

Is it warmer during the day or at night? Oftn 30 degrees or more difference.

Is this because of the sun or did we all stop exhaling in the darkness?

Just maybe that big old sun might control our temperatures here.

txdoc on June 26, 2014 at 8:26 PM

There goes the kitchen sink!

UnstChem on June 26, 2014 at 8:28 PM

Let me ask you libtard trolls here a simple question

Is it warmer during the day or at night? Oftn 30 degrees or more difference.

Is this because of the sun or did we all stop exhaling in the darkness?

Just maybe that big old sun might control our temperatures here.

txdoc on June 26, 2014 at 8:26 PM

Yes nobody but you has noticed the sun is one influence on temperature. Congratulations. Have a cookie.

Tlaloc on June 26, 2014 at 8:29 PM

Everyone knows it is a myth, fraud, money grabber, and only God and Mother Nature controls the climate, not taxes or Washington.

Amazingoly on June 26, 2014 at 8:29 PM

You’re making things up about my position to distract from your belief.
 
Link up if I’m wrong.
 
I’m not, of course. You’re simply a liar.
 
rogerb on June 26, 2014 at 8:15 PM

 
Well since you lied about my position first it felt fair. :)
 
Tlaloc on June 26, 2014 at 8:26 PM

 
And you admit you’re a liar.
 
I linked to your position/thread for proof. You’re simply an opportunistic liar.
 
Nothing more.
 
Sorry, what were we supposed to be listening to your valuable opinion on again?

rogerb on June 26, 2014 at 8:30 PM

Yes nobody but you has noticed the sun is one influence on temperature. Congratulations. Have a cookie.

Tlaloc on June 26, 2014 at 8:29 PM

And apparently you’re of the clueless that doesn’t understand the Sun makes up almost all the influence of temperatures on the planet.

SCIENCE!

UnstChem on June 26, 2014 at 8:31 PM

Or do you have new previously-uninsured numbers besides their 5 million?

rogerb on June 26, 2014 at 8:28 PM

Sure, there was this:
http://kaiserfamilyfoundation.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/survey-of-non-group-health-insurance-enrollees-findings-final1.pdf

But since you ignore every bit of data that refutes you I have no intention of wasting my time listening to your “Nyuhuh!”r routine again.

Tlaloc on June 26, 2014 at 8:32 PM

Civilian militias are no longer a viable battlefield force.

Do the names Iraq or Afganistan mean anything to you ?

F X Muldoon on June 26, 2014 at 8:33 PM

And you admit you’re a liar.

rogerb on June 26, 2014 at 8:30 PM

I have no problem lying to liars. Since you lied first though I fail to see where you have any room to complain.

Tlaloc on June 26, 2014 at 8:33 PM

A liar and a race baiter.

Bmore on June 26, 2014 at 8:34 PM

Do the names Iraq or Afganistan mean anything to you ?

F X Muldoon on June 26, 2014 at 8:33 PM

I wasn’t even gonna bother replying to that idiotic comment.

I guess the BLM’s story of hundreds of armed citizens rising up against them was a cover story for the fact they forgot to bring a bag of dimes to get through the toll booth in the middle of the desert.

UnstChem on June 26, 2014 at 8:36 PM

And you admit you’re a liar.
 
rogerb on June 26, 2014 at 8:30 PM

 
I have no problem lying to liars. Since you lied first though I fail to see where you have any room to complain.
 
Tlaloc on June 26, 2014 at 8:33 PM

 
It’s hilarious that you’ll say it and just hope it sticks. It’s just like your
 

Noble? I don’t think I used that term. I just wasn’t okay with your plan to round up and incinerate everyone with HIV

 
you tried. You lie without any qualms whatsoever, don’t you? It’s clearly just a means to an end for you.
 
Shame about the link I provided to provide support for my statement, eh liar?

rogerb on June 26, 2014 at 8:41 PM

Whatever O wouldn’t know how the weather changes anyway….

sorrowen on June 26, 2014 at 8:42 PM

You and a gun are not a threat to the government. I’m sorry if that makes you sad but it’s reality. Deal with it.
Tlaloc on June 26, 2014 at 8:24 PM

What kind of advanced weapons did the Taliban, now victors in Afghanistan, use against the the US military?

crrr6 on June 26, 2014 at 8:42 PM

I try to avoid this argument because the the proponents tend to be so jealous about it and I don’t appreciate being called names.

Not a scientist and won’t attempt too argue charts, data etc.

I have however provided pretty well for my self and my family by being good at reading people, situations and motives.

I look at it like this:

I’m in a movie theater and the door busts open, a guy runs in and shouts “THIS PLACE IS ON FIRE! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!” Then he turns around and runs out. I’m going to take him seriously and take steps.

BUT

If I’m in a movie theater and a guy busts in and shouts “THIS PLACE IS ON FIRE! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!” And then then proceeds to sit down in the now empty chairs and waits for the movie to start, while arranging his popcorn bucket and JuJu Bees; I’m gonna assume he’s lying.

If these folks REALLY bought what they are selling, THEY WOULD ACT LIKE IT!

As long as Al Gore maintains multiple residences with HUGE carbon footprints and is purchasing waterfront property, as long as the IPCC is jetting thousands of folks from all over the world to conferences that could be handled by Skype, as long FLOTUS is bopping around the world on jets with who knows how many hangers on, I’m going to continue to assume I’m being lied too.

The day Al Gore retreats to a mountain top, off the grid cabin is the day I start to take AGW seriously.

NorthCountry on June 26, 2014 at 8:45 PM

Or do you have new previously-uninsured numbers besides their 5 million?
 
rogerb on June 26, 2014 at 8:28 PM

 
Sure, there was this:
http://kaiserfamilyfoundation.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/survey-of-non-group-health-insurance-enrollees-findings-final1.pdf
 
But since you ignore every bit of data that refutes you I have no intention of wasting my time listening to your “Nyuhuh!”r routine again.
 
Tlaloc on June 26, 2014 at 8:32 PM

 
Shame you haven’t refuted a single thing, then. Like this link you just tried. It’s pretty funny how a ctl+f of the word “million” isn’t coming up anywhere in it.
 
Did you bother reading it at all, or did the guy in the robe just tell you it was 6000 years old?
 
So do you have any new actual numbers like you mentioned, Tlaloc, or should we stick with the 5M data we’ve already established through Obama-friendly websites and links?

rogerb on June 26, 2014 at 8:51 PM

Tlaloc, oakland:

What’s the earth’s temperature supposed to be?

questionmark on June 26, 2014 at 8:54 PM

I try to avoid this argument because the the proponents tend to be so jealous about it and I don’t appreciate being called names.

Not a scientist and won’t attempt too argue charts, data etc.

I have however provided pretty well for my self and my family by being good at reading people, situations and motives.

I look at it like this:

I’m in a movie theater and the door busts open, a guy runs in and shouts “THIS PLACE IS ON FIRE! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!” Then he turns around and runs out. I’m going to take him seriously and take steps.

BUT

If I’m in a movie theater and a guy busts in and shouts “THIS PLACE IS ON FIRE! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!” And then then proceeds to sit down in the now empty chairs and waits for the movie to start, while arranging his popcorn bucket and JuJu Bees; I’m gonna assume he’s lying.

If these folks REALLY bought what they are selling, THEY WOULD ACT LIKE IT!

As long as Al Gore maintains multiple residences with HUGE carbon footprints and is purchasing waterfront property, as long as the IPCC is jetting thousands of folks from all over the world to conferences that could be handled by Skype, as long FLOTUS is bopping around the world on jets with who knows how many hangers on, I’m going to continue to assume I’m being lied too.

The day Al Gore retreats to a mountain top, off the grid cabin is the day I start to take AGW seriously.

NorthCountry on June 26, 2014 at 8:45 PM

Racist!

UnstChem on June 26, 2014 at 8:54 PM

It has nothing to do with foolishness, and everything to do with faith. He’s already told us he won’t (can’t) manage data himself and will rely on what the preacher tells him about the earth being 6000 years old before they sing “Just As I Am” and go to the gym for casseroles and jello with little marshmallows in it.

Someone has told him this is what he’s supposed to believe in, and he believes in it. Simple as that.

rogerb on June 26, 2014 at 6:11 PM

I started on this page of the thread, so I’m not certain to whom you are referring, but the cognitive aspect describes Obama perfectly. He is totally incapable of examining or understanding the actual data or hypotheses underlying the CAGW hysteria, so he takes people like Mann at their word, ignoring the huge amount of gain they get by promoting their research. Faith, pure and simple, no science, no logic, no critical thinking, just blind worship of the academic status quo. They told Obama what to believe in and he believes it. Simple as that.

talkingpoints on June 26, 2014 at 8:58 PM

Obama violent tornadoes can’t be regulated…you can try to give them a wind tax I guess. Or sign a executive order saying they can’t strike DC…

sorrowen on June 26, 2014 at 9:07 PM

The funny thing is, the overwhelming amount of money is on your side of the argument. And that money is contingent on promoting the most hysterical claims. You don’t get funding if you say the sky isn’t falling.

So spare us the sackcloth and ashes routine.

Buck Farky on June 26, 2014 at 7:47 PM

The funny thing is you thought y9ou could get away with that whopper of a lie. The oil companies alone have way more money than all the climatologists put together. Add to that Big Coal, Big Nat Gas, the auto companies, aerospace, and so on.

And yes climatologists do get paid even if they say the sky isn’t falling. No they don’t-They don’t get grant money and they don’t get tenure.

How do you imagine these lies pass the laugh test? OK, you’ve got me there. How does that guy from Stanford get away with saying we’ll all be cannibals within a few years because of CAGW without people laughing right in his face? Ya got me.
Have you ever met an actual scientist? Yes

Ever applied for a grant? Yes. Gotten funding-yes

Ever presented a paper to a conference? Yes, published-yes,reviewed for peer review journals-yes

The “sky is falling” is usually a one way ticket to being labeled a kook. Not if it’s PC.

The only way people actually start saying it openly is when enough of them know it’s the case that they feel like they can say it without being laughed at.

Tlaloc on June 26, 2014 at 8:04 PM

I don’t know who you are but you don’t seem to know very much about academic politics.

talkingpoints on June 26, 2014 at 9:10 PM

You pikers are exhaling poisonous gas into the atmosphere and forcing plants to breathe it. No wonder they turn green.

Parmenides on June 26, 2014 at 9:11 PM

Everyone knows the earth is supposed to have a certain temperature and when it doesn’t have that certain temperature it’s our fault.

Our thermometers are heating up the earth.

Parmenides on June 26, 2014 at 9:16 PM

Now, I go bike.

oakland on June 26, 2014 at 7:48 PM

What yo forgot to add.

Grunt. Now I go run away. Now I give up as my arse was handed to me.

You’re just another boring idiot who thinks he knows ONE thing. Truly laughable. I’d like to see Alchemist and you have a conversation… you could hear a pin drop in China during that conversation.

CW on June 26, 2014 at 9:20 PM

Or do you have new previously-uninsured numbers besides their 5 million?
 
rogerb on June 26, 2014 at 8:28 PM

Sure, there was this:
 
http://kaiserfamilyfoundation.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/survey-of-non-group-health-insurance-enrollees-findings-final1.pdf
 
But since you ignore every bit of data that refutes you I have no intention of wasting my time listening to your “Nyuhuh!”r routine again.
 
Tlaloc on June 26, 2014 at 8:32 PM

 
Poor Tlaloc.
 
He managed to accidentally link a survey that he thought supported his faith but actually reinforced the 5 million previously uninsured number he despises so much. From his link:
 

…nearly six in ten (57 percent) of those with Exchange coverage were uninsured prior to purchasing their current plan. ..
 
Among those who were previously uninsured and enrolled in a Marketplace plan, most say the reason they previously lacked coverage was because they couldn’t afford it or had no access to employer-sponsored insurance. Most of this group had been uninsured for a long time – seven in ten (71 percent) say that before buying their current plan they had been uninsured for two years or more

 
71% of 57% of 8 million enrollees?
 
3.24 million previously uninsured.
 
Add that to Politifact’s best-case Medicaid number of 2.36M, and you get 5.6 million.
 
Obamacare only covered 5 million 5.6 million previously uninsured people.
 
Per Tlaloc.
 
Thanks for the link, Tlaloc. That’s hilarious.

rogerb on June 26, 2014 at 9:21 PM

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