White House notified of missing IRS e-mail 6 weeks before Congress?

posted at 12:41 pm on June 20, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

In today’s hearing, IRS Commissioner John Koskinen insisted that he had been open and honest with Congress about the sudden lack of e-mail data for key figures in the IRS targeting scandal, including Lois Lerner. For instance, in this exchange with Paul Ryan which Noah already featured, Koskinen insists that he told Congress about the issue on Monday — although Ryan points out that the information about the six other purported hard-drive failures only came to light because Congress asked about it after last Friday’s announcement about Lerner’s hard drive:

In another exchange picked up by CNS News between Koskinen and Ways and Means chair Dave Camp, though, it turns out that the IRS managed to let Treasury and the White House know about the gap in the archives long before Congress had to ask for the information. Camp told Koskinen that he’d received a letter from the White House explaining that they knew about the hard drive failure in April, having been informed by the Department of the Treasury. Camp wanted an explanation for why Koskinen failed to inform Congress, where two House committees and one Senate committee had demanded that information ever since May 2013:

“The IRS knew in February, or maybe even in March, and Treasury and the White House knew at least in April — but Congress and the American people didn’t find out until June. Were you purposely not telling us?” House Ways and Means Chair Dave Camp (R-Mich.) asked Koskinen. “Were you purposely not revealing this to the American people?”

“No, as I told you…our original thought was to complete the Lois Lerner email production–complete the review of what other custodians (IRS employees) had a problem, and produce a report to you, laying it all out,” Koskinen said.

“So why did the IRS inform the Executive Branch agencies, the White House, the administration, but kept it secret from the Congress, who was conducting an investigation?” Camp asked.

“We were not keeping it a secret,” Koskinen said. “It was our public report to you that has in fact provided you this information, there’s been no attempt to keep it a secret. My position has been, when we provide information, we should provide it completely. If we provide you incomplete information, people sometimes are tempted to leap to the wrong conclusion, not based on any facts, so we thought it would be important to give you the full description–

“It’s okay for the White House and Treasury to leap to a conclusion six weeks before the Congress,” Camp shot back.

Koskinen’s explanation was that he told his parent agency, Treasury, and not the White House directly. He told Camp specifically that “I have no communications with the White House,” and that his regular communications with Treasury included this issue, which then must have been relayed to the White House. Camp expressed disbelief that the IRS Commissioner would have no communications with the White House, but Koskinen insisted that he only reports to Treasury.

This defense raises another question, one that gets more to the heart of whether the White House was involved in the targeting scheme. If Koskinen as IRS Commissioner only reports through Treasury, then what was the IRS’ chief counsel doing in a meeting with President Obama two days before the targeting criteria was changed in April 2012? I raised this issue in my column at The Fiscal Times yesterday:

The closest insinuation between the IRS targeting scandal has been an unusual meeting between the IRS’ chief counsel, William Wilkins, and Obama on April 23, 2012. The chief counsel for the IRS would have no discernible reason for a private meeting with the president; his job would be to brief the IRS commissioner – at the time Douglas Shulman – who met with Obama the very next day.

The day after that, Wilkins sent a revised set of guidelines to Lois Lerner for the tax-exempt unit to use when applying extra scrutiny. To this day, no explanation for this meeting has been made public, even though records show that Wilkins spent hours at the White House with “POTUS” as his host.

Nor was this the first time that Wilkins appears in the targeting narrative. Carter Hull, a retired high-ranking IRS official with 48 years’ experience at the agency, testified that after he approved a Tea Party-related tax-exempt application, it got routed to Wilkins rather than finalized.

After other clashes on approval for these groups, Hull got cut out of the loop in favor of an analyst with less than a year on the job. Hull also described an August 2011 meeting with three of Wilkins’ representatives present in which the extra scrutiny was discussed, a meeting corroborated by the Inspector General report that prompted the exposure of the targeting effort.

Koskinen’s predecessor Douglas Shulman made a number of visits to the White House, too — averaging about one visit every week, mostly during the period when the targeting took place. (The White House later tried to argue that appearances in the visitor log might not be appearances at all, a conundrum which to this day the White House has also not explained.) If Koskinen’s right — and it makes sense organizationally — then we are even more owed an explanation of why the IRS chief counsel met directly with the President two days before modifying the targeting BOLO.


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the gap in the archives

heh, it would be nice if we could always refer to this as the ‘gap in the tapes’.

faraway on June 20, 2014 at 12:45 PM

When I look at that smarmy face of his, I just want to… nope, I won’t say it.

Ward Cleaver on June 20, 2014 at 12:45 PM

Whitehouse informs IRS, six weeks before Congress. sarc off

truthserum on June 20, 2014 at 12:45 PM

John Daily-Koskinen seems to be slipping.

Flange on June 20, 2014 at 12:46 PM

I’m amazed by the overwhelming media outrage about this. It’s only about 100 times less than their reporting of Dan Quayle reading a flash card that spelled potato as “potatoe.”

/crickets

Wino on June 20, 2014 at 12:47 PM

the gap in the archives

heh, it would be nice if we could always refer to this as the ‘gap in the tapes’.

faraway on June 20, 2014 at 12:45 PM

Too bad it wasn’t only a 14-month gap so the linkage to Watergate could be clearer.

Steve Eggleston on June 20, 2014 at 12:48 PM

When I look at that smarmy face of his, I just want to… nope, I won’t say it.

Ward Cleaver on June 20, 2014 at 12:45 PM

Yep me too.

gophergirl on June 20, 2014 at 12:48 PM

It sickens me to think that our service men and women put there lives on the line to fight for these a–holes in Washington. Liars every last dang one of them.

31giddyup on June 20, 2014 at 12:48 PM

There are no MISSING emails! They’re on a server and on backup tapes – offsite. Can we just call in the IRS IT Dept heads and get at ‘em? Sheesh! This isn’t rocket science!

Captain Betty on June 20, 2014 at 12:49 PM

“The IRS knew in February, or maybe even in March, and Treasury and the White House knew at least in April — but Congress and the American people didn’t find out until June.

What a shock. As in, not a shock.

Is there any room left under the carpet in the White House? Are there bodies under there yet?*

*Yes, there are. Four from Libya, at least.

xNavigator on June 20, 2014 at 12:50 PM

Why will I not be surprised if a few months out, we’ll see info from the WH Visitor’s Log showing John Koskinen visiting the WH multiple times.

Oh, wait….as in the case of the IRS Chief Counsel, it’s a visit that wasn’t a visit….

Most open and transparent Administration, ever? That’s going to rank right up there with ‘the check is in the mail’ and ‘if you like your plan / Doctor, you can keep your plan / Doctor’.

Athos on June 20, 2014 at 12:50 PM

They had the option of either giving them the evidence and getting Obama impeached or destroying the evidence and having Republicans mad at them. And the GOP is suprised?

Subpoena their MS Exchange admins and their backup administrators. They hold the answers to how this works.

crrr6 on June 20, 2014 at 12:50 PM

Ed, I realize you have to do this and you are giving sterling accounts but don’t you think all of this is horse hockey? Do you really believe anything will come of this?

Cindy Munford on June 20, 2014 at 12:50 PM

I’m sure it was the White House who advised the IRS that their e-mails were missing. Or else.

tommyboy on June 20, 2014 at 12:50 PM

Where is Deep Throat when you need him.

gophergirl on June 20, 2014 at 12:53 PM

When I look at that smarmy face of his, I just want to… nope, I won’t say it.

Ward Cleaver on June 20, 2014 at 12:45 PM

Yeah.. that expression is a real winner isn’t it. Tells you everything you need to know.

I wonder how many innocent people and businesses that agency has destroyed. How many decent, hard working honest people they drove to suicide or threw in jail over lost records, simple misunderstandings or accounting mistakes.

JellyToast on June 20, 2014 at 12:53 PM

Where is Deep Throat when you need him.

gophergirl on June 20, 2014 at 12:53 PM

Gagged

faraway on June 20, 2014 at 12:54 PM

Order the master of arms to take a squad of white hats into that IRS office and get the email. The email still exists. This smug weasel is a liar.

dogsoldier on June 20, 2014 at 12:55 PM

More like. “Don’t worry….we just helped those emails go ‘missing’ Mr President..”

ProfShadow on June 20, 2014 at 12:55 PM

“Yo! Barack! How’s it hangin’, dude?” “Want me to delete all these meddlesome emails that might affect your chances at re-Urkelection?”

/Yeah, you KNOW this happened.

Choom Choom.

Key West Reader on June 20, 2014 at 12:57 PM

It’s funny, because I now live 1/2 miles from the Nixon Library and I’ve seen the watergate section.

Oil Can on June 20, 2014 at 12:57 PM

The only way career bureaucrats like the ones at the IRS will ever get reigned in is if they start paying a price for abusing their jobs to further their own personal partisan ends.

Lois Lerner and as many IRS bureaucrats as can be tied to this NEED TO GO TO PRISON. FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.

Only if the punishment is SWIFT AND SEVERE will those who remain be deterred from doing their jobs in an unethical way in the future.

Add to this, the IT personnel involved in negligent OR criminal acts causing this data to be “gone” need to be put in prison with them.

ConstantineXI on June 20, 2014 at 12:57 PM

More like. “Don’t worry….we just helped those emails go ‘missing’ Mr President..”

ProfShadow on June 20, 2014 at 12:55 PM

Like the waiting lists at the VA.

Uncanny.

Key West Reader on June 20, 2014 at 12:57 PM

Darth Koskinen – half expecting him to flip on his hood and start zapping Paul Ryan.

ebrawer on June 20, 2014 at 12:58 PM

Ed, I realize you have to do this and you are giving sterling accounts but don’t you think all of this is horse hockey? Do you really believe anything will come of this?

Cindy Munford on June 20, 2014 at 12:50 PM
Something has already come about as a result. Obama’s numbers have tanked and the majority believe he is a complete liar. That is a good start.

Ta111 on June 20, 2014 at 12:59 PM

It is nice to see the old Paul Ryan back. He is always at his best in the question and answer setting.

OU812 on June 20, 2014 at 12:59 PM

ConstantineXI on June 20, 2014 at 12:57 PM

Babydawg, you gonna bust a vein in your forehead trying to argue against Tyranny.

Nothing is going to change in DC. Just keep your head low, your food stocked, your powder dry and your sunny disposition and you’ll be just fine.

Key West Reader on June 20, 2014 at 1:00 PM

Time to subpoena… Geithner, I guess?

malclave on June 20, 2014 at 1:00 PM

We got two of that old smarmy face taking up the above the fold hotair. Not pretty, but consider making hotair temporarily three columns of posts so we can get three of them faces up front, and hit the jackpot!

anotherJoe on June 20, 2014 at 1:01 PM

Ed, I realize you have to do this and you are giving sterling accounts but don’t you think all of this is horse hockey? Do you really believe anything will come of this?

Cindy Munford on June 20, 2014 at 12:50 PM

Cindy…absolutely nothing will come of this. It’s all bluster and theater for the citizens. You said it perfectly in the other thread. The GOP will get all worked up, but do absolutely nothing. We really are on our own now. We have a government that selectively chooses to enforce the laws that it wants.

We are now living in a benevolent dictatorship, soon to be a malevolent dictatorship once the economy fully collapses.

Be prepared…that is the only thing that one can do at this point…it’s over…

PatriotRider on June 20, 2014 at 1:04 PM

Who are they kidding? The Chicago way:
“I wuz golfing with hizzoner da mayor Judge, when my boy…er someone took the poor sap out.

No finger prints are ever found.

Don L on June 20, 2014 at 1:05 PM

Be prepared…that is the only thing that one can do at this point…it’s over…

PatriotRider on June 20, 2014 at 1:04 PM

See you in the field.

Key West Reader on June 20, 2014 at 1:06 PM

Ta111 on June 20, 2014 at 12:59 PM

Excellent, he won’t get elected to a third term.

Cindy Munford on June 20, 2014 at 1:08 PM

White House notified of missing IRS e-mail 6 weeks before Congress?

I think that’s bass ackwards or something.

Akzed on June 20, 2014 at 1:09 PM

Any chance NARA has a copy?

1.15.6.9 (03-27-2014)
Retention and Disposition of Electronic Records

1.The IRS Records Officer is the liaison with NARA and customer organizations for ensuring that electronic records and the related documentation are retained for as long as needed by the IRS. These disposition and retention procedures shall include provisions for:

A.Scheduling all electronic records, as well as related documentation and indexes, by submitting an SF-115, Request for Records Disposition Authority to NARA or, in some instances by applying NARAs General Records Schedules. The information in electronic information systems, including those operated for the IRS by a contractor, will be scheduled as soon as possible, but no later that one year after implementation of the system.

B.Transferring a copy of the electronic records and related documentation and indexes to NARA at the time specified in the records control schedule for permanent records.

lineholder on June 20, 2014 at 1:10 PM

I can hear 0b00ba now: “I spoke to Boehner, and he agrees. Hit delete.”

Akzed on June 20, 2014 at 1:10 PM

What little I’ve seen of these hearings has focused on the stupid hard drive and any hard copies that shoulda/coulda been made. Has anyone stipulated that the hard drive is gone, don’t worry about that, what do we know about the servers/records/counterparties to the emails? This needs to proceed beyond a bunch of hearings/investigations. This needs real teeth. Motivate some people to step forward.

freedomfirst on June 20, 2014 at 1:12 PM

A tangled web they do weave, when at first they do deceive.

Bmore on June 20, 2014 at 1:13 PM

A little but not too OT:

In a phone call this morning with one of my customers concerned about missing emails this morning, I discovered they had not renewed their Domain records. Over the past few hours after renewing the domain, the trickle of emails have started flowing in.

“It’s okay, we’re getting them!” she emailed me.

I smiled and sent her a reply:

“We are both in private business. We do not lose emails. We are not the IRS.”

Turtle317 on June 20, 2014 at 1:14 PM

“Yo! Barack! How’s it hangin’, dude?” “Want me to delete all these meddlesome emails that might affect your chances at re-Urkelection?”

/Yeah, you KNOW this happened.

Choom Choom.

Key West Reader on June 20, 2014 at 12:57 PM

I think it went something like this –

forskinen – “Comrade, the emails and all remnants have been destroyed”.

obaME – “Good comrade, your bonus is in the mail. FORE!”

VegasRick on June 20, 2014 at 1:15 PM

Subpoena their MS Exchange admins and their backup administrators. They hold the answers to how this works.

crrr6 on June 20, 2014 at 12:50 PM

Yes. But that would end the Kabuki Theatre before Act-II. Not a chance.

Tsar of Earth on June 20, 2014 at 1:16 PM

I guess the Dems on the committee are making A**es of themselves as usual…

sandee on June 20, 2014 at 1:16 PM

THIS IS WHAT YOU GET WHEN YOU ELECT AN AGITATOR AS PRESIDENT.
NO MORALS, RULES ARE FOR OTHER PEOPLE, JUST PURE PARTISAN CRAP.

Privatize It on June 20, 2014 at 1:17 PM

Love the smirk on that dude’s face. That’s going to be forever attached to the presidency of Barack Obama- the lying, smirking, loathsome face of one of his IRS intimidators.

Keep smiling d-bag; comeuppance can be brutal.

BKeyser on June 20, 2014 at 1:19 PM

Of course it’s theater, people! And what is wrong with that? In grade school we called it “show and tell.”

Nothing that came out in the hearing today was unknown to the committee. Their entire line of questioning makes that clear. But we didn’t know what they knew.

The whole point of this “theater” is to get this information out to the media in a dramatic way so that they’ll report it (it’s not Congress’s fault when the media doesn’t report it), and expose this fraud to the public– on C-Span, on youtube, on the blogs. The whole point of this was to expose Koskinen as a liar and a stumblebum in a way that everyone can see. And not bury this as another datum in some committee report than no one will read.

Yes, it’s tiresome. The information dribbles out and it seems to take forever (and when you’re being stonewalled, yeah, it does take forever), but it’s getting out there, and you are getting angry. Good. Because this also about the mid-term election and getting people to vote as an expression of disgust with this nonsense.

Something has already come about as a result. Obama’s numbers have tanked and the majority believe he is a complete liar. That is a good start.

Ta111 on June 20, 2014 at 12:59 PM

Exactly. That’s what this is for. The real investigation is not what you’re seeing on tv.

de rigueur on June 20, 2014 at 1:20 PM

Most transparent administration ever…

crosshugger on June 20, 2014 at 1:22 PM

See you in the field.

Key West Reader on June 20, 2014 at 1:06 PM

Is the Conch Republic granting asylum?

HumpBot Salvation on June 20, 2014 at 1:24 PM

Of course, and for those morons who still believe that the excessive WH meetings with the IRS were for purposes of Obamacare, heaven help you.

rjoco1 on June 20, 2014 at 1:25 PM

de rigueur on June 20, 2014 at 1:20 PM

On Special Report the other night, they stated that none, zero MSM evening newscasts had mentioned the “lost” emails and one morning show said something in passing. The media will do exactly opposite for what the Republicans want. Maybe I am just too exercised about this situation. To me it is the worst of the “scandals” related to Obama.

Cindy Munford on June 20, 2014 at 1:25 PM

Be prepared…that is the only thing that one can do at this point…it’s over…

PatriotRider on June 20, 2014 at 1:04 PM

Have to agree.

wifarmboy on June 20, 2014 at 1:26 PM

On Special Report the other night, they stated that none, zero MSM evening newscasts had mentioned the “lost” emails and one morning show said something in passing. The media will do exactly opposite for what the Republicans want. Maybe I am just too exercised about this situation. To me it is the worst of the “scandals” related to Obama.

Cindy Munford on June 20, 2014 at 1:25 PM

That’s okay. When I go full commando, I’ll make sure to spray paint the swastika on the local IRS sign, either before or after I get the National Parks and Recreation signs.

Let’s not forget the BLM, either.

Turtle317 on June 20, 2014 at 1:30 PM

Is the Conch Republic granting asylum?

HumpBot Salvation on June 20, 2014 at 1:24 PM

Last I heard?

Everyone Welcome!

/Wait till the Conch Republic gets overwhelmed by riff raff from Central America.

Don’t piss of the gheys.. They get mean when they are mad.

Key West Reader on June 20, 2014 at 1:35 PM

That smug piece of weasel crapola. The reason there has been such a delay in informing Congress about the ‘hard drive’ problems is that the IRS, other involved agencies and individuals AND the WH had to get there stories coordinated. Most corrupt administration evah!

vnvet on June 20, 2014 at 1:36 PM

Oops…’their’.

vnvet on June 20, 2014 at 1:37 PM

My fantasy:

0boobie (handcuffs being secured): “…and I would’ve gotten away with it if it weren’t for you meddling kids….and that crazy dog of yours.”

freedomfirst on June 20, 2014 at 1:38 PM

After watching lois nose in the air and smarmy face Koskinen I believe we need to change some rules. Federal bureaucrats when it comes to their jobs should be assumed guilty of wrongdoing and must prove their innocents. Failing to do so automatic jail time.

wifarmboy on June 20, 2014 at 1:43 PM

innocence

wifarmboy on June 20, 2014 at 1:45 PM

I am beyond pissed.

These people don’t give a flying Flip about what congress asks. They OBVIOUSLY feel as though they are above the law. And the way this appears to be being played out , they are!

This administration, the federal leviathan is all above the law. And they know it.

Beyond pissed at the media for playing this like it’s just Washington squabbling.

h a p f a t on June 20, 2014 at 1:47 PM

These guys are a bunch of criminals, but in the sentencing phase I’d be willing to take into account the fact that they were under orders to break the law coming from a very ruthless regime.

forest on June 20, 2014 at 1:51 PM

These guys are a bunch of criminals, but in the sentencing phase I’d be willing to take into account the fact that they were under orders to break the law coming from a very ruthless regime.

forest on June 20, 2014 at 1:51 PM

Here is why the “We were just following orders” excuse doesn’t cut it (via Wikipedia):

The Nuremberg principles were a set of guidelines for determining what constitutes a war crime. The document was created by the International Law Commission of the United Nations to codify the legal principles underlying the Nuremberg Trials of Nazi party members following World War II.

The principles

Principle I

Principle I states, “Any person who commits an act which constitutes a crime under international law is responsible therefore and liable to punishment.”

Principle II

Principle II states, “The fact that internal law does not impose a penalty for an act which constitutes a crime under international law does not relieve the person who committed the act from responsibility under international law.”

Principle III

Principle III states, “The fact that a person who committed an act which constitutes a crime under international law acted as Head of State or responsible government official does not relieve him from responsibility under international law.”

Principle IV

Main article: Superior Orders

Principle IV states: “The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him”.

This principle could be paraphrased as follows: “It is not an acceptable excuse to say ‘I was just following my superior’s orders’”.

Previous to the time of the Nuremberg Trials, this excuse was known in common parlance as “Superior Orders”. After the prominent, high profile event of the Nuremberg Trials, that excuse is now referred to by many as “Nuremberg Defense”. In recent times, a third term, “lawful orders” has become common parlance for some people. All three terms are in use today, and they all have slightly different nuances of meaning, depending on the context in which they are used.

Nuremberg Principle IV is legally supported by the jurisprudence found in certain articles in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights which deal indirectly with conscientious objection. It is also supported by the principles found in paragraph 171 of the Handbook on Procedures and Criteria for Determining Refugee Status which was issued by the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR). Those principles deal with the conditions under which conscientious objectors can apply for refugee status in another country if they face persecution in their own country for refusing to participate in an illegal war.

Principle V

Principle V states, “Any person charged with a crime under international law has the right to a fair trial on the facts and law.”

Principle VI

Principle VI states,

“The crimes hereinafter set out are punishable as crimes under international law:
(a) Crimes against peace:(i) Planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances;(ii) Participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of any of the acts mentioned under (i).(b) War crimes:Violations of the laws or customs of war which include, but are not limited to, murder, ill-treatment or deportation to slave labor or for any other purpose of civilian population of or in occupied territory; murder or ill-treatment of prisoners of war or persons on the Seas, killing of hostages, plunder of public or private property, wanton destruction of cities, towns, or villages, or devastation not justified by military necessity.(c) Crimes against humanity:Murder, extermination, enslavement, deportation and other inhumane acts done against any civilian population, or persecutions on political, racial, or religious grounds, when such acts are done or such persecutions are carried on in execution of or in connection with any crime against peace or any war crime.”
Principle VII

Principle VII states, “Complicity in the commission of a crime against peace, a war crime, or a crime against humanity as set forth in Principle VI is a crime under international law.”

The Principles’ power or lack of power

See also: Sources of international law and International legal theory

In the period just prior to the June 26, 1945 signing of the Charter of the United Nations, the governments participating in its drafting were opposed to conferring on the United Nations legislative power to enact binding rules of international law. As a corollary, they also rejected proposals to confer on the General Assembly the power to impose certain general conventions on states by some form of majority vote. There was, however, strong support for conferring on the General Assembly the more limited powers of study and recommendation, which led to the adoption of Article 13 in Chapter IV of the Charter.[1] It obliges the United Nations General Assembly to initiate studies and to make recommendations that encourage the progressive development of international law and its codification. The Nuremberg Principles were developed by UN organs under that limited mandate.[2]

Unlike treaty law, customary international law is not written. To prove that a certain rule is customary one has to show that it is reflected in state practice and that there exists a conviction in the international community that such practice is required as a matter of law. (For example, the Nuremberg Trials were a “practice” of the “international law” of the Nuremberg Principles; and that “practice” was supported by the international community.) In this context, “practice” relates to official state practice and therefore includes formal statements by states. A contrary practice by some states is possible. If this contrary practice is condemned by other states then the rule is confirmed.[3] (See also: Sources of international law)

In 1947, under UN General Assembly Resolution 177 (II), paragraph (a), the International Law Commission was directed to “formulate the principles of international law recognized in the Charter of the Nuremberg Tribunal and in the judgment of the Tribunal.” In the course of the consideration of this subject, the question arose as to whether or not the Commission should ascertain to what extent the principles contained in the Charter and judgment constituted principles of international law. The conclusion was that since the Nuremberg Principles had been affirmed by the General Assembly, the task entrusted to the Commission was not to express any appreciation of these principles as principles of international law but merely to formulate them. The text above was adopted by the Commission at its second session. The Report of the Commission also contains commentaries on the principles (see Yearbook of the Intemational Law Commission, 1950, Vol. II, pp. 374–378).[4]

Turtle317 on June 20, 2014 at 2:03 PM

ConstantineXI on June 20, 2014 at 12:57 PM

L. I. B. This scandal is oil. Let it soak in and saturate everything. L. I. B.

GWB on June 20, 2014 at 2:06 PM

Beyond pissed at the media for playing this like it’s just Washington squabbling.

h a p f a t on June 20, 2014 at 1:47 PM

But it *is* all just Washington squabbling. Do you think anyone in DC will do anything about it? Do you think the voters will clean house in the DC bureaucracy? If the answer is no, then it is just Washington squabbling.

Hence, L. I. B. It will come to a dramatic point, where some measure of folks will be denied their slice og gov’t cheese or some quorum of agitated folks will have had enough. Then, L. I. B.

GWB on June 20, 2014 at 2:12 PM

denied their slice og of gov’t cheese

GWB on June 20, 2014 at 2:12 PM

FIFM

GWB on June 20, 2014 at 2:13 PM

On Special Report the other night, they stated that none, zero MSM evening newscasts had mentioned the “lost” emails and one morning show said something in passing. The media will do exactly opposite for what the Republicans want. Maybe I am just too exercised about this situation. To me it is the worst of the “scandals” related to Obama.

Cindy Munford on June 20, 2014 at 1:25 PM

We agree, the alphabet media are useless. There really isn’t anything Congress or a Committee can do about that. Unfortunately, the GOP is playing it so safe for the mid-terms, that they’re missing a golden opportunity to break into every newscast in the country: arrest and jail Lois Lerner. Every IRS hearing from then on would be front page news and every nightly broadcast’s lead story.

The trade-off, of course, is that she would be pardoned by the president before he leaves office, and I wonder if the House isn’t deliberating holding back on trying to initiate criminal proceedings against these clowns until Obama and Holder at DOJ are safely out of office. THEN bring in the Special Prosecutor.

So for now they have to make do with C-Span, Fox, talk radio and blogs. Which do have some effect.

I’m inclined to agree, also, that this is far and away the worst of the Obama scandals, as a deliberate attack by the government on private citizens for their political beliefs. The VA scandal is the only thing comparable.

de rigueur on June 20, 2014 at 2:25 PM

These guys are a bunch of criminals, but in the sentencing phase I’d be willing to take into account the fact that they were under orders to break the law coming from a very ruthless regime.

forest on June 20, 2014 at 1:51 PM

Nevermind.

forest on June 20, 2014 at 2:28 PM

holding back … until Obama and Holder at DOJ are safely out of office.

de rigueur on June 20, 2014 at 2:25 PM

They do have a way to try and hurry that along…….

GWB on June 20, 2014 at 2:36 PM

Geez, I wonder why they did that?

Maybe to clean out there email files and archives?

gwhh on June 20, 2014 at 3:13 PM

Time for the fair tax screw the IRS, terminate the entire organisation.

tim c on June 20, 2014 at 3:16 PM

Turtle317 on June 20, 2014 at 2:03 PM

Yet somehow the Democratics’ favorite Nazi stooge George Soros escaped prosecution at Nuremberg. How did he manage that feat?

slickwillie2001 on June 20, 2014 at 3:20 PM

There are no MISSING emails! They’re on a server and on backup tapes – offsite. Can we just call in the IRS IT Dept heads and get at ‘em? Sheesh! This isn’t rocket science!

Captain Betty on June 20, 2014 at 12:49 PM

Subpoena their MS Exchange admins and their backup administrators. They hold the answers to how this works.

crrr6 on June 20, 2014 at 12:50 PM

Maybe I’m being naive but where’s the FBI? If they could raid Gibson Guitars and confiscate some paltry rosewood and ebony on suspicion of illegal importation/exportation, surely they can seize the servers, backup tapes, et al. There seems to be ample evidence here of a conspiracy to conceal information vital to a Congressional hearing.

jix on June 20, 2014 at 3:52 PM

THIS IS WHAT YOU GET WHEN YOU ELECT AN AGITATOR AS PRESIDENT.

Privatize It on June 20, 2014 at 1:17 PM

This is what happens when you begin electing government for what it can get you, instead of to do its few, clearly defined, Constitutional duties – and you do it again and again, election after election, with little interruption. Obama is merely the latest and worst consequence. And he is not the worst – that is just down the road…….

GWB on June 20, 2014 at 4:04 PM

IRS Commissioner John Koskinen: My position has been, when we provide information, we should provide it completely.

Yet you sent that same non complete information to your bosses at Treasury and to President Obama? Sound like another lie joining the hundreds already told by Koskinen.

RJL on June 20, 2014 at 4:34 PM

This is why Obama was so confident in proclaiming, “NOT EVEN A SMIDGEN OF CORRUPTION.” He knew the evidence had been destroyed.

Armyspouse on June 20, 2014 at 4:41 PM

On Special Report the other night, they stated that none, zero MSM evening newscasts had mentioned the “lost” emails and one morning show said something in passing. The media will do exactly opposite for what the Republicans want. Maybe I am just too exercised about this situation. To me it is the worst of the “scandals” related to Obama.

Cindy Munford on June 20, 2014 at 1:25 PM

Aye, and there’s the rub, Lass. What to do? Get exercised, wring our hands, hold a protest? Do what? Key West Reader hints at it, but who do you want whipped and tarred first, the IRS, the Democrat leaders who gave them their marching orders, the press who enable this corruption by refusing to report it … or the Republicans who will do nothing despite full knowledge of the depth of this abuse?

And what can be done anyway? Dark talk only makes us sound like a bunch of nuts, but anarchy is the direct result of a lawless, corrupt government. If we simply shrug and let this pass because none of the parties charged with fixing the problem will do their jobs, then it will continue and grow. What’s a law-abiding citizen to do?

Jaibones on June 20, 2014 at 5:08 PM

who do you want whipped and tarred first, the IRS, the Democrat leaders who gave them their marching orders, the press who enable this corruption by refusing to report it … or the Republicans who will do nothing despite full knowledge of the depth of this abuse?

Jaibones on June 20, 2014 at 5:08 PM

Start at the bottom, so they will squeal on their masters. At least that’s one way to go at it.

GWB on June 20, 2014 at 5:16 PM

Jaibones on June 20, 2014 at 5:08 PM

The best answer is to show the entire nation that it is against their best interests to have government institutions go after people based on ideology. And then start cleaning house.

Cindy Munford on June 20, 2014 at 5:23 PM

In my rosiest political fantasy scenario, it’s become impossible for me to decide what a Republican House and Senate and President should do first:

1) Repeal Obamacare, or

2) Abolish the IRS?

de rigueur on June 20, 2014 at 5:56 PM

I love watching these videos of that dead-eyed IRS chief being grilled. It’s nice to see the shoe on the other foot for a change.

HellCat on June 20, 2014 at 6:20 PM

clearly it’s not just “notified” 6 weeks before Congress, it’s coordination, collusion 4 the obstruction of justice, contempt of Congress from Obama directly. clearly impeachable offenses

mathewsjw on June 20, 2014 at 7:06 PM

Where is Deep Throat when you need him.
gophergirl on June 20, 2014 at 12:53 PM

Where the hell is Wikileaks on all of this? You know, the nonpartisan protector of the people? This should be in their wheelhouse, I would think. Show me your mad skilz when it really counts. Or are you only interested in ripping apart our military strength? Shaving points in an election, using the power of the IRS is the greatest crime against our people and the republic that I can imagine. Also hold the Dems in congress accountable, make them own this. Berate them for being accomplices and in many cases major players in this treason against the people. Do the same in every interview to the members of the press. Ask them what happened to investigative journalism. Know the rules of the game and play by them. Play dirty, open the house jail. We have the advantage of using the truth. They have only lies.

Cliff by the Ford on June 20, 2014 at 7:19 PM

Go to Lerner tomorrow and give her immunity.

Zaggs on June 20, 2014 at 9:05 PM

I am astounded at the bounding arrogance of this man, Koskinen. (You know he came to this job from heading up the post-bust Freddie Mac. Did he turn that agency around or just restore the old ways that created the bust? You decide.) He and his whole agency need to be punished for this exercise in lese majeste. Zero out the travel budget, zero out the conference budget (as Glenn Reynolds proposes). But go a step further, prohibit all bonuses, all step increases and all grade promotions for one year. Squeeze the whole agency hard, where it hurts, in their own wallets.

Esaus Message on June 21, 2014 at 9:24 AM

“The White House notified by IRS”???? No. I believe the headline should read… “IRS was notified by shadow president Jarrett that incriminating e-mails are to be disappeared. Ministry of Love style.”

acetylene420 on June 22, 2014 at 8:21 AM