US Archivist: The IRS ‘did not follow the law’

posted at 12:41 pm on June 24, 2014 by Noah Rothman

In testimony before the House Oversight Committee, United States Archivist David Ferriero was asked directly if the Internal Revenue Service disobeyed the law by failing to archive electronic communications and destroying the evidence of those communications. Ferriero conceded that the IRS did not follow the Federal Records Act.

On Tuesday, Rep. Tim Walberg (R-MI) asked Ferriero if the IRS had reported the loss of two years’ of former executive Lois Lerner’s emails prior to disclosing that this month.

“No,” Ferriero replied.

When asked if the IRS violated the Federal Records Act, Ferriero said that the law requires every federal agency to notify the Archives if they determine they have lost records. He did, however, refuse to say whether the agency broke the law because he was not an attorney.

“If they didn’t follow [the Federal Records Act], can we safely assume they broke the law?” Walberg asked.

“They did not follow the law,” Ferriero replied.


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There’s a surprise.

formwiz on June 24, 2014 at 12:42 PM

Too big to jail …

ShainS on June 24, 2014 at 12:43 PM

Not a smidgen of corruption…..

chuckfinlay on June 24, 2014 at 12:43 PM

WHY do we keep treating Eric Holder like he’s the ONLY PROSECUTOR in the world?

He isn’t you know.

States Attorney Generals are RESPONSIBLE for protecting their citizens. They should be bringing charges themselves against corrupt federal officials.

ConstantineXI on June 24, 2014 at 12:43 PM

Not a smidgen of corruption…..

chuckfinlay on June 24, 2014 at 12:43 PM

This actually turned out to be true. There is an OCEAN of corruption…

ConstantineXI on June 24, 2014 at 12:44 PM

US Archivist: The IRS ‘did not follow the law’, unexpectedly.

whatcat on June 24, 2014 at 12:44 PM

…who enforces the law?

JugEarsButtHurt on June 24, 2014 at 12:44 PM

Somebody should let Koskinen know.

MTF on June 24, 2014 at 12:46 PM

This is bipartisan corruption, Boehner and McConnell are co conspirators with the Whitehouse and the Democrats, Boehner and McConnell will make damned sure that no one is prosecuted regardless of how many laws were broken.

oscarwilde on June 24, 2014 at 12:47 PM

The IRS has laws ???

viking01 on June 24, 2014 at 12:48 PM

I am sure that like the Rose Law firm’s billing records, the relevant Lerner e-mails will ultimately be “found” when the statute of limitations on prosecuting has been run out.

Happy Nomad on June 24, 2014 at 12:48 PM

♫ Hey, ho, way to go Gestapo….♫

(apologies to The Pretenders)

viking01 on June 24, 2014 at 12:49 PM

Mistakes were made.

Dolce Far Niente on June 24, 2014 at 12:50 PM

Why no open thread on yesterday’s and today’s hearings amazes me. Especially when last night’s hearing became such “must see” when Congressmen Issa & Gowdy were nailing the IRS Commish’s ass to a cross. I’m reduced to watching CSPAN. Luckily I can multitask.

D-fusit on June 24, 2014 at 12:50 PM

U.S. geologist : Soil is dirty.

corona79 on June 24, 2014 at 12:50 PM

I just wanna know who is sitting behind Issa and the rest of the members up there making these witnesses smirk the way they do.

BKeyser on June 24, 2014 at 12:50 PM

♫ Hey, ho, way to go Gestapo….♫

(apologies to The Pretenders)

viking01 on June 24, 2014 at 12:49 PM

I think you spelled Gaystapo wrong…

oscarwilde on June 24, 2014 at 12:50 PM

…who enforces the law?

JugEarsButtHurt on June 24, 2014 at 12:44 PM

Unfortunately, we are quickly becoming a country with no laws to speak of.

Just might makes right.

tetriskid on June 24, 2014 at 12:50 PM

Has someone let the President know this yet???

Boy oh boy, is he going to be mad!

ToddPA on June 24, 2014 at 12:51 PM

He did, however, refuse to say whether the agency broke the law because he was not an attorney.

Officer: Do you know you were speeding?
Ferriero: I’m not an attorney, so no.

Flange on June 24, 2014 at 12:52 PM

The IRS ‘did not follow the law’

obama told his IRS to violate the law – obama is behind this entire cover-up/scheme.

Pork-Chop on June 24, 2014 at 12:52 PM

Has someone let the President know this yet???

Boy oh boy, is he going to be mad!

ToddPA on June 24, 2014 at 12:51 PM

Alice had her Mad Hatter, we have our Nobody is Madder pResident…

oscarwilde on June 24, 2014 at 12:52 PM

Unfortunately, we are quickly becoming a country with no laws to speak of.

Just might makes right.

tetriskid on June 24, 2014 at 12:50 PM

Not quite, we have laws just a real lack of enforcement especially at the federal level.

D-fusit on June 24, 2014 at 12:53 PM

What is this law you speak of?

/IRS

Mark Boabaca on June 24, 2014 at 12:53 PM

The IRS didn’t have the budget to follow the law, that came out a number of times in this mornings hearing. In 2009 I didn’t have the budget to pay my taxes. The IRS wasn’t going to accept that.

The Political Class are a law unto themselves. It’s not R against D, it’s us against them.

Walter L. Newton on June 24, 2014 at 12:53 PM

.. and again, Sonasoft Exchange Server Backup does “archive electronic communications”

corona79 on June 24, 2014 at 12:54 PM

“They did not follow the law,”

Appears to be a recurring theme with this administration.

GarandFan on June 24, 2014 at 12:54 PM

tetriskid on June 24, 2014 at 12:50 PM

Not quite, we have laws just a real lack of enforcement especially at the federal level.

D-fusit on June 24, 2014 at 12:53 PM

Close, we have laws coming out our wazoo… Only us peon’s and serfs have to obey them though. The self anointed political aristocracy are exempt from following them.

oscarwilde on June 24, 2014 at 12:55 PM

In this Administration, there is the self-granted executive power to chose which laws to enforce / obey and which laws can be ignored / broken.

That, by itself, should frighten all of us to our core.

Athos on June 24, 2014 at 12:56 PM

I think you spelled Gaystapo wrong…

oscarwilde on June 24, 2014 at 12:50 PM

Is that the new trend at IRS?

viking01 on June 24, 2014 at 12:56 PM

Not quite, we have laws just a real lack of enforcement especially at the federal level.

D-fusit on June 24, 2014 at 12:53 PM

Do we?

Because we seem to have entire branches of Government that don’t follow these “laws” & smirk and laugh when they are caught destroying evidence.

If the average citizen was caught destroying evidence they wouldn’t be smirking.

So, no I don’t have much faith in our laws.

tetriskid on June 24, 2014 at 12:56 PM

Career ending in 3…2…1…

Ricard on June 24, 2014 at 12:56 PM

Ferriero conceded that the IRS did not follow the Federal Records Act.

Laws have been broken. If Obama takes no action it’ll be a tacit admission that he ordered, or at a minimum, approves of the crimes.

forest on June 24, 2014 at 12:57 PM

.. and again, Sonasoft Exchange Server Backup does “archive electronic communications”

corona79 on June 24, 2014 at 12:54 PM

Really, is that why the Obama election team is now working for a relative of one of Sonasoft’s senior administrators?

oscarwilde on June 24, 2014 at 12:57 PM

oscarwilde on June 24, 2014 at 12:55 PM

Better stated, thanks.

D-fusit on June 24, 2014 at 12:58 PM

I think you spelled Gaystapo wrong…

oscarwilde on June 24, 2014 at 12:50 PM

Is that the new trend at IRS?

viking01 on June 24, 2014 at 12:56 PM

It’s the trend with the entire rest of the Federal Government, why would the IRS be any different?

oscarwilde on June 24, 2014 at 12:58 PM

Some important details from Ed Morrissey:

http://theweek.com/article/index/263304/the-irss-stunning-and-shameful-record-keeping-hypocrisy

The claim that the IRS recycles its backup tapes every six months is equally ludicrous. The federal government has more strict expectations for publicly held corporations. Sarbanes-Oxley regulations passed more than a decade ago specifically require retention of email data for five years, and make the kind of destruction claimed by the IRS in this instance a crime punishable by 20 years in prison.

The IRS claim raised eyebrows at the National Archives and Records Administration, which is tasked with preserving important federal records, calling itself “concerned” that a hard drive failure would wipe out two years’ worth of what should be permanent records. The IRS’s own manual made it clear that the storage of email was important enough to have permanent backups of their data. “IRS offices will not store the official recordkeeping copy of email messages that are federal records ONLY on the electronic mail system,” and even went so far as to require hard copies “for record-keeping purposes.”

gwelf on June 24, 2014 at 12:59 PM

This isn’t Law law. So they’re fine…

ToddPA on June 24, 2014 at 12:59 PM

Crickets from lsm

cmsinaz on June 24, 2014 at 1:00 PM

States Attorney Generals are RESPONSIBLE for protecting their citizens. They should be bringing charges themselves against corrupt federal officials.

ConstantineXI on June 24, 2014 at 12:43 PM

Through statute, and precedent, federal officials are immune from state prosecution.

cozmo on June 24, 2014 at 1:00 PM

oscarwilde on June 24, 2014 at 12:58 PM

Like Koskinen’s official cross-dressing dress code he mentioned on Page 7?

viking01 on June 24, 2014 at 1:02 PM

I thought I heard at some point during Koskinen’s testimony when asked if he reported the problems with Lerner’s emails to anyone when he found out there may be an issue with them he appears to says “I was advised” but then caught himself and went in another direction. Of course, it seems, if you tried to pin him on who advised him and exactly what did they advise he would be unable to recall who or what.

Buckshots on June 24, 2014 at 1:02 PM

And the State Run Media yawns….

d1carter on June 24, 2014 at 1:03 PM

They did follow it, they’re just covering up their crimes now because they know they’ll get away with it.

p0s3r on June 24, 2014 at 1:03 PM

Anyone else watching this on CSPAN?

The WH Lawyer (former IRS Lawyer), Ms. O’Connor has answered almost every question posed to her as thus; SO, let me just say etc….

Answering questions with the first word out of your pie hole is SO shows untruthfulness and it is damn irritating.

D-fusit on June 24, 2014 at 1:05 PM

The IRS acted “stupidly.”

Jayrae on June 24, 2014 at 1:05 PM

.. and again, Sonasoft Exchange Server Backup does “archive electronic communications”

corona79 on June 24, 2014 at 12:54 PM

According to the testimony last night, Sonasoft was ONLY backing up data for the IRS General Council office and it’s 3000 employees.

They were NOT archiving the whole IRS organization.

Walter L. Newton on June 24, 2014 at 1:06 PM

Answering questions with the first word out of your pie hole is SO shows untruthfulness and it is damn irritating.

D-fusit on June 24, 2014 at 1:05 PM

She’s a lawyer, so it just goes to prove that the old saying about a million lawyer’s at the bottom of the ocean really is a good start.

oscarwilde on June 24, 2014 at 1:07 PM

Whatever. This an $5 will get me a cup of coffee.

Midas on June 24, 2014 at 1:07 PM

D-fusit on June 24, 2014 at 1:05 PM

Human nature remains human nature…and it is evident in how people act.

Innocent people act one way. Those guilty or with something to hide act another way.

One can either believe what they see or only see what they want to believe.

Athos on June 24, 2014 at 1:08 PM

oscarwilde on June 24, 2014 at 1:07 PM

Exactly

D-fusit on June 24, 2014 at 1:09 PM

Athos on June 24, 2014 at 1:08 PM

Truth!

D-fusit on June 24, 2014 at 1:10 PM

The lizard-Gollum at the IRS needs to get a reality check.

His smile is offensive.

Schadenfreude on June 24, 2014 at 1:13 PM

. and again, Sonasoft Exchange Server Backup does “archive electronic communications”

corona79 on June 24, 2014 at 12:54 PM

The commish stated last evening that Sonasoft was hired ONLY for the chief council’s office of the IRS.

How convenient. Unsurprisingly none of the GOP mental midgets asked why.

This is Boehner’s Dog and Pony Show.

Jayrae on June 24, 2014 at 1:17 PM

Schadenfreude on June 24, 2014 at 1:13 PM

He’s there to protect his precious…. Il Doofus, the 44th President of the United States.

Athos on June 24, 2014 at 1:17 PM

I like a good Dem scandal as much as the next guy, but if laws were broken, when do we get to the stage of actually, you know, filing charges against someone?

faraway on June 24, 2014 at 1:17 PM

And you just know O’s ‘Justice’ Dept is going to pursue this. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah…..

vnvet on June 24, 2014 at 1:18 PM

The IRS is … “the law.”
.
Now … the rest of you peasants better get back to work, so you’ll have enough to live on, after we take our portion.

listens2glenn on June 24, 2014 at 1:18 PM

Question: If the Feral Government doesn’t have to follow the law, why do the people?

DinaRehn on June 24, 2014 at 1:19 PM

I just wanna know who is sitting behind Issa and the rest of the members up there making these witnesses smirk the way they do.

BKeyser on June 24, 2014 at 12:50 PM

Hey, you’d be smirking too if somebody kept doing the “bunny ears” thing behind some Congresscritter as he or she is making a statement for the cameras.

Seriously, they smirk because they know the Democrats have their backs even though they broke the law and are committing perjury.

Happy Nomad on June 24, 2014 at 1:20 PM

This is bipartisan corruption, Boehner and McConnell are co conspirators with the Whitehouse and the Democrats, Boehner and McConnell will make damned sure that no one is prosecuted regardless of how many laws were broken.

oscarwilde on June 24, 2014 at 12:47 PM

This is absurd and in the current political environment, is harmfull. To say this is bipartisan corruption and then blame Boehner and McConnelll of doing the things the IRS did is outright lying. That is harmful in this climate, because the captive MSM and people who did the corruption will engage in the “everybody did it” finger painting. They can say “oscarwilde” even agrees with them.
The absurdity comes from the idea that because someone was on the fifth floor of a building, looked out a window and saw bank robbers driving away, that person is guilty of robbing the bank because he did not jump out the window and stop them. And it was ok for the m to rob the bank, because banks are robbed all the time. You, sir, are another example of someone who escaped his darwin fate.

By the way, under our Constitution, Boehner and McConnell have no more say in who gets prosecuted than oscarwilde. Be thankful for that!

Old Country Boy on June 24, 2014 at 1:22 PM

I like a good Dem scandal as much as the next guy, but if laws were broken, when do we get to the stage of actually, you know, filing charges against someone?

faraway on June 24, 2014 at 1:17 PM

They will get right on that.

forest on June 24, 2014 at 1:24 PM

So when did they stop ‘following’ the law??

Did they ever??

Who ordered them to stop???

BigWyo on June 24, 2014 at 1:25 PM

This is bipartisan corruption, Boehner and McConnell are co conspirators with the Whitehouse and the Democrats
oscarwilde on June 24, 2014 at 12:47 PM

Really, and what is the factual basis for that incendiary charge?

DinaRehn on June 24, 2014 at 1:25 PM

Question: If the Feral Government doesn’t have to follow the law, why do the people?

DinaRehn on June 24, 2014 at 1:19 PM

Because the Feral Government has a known and accepted monopoly on violence and have proven on multiple occasions that they will not hesitate to employ it. Yes, America has become a tyranny of the minority where the political aristocracy is immune to the laws that the peons and serfs are subject to.

oscarwilde on June 24, 2014 at 1:25 PM

oscarwilde on June 24, 2014 at 1:25 PM

That doesn’t answer the question – do the people have to follow the law if the Feral government does not?

DinaRehn on June 24, 2014 at 1:27 PM

oscarwilde on June 24, 2014 at 1:25 PM

That doesn’t answer the question – do the people have to follow the law if the Feral government does not?

DinaRehn on June 24, 2014 at 1:27 PM

Do you want to get shot for refusing to do what the man with the gun tells you? So the answer is yes, you still have to follow the law whether various government officials have to or not.

oscarwilde on June 24, 2014 at 1:31 PM

Pssst. Like in all dictatorships—they are the law!

Don L on June 24, 2014 at 1:32 PM

According to the testimony last night, Sonasoft was ONLY backing up data for the IRS General Council office and it’s 3000 employees.

They were NOT archiving the whole IRS organization.

Walter L. Newton on June 24, 2014 at 1:06 PM

Yes, I heard that exchange but once again the “stupid party” didn’t ask why only the General Council’s Office and state that they certainly got paid a boat load of money for only 3000 people.

Jayrae on June 24, 2014 at 1:37 PM

oscarwilde on June 24, 2014 at 1:31 PM

Obviously, you’re not going to answer the question since you given two chances to do so and dodged it each time.

Are you saying we have to follow the law because we have a Pro-Oppressive government?

So we now longer have a government that has the consent of the governed?

DinaRehn on June 24, 2014 at 1:38 PM

That doesn’t answer the question – do the people have to follow the law if the Feral government does not?

DinaRehn on June 24, 2014 at 1:27 PM

Apparently, not always. Or, at least, at one time in our history.

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

IrishEyes on June 24, 2014 at 1:41 PM

Someone should revisit U.S. V. Richard Nixon: The Final Crisis (written by Frank Mankiewicz in 1975). Historical perspective is always healthy.

tjmorrill on June 24, 2014 at 1:42 PM

Who was the IRS commissioner when this all went down?

d1carter on June 24, 2014 at 1:44 PM

Answering questions with the first word out of your pie hole is SO shows untruthfulness and it is damn irritating.

It is usually the first sign that arrogance is about to follow.

Buckshots on June 24, 2014 at 1:47 PM

According to the testimony last night, Sonasoft was ONLY backing up data for the IRS General Council office and it’s 3000 employees.

They were NOT archiving the whole IRS organization.

Walter L. Newton on June 24, 2014 at 1:06 PM

It’s still relevant. Lerner was exchanging emails with several lawyers in that office regarding the targeting.

climbnjump on June 24, 2014 at 1:47 PM

Who was the IRS commissioner when this all went down?

d1carter on June 24, 2014 at 1:44 PM

Doug Shulman for most of it.

climbnjump on June 24, 2014 at 1:50 PM

Has someone let the President know this yet???

Boy oh boy, is he going to be mad!

ToddPA on June 24, 2014 at 12:51 PM

Especially while he is taking a mulligan on his putting at the Par 5.

Cherokee on June 24, 2014 at 1:50 PM

oscarwilde on June 24, 2014 at 1:31 PM

Obviously, you’re not going to answer the question since you given two chances to do so and dodged it each time.

Are you saying we have to follow the law because we have a Pro-Oppressive government?

So we now longer have a government that has the consent of the governed?

DinaRehn on June 24, 2014 at 1:38 PM

How could I possibly have answered you any more clearly? I’m telling you, that as long as the Feral Government has people with guns who are willing and happy to shoot you if you do not do what they say, what difference does it make whether they have the consent of the governed or not?

Do you think it is an accident that even the Department of
Education and the FDA have Tactical SWAT units? That 54 feral bureaucracies have tactical SWAT Teams?

Yes, the Feral government has a monopoly on violence and will not hesitate to use it if you do not obey the laws. Consent of the Governed is no longer a part of the equation.

oscarwilde on June 24, 2014 at 1:50 PM

This is bipartisan corruption, Boehner and McConnell are co conspirators with the Whitehouse and the Democrats
oscarwilde on June 24, 2014 at 12:47 PM

Really, and what is the factual basis for that incendiary charge?

Still waiting for an answer…….

DinaRehn on June 24, 2014 at 1:51 PM

Again, why are these people not in jail?

College Prof on June 24, 2014 at 1:52 PM

This is bipartisan corruption, Boehner and McConnell are co conspirators with the Whitehouse and the Democrats
oscarwilde on June 24, 2014 at 12:47 PM

Really, and what is the factual basis for that incendiary charge?

Still waiting for an answer…….

DinaRehn on June 24, 2014 at 1:51 PM

You’ll get that answer just as soon as Lois Lerner’s emails show up, or possibly when Boehner and McConnell file Articles of Impeachment against Obama…

oscarwilde on June 24, 2014 at 1:53 PM

When asked if the IRS violated the Federal Records Act, Ferriero said that the law requires every federal agency to notify the Archives if they determine they have lost records. He did, however, refuse to say whether the agency broke the law because he was not an attorney.

“If they didn’t follow [the Federal Records Act], can we safely assume they broke the law?” Walberg asked.

“They did not follow the law,” Ferriero replied.

The IRS will claim that they did not violate the notification law because they (per Koskinen) do not consider emails to be “federal records”.

climbnjump on June 24, 2014 at 1:55 PM

oscarwilde on June 24, 2014 at 1:53 PM

So, in other words, that charge of yours isn’t worth the electronics it was written on.

Why do you keep on repeating something you cannot back up?

DinaRehn on June 24, 2014 at 1:58 PM

♫ Hey, ho, way to go Gestapo….♫

(apologies to The Pretenders)

viking01 on June 24, 2014 at 12:49 PM

Just wiki’ed that song, and Chryssie Hynde is cooler than I’ve always thought. Though she leans left, when EMI slapped a cease and desist on Rush Limbaugh for using that song, she said she didn’t mind, because her parents listened to his show, and she didn’t want to be divisive. He could continue using the bassline (all he ever used) as long as he paid royalties, which she donated to PETA.

ezspirit on June 24, 2014 at 1:59 PM

It’s still relevant. Lerner was exchanging emails with several lawyers in that office regarding the targeting.

climbnjump on June 24, 2014 at 1:47 PM

And the committee may have those emails. I don’t know, but not every email in Lerner’s world disappeared, some 26,000 or more emails have been delivered.

If the IRS and others would stop moving targets, maybe someone up there can get a handle on just what is available and what’s not.

Good luck with that.

Walter L. Newton on June 24, 2014 at 2:01 PM

oscarwilde on June 24, 2014 at 1:53 PM

So, in other words, that charge of yours isn’t worth the electronics it was written on.

Why do you keep on repeating something you cannot back up?

DinaRehn on June 24, 2014 at 1:58 PM

Are you conveniently forgetting that both Boehner and McConnell were attacking the TEA Parties at the exact same time. Are you forgetting how many deals that Boehner and McConnell made with the Whitehouse that betrayed the GOP base? Or are you just another GOPe shill?

oscarwilde on June 24, 2014 at 2:01 PM

Doug Shulman for most of it.

climbnjump on June 24, 2014 at 1:50 PM

yah, and he visited the White House 151 times during the last 2 years 2011-2012) of his tenure (2008-2012), mostly just for Easter Egg hunts according to him and he’s married to a very strident Democratic lady (altho I really wondered about that lady part) operative….see it’s all so awfully random and coincidental.

gracie on June 24, 2014 at 2:03 PM

If the penalties and repercussions of breaking the law by destoying evidence are relatively minor compared to the repercussions of what that evidence would prove, then destroying the evidence would be the logical thing to do.

Immoral, illegal, and probably impeachment-worthy, but logical.

iurockhead on June 24, 2014 at 2:06 PM

So, has anyone testified that the printouts of the email messages were done with invisible ink? Does anyone on the Panel know the difference between a client and a server?

corona79 on June 24, 2014 at 2:06 PM

Boehner and McConnell …..
oscarwilde on June 24, 2014 at 2:01 PM

They have to be scared shi!less into doing the conservative thing and then u have top watch their every move and slap them up along side of their heads when u catch them falling of the wagon again. When the R’s get the Senate there better be a full court press to impeach both Holder and Obama.
Sayonara fellas…it was most unpleasant doing business with ya

gracie on June 24, 2014 at 2:12 PM

oscarwilde on June 24, 2014 at 2:01 PM

This way your original charge:

This is bipartisan corruption, Boehner and McConnell are co conspirators with the Whitehouse and the Democrats,

oscarwilde on June 24, 2014 at 12:47 PM

Why are you trying to deflect away from your inability to back up your original charge?

I’m trying to be gracious here, but so far you have yet to provide any proof to backup a statement you have made repeatedly.

DinaRehn on June 24, 2014 at 2:13 PM

climbnjump on June 24, 2014 at 1:50 PM

Yep! Thanks for reminding me. This is the guy that was close to the White House…we need to hear more from him.

d1carter on June 24, 2014 at 2:14 PM

Soon to be the former U.S. Archivist.

Ward Cleaver on June 24, 2014 at 2:23 PM

Fiddle

Schadenfreude on June 24, 2014 at 2:37 PM

oscarwilde on June 24, 2014 at 12:47 PM

I understand what you are saying about Boehner and McConnell being against the TP, but the sentence you used to link to your article
has nothing to do with the article itself. Misleading.

Barred on June 24, 2014 at 2:39 PM

Some really smart guy once said:

“When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”

It damn sure don’t look like they’re afraid of us…

Oldnuke on June 24, 2014 at 3:41 PM

Since they are supposedly using Outlook and the Microsoft Exchange servers, the emails most likely were never on Lerner’s computer. Issa brought this up last night but the MSM is clueless about this.

Jasper61 on June 24, 2014 at 4:05 PM

Not a bad point. Starting with Ohio. What Ohio laws were broken in Cincinnati? Was Lois Lerner’s office in DC? Or VA? What other offices have been implicated, in which states?

Arnold Yabenson on June 24, 2014 at 4:14 PM

WHY do we keep treating Eric Holder like he’s the ONLY PROSECUTOR in the world?

He isn’t you know.

States Attorney Generals are RESPONSIBLE for protecting their citizens. They should be bringing charges themselves against corrupt federal officials.

ConstantineXI on June 24, 2014 at 12:43 PM

Not a bad point. Starting with Ohio. What Ohio laws were broken in Cincinnati? Was Lois Lerner’s office in DC? Or VA? What other offices have been implicated, in which states?

Arnold Yabenson on June 24, 2014 at 4:15 PM

Thumbslip. Sorry

Arnold Yabenson on June 24, 2014 at 4:16 PM

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