White House: Maybe our border policies are responsible for the present immigration crisis

posted at 1:21 pm on June 20, 2014 by Noah Rothman

A deluge of unaccompanied minors from Central America crossing over America’s southern border and the warehousing of children in makeshift facilities is focusing the nation’s attention on the problems associated with the influx of illegal immigrants into the country. On Friday, the Obama administration appeared to acknowledge that their immigration enforcement policies may have contributed to that influx.

“The Obama administration, stepping up efforts to reduce the influx of Central American migrants crossing the Southwest border illegally and acknowledging that its border policies may have helped spur it, will detain more of those migrants and accelerate their cases in immigration courts so they can be deported more quickly, officials said,” a report in Friday’s New York Times began.

The move comes as the administration is trying to quell rampant rumors throughout Central America that American border authorities are offering entry permits to parents traveling with young children after they are caught.

Cecilia Munoz, the director of the White House domestic policy council, told the Times that a “misperception of how we apply our immigration policies” is partially responsible for the recent inflow of Central American migrants and their children.

Beyond a misunderstanding of American policy, some illegal immigrants are also confused about America’s immigration processes. “Migrants unfamiliar with the American system have been confusing the notice to appear in court, the immigration equivalent of an indictment, with a permit to stay in the United States,” the Times report continued.

The White House has endeavored to make addressing the plight of the children of illegal immigrants the spearhead of an effort to reform the country’s immigration system. A 2012 executive action, which enacted portions of the DREAM Act, allowed for eligible children of illegal immigrants access to deferred action on their immigration status and the ability to apply for work authorization.

On Friday, BuzzFeed reported that Vice President Joe Biden is expected to announce the establishment of new family-detention centers at the border as a stopgap measure to prevent a humanitarian crisis.


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Duh!

climbnjump on June 20, 2014 at 1:24 PM

Blah, blah,blah, lie, lie, blah, blah, blah, lie, lie, lie…..

vnvet on June 20, 2014 at 1:25 PM

Uhhh – your policies are the cause of EVERYTHING going wrong right now.

dentarthurdent on June 20, 2014 at 1:26 PM

A 2012 executive action, which enacted portions of the DREAM Act, allowed for eligible children of illegal immigrants access to deferred action on their immigration status and the ability to apply for work authorization.
POSTED AT 1:21 PM ON JUNE 20, 2014 BY NOAH ROTHMAN

The DREAM Act is amnesty for adult illegal aliens:
http://cis.org/feere/dream-act-is-for-adults

bluegill on June 20, 2014 at 1:27 PM

They must be getting bad polling results.

will77jeff on June 20, 2014 at 1:28 PM

Beyond a misunderstanding of American policy, some illegal immigrants are also confused about America’s immigration processes. “Migrants unfamiliar with the American system have been confusing the notice to appear in court, the immigration equivalent of an indictment, with a permit to stay in the United States,” the Times report continued.

BS. These people aren’t complete idiots. They’ve trekked here from thousands of miles away knowing that once they get it, they’ll blend into “the shadows” and no one will come looking for them. On top of that, they also know the left will use their shadow dancing as a lever to move toward amnesty.

BKeyser on June 20, 2014 at 1:29 PM

Is this a good cop / bad cop type of thing? After Obama’s proclamations and executive orders of amnesty, and his near total lack of enforcement of immigration laws, after all that has caused this flood of illegals is Obama now trying to be the “good cop” that comes to the rescue? What a joke.

anotherJoe on June 20, 2014 at 1:30 PM

The current “immigration crisis” and “human trafficking of children” crisis are obama machinations. Clearly, obama opened the border specifically to create a “crisis”, and overwhelm local and state governments.

The time has come for obama to be impeached, arrested, and tried from treason – there simply is no other choice.

Pork-Chop on June 20, 2014 at 1:30 PM

They were hoping all the images of the children would create a sympathetic response from America. Their propaganda campaign backfired (Thanks to Drudge and Breitbart and a few others not starting with “H”) … Oh, and local news coverage didn’t help 0s plan.

I don’t think this is over though. Just cause they say they are going to end this crisis doesn’t mean they are.

BoxHead1 on June 20, 2014 at 1:34 PM

“Migrants unfamiliar with the American system have been confusing the notice to appear in court,

Migrants, or illegal trespassers?

They’re familiar with the system because you jackholes have made it incredibly easy. They broke the law coming here and they’re supposed to obey a summons that would result in being deported back to their homeland?

You people are stupid, I mean everdiso stupid.

Bishop on June 20, 2014 at 1:36 PM

Organized and coordinated…a crisis that needs an executive order…………….

d1carter on June 20, 2014 at 1:36 PM

If I were the governor of Texas, I would one-way book every Greyhound bus seat in the state and send them to DC…

I really would…

PatriotRider on June 20, 2014 at 1:36 PM

There are a lot of blacks that do not support amnesty. Besides, Obama does not want to look THAT incompetent heading into the midterms. He wants to at least keep the Senate.

skilaki on June 20, 2014 at 1:37 PM

Have you seen pictures of these ‘children’?

Uh, what exactly is the cutoff age? 33?

Tard on June 20, 2014 at 1:37 PM

…will detain more of those migrants and accelerate their cases in immigration courts so they can be deported released so they can sign-up for free stuff more quickly,…

Tsar of Earth on June 20, 2014 at 1:39 PM

Throw up some military pontoon bridges across the Rio Grande and send them back over the border…

PatriotRider on June 20, 2014 at 1:40 PM

Vice President Joe Biden is expected to announce the establishment of new family-detention centers

I feel like I’m taking crazy pills.

WitchDoctor on June 20, 2014 at 1:41 PM

Stop wasting money flying them withing the states, send them home. At least they will be able to say they’ve been on an airplane.

Cindy Munford on June 20, 2014 at 1:41 PM

There are a lot of blacks that do not support amnesty…

skilaki on June 20, 2014 at 1:37 PM

Yes, but I’m afraid this issue is just like the fact that previously a lot of blacks didn’t support gay marriage but now they support it because they just want to agree with everything Obama does. Same with any opposition to amnesty.

anotherJoe on June 20, 2014 at 1:41 PM

Vice President Joe Biden is expected to announce the establishment of new family-detention centers at the border as a stopgap measure to prevent a humanitarian crisis.

Isn’t it a bit too late for this?

Cindy Munford on June 20, 2014 at 1:42 PM

Uhhh – your policies are the cause of EVERYTHING going wrong right now.

dentarthurdent on June 20, 2014 at 1:26 PM

Maybe it’s time they just come clean and admit they never had no stankin’ policies.

So nothing is their fault.

Tsar of Earth on June 20, 2014 at 1:42 PM

Sew.

He’s openly admitting that he has endorsed this invasion.

Key West Reader on June 20, 2014 at 1:46 PM

Obama doesn’t care. He has a goal to “fundamentally (demographically) transform” the US and immigration is how he intends to do it.

Obama was raised on a toxic diet of anti-colonialism and hatred for the West by Frank Marshall Davis, his father’s writings, and Saul Alinsky. He hates the West, hates the US, hates capitalism, and hates whites. He will use massive and rapid demographic change to destroy the objects of his hatred. Expect no action to stop the tide.

And why does each illegal get a day in court? If they’re obviously illegal then they should immediately be put on a southbound bus.

Charlemagne on June 20, 2014 at 1:47 PM

Vice President Joe Biden is expected to announce the establishment of new family-detention centers at the border as a stopgap measure to prevent a humanitarian crisis.

Isn’t it a bit too late for this?

Cindy Munford on June 20, 2014 at 1:42 PM

Cinders, I’d take this as a warning. “family detention centers… to prevent… a humanitarian crisis”

Of their own making.

Key West Reader on June 20, 2014 at 1:47 PM

The DREAM Act is amnesty for adult illegal aliens:
http://cis.org/feere/dream-act-is-for-adults

bluegill on June 20, 2014 at 1:27 PM

And they’re not from Mexico, either.

They are the Moslem Brotherhood – Obama’s only allies.

/Srsly

Key West Reader on June 20, 2014 at 1:50 PM

The MSM and the Political Class has a very hard time with the ability to distinguish and delineate things:

An illegal Immigrant invasion will not be stopped by passing “Comprehensive Immigration Reform”

A terrorist invasion is not a Civil war. (see Syria, Iraq)

Oh…and lost exchange emails (eyeroll) are not a result of a failed local PC hard Drive!!!!!

can_con on June 20, 2014 at 1:50 PM

I wish the GOP had the balls to stand up to Obama.

skilaki on June 20, 2014 at 1:51 PM

Geez ya think?

gophergirl on June 20, 2014 at 1:52 PM

Vice President Joe Biden is expected to announce the establishment of new family-detention centers at the border as a stopgap measure to prevent a humanitarian crisis.

Paid for by the DNC?

HopeHeFails on June 20, 2014 at 1:53 PM

This influx of more cheap labor will serve to cut jobs and wages from illegals already here, not to mention poor white and black citizens. But, nobody seems to see this. This is not good for America.

I still maintain that employers should be fined $10,000 and serve six months for every illegal that they hire. Only then will our unwelcome guests go home.

Special Forces Grunt on June 20, 2014 at 1:53 PM

If they don’t put the brakes on, we’re going to end up with our own version of the Gaza Strip and West Bank in the Southwestern US.

ReaganWasRight on June 20, 2014 at 1:53 PM

“The Obama administration, stepping up efforts to reduce INCREASE the influx of Central American migrants coming to Central America from the Middle East, crossing the Southwest border illegally and acknowledging that its border policies may …. hah!, Hamas will detain more of those migrants and accelerate their cases in integration into American Society so they can be granted immunity and be allowed to act with impunity, officials said,”

Sigh.

Key West Reader on June 20, 2014 at 1:54 PM

Bait and switch

Bmore on June 20, 2014 at 1:54 PM

Is this a good cop / bad cop type of thing? After Obama’s proclamations and executive orders of amnesty, and his near total lack of enforcement of immigration laws, after all that has caused this flood of illegals is Obama now trying to be the “good cop” that comes to the rescue? What a joke.

anotherJoe on June 20, 2014 at 1:30 PM

Barry has to be getting pushback from Democratics in the House and Senate that are worried about November. This is going to kill them.

slickwillie2001 on June 20, 2014 at 1:55 PM

Paid for by the DNC?

HopeHeFails on June 20, 2014 at 1:53 PM

“We The People”

… will pay for our own detention. Orwell.

Key West Reader on June 20, 2014 at 1:57 PM

Tom Benson ‏@TamOBedlam

@NoahCRothman Find me conservatives who are pro-amnesty, pro-separation of church and state, pro-gay-marriage, and pro-choice.

11:34 AM – 19 Jun 2014

Noah Rothman ‏@NoahCRothman
@TamOBedlam I’m all of the above, though no one — outside of Daily Kos threads — are in favor of “amnesty.” Reform w citizenship path, yes

11:44 AM – 19 Jun 2014

Noah, on twitter you passively imply that you’re pro-amnesty, in addition to being pro-abortion and pro-gay marriage. Is that so? Why use weasel words in stating your beliefs? Even in your pro-abortion post, you trivialize the topic of abortion by broaching it through a Hollywood teen movie, and then passively claim

Now, just to get this out of the way: I do support the protections provided by Roe.

Please write plainly in your blog posts. No one can tell in this immigration post that you are for “reform w citizenship path”.

sauldalinsky on June 20, 2014 at 1:59 PM

Step 1: Create a crisis.
Step 2: Offer to fix crisis.
Step 3: Fail to fix crisis while making it worse.
Step 4: Say you cannot do anything without more power.
Step 5: Abuse newly gained powers for everything except the crisis you created.

astonerii on June 20, 2014 at 2:00 PM

Obama is only saying this to give the frauds in House leadership the ability to claim that Obama is now trustworthy on immigration therefore amnesty legislation can be passed.

Wigglesworth on June 20, 2014 at 2:01 PM

You people are stupid, I mean everdiso stupid.

Bishop on June 20, 2014 at 1:36 PM

Agreed.
For those that get a notice to appear, they should either be held in custody or post a bond of significant amount. How does $100K sound? Maybe then, they’d show up for their scam immgration appointment.

freedomfirst on June 20, 2014 at 2:02 PM

Is this a good cop / bad cop type of thing? After Obama’s proclamations and executive orders of amnesty, and his near total lack of enforcement of immigration laws, after all that has caused this flood of illegals is Obama now trying to be the “good cop” that comes to the rescue? What a joke.

anotherJoe on June 20, 2014 at 1:30 PM

Obama is the arsonist pretending to be the firefighter.

Wigglesworth on June 20, 2014 at 2:02 PM

Cut them some slack. We all know that liberals are unable to see unintended consequences. Holding them to that is unfair.

Occams Stubble on June 20, 2014 at 2:03 PM

Hell, they’ve been running Spanish language ads for years promoting illegals to take advantage of the food stamp programs for kids. All part and parcel of having the border and system overrun. Create a crisis to “fix”.

HumpBot Salvation on June 20, 2014 at 2:04 PM

How can you tell if our policies are to blame?

No one is enforcing our policies.

ajacksonian on June 20, 2014 at 2:08 PM

Of course it’s a paper that allows them to stay indefinitely in the U.S. That’s what it does. You cross the border, they catch you, they take you to court, the court gives you a piece of paper in a foreign language AND they release you into the general population. Furthermore, no one comes looking for you. It doesn’t matter what’s on the piece of paper or that someone, somewhere considers it the equivalent of an indictment. Functionally, it’s a piece of paper you get that allows you to stay in the US. What else would you tell your relatives when they ask??

Fred 2 on June 20, 2014 at 2:08 PM

I’m sorry. The only way to describe this schnook is “fv@king weasel.” He is one of those guys about whom they say, “if you want to know what he thinks, talk to the last person to speak to him.”

NavyMustang on June 20, 2014 at 2:08 PM

There are a lot of blacks that do not support amnesty…

skilaki on June 20, 2014 at 1:37 PM

Yes, but I’m afraid this issue is just like the fact that previously a lot of blacks didn’t support gay marriage but now they support it because they just want to agree with everything Obama does. Same with any opposition to amnesty.

anotherJoe on June 20, 2014 at 1:41 PM

They will not criticize him publicly, but I know way too many blacks who voted for Obama and are furious with his support for gay marriage and amnesty. If the GOP had the brains to conduct a national populist campaign and explain how illegals are taking jobs away from blacks (not to mention lowering of wages), you will see the dems hold on the black vote weaken. It may not be much, but it will be enough for the dems to panic.

skilaki on June 20, 2014 at 2:09 PM

Tom Benson ‏@TamOBedlam

@NoahCRothman Find me conservatives who are pro-amnesty, pro-separation of church and state, pro-gay-marriage, and pro-choice.

11:34 AM – 19 Jun 2014

EFF you.

Key West Reader on June 20, 2014 at 2:09 PM

Please write plainly in your blog posts. No one can tell in this immigration post that you are for “reform w citizenship path”.
sauldalinsky on June 20, 2014 at 1:59 PM

Noah Rothman is pro-illegal alien amnesty.

VIDEO: (skip to after 6:00 mark) Noah Rothman tries to argue that amnesty is something a principled conservative would support: http://youtu.be/91x7GBml9ik

bluegill on June 20, 2014 at 2:10 PM

The WH and Navel Obs. have extra bedrooms and space for tents on the property. That’s an obvious place to put Obama’s DREAMers while they wait and wait and wait for Congress to pass immigration reform.

KenInIL on June 20, 2014 at 2:12 PM

Understand that everything Obama and Jeh Johnson (director of DHS) say about these recent illegals being deported is just so much bull$hit.

DHS/ICE have been releasing these illegals into other states without even processing (e.g., photo, fingerprint, record date of pick-up, etc.) them first. Instead, they’re just handing them notices to appear for ICE processing in 15 days. Of course, ICE is well aware that illegals routinely ignore such notices (they call notices to appear for immigration hearings “run letters”), and that they won’t appear for processing.

This matters because in future, these recent illegals are going to be seeking some form of amnesty. Johnson and Obama have both been telling the public that the new illegals won’t qualify for DACA amnesty (Obama’s DREAM Act by EO) because they came to the U.S. after the cut-off date for eligibility. But because these recent illegals were never processed by ICE, there will be way for the government to prove their date of entry, meaning there will be no way to prove they are not eligible for DACA amnesty when they apply — which means they’ll get the amnesty.

It’s all a con, folks, brought to you by the Chicago criminals and their LaRaza partners in crime. Don’t fall for the B.S. from the Obama administration. Contact your congresspersons and senators and demand that Obama’s lawlessness be stopped, and that our borders be secured.

AZCoyote on June 20, 2014 at 2:12 PM

NoahCRothman Find me conservatives who are pro-amnesty, pro-separation of church and state, pro-gay-marriage, and pro-choice.

11:34 AM – 19 Jun 2014

DERP. Uhh, the liberal’s door is that way….

<~~ to the left.

/You are a cheese eating surrender monkey

Key West Reader on June 20, 2014 at 2:12 PM

Contact your congresspersons and senators and demand that Obama’s lawlessness be stopped, and that our borders be secured.

AZCoyote on June 20, 2014 at 2:12 PM

Vote out those who favor amnesty in November.

skilaki on June 20, 2014 at 2:15 PM

Vote out those who favor amnesty in November.

skilaki on June 20, 2014 at 2:15 PM

That too, of course, but congress and the senate need to be hearing NOW from outraged American voters, or they will feel comfortable allowing this crap to continue. We need to make our voices heard in the Capitol, loudly and often.

AZCoyote on June 20, 2014 at 2:17 PM

Noah, on twitter you passively imply that you’re pro-amnesty, in addition to being pro-abortion and pro-gay marriage. Is that so?

Where does HotAir find these people?

will77jeff on June 20, 2014 at 2:23 PM

Tom Benson ‏@TamOBedlam
@NoahCRothman Find me conservatives who are pro-amnesty, pro-separation of church and state, pro-gay-marriage, and pro-choice.
11:34 AM – 19 Jun 2014

Noah Rothman ‏@NoahCRothman
@TamOBedlam I’m all of the above, though no one — outside of Daily Kos threads — are in favor of “amnesty.” Reform w citizenship path, yes
11:44 AM – 19 Jun 2014

Noah Rothman says he’s for legalizing illegal aliens and is ALSO for giving them citizenship, but claims he’s not for amnesty.

I feel like hiring liberal Rothman was a slap in the face to loyal conservative readers of this site, sadly.

His “not amnesty” amnesty support reminds me of how McCain, Rubio, Graham, etc all deny they were ever for illegal alien amnesty.

NM Gov. Martinez also gives away part of the game that pro-amnesty Republicans, like Rand Paul, are playing. They are avoiding the word “amnesty” (in favor of vague, positive sounding terms like “reform”) and are even denying that they are for amnesty.
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/politics/2012/11/16/susana-martinez-mitt-romney-comments/

The governor [Martinez] also said she hopes the party can change their tone, eliminating words like “amnesty” from the debate.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83960_Page2.html

After chatting with Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer a few minutes before, she [Martinez] said that Arizona’s restrictive immigration law is not the type she would implement in her state.
“And it can be tackled without using the word amnesty,” she said. “People can be in this country legally and contributing, and they can come here to do all kinds of jobs, not just jobs Americans don’t want, all kinds of jobs, get educated, the whole nine yards, but be here legally. And there’s a variety of ways of receiving that kind of status.”

bluegill on June 20, 2014 at 2:23 PM

Noah Rothman is pro-illegal alien amnesty.

VIDEO: (skip to after 6:00 mark) Noah Rothman tries to argue that amnesty is something a principled conservative would support: http://youtu.be/91x7GBml9ik

bluegill on June 20, 2014 at 2:10 PM

Good grief.

will77jeff on June 20, 2014 at 2:24 PM

Bammy just found out about this crisis by tuning in to CNN. And he’s Mad As Hell™ about it.

If only someone could curb his wrath against these poor immigrants as he runs amok at the White House, wantonly deporting the huddled masses yearning to breathe free. And their little babies and Chihuahuas too!

LOL. Some days, I just kill myself.

Toocon on June 20, 2014 at 2:25 PM

Remember…Obama’s “pen and phone”? These people are here to stay,bank on it. Unlike an executive order, which the next incoming president cqn overturn with his own counter executive order, Obama has the right to pardon whomever he chooses. Sometimeafter the midterms and his exit in 16 he will blanket pardon all illegals fromthe crime of entering illegally. And BAM, anew defacto Dem majority insuring the Dems keep the WH.

Archimedes on June 20, 2014 at 2:29 PM

Noah Rothman says he’s for legalizing illegal aliens and is ALSO for giving them citizenship, but claims he’s not for amnesty. – bluegill at 2:23 PM

It is time to recap what Thomas Sowell recently wrote on this topic.

Anything outside the current prescribed federal process of legal immigration is amnesty. And it is a reward for illegal behavior that will only encourage even more illegal aliens to enter our country.

Toocon on June 20, 2014 at 2:29 PM

I’d like to thank bluegill (among others) for vetting the contributors at the purportedly “leading conservative blog.” I have enough info now to know that I should ignore Noah’s posts.

will77jeff on June 20, 2014 at 2:30 PM

Looks like Obama has whacked himself with his own hammer. In an effort to force “immigration reform” through Congress as a crisis that “just can’t wait”, he miscalculated a bit.

A few of the reasons for his squeak that his administration’s border policies may possibly have created a chance of a risk of a hint of an appearance of responsibility:

The numbers are too large, the teeming masses are taxing the resources and, more importantly, the goodwill of the host communities despite the efforts of federal gov’t and charitable organizations to move them inland – diseases and all.

Disease. Who thinks it’s a good idea to scatter disease-carrying people into neighborhoods across the country just to thumb their noses at stiff-necked border-truthers?

The immigrants are children, many of which are putting their lives in danger to make the trek. Which means if the MSM ever gets jealous or frustrated enough to investigate the rumors concerning the origins of SA countries’ clear, concise instructions as to how to become an American Taxpayer Dependent and find that the plan was initiated in Washington for political purposes, Obama and the amnestors will be blamed.

I expect to see Obama say all the right things and while doing nothing to remedy these issues while claiming alternately, “It wasn’t my idea”, “My hands are tied”, and “We can’t wait to fix immigration.”

ROCnPhilly on June 20, 2014 at 2:32 PM

Can those Republicans who are in favor of amnesty explain just how adding 15 to 30 million illegals will help our unemployment situation here?

skilaki on June 20, 2014 at 2:34 PM

Have you seen pictures of these ‘children’?Uh, what exactly is the cutoff age? 33?
Tard on June 20, 2014 at 1:37 PM

Actually 26 according to OboobiCare. But based on your observation, perhaps Oboobie is trying to extend that to the 30s to be just like Europe where many “kids” stay home with parents until leaving the nest in their 30s.

AH_C on June 20, 2014 at 2:47 PM

Humor me.

Just so I don’t sound like a fool when I attempt to argue my point of view, or for those who are trying to DECIDE ON a point of view.

Define AMNESTY.

If you are opposed to amnesty are you therefore in favor of immediate deportation of all undocumented people?

(And are you willing to accept that your fellow citizens will not likely support the sight of children sobbing as parents are loaded on buses or even of denying health care and social security to people who have lived here for decades?)

And PLEASE just tell me what is the practical answer.

Nana on June 20, 2014 at 2:51 PM

If you are opposed to amnesty are you therefore in favor of immediate deportation of all undocumented people?

Those who are caught, yes.

(And are you willing to accept that your fellow citizens will not likely support the sight of children sobbing as parents are loaded on buses or even of denying health care and social security to people who have lived here for decades?)

Yeah.

And PLEASE just tell me what is the practical answer.

Nana on June 20, 2014 at 2:51 PM

Allow illegals to sue their employers for ten times their legal wages and benefits, plus a $25,000 fine they can take with them when they go back, including state governments. Also make no legal contract with them enforceable if they are here illegally and this is known to the contractee.

No employer would hire them…end of the illegal job market. No rental agreement would be legal. No car loans, no utilities. The majority would leave with their families. All of it would be self-enforcing by illegals taking advantage of the freebies.

sharrukin on June 20, 2014 at 3:00 PM

Noah Rothman ‏@NoahCRothman
@TamOBedlam I’m all of the above, though no one — outside of Daily Kos threads — are in favor of “amnesty.” Reform w citizenship path, yes
11:44 AM – 19 Jun 2014

In other words, you ARE for amnesty.

And you have to laugh at the Daily Kos part, because during the Bush push for amnesty in 2006-2007, Kos was against amnesty, lol.

Just so I don’t sound like a fool

Nana

Too late, amnesty shill. Now let me grab a tissue because your “It’s for the children” plea has me crying uncontrollably.

Not.

xblade on June 20, 2014 at 3:02 PM

(And are you willing to accept that your fellow citizens will not likely support the sight of children sobbing as parents are loaded on buses or even of denying health care and social security to people who have lived here for decades?)

\

You mean the same fellow citizens who support that very thing every day as Americans are separated from their sobbing children for one reason or another?

xblade on June 20, 2014 at 3:07 PM

Self-superior Noah Rothman puts down HotAir readers as not “tech savvy” enough for Twitter?
https://twitter.com/noahcrothman/status/480012339270664193

bluegill on June 20, 2014 at 3:08 PM

And PLEASE just tell me what is the practical answer.

Nana on June 20, 2014 at 2:51 PM

The economic collapse of the United States.

Just a thought.

skilaki on June 20, 2014 at 3:09 PM

If the GOP had the brains to conduct a national populist campaign and explain how illegals are taking jobs away from blacks (not to mention lowering of wages), you will see the dems hold on the black vote weaken. It may not be much, but it will be enough for the dems to panic.

skilaki on June 20, 2014 at 2:09 PM

This won’t work because the LIV have been trained not to believe anything the GOP says. You can’t expect the truth to change what they’re told.

An example is Special Ed telling his viewer that Barky’s policies in Libya, Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Ukraine, etc etc are all undeniable successes. Anyone who sees what is going on knows differently. But the LIVs BELIEVE.

Closet Optimist on June 20, 2014 at 3:20 PM

bluegill on June 20, 2014 at 3:08 PM

Well, can’t knock you for that. Should be posted at the beginning of every one of his posts.

Barred on June 20, 2014 at 3:32 PM

Self-superior Noah Rothman puts down HotAir readers as not “tech savvy” enough for Twitter?
https://twitter.com/noahcrothman/status/480012339270664193

bluegill on June 20, 2014 at 3:08 PM

He must have had his Twitter account cancelled several times!

JugEarsButtHurt on June 20, 2014 at 3:40 PM

Self-superior Noah Rothman puts down HotAir readers as not “tech savvy” enough for Twitter?
https://twitter.com/noahcrothman/status/480012339270664193

bluegill on June 20, 2014 at 3:08 PM

LOL. Who needs to be “tech savvy” to use Twitter?

This tool sounds like John Kerry talking about how young people need to go to college so they don’t end up stuck in the military.

Is us Hot Air commenters two stoopid to now how to turn on are ifones and text 140 characteers, Noah? Gee, it shore iz tuff 2 lurn thiz new-fangled teknology. Help us Noah, O savvy One!

AZCoyote on June 20, 2014 at 3:40 PM

Noooooooo this administration would never break the law for political advantage and exploit the poor.

ezspirit on June 20, 2014 at 3:53 PM

skilaki on June 20, 2014 at 2:09 PM

The stupid party doesn’t want power, only contributions from the Chamber of Commerce. This fallacy is like when those business majors tried to digitize USPS. THe postmaster general told them point blank their constituents were the junk mailers, not the taxpayers, and their idea of efficiency was a gimmick.

ezspirit on June 20, 2014 at 3:56 PM

JugEarsButtHurt on June 20, 2014 at 3:40 PM

I know the link was from BG, but on this one, she is right.

Downright insulting for the posters on this site.

Barred on June 20, 2014 at 4:02 PM

They must be getting bad polling results.

will77jeff on June 20, 2014 at 1:28 PM

Not just bad, but angry.

formwiz on June 20, 2014 at 4:40 PM

There are a lot of blacks that do not support amnesty.

skilaki on June 20, 2014 at 1:37 PM

Blacks have no sway with national Democrats on issues they disagree on.

Perspicacious on June 20, 2014 at 6:00 PM

On Friday, the Obama administration appeared to acknowledge that their immigration enforcement policies may have contributed to that influx.

MAY HAVE?

What a load of crap. PUT THEM ON AIR FORCE PLANES AND SEND THEM HOME! Court hearings? FOR WHAT?

GarandFan on June 20, 2014 at 6:03 PM

There are a lot of blacks that do not support amnesty.

skilaki on June 20, 2014 at 1:37 PM

Blacks have no sway with national Democrats on issues they disagree on.

Perspicacious on June 20, 2014 at 6:00 PM

Sad but true. On Amnesty the CBC will be told to go to their corner and shutup.

slickwillie2001 on June 20, 2014 at 6:12 PM

Lie, lie, blather, yadda yadda, open border crowd, La KKK-Raza, fundamental transformation, blah blah lie.

Blacks have no sway with national Democrats on issues they disagree on.

Perspicacious on June 20, 2014 at 6:00 PM

Exactly correct, and they have ONLY themselves to blame. A majority disagree with the Democrats on several fundamental issues, including vouchers/school choice, amnesty, and gay marriage. Yet they CONTINUE to vote in the 90+% for Dems. That is the very definition of racism, in my view, for an entire race to vote en banc for a president because of his color, and a party because of…because of what now? Nothing. They get nothing, except the continuation of policies (welfare, abortion) aimed at exterminating their race.

xNavigator on June 20, 2014 at 6:16 PM

Just so I don’t sound like a fool

Nana
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Too late, amnesty shill. Now let me grab a tissue because your “It’s for the children” plea has me crying uncontrollably.

Not.

xblade on June 20, 2014 at 3:02 PM

It must suck to have to live with you. I sincerely hope no one is in a position of financial dependence. How awful to compare oneself daily to another who is not merely ultra perceptive, but clairvoyant and quite possibly omnipotent as well. *sigh*

Unfortunately, you lack the ability to listen, to exchange information, (as opposed to “holding forth) or to ask questions to clarify before pronouncing judgments…in other words, communicate effectively.

Here, have a tissue.

Nana on June 21, 2014 at 2:23 PM

File this one under “No Sh** Sherlock”.

I mean seriously, after Obama wrote his executive order that sounded like a Hotel Chain advertisement “Kids Stay For FREE”… what did they expect?

He didn’t clarify the fine print, and people assumed there wasn’t any and they could drop their kids off and leave them for “free”.

gekkobear on June 21, 2014 at 8:42 PM

Humor me.

Just so I don’t sound like a fool when I attempt to argue my point of view, or for those who are trying to DECIDE ON a point of view.

Define AMNESTY.

If you are opposed to amnesty are you therefore in favor of immediate deportation of all undocumented people?

(And are you willing to accept that your fellow citizens will not likely support the sight of children sobbing as parents are loaded on buses or even of denying health care and social security to people who have lived here for decades?)

And PLEASE just tell me what is the practical answer.

Nana on June 20, 2014 at 2:51 PM

Go back and look at the 1986 Amnesty bill; where we give people who illegally crossed the border citizenship and the right to stay here.

Then look at the promises from the left on that bill.
“This amnesty will give citizenship to only 1.1 to 1.3 million illegal aliens. We will secure the borders henceforth. We will never again bring forward another amnesty bill like this.” – Senator Ted Kennedy

Did we only give citizenship to 1.1-1.3 million? Nope, closer to 3 million.

Did we secure the borders henceforth? Nope, we gave a pass on that.

Will we never bring forth a bill like this again? Nope, we need another one just like that one.

So now you know both what amnesty is, and why the anti-amnesty crowd doesn’t have any trust left to give here. The pro-amnesty groups burned the deal, gave nothing, got amnesty, and never held up any of their side of the bargain.

Would you make a deal with someone who openly cheated you last time? Or would you expect them to honor their previous deal at a minimum before even considering a new deal to be made?

You want faith for a new deal? Secure the borders and put in e-check… make those a law FIRST. Then, once you’ve shown yourself to be minimally honorable at meeting your end of the deal… maybe another deal can be struck for the current problem.

But don’t expect a deal where you don’t have to make good on your side first; the amnesty was given first last time; and nothing else was done… so the anti-amnesty crowd is understandably untrusting that anything would be given this timed, or next time.

When someone has already been screwed on a deal, getting a 2nd deal is between unlikely and impossible. Especially when you don’t want to give up too much up front… that’s exactly how they got screwed last time.

Now maybe you weren’t part of the 1986 deal; but if you’re on the side that was for the 1986 deal you’ll have to live with their screwing the situation entirely before anyone will trust enough to move forward.

Why trust what is essentially the same group that screwed you last time, took what they want, and gave you nothing?

The “practical” answer? If you want a deal, honor your side of the last deal so you don’t look like an untrustworthy crook… then maybe someone will deal with you.

Until then? You’re whistling in the wind promising “this time will be different”. Every con man in the world promises “this time will be different”.

If you can’t show you’re different from the 1986 crowd, there’s no reason to assume you are different… and we already saw how that went.

gekkobear on June 21, 2014 at 8:53 PM

Closing the barnyard gate after the horse has left. Duh.

NoPain on June 22, 2014 at 10:19 AM

Ya’ Think?

georgeofthedesert on June 22, 2014 at 11:40 AM