Videos: Paul Ryan, Kevin Brady expose holes in the IRS’s story

posted at 12:01 pm on June 20, 2014 by Noah Rothman

IRS Commissioner John Koskinen has long asserted that he knew nothing about the corrupted data which resulted in the loss of thousands of former executive Lois Lerner’s emails until the late spring. Republicans have asserted, however, that the information that the received from the IRS suggested to them that the agency was aware of the missing emails as early as February. In testimony before a congressional committee on Friday, it appeared as though Koskinen was coming around to the Republican version of events.

In an explosive exchange on Friday Koskinen was probed by Rep. Kevin Brady (R-TX) over what he seemed to imply was an effort to mislead the committee.

“You already knew in March they were not retrievable,” Brady alleged. “A, you didn’t inform the congressional investigation. B, two months later you told us you would provide all the emails without limitations. And you knew you didn’t have them.”

“By March, I did not know they were irretrievable,” Koskinen countered. Brady interrupted and reminded the commissioner that he had just testified under oath that he was aware of the problems associated with the emails in March.

“Mr. Commissioner, why, at this point, why should anyone believe you?” Brady asked.

“The IRS denied for two years targeting of Americans based on their political beliefs. That wasn’t the truth. They said it was a few rogue agents in Cincinnati. That wasn’t the truth. You said you were targeting liberal organizations. That wasn’t the truth. Then you assured us you would provide us all the emails in May and that wasn’t the truth. And today, you are telling us out of thousands of IRS computers, the one that lost the emails was a person of interest in an ongoing congressional investigation. And that is not the truth either.”

Even the normally subdued Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) was smoldering in his questioning of Koskinen. “This is a pattern of abuse,” he said. “A pattern of behavior that is not giving us any confidence that this agency is being impartial.”

The discrepancy seems to have made journalist’s reporter senses go crazy. “Conflict,” declared CNN’s Lisa Des Desjardins:

Politico, too, got the same version of events from Koskinen:

Republicans also blasted the IRS for not bringing the missing emails to the attention of congressional investigators sooner.

It says the agency first knew of the emails as early as February 2014. Koskinen on Monday said he learned about the Lerner emails in the Spring.

Koskinen’s story is not airtight.


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Paul Ryan was pissed

gophergirl on June 20, 2014 at 12:06 PM

These IRS highups remind me of Nazi’s….

They have the same smug attitude…..

To bad we cannot hang them.

redguy on June 20, 2014 at 12:07 PM

One thing has become clear – John Koskinen has earned at least one and more likely a half dozen perjury indictments over his current and past testimony under oath to Congress.

Athos on June 20, 2014 at 12:08 PM

Now if only the media would mention this…

sandee on June 20, 2014 at 12:09 PM

At this point what difference does it make. All the talk seems to just validate that while everybody is really really miffed, the emails are gone. I call bullshite. The Republicans are perfectly happy with just sounding angry and doing nothing. Guess what, gang, we are on our own.

Cindy Munford on June 20, 2014 at 12:09 PM

Well I’m as progressive as anyone, maybe even severely progressive, and I’m convinced the IRS is lying and have committed numerous crimes.

Flange on June 20, 2014 at 12:09 PM

The IRS, along with every other government agency that’s infested with public union goons, needs to be completely cleared out. Start re-hiring, and replace every one of ‘em.

Meople on June 20, 2014 at 12:10 PM

Note to Noah – spell check does not fix correctly spelled wrong words or incomprehensible sentences. Was this posted from you smart phone?
:)

peski on June 20, 2014 at 12:10 PM

Athos on June 20, 2014 at 12:08 PM

Oh please. They aren’t going to do anything to him or anyone else. Somebody should have a stack of Oscars in the wings to hand to these azzholes as they leave today.

Cindy Munford on June 20, 2014 at 12:11 PM

They said it was a few wrote agents

The discrepancy has made reporting seems to have made journalist’s reporter senses go crazy.

peski on June 20, 2014 at 12:12 PM

Koskinen committed perjury several times. Time to lock him up. Maybe he will be more cooperative after spending a week with a couple cellmates.

dogsoldier on June 20, 2014 at 12:12 PM

Cindy Munford on June 20, 2014 at 12:09 PM

This. ^^

They can do anything they want now.

rightside on June 20, 2014 at 12:12 PM

Note to Noah – spell check does not fix correctly spelled wrong words or incomprehensible sentences. Was this posted from you smart phone?
:)

Was this posted from “you” smart phone?

sandee on June 20, 2014 at 12:12 PM

peski on June 20, 2014 at 12:10 PM

Eh, this is free, breaking news, low margin site. If want polish go to New York times.

Oil Can on June 20, 2014 at 12:12 PM

Its the same attitude throughout the Valerie Jarrett administration.

Sven on June 20, 2014 at 12:13 PM

Cindy Munford on June 20, 2014 at 12:11 PM

You said it Cindy. This is all theater.

dogsoldier on June 20, 2014 at 12:13 PM

This confusing of February for “spring” is a Nothing burger. It was probably a nice warm February day and he assumed it was spring. Yeah, that’s the ticket.

kevinkristy on June 20, 2014 at 12:13 PM

Iran just executed (hung) one of it’s own billionaires for financial fraud…

Time we start doing the same with our scum politicians, banksters, and appointed unaccountable government employees…

…and make it a public event…

PatriotRider on June 20, 2014 at 12:14 PM

What tells me that we as a nation are pretty much doomed is that the left doesn’t seem to care about this. If ever a topic was bipartisan it’s the IRS suppressing speech to fix an election. Good Lord.

WitchDoctor on June 20, 2014 at 12:14 PM

The House should get their own lawyers (Justice isn’t going to lift a finger) and try to put these bastards in jail. If Scooter Libby is doing time, this clown ought to be on death row.

Tater Salad on June 20, 2014 at 12:14 PM

Eh, this is free, breaking news, low margin site. If want polish go to New York times.

Oil Can on June 20, 2014 at 12:12 PM

You’re right of course, I just couldn’t resist since it took me about 5 readings to figure out what that sentence was intended to be.

Didn’t really mean to snark heavy.

peski on June 20, 2014 at 12:14 PM

The Republicans are perfectly happy with just sounding angry and doing nothing. Guess what, gang, we are on our own.

Cindy Munford on June 20, 2014 at 12:09 PM

Nailed it…

PatriotRider on June 20, 2014 at 12:16 PM

To bad we cannot hang them.

redguy on June 20, 2014 at 12:07 PM

Who says so??

Deano1952 on June 20, 2014 at 12:16 PM

A step back for a min., on John Koshinen.

The job interview.

“You know you will have to lie in public under oath do you not?”

“You know you can count on our fund bunderlers,, people like George Soros to take care of you financialy for life do you not?”

“We both under stand uh,” if your ever in Chicago come by and see my wife and I, we can shoot some hoops.”

APACHEWHOKNOWS on June 20, 2014 at 12:16 PM

At this point what difference does it make. All the talk seems to just validate that while everybody is really really miffed, the emails are gone. I call bullshite. The Republicans are perfectly happy with just sounding angry and doing nothing. Guess what, gang, we are on our own.Cindy Munford on June 20, 2014 at 12:09 PM

If their past (in)actions are any indication, I’m afraid you’re right.

Saverio on June 20, 2014 at 12:17 PM

At this point what difference does it make. All the talk seems to just validate that while everybody is really really miffed, the emails are gone. I call bullshite. The Republicans are perfectly happy with just sounding angry and doing nothing. Guess what, gang, we are on our own.

Cindy Munford on June 20, 2014 at 12:09 PM

Exactly. What is our end game here?

faraway on June 20, 2014 at 12:17 PM

What tells me that we as a nation are pretty much doomed is that the left doesn’t seem to care about this. If ever a topic was bipartisan it’s the IRS suppressing speech to fix an election. Good Lord.

WitchDoctor on June 20, 2014 at 12:14 PM

You’re working on the assumption that liberals are not okay with persecuting evil conservatives.

I wouldn’t take that bet.

Closet Optimist on June 20, 2014 at 12:21 PM

faraway on June 20, 2014 at 12:17 PM

LOL! God, I wish I knew. I’m so angry I could spit nails.

Cindy Munford on June 20, 2014 at 12:22 PM

One thing has become clear – John Koskinen has earned at least one and more likely a half dozen perjury indictments over his current and past testimony under oath to Congress.

Athos on June 20, 2014 at 12:08 PM

What he has earned is his salary. He’s covering for the administration nicely. If he has to fall on his sword, then he’ll get a bonus.

Walter L. Newton on June 20, 2014 at 12:23 PM

Too, of some note, think of it this way, who knows how to hide under the table payoff money better than a former IRS commish. who lied under oath?

APACHEWHOKNOWS on June 20, 2014 at 12:23 PM

Actually, Witch Doctor, when rereading your comment I think I made the wrong assumption.

Closet Optimist on June 20, 2014 at 12:24 PM

Has anyone else noticed how many Yobamites look like reptiles? Just saying…

Dirty Creature on June 20, 2014 at 12:25 PM

The discrepancy has made reporting seems to have made journalist’s reporter senses go crazy.

Ed, I’m available (and cheap!) to proofread these things. You have my email.

Akzed on June 20, 2014 at 12:27 PM

they need to subpoena Levin’s, Schumer’s and Sheldon Whitehouse’s emails for starters…oh ya don’t forget E l i j a h ‘s!!

gracie on June 20, 2014 at 12:27 PM

It seems a possibility that Obama used the IRS to steal his 2012 election.

If so, putting Lerner in jail is hardly sufficient.

faraway on June 20, 2014 at 12:28 PM

These IRS highups remind me of Nazi’s….

They have the same smug attitude…..

To bad we cannot hang them.

redguy on June 20, 2014 at 12:07 PM

Yet…

astonerii on June 20, 2014 at 12:28 PM

To bad we cannot hang them. redguy on June 20, 2014 at 12:07 PM

Who says?!

Akzed on June 20, 2014 at 12:29 PM

The IRS, along with every other government agency that’s infested with public union goons, needs to be completely cleared out. Start re-hiring, and replace every one of ‘em. Meople on June 20, 2014 at 12:10 PM

You started out real good there…

Akzed on June 20, 2014 at 12:29 PM

Has anyone else noticed how many Yobamites look like reptiles? Just saying…

Dirty Creature on June 20, 2014 at 12:25 PM

I have a pet cobra that I trust more than an obaMEite.

VegasRick on June 20, 2014 at 12:30 PM

Actually, Witch Doctor, when rereading your comment I think I made the wrong assumption.

Closet Optimist on June 20, 2014 at 12:24 PM

You’re pretty close. I’m working under the assumption that people have a conscience and that the wrongdoing here transcends political boundaries. I’m starting to figure out I’m monumentally naive in that regard.

If this had been a Republican administration I would be just as mad. This is so corrupt I wonder if we can survive it.

WitchDoctor on June 20, 2014 at 12:30 PM

As this two bit staged show goes on:

350 to 500 illegals who just crossed the southern border of Mexico await for one of the 8 to 10 freight trains to leave the city where they spent the night in a “shelter” provided by the Mexican Goverment, they have food, water packed for the 8 to 10 hour ride.

Avg. of 400 with 8 train avg. =”s 3200 say 20 days a month =’s 64,000 per month, and 768,000 per year.

This is what the two party evil money cult does not want you thinking or knowing about.

Your being replaced, your the New Apache, they build a coast to coast reservation for you, your just a tax payer ID number and they need more ID numbers to keep from going total broke on their lying ass….

APACHEWHOKNOWS on June 20, 2014 at 12:31 PM

The discrepancy has made reporting seems to have made journalist’s reporter senses go crazy.

I like turtles.

corona79 on June 20, 2014 at 12:32 PM

I would like to nominate Paul Ryan for Emmy Award.

Bravo, Paul. Your acting is superior.

I would also like to nominate the makeup crew for making John Koskinen look like Gollum/Smeagol.

Mark Boabaca on June 20, 2014 at 12:32 PM

test

APACHEWHOKNOWS on June 20, 2014 at 12:33 PM

Let me get this straight…

The IRS sends hard drives (FULL OF CONFIDENTIAL DATA!!!!11!!!) to a 3rd party ‘recycler’??????????????

faraway on June 20, 2014 at 12:34 PM

I shouldn’t think it requires much heavy lifting, the holes are big enough for the Titanic to pass through. May they sink as well.

Bmore on June 20, 2014 at 12:35 PM

Eh, this is free, breaking news, low margin site. If want polish go to New York times. Oil Can on June 20, 2014 at 12:12 PM

Well taken, but the comments in this thread are better written than the featured article. It isn’t rocket surgery.

Akzed on June 20, 2014 at 12:35 PM

The IRS is a rogue criminal organization. It should be abolished….

d1carter on June 20, 2014 at 12:36 PM

GO TO JAIL
GO DIRECTLY TO JAIL
DO NOT PASS GO
DO NOT COLLECT $200

John the Libertarian on June 20, 2014 at 12:36 PM

It says the agency first knew of the emails as early as February 2014. Koskinen on Monday said he learned about the Lerner emails in the Spring.

The unseasonably warm weather in February (caused by global warming) fooled Koskinen into thinking it was Spring. You remember how warm it was in DC last February, don’t you?

myiq2xu on June 20, 2014 at 12:36 PM

I watched the IRS commissioner’s demeanor during both Republican soliloquies. I say his body language screamed “So what are you going to do about it!” The next few elections will tell us if the ballot box is still the solution. If the evil having power reveals in the Democrat Party isn’t enough to convince the American people to reject them, then keeping the 2nd Amendment sacrosanct is even more critical.

Gebirgsjager on June 20, 2014 at 12:36 PM

I like turtles.

corona79 on June 20, 2014 at 12:32 PM

That’s awesome. I’ve though lt about using that line several times but didn’t think anyone would get it.

Flange on June 20, 2014 at 12:37 PM

The Progs are defending criminal activity…who knew?

d1carter on June 20, 2014 at 12:37 PM

Paul Ryan was pissed.

gophergirl on June 20, 2014 at 12:06 PM

Haha Bet John Boehner, Eric Cantor and Kevin McCarthy were, too. I mean, the establishment wouldn’t wanna target the tea party or nuthin’?

ezspirit on June 20, 2014 at 12:38 PM

Who is going to jail?

JellyToast on June 20, 2014 at 12:38 PM

We really, REALLY need another George Washington and a butt-load of Founding Father types to come forward and lead us out of this mess. I believe that the people DO have the right to disband the government and start over. My source is the Declaration of Independence:

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. -Declaration of Independence 1776

If not now, when? If not us, who?

bimmcorp on June 20, 2014 at 12:38 PM

Take these “fines” on Bank of America and Wells Fargo etal.

These banks get millions and millions a month to “handle” the bad loans via the bail out, then the goverment “fines” them and the banks “kick back” some of the money to the crooks in Congress in the form of these fake fines.

silly ass low life shell game,,,,

APACHEWHOKNOWS on June 20, 2014 at 12:38 PM

Oh please. They aren’t going to do anything to him or anyone else. Somebody should have a stack of Oscars in the wings to hand to these azzholes as they leave today.

Cindy Munford on June 20, 2014 at 12:11 PM

Winner Winner Big Chicken Dinner.

ezspirit on June 20, 2014 at 12:39 PM

Exactly. What is our end game here?
faraway on June 20, 2014 at 12:17 PM

Subpoena the actual physical email servers, the backups, anyone responsible for them and their data.

I’m not even an IT guy and I can think of things to yell out!

Akzed on June 20, 2014 at 12:39 PM

I know this is heinous, but does anyone know if any actual crimes were committed?

faraway on June 20, 2014 at 12:40 PM

Cindy Munford on June 20, 2014 at 12:11 PM

When the House committees basically tossed the enforcement over the wall at the feet of DoJ, it was clear that the GOP House leadership lacked the fortitude to really press this forward.

That’s why they still dance around demanding a special prosecutor or forming a House Select Committee.

Koskinen has clearly committed perjury, and is likely to continue to commit perjury as he continues to testify. He’s there to stall, obfuscate, and provide ammo to the false meme that this is just a partisan witch hunt.

Let’s not forget that every person involved has gotten not only a promise of a golden parachute, but likely a presidential pardon if they keep quiet.

The only hope for a break will come from the civil cases being pursued by Judicial Watch and the victimized conservative organizations. They need to find just 1 modern day Judge Siriccha and this will start to unravel just as Watergate did once the tapes were forced into the open.

Until then, we can only do for the IRS what they do to us – ensure they also have the presumption of guilt until they can completely prove their innocence…and lost documents are not proof of innocence…they’re proof of guilt.

Athos on June 20, 2014 at 12:40 PM

Theft by any means.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on June 20, 2014 at 12:41 PM

Does the GOP really care…?

d1carter on June 20, 2014 at 12:41 PM

GO TO JAIL
GO DIRECTLY TO JAIL
DO NOT PASS GO
DO NOT COLLECT $200

John the Libertarian on June 20, 2014 at 12:36 PM

Shoot, these dirtbags will all get promotions.

ezspirit on June 20, 2014 at 12:41 PM

I know this is heinous, but does anyone know if any actual crimes were committed?

faraway on June 20, 2014 at 12:40 PM

I think that’s why they are having these hearings, and I think that’s why they would really like to take a gander at those e-mails.

bimmcorp on June 20, 2014 at 12:42 PM

I hope all this emotion doesn’t make Boehner cry again….

d1carter on June 20, 2014 at 12:42 PM

When the House committees basically tossed the enforcement over the wall at the feet of DoJ, it was clear that the GOP House leadership lacked the fortitude to really press this forward.

That’s why they still dance around demanding a special prosecutor or forming a House Select Committee.

Athos on June 20, 2014 at 12:40 PM

I thought that Holder had to approve/appoint a Special Prosecutor. This is never going to happen.

faraway on June 20, 2014 at 12:42 PM

I would like to nominate Paul Ryan for Emmy Award.

I would like to cast him as Eddie Munster in the next movie remake.

ezspirit on June 20, 2014 at 12:43 PM

Well I’m as progressive as anyone, maybe even severely progressive, and I’m convinced the IRS is lying and have committed numerous crimes.

Flange on June 20, 2014 at 12:09 PM

I appreciate your intellectual honesty so I’m not fully convinced that you are a progressive as they have none. But do tell us, progressive, what should be done about this? And who will help?

rhombus on June 20, 2014 at 12:43 PM

I hope they don’t have to deem anyone in Contempt of Congress….that would be terrible…..

d1carter on June 20, 2014 at 12:43 PM

faraway,

Old Lois knows of crimes committed and took the 5th to hide the truth.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on June 20, 2014 at 12:43 PM

I know this is heinous, but does anyone know if any actual crimes were committed? faraway on June 20, 2014 at 12:40 PM

Destroying govt records, interfering with a congressional investigation…

Akzed on June 20, 2014 at 12:44 PM

The worst part of all of this Kabuki Theater, is that the evil bastages in the GOPe are setting the nation up for a epic fail. They are laying the ground work for forcing the American people to accept a lie so painfully obvious they John Boehner and Mitch McConnell should go to prison for allowing it to be foisted off on the American people.

There is absolutely no way I can make this any more crystal clear. Lois Lerner’s emails are not gone. They are sitting on the Hard Drives of dozens of Federal Government Servers. Any reasonably competent Email Administrator could find them and collect them all in one place in probably under 4 hours.

The problem is this, John Boehner and Mitch McConnell are involved in this right up to their eyebrows and they need those emails to disappear every bit as badly as the rat eared dog eater does.
The IRS attack on TEA Party and Conservative groups was a coordinated and bipartisan effort.

Those saying that nothing is going to come of this are 100 percent correct, the GOPe is lying and pretending to be outraged, but the truth is that they were as much behind the IRS’s actions as anyone in the Obamanation Administration was. That is why despite the blatantly obvious nature of the lies being told, the GOPe is echoing the IRS claims that Lois Lerner’s emails are gone forever.

oscarwilde on June 20, 2014 at 12:45 PM

Subpoena the actual physical email servers, the backups, anyone responsible for them and their data.

I’m not even an IT guy and I can think of things to yell out!

Akzed on June 20, 2014 at 12:39 PM

They’re not even trying to hide the dishonesty anymore. Meanwhile, thousands of foreigners flood the borders and Obama is only pretending to care because his approval ratings are in the dumps.

ezspirit on June 20, 2014 at 12:45 PM

Holder is to busy attacking the whistle blowers of all the other crimes such as Fast and Furious, Bengazie etal..

APACHEWHOKNOWS on June 20, 2014 at 12:45 PM

2008. Obama Wins
2010. Tea Party dominates mid term election.
2011. IRS Targets Tea Party
2012. Obama Wins again.

“Not even a smidgen of corruption”

Dino V on June 20, 2014 at 12:45 PM

One thing has become clear – John Koskinen has earned at least one and more likely a half dozen perjury indictments over his current and past testimony under oath to Congress.

Athos on June 20, 2014 at 12:08 PM

How many pardons will it take to quash all of them? We’ll know on 1/20/2017 when they’re issued before any indictments can be handed down by the next administration.

Steve Eggleston on June 20, 2014 at 12:45 PM

Athos on June 20, 2014 at 12:40 PM

A special prosecutor may ease my mind but until that happens, the GOP is complicit. I’m 60 years old, I’ll be dead before there is any resolution to any civil case. And I expect to live at least twenty more years.

Cindy Munford on June 20, 2014 at 12:46 PM

You started out real good there…

Akzed on June 20, 2014 at 12:29 PM

Well, I’m saying agencies like the IRS can be abolished altogether. Obviously, don’t replace them. In the essential agencies though, definitely boot them all and start over.

Meople on June 20, 2014 at 12:46 PM

I love his arrogant smirk.

JellyToast on June 20, 2014 at 12:46 PM

The MSM is probably too jealous or frustrated to go big on this story, eh?

Most likely they’ll wait until a conservative flubs a statement and use it to segue into the usual “witchhunt/faux-scandal” meme. Then, come Monday, “What? That old story? Nothing really there, was there? Climate change…”

ROCnPhilly on June 20, 2014 at 12:46 PM

oscarwilde on June 20, 2014 at 12:45 PM

When you look like you have seven Senate seats locked up, then we can talk about ousting the Minority Leader. If you had gotten rid of Lindsay Graham or Lamar Alexander, we could have talked. No one even contributed to primary Boehner, and that was one we could afford to lose. So, come back again when you have a better idea than give the Democrats control at the expense of an imperfect GOP majority.

ezspirit on June 20, 2014 at 12:49 PM

Ms. Munford is right. With apologies to Shakespeare, the anger demonstrated by the Congressmen at the Commissioner’s smug, deceitful, and disrespectful performance is like MacBeth’s lament about life, “…full of sound and fury,” but signifying nothing–except their own profound, political impotence. The Commissioner and every Progressive co-conspirator at IRS knows they are doing what POTUS wants. Ergo, no administrative sanctions will ever be imposed. They know Holder will never bring a single criminal charge. They know that the liberal media will impose a cone of silence on these proceedings, so no public ridicule. The slyest and most cunning of them realize that–while the House has the votes to Impeach either Obama or Holder–the Constitution requires 67 Senate votes, so no conviction of either of these men is mathematically possible. The IRS bullies feel invulnerable. Who can blame them? They see the Committee as full of posturing, bloviating poseurs. And, by and large, that’s all they are. The irony is that as the Committee’s investigation discloses the breathtaking scope of the IRS coup against the Constitution and the rule of law in our Republic, it also spotlights the weakness and lack of courage on the part of the GOP Congressmen. There is one option left. Use the inherent power of the House to arrest Lerner, hold the hearing to determine if she’ll purge the contempt. If she won’t incarcerate her. The House has the right, though it’s languished for decades. The Supremes have reviewed it twice. If the GOP does nothing in the face of this unprecedented challenge to the principle of the separation of powers, the damage to our Republic may be irreversible. Stop whining Congressmen. If you have the courage of your convictions, do something meaningful.

TonyP on June 20, 2014 at 12:50 PM

The IRS attack on TEA Party and Conservative groups was a coordinated and bipartisan effort.

oscarwilde on June 20, 2014 at 12:45 PM

You win the award for the nuttiest conspiracy theory.

faraway on June 20, 2014 at 12:50 PM

Those saying that nothing is going to come of this are 100 percent correct, the GOPe is lying and pretending to be outraged, but the truth is that they were as much behind the IRS’s actions as anyone in the Obamanation Administration was. That is why despite the blatantly obvious nature of the lies being told, the GOPe is echoing the IRS claims that Lois Lerner’s emails are gone forever. oscarwilde on June 20, 2014 at 12:45 PM
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Meanwhile, thousands of foreigners flood the borders and Obama is only pretending to care because his approval ratings are in the dumps. ezspirit on June 20, 2014 at 12:45 PM

Scary oscarwilde, hadn’t even considered that. Maybe the same could be said for the lack of alacrity with which the GOP is defending us from the children’s crusade in the SW, ezspirit.

Akzed on June 20, 2014 at 12:50 PM

Note to Noah – spell check does not fix correctly spelled wrong words or incomprehensible sentences. Was this posted from you smart phone?
:)

Was this posted from “you” smart phone?

sandee on June 20, 2014 at 12:12 PM

Right about spellcheck, but that autocomplete will get you every time. LOL

yesiamapirate on June 20, 2014 at 12:50 PM

oscarwilde on June 20, 2014 at 12:45 PM

I think you’re right on about the GOPe being involved. At least we know Boehner thinks he looks good in orange.

Flange on June 20, 2014 at 12:50 PM

Well, I’m saying agencies like the IRS can be abolished altogether.

Streamline the tax code. We don’t even have to adopt a gimmicky fair tax or take on a VAT. But it means some will have to have their political oxes gored, and nobody wants that.

ezspirit on June 20, 2014 at 12:51 PM

Sorry, meant oxen!

ezspirit on June 20, 2014 at 12:51 PM

That’s a start but I’m not doing a happy dance until someone is looking at jail time. I made that mistake too many times. It could be that they yell at these IRS goons for the next week and then we never hear about it again. We will see if all of this is bluster in the next few weeks.

Same with the crisis on the border. Maybe obama is reversing course after a backlash or maybe he is stalling. He obviously wanted some kind of sympathetic reaction from the country to the plight of these children but that didn’t happen.

BoxHead1 on June 20, 2014 at 12:54 PM

Maybe the same could be said for the lack of alacrity with which the GOP is defending us from the children’s crusade in the SW, ezspirit.

Akzed on June 20, 2014 at 12:50 PM

Children of the Cornfed… You have Rupert Murdoch penning op eds and praising Rand Paul on that one.

ezspirit on June 20, 2014 at 12:54 PM

Note to Noah – spell check does not fix correctly spelled wrong words or incomprehensible sentences. Was this posted from you smart phone?
:)

peski on June 20, 2014 at 12:10 PM

Note to Noah – spell check does not fix correctly spelled wrong words or incomprehensible sentences. Was this posted from you smart phone?
:)

Was this posted from “you” smart phone?

sandee on June 20, 2014 at 12:12 PM

?!?!

Bmore on June 20, 2014 at 12:54 PM

Impotent whiners.

That’s what I see in those videos. Until we see perjury and obstruction charges filed, I’ll consider this just a clown show.

Without criminal charges: what difference, at this point, does it make?

Skipity on June 20, 2014 at 12:55 PM

faraway on June 20, 2014 at 12:50 PM

They are either complicit or stupid. I can’t decide which makes me feel better.

Cindy Munford on June 20, 2014 at 12:55 PM

Oh, I guess I was just repeating what Oscar wrote. I should have read the comments.

BoxHead1 on June 20, 2014 at 12:55 PM

I thought that Holder had to approve/appoint a Special Prosecutor. This is never going to happen.

faraway on June 20, 2014 at 12:42 PM

Congress has the power to do so, but that would require GOP control of the Senate, bypassing any Dem Senate filibuster, and a GOP leadership with a pair.

Unfortunately,it’s very unlikely any of those conditions will be met – and Koskinen already provided the answer to the IRS / Exec Branch accepting one.

Athos on June 20, 2014 at 12:57 PM

faraway on June 20, 2014 at 12:40 PM

Well, there is this…

federal law on record retention in other contexts explicitly require others to retain e-mail data as a record-keeping device.

Barred on June 20, 2014 at 12:57 PM

It seems a possibility that Obama used the IRS to steal his 2012 election.

faraway on June 20, 2014 at 12:28 PM

It was an obvious response to Citizens United. Of course, what the media won’t report is that Obama would only act so brazenly if he knew he wouldn’t get caught. The GOP House is neutered and has been since TARP passed. They’re making money off insider trading and want to see the tea party put down as badly as the Democrats, with whom they have an uneasy alliance for the time being. Power at all costs.

ezspirit on June 20, 2014 at 12:58 PM

2008. Obama Wins
2010. Tea Party dominates mid term election.
2011. IRS Targets Tea Party
2012. Republicans nominate Romney.
2012. Obama Wins again.

“Not even a smidgen of corruption”

Dino V on June 20, 2014 at 12:45 PM

I’ll take Romney nominated as the reason for the loss way before I consider it the fault of the IRS.

Trust me, I hate the IRS. But I do not think the IRS was the group that was out there sniping every competitor to Romney. I think that was HotAir and all the other supposedly right of center media groups.

astonerii on June 20, 2014 at 12:59 PM

Nice correction! ; )

Bmore on June 20, 2014 at 12:59 PM

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