Quotes of the day

posted at 10:41 pm on June 19, 2014 by Allahpundit

The most controversial name in sports won’t appear again in The Seattle Times’ print edition or on the seattletimes.com home pages as long as I am sports editor.

It’s time to ban the use of “Redskins,” the absurd, offensive and outdated name of the NFL team in Washington, D.C…

We’re banning the name for one reason: It’s offensive. Far from honoring Native Americans, the term colors an entire race. Many Native Americans consider it an outdated label placed on their people…

“I find it as offensive as black people find the N-word,” he said. “They say they’re trying to dignify or honor something with it. It doesn’t dignify us. It doesn’t honor us. It doesn’t make us feel good about ourselves.”

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The normally sleepy U.S. Trademark Trial And Appeal Board, an arm of the PTO, made headlines on Wednesday when it canceled six trademarks registered by the team. Only twice on record has the office tried to use its power to strip away a trademark for being offensive to an ethnic group, and both cases involved the Redskins…

“The decision does not legally force the team to change its name, but I think it adds to the pressure,” said Rebecca Tushnet, a professor focusing on intellectual property at Georgetown University’s Law Center. Neither she nor Beebe could think of another case, aside from those involving the Redskins, in which a trademark was canceled for being disparaging

Disparaging trademarks are denied registration pretty regularly, according to Beebe. For example, the office recently denied a push to register the phrase “Stop the Islamization of America,” USA Today reported…

“I’ve never seen a case of this nature that has had to go back in time to cancel a mark that was registered 40 years ago,” Beebe said. “We’re talking about the meaning of the term in the mid-1960s.”

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“This is a cultural tide-is-turning moment,” Christian Turner told USA TODAY Sports. He is the group director of naming, brand development at Siegel+Gale, a global strategic branding firm.

“The hits have been piling up, and at what point does that pile get big enough to tip the scales?” Turner said. “I think most people watching this see that this is directional, right? Like this will happen, that there will be a name change at some point, so why not get ahead of it and own that narrative?”…

“I don’t believe they have four years” this time, Betty McCollum (D-Minn.) said. “There are going to be many people all across this country just outraged that Mr. Snyder still hasn’t gotten the message yet that this is an offensive term, it is hateful speech and it has no room in such an important American pastime as NFL football.”…

“The Redskins are trying to make an argument based on logic, history and (polling) data,” public relations expert Daniel G. Hill said. “There comes a time when arguing over data points doesn’t work anymore, especially on issues of race. It has reached the point where, for me, I think it is going to be very hard for the Redskins not to eventually change their name.”

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As BuzzFeed’s Joseph Bernstein wrote in a lovely piece about watching the Redskins with his stepfather: “Do Washingtonians want a team they can be proud of in every aspect of its constitution? Should not the name of a team that has been at times a force for racial harmony, a team which today boasts a black quarterback who is the pride of the city, bear a name worthy of its accomplishments? Maybe most importantly, can we make the story of the name change not past versus future, not racist versus progressive, but shame versus pride?”…

Turning the Bullets into the Wizards did not change everything, or turn the franchise around immediately. Not everyone liked the new name, and plenty of people have noted the issues that would accompany a Redskins name change, charging that it was a cynical cash-in to get everyone to buy new gear. And, of course, a name does not make a team excellent.

But the shift did clear the way for fans, be they born Washingtonians or transplants to the area looking to embrace a local franchise, to love the Wizards without embarrassment or reservation. It would be wonderful, and overdue, for the Redskins to remake the team’s image a cause for affirmative pride rather than compromised enthusiasm or outright embarrassment.

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This movement is about the dehumanization of Native Americans on every level — not just in sports, but in media and Hollywood, as well. This is about respect and about the mental stability of our children.

Empirical study has proven that Indian mascots harm the mental health of Native American children. They report to have low self-esteem, a limited sense of social worth and do not believe they can accomplish as much as students from other racial and ethnic backgrounds…

I was asked recently why the mascot issue matters more than the epidemic of poverty on reservations. Or why we are bothered more by a word than the high school dropout rate of Native American students, which is the highest in the country.

It’s not that names matter more, it’s that when we talk about death rates, rape and epidemics in Indian country we don’t always get a response. But when we interrupt sports? We always get a response.

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The Washington NFL team’s trademark attorney was on The Sports Junkies on WJFK-Radio this morning when he was asked if he would call a Native American a ‘redskin’ to his or her face. Raskopf paused at first…

John-Paul Flaim, one of the show’s hosts, then asked, “So what you’re saying is, there’s a context when it can be used as a slur, but the context of the Redskins organization is not as a slur, but as a term meaning Native American?”

“That’s right,” Raskopf said. “It may or may not be used disparagingly, just like many other terms can. So we don’t really think there’s much to that claim, and once you cross the tiny little line that needs to be crossed and realize that we, the Washington Redskins, have made something honorable and successful and imbued that into this brand, there’s no way that anyone can say that we use that mark disparagingly. It’s a mark. What trademark law’s all about.”

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What the decision means, in practical terms: the Redskins aren’t required to change their name, but will no longer have the presumption of ownership of it under trademark law. That would seem to deal a blow to the club’s efforts going forward to prevent third parties from utilizing its name and logo to make money without forging agreements with the Redskins to compensate them.

Experts, though, are quick to point out that business ramifications could be minimal. Even without trademark protection, the club can make a strong argument for presumptive ownership through common law based on their longtime use of the name, which dates back to 1933. “They didn’t surrender their common law trademark rights,” says Mark Sommers, a trademark attorney with Finnegan in Washington, D.C. Think of a common law marriage, where long term couples are still subject to alimony and other legalities even if they never legally married. With product names and logos, common law is largely rooted in consumer protection, the idea being that “you don’t want the public to be confused as to the origin of the name,” says Sommers, who believes the Redskins would have a strong common law case…

The underlying reality is that these things are subjective. Polls have consistently shown that Native Americans are divided on the issue of the Redskins and other Indian-related names of sports teams (no, Native Americans don’t all think alike, they are individuals with varying opinions and political leanings, the same as the broader population). Teams like the Redskins, Braves, Chiefs and others have always maintained that their nicknames derive from respect, and why wouldn’t a team want a moniker that people associate with honor and toughness? Some Native Americans agree, and like the names. Others take offense and want the names changed. Disparaging? It depends on who you ask. That the U.S. government is now in charge of deciding what’s offensive is a slippery slope, to say the least. When it comes to “disparaging” people, why stop at race?

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[L]et’s be frank: It is kind of an odd term. We wouldn’t be OK with “the Washington Blackskins” or the “DC Yellowskins,” so isn’t any color just the same? The first name of the Washington Redskins when it was founded was the Washington Braves (there were four American Indians on the team), so couldn’t Mr. Snyder just return to that name?

Maybe. But the PC police, and hard core liberals like Mr. Reid, would crow. They’ll see any name change as a victory, and worse — let’s be just as frank — move on to the next thing they find offensive. You know how thin-skinned and easily offended the members of the Tolerance Party can be.

But in the end, doesn’t America have more to worry about than the name of an NFL football team? And if 83 percent of Americans — and 90 percent of American Indians — don’t find the word offensive, shouldn’t that rule the day?

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We’re agnostic in the Indian symbol debate, though we’ve never understood why the critics think fans and athletes want their team names to represent something other than strength, courage or pride. If names were meant to convey dislike—of, say, Vikings, Yankees or the Irish—then Redskins owner Dan Snyder would have converted to the Washington Harry Reids years ago…

President Obama couldn’t resist chiming in either, as he never can. “If I were the owner of the team and I knew that there was a name of my team, even if it had a storied history, that was offending a sizable group of people, I’d think about changing it,” he declaimed in October.

In this Administration that was a political signal to act, and all the President’s patent officers apparently knew to add the Redskins to the target list—at least judging by the majority’s legal reasoning. The ruling is nearly word-for-word identical to a 1990s trademark decision that was later overturned by a federal appeals court. This panel, with new plaintiffs, dusted off the same logic and procedural abuses of the narrow rules of patent evidence to please Washington’s party in power and the perpetually aggrieved. We trust the Redskins will prevail again on appeal…

So there you have it: The Obama Democrats now think government should dictate team mascots.

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How far does this go, and is this a slippery slope? What if supporters of traditional marriage were to trademark the name “Natural Marriage Team” or similar word choice? Homosexuals have increasingly objected to the term “natural marriage” for heterosexual marriages.

Also whether a term concerns something “immoral” or “brings [someone] into contempt” can change over time. Consider actual national groups like Queers for Economic Justice, or local groups like the Queer Alliance Resource Center, which is an organization at the University of California at Berkeley.

Could they get a trademark? Was “queer” disparaging 20 years ago or alleging immorality, but not today?…

Reasonable people can disagree on where to draw the line on such things, or whether government should draw such lines at all. In a free society that treasures freedom of opinion and speech, there is always a danger that government will draw lines that promote a political agenda under the guise of enforcing civility.

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sleep well ms Scrumpy.. and be safe too…cheers

going2mars on June 20, 2014 at 3:28 AM

Yup, guess it’s time for me to pumpkin out as well… good night everyone.

oscarwilde on June 20, 2014 at 3:28 AM

And there is non-nonpartisan, the resident Hot Gas hair band expert…

PointnClick on June 20, 2014 at 3:29 AM

cheers ow..

going2mars on June 20, 2014 at 3:31 AM

Bah..Romance is for people with mushy feeling and stuff…
oscarwilde on June 20, 2014 at 3:23 AM

*sigh* Poor Oscar

Newtie and the Beauty on June 20, 2014 at 3:32 AM

so rock star…
the last woman leaves the bar…
and poof off to the limo…

going2mars on June 20, 2014 at 3:32 AM

*peaking back in the door*……”….Oh – don’t forget nonpartisan….LATERS!!”……

williamg on June 20, 2014 at 3:01 AM

I’m offended-it’s non-nonpartisan! =)

Sleep well.

non-nonpartisan on June 20, 2014 at 3:33 AM

I listen to a lot of talk radio in the car, stuff like Coast to Coast and Ground Zero in the middle of the nite, and heard a pearl of wisdom tonite that I have always understood, but haven’t heard put this succinctly…

If we are in a “War on Terror™, as GWB and BHO have been telling us for the last 12 years or so, why aren’t our borders closed securely and as watertight as a frog’s ass?

I think that is a really relevant question, myself…

PointnClick on June 20, 2014 at 3:34 AM

the he man woman haters club…. wonderful NatB ….ty

going2mars on June 20, 2014 at 3:34 AM

Boz Scaggs – Lowdown

And on that note, I bid Friends and Lurkers niters and sleep well!

[tosses bar keys to PnC, G2M and Non-Non...don't feed/water/inebriate the animal...] ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on June 20, 2014 at 3:37 AM

the he man woman haters club…. wonderful NatB ….ty
going2mars on June 20, 2014 at 3:34 AM

It’s a classic, G2M ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on June 20, 2014 at 3:38 AM

And there is non-nonpartisan, the resident Hot Gas hair band expert…

PointnClick on June 20, 2014 at 3:29 AM

And maybe other kinds of metal, too. =)

Iron Maiden – Flight Of Icarus

non-nonpartisan on June 20, 2014 at 3:38 AM

If we are in a “War on Terror™, as GWB and BHO have been telling us for the last 12 years or so, why aren’t our borders closed securely and as watertight as a frog’s ass?
I think that is a really relevant question, myself…
PointnClick on June 20, 2014 at 3:34 AM

Indeed, PnC–if nothing else, our borders should’ve been the FIRST things secured!

Newtie and the Beauty on June 20, 2014 at 3:39 AM

I think that is a really relevant question, myself…

PointnClick on June 20, 2014 at 3:34 AM

I got nutten for that…
I fail to understand it myself…
what part of ‘shut that border down’
is hard to understand??..

turn it into a 1500 mile long skeet shooting range…
the feds pay for shells and clay birds…

looong live fire DOD test ranges..

something

going2mars on June 20, 2014 at 3:41 AM

sleep well NatB…thanks..be safe

going2mars on June 20, 2014 at 3:42 AM

I listen to a lot of talk radio in the car, stuff like Coast to Coast and Ground Zero in the middle of the nite, and heard a pearl of wisdom tonite that I have always understood, but haven’t heard put this succinctly…

If we are in a “War on Terror™, as GWB and BHO have been telling us for the last 12 years or so, why aren’t our borders closed securely and as watertight as a frog’s ass?

I think that is a really relevant question, myself…

PointnClick on June 20, 2014 at 3:34 AM

You’ll drive yourself nuts if you think about it too much. =(

non-nonpartisan on June 20, 2014 at 3:43 AM

And on that note, I bid Friends and Lurkers niters and sleep well!

[tosses bar keys to PnC, G2M and Non-Non...don't feed/water/inebriate the animal...] ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on June 20, 2014 at 3:37 AM

We are a good crew about handling that end. =)

Sleep well.

Steely Dan – Any Major Dude Will Tell You

non-nonpartisan on June 20, 2014 at 3:47 AM

you could sell the first ten mile stretch to the Israelis..
win/win
they may be looking for a new homeland soon….
and
we get a new neighbor that knows how to shut down a border..

side benefits…
they know how to live in the desert
the next generation of Jewish children wont have rockets thumping down on them….daily..

the ME can then self implode… let them eat sand…

going2mars on June 20, 2014 at 3:50 AM

I proposed a simple solution 5 or 6 years ago… strafe the border. Pull some old Vietnam-era Hueys out of mothballs, gas them up, and have them fly patrols along the Rio Grande. When you see a gaggle of immigrants, strafe the water 10 or 20 yards in front of them, and turn them back. I bet in a week or two, illegal border crossing attempts will beome quite rare.

Again, let me say again that I am 100% in favor of legal immigration… come one, come all… but SIGN THE FUGGIN GUESTBOOK! There is an Immigration office in Tijuana, the line forms to the left, please take a number, and have a seat… we will get to you on a first-come, first-served basis.

I sometimes think 535 taxi drivers could sort this country out in a month or two… how fuggin’ hard can this be?

PointnClick on June 20, 2014 at 3:51 AM

I sometimes think 535 taxi drivers could sort this country out in a month or two… how fuggin’ hard can this be?

PointnClick on June 20, 2014 at 3:51 AM

that’s the befuddling part..
take in a dozen ideas.. sus it out..
get-er-done… sheesh..

going2mars on June 20, 2014 at 3:58 AM

Ozark Mountain Daredevils – If You Wanna Get to Heaven live

non-nonpartisan on June 20, 2014 at 4:00 AM

Ozark Mountain Daredevils – If You Wanna Get to Heaven live

non-nonpartisan on June 20, 2014 at 4:00 AM

That may well be the Top 3 links you have ever posted… whatever happened to those guys…?

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Lemme guess… the harmonica player was your roommate in 1978…

PointnClick on June 20, 2014 at 4:08 AM

Jo Jo Gunne – Falling Angel

non-nonpartisan on June 20, 2014 at 4:12 AM

NASA Funds 18 Creative Concepts for Bold Asteroid-Capture Plan

asteroid mining is the future….
how would you catch one??
(wanted to share this with ow…
sorry ow I forgot)

http://www.space.com/26306-nasa-asteroid-capture-mission-awards.html

going2mars on June 20, 2014 at 4:14 AM

That may well be the Top 3 links you have ever posted… whatever happened to those guys…?

I am not sure. Wonder if Punky knows. =) He brought this song with him to Angel. I admit to liking the Angel version better.

Bux – White Lightning

Lemme guess… the harmonica player was your roommate in 1978…

PointnClick on June 20, 2014 at 4:08 AM

lol you are funny. =)

non-nonpartisan on June 20, 2014 at 4:19 AM

where do baby stars come from..?

dwarf starbursting galaxies..

http://www.space.com/26290-hubble-telescope-star-formation-dwarf-galaxies.html

going2mars on June 20, 2014 at 4:25 AM

Bux – White Lightning

non-nonpartisan on June 20, 2014 at 4:19 AM

Wow… an obscure link to an obscure song performed by an obscure band with an obscure musician that later went on to be a member of an obscure hair band that only 4 or 5 viewers of Hot Gas have ever heard of…

Can you get a job in this field somehow…?

PointnClick on June 20, 2014 at 4:29 AM

Observations of galaxy GRB 020819B of molecular gas and dust
from the Atacama Large Millimeter/submillimeter Array (ALMA)

err… Cosmic Dust

http://www.space.com/26232-dark-gamma-ray-bursts-dust-video.html

going2mars on June 20, 2014 at 4:32 AM

The Atlanta Crackers were minor league baseball teams based in Atlanta, Georgia, between 1901 and 1965. The Crackers were Atlanta’s home team until the Atlanta Braves moved from Milwaukee in 1966.

But, wait, isn’t “Crackers” offensive? I guess it depends on who’s saying it and to whom.

If Al Sharpton called me a cracker, I might not like it, or I might just return the favor and call him a lying, no good, son of a bitch. But, apparently, the people of Atlanta didn’t mind the term, applied to their baseball team.

But, “Braves?” Wait, now. That word offends Harry Reid and Harry Reid is 1/13th Chippewa. No, that was the Warren woman but the tribe was different. I don’t know why Harry’s pissed but usually Harry doesn’t know either. Senility being what it is and all.

There, have I offended enough people? What’s next, the Somali pirates being offended by the Pirates and the Buckaneers? I tell you what, why don’t we ban sports teams from having names at all, other than descriptive names: the Washington Football Team, The Pittsburgh Baseball Team, The Florida State College Football Team. Snappy, yes?

IndieDogg on June 20, 2014 at 4:36 AM

Tiny Asteroid Shopping…

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2014-193#1

going2mars on June 20, 2014 at 4:40 AM

morning COL
the thin man is on at 6am COL if the storms wake you up..TCM
all about eve is also on if you like betty,,, retro..
cheers HA

PS.. all quiet all night in the ME…

going2mars on June 20, 2014 at 5:03 AM

Good morning G2M and all. We didn’t have storms. I think all that stuff went south. I saw that about the Thin Man. I like it but I’ve seen it recently and I won’t have time to focus on it.

crankyoldlady on June 20, 2014 at 5:18 AM

The local team here is called the Redskins and I’m sure there are hundreds of others in this state. Between that and Wildcats anyway. Not much creativity.

crankyoldlady on June 20, 2014 at 5:38 AM

The most controversial name in sports won’t appear again in The Seattle Times’ print edition or on the seattletimes.com home pages as long as I am sports editor.

It’s time to ban the use of “Redskins,” the absurd, offensive and outdated name of the NFL team in Washington, D.C

The idiots don’t even realize that their paper is named after an Indian chief.
You can’t make this stuff up.

Don L on June 20, 2014 at 6:22 AM

I want to sound off on some racist team names that offend me:

Notre Dame Fighting Irish – which assumes that the Irish get drunk all the time and get in fights.

Duke Blue Devils

Delaware Blue Hens

Blue? Come on, how much more racist can you get?

Chicago Blackhawks
Alabama Crimson Tide. Crimson? Please.
Georgia Tech Yellowjackets. If I was a bee, I’d be pissed.
Tulane Green Wave. Green?
Army Black Knights

TarheelBen on June 20, 2014 at 7:09 AM

Good Morning, Patriots! And, Trolls.

“Those who cannot remember the past are doomed to repeat it” – George Santayana

My take: Will Iraq Be Obama’s “Vietnam”?

kingsjester on June 20, 2014 at 7:26 AM

Cowboys need to change their name too.
Cowboys carried guns and killed native Americans. I am so offended!

faol on June 20, 2014 at 7:29 AM

Bluegill, if you check in. I went back to that thread everyone was linking too and I’m kind of looking for a straight up answer to a question. I wouldn’t even ask because I don’t really care about sock-puppets. But frank said some pretty dramatically over the top things trolling on my family.

Did you comment as frank before he was banned or not. I’m only asking because that nic answered a question that was posed to you and he answered as you. It’s near impossible to draw any other conclusion from the exchange they linked to. Perhaps you can explain it. And if there is an explanation, I’ll apologize for the lot of us.

hawkdriver on June 20, 2014 at 7:50 AM

Cowboys need to change their name too.
Cowboys carried guns and killed native Americans. I am so offended!

faol on June 20, 2014 at 7:29 AM

Vikings too. They invaded America and stole land from Native Americans. The horns in their helmets always looked like devil cult stuff too. I believe both should make up for the years of intolerant imagery and change their team names to more socially responsible names.

Such as … the Washington “We Care About The Environments” and the Minnesota “We Beg You To Reduce Your Carbon Footprints”.

hawkdriver on June 20, 2014 at 7:54 AM

And the Cowboys … they could change their to a more progressive socially acceptable name like … the Dallas “We’re Actually Pretty Sorry About The Whole Mexican War Thing And Please Feel Free To Take Back Laredo and Corpus Christies.”

hawkdriver on June 20, 2014 at 8:10 AM

Thinking about the whole “Raiders” thing a bit too.

How about the progressives in the country just have a big ole contest and rename all of our sports collectives to less intolerant and more socially redeeming names?

That seems fair and legit and quite possibly the only way to make them shut their pie holes.

hawkdriver on June 20, 2014 at 8:16 AM

If we are in a “War on Terror™, as GWB and BHO have been telling us for the last 12 years or so, why aren’t our borders closed securely?

PointnClick on June 20, 2014 at 3:34 AM

One of those questions that “W” needs to answer. When his approval ratings were near 90%, he needed to close the borders to protect America, but he didn’t. I want to know “why?”, too.

I’m afraid it has to do with crony capitalism and his peeps in Texas, but I find it hard to believe he would leave all of America at risk for a few friends to line their pockets further…

But, I do believe that. That’s why “W” will always be a jerk to me.

Fallon on June 20, 2014 at 8:24 AM

kingsjester on June 20, 2014 at 7:26 AM

Yes.

Ever see the movie “Hamburger Hill?”

libturds eagerly start fights but recoil in horror when the actual violence part happens and then they try to change the rules or pull out, go back, pull out, go back and on and on until they decide the fight can’t be won. Then they walk away.

The soldier Zero plans to send should resign rather than go. He will sacrifice them for nothing and he will not care one whit about them.

He’s busy planning his next vacation.

dogsoldier on June 20, 2014 at 8:28 AM

Fallon on June 20, 2014 at 8:24 AM

Bush supported amnesty too. Remember, he and McNumbnuts tried amnesty before and the American people melted the phone lines to stop it.

Big business is behind the current push and they have invested a bundle bribing many of the aristocracy. Big business wants to pay slave wages. Look, did you all hear about the case where Google Intel and others were sued over wage fixing? That’s right. They called it “anti poaching” which is a BS cover for wage fixing.

What they did affected the entire market.

No they want more H1-B workers who work for pennies on the dollar compared to US citizens.

dogsoldier on June 20, 2014 at 8:33 AM

dogsoldier on June 20, 2014 at 8:28 AM

Our Best and Brightest are just political tools to him.

kingsjester on June 20, 2014 at 8:34 AM

Uh Oh, No religion in football.! The Saints are offending me too!

faol on June 20, 2014 at 8:54 AM

They already dictate speech that is hateful and crimes that are hateful, so why not a mascot. It’s all about control and now that they have blown this up into the national media, it’s only going to be a matter of time before the team changes the name. They could call it the Cavemen. None of them around to be offended. Better yet the Crony Capitalists.

Kissmygrits on June 20, 2014 at 9:07 AM

kingsjester on June 20, 2014 at 8:34 AM

Yes, they are and I hope they see it.

dogsoldier on June 20, 2014 at 9:21 AM

“We don’t like your idea so you lose your property.”

That’s the principle, which is way bigger than football.

Akzed on June 20, 2014 at 9:26 AM

dogsoldier on June 20, 2014 at 8:33 AM

How these people put their own welfare over the safety and prosperity of all Americans is mind-blowing.

BTW~ Roskam was on the radio saying he lost the whip position because a majority of the Republican Congress Critters wanted “a Southerner” in the position. Wha? Nothing to do with Roskam’s dismal conservative record? The man is delusional.

Fallon on June 20, 2014 at 10:06 AM

So, the lurker never showed up, on a night when her pic was shared, but her double did?

and…DC is not a filthy rathole. I hope you all get scabies, and itch forever.

bluegill
obama shill

Schadenfreude on June 20, 2014 at 11:49 AM

Schadenfreude on June 20, 2014 at 11:49 AM

one word….. -Sybil-

going2mars on June 20, 2014 at 12:01 PM

btw.. col west is on fox now…

‘four skirts and a shirt’… or… “outnumbered”

going2mars on June 20, 2014 at 12:03 PM

hawkdriver on June 20, 2014 at 7:50 AM

…she’ll need to “confer” before answering…set the sun dial.

JugEarsButtHurt on June 20, 2014 at 12:49 PM

PointnClick on June 20, 2014 at 3:34 AM

2 of my most favved radio late night shows!! GroundZero is just wow and C2C well pretty much the same, I don’t always agree with some of the guests on C2C but still a damn good show.

The bumper music/clips on GZ are da bomb!!

Glad you have had a few quiet nights, but dude, you may have to make some stuff up ;D

Scrumpy on June 20, 2014 at 1:49 PM

going2mars and PnC, such brilliant ideas!

You both should run for office, you guys would get it done!!

I don’t think it’s gonna be too long before TX gets real mad, and shuts it down themselves, lawlessness reigns supreme in the bounds of the feds, so to hell with them, Texans will protect their own.

God Bless Texas!!

Scrumpy on June 20, 2014 at 1:55 PM

Senator Cole and other OK repubs on illegals being housed on our military base Ft Sill OK:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3164535/posts

Scrumpy on June 20, 2014 at 2:00 PM

But, I do believe that. That’s why “W” will always be a jerk to me.

Fallon on June 20, 2014 at 8:24 AM

Right on Fallon!! :)

Scrumpy on June 20, 2014 at 2:02 PM

I don’t think it’s gonna be too long before TX gets real mad, and shuts it down themselves, lawlessness reigns supreme in the bounds of the feds, so to hell with them, Texans will protect their own.

God Bless Texas!!

Scrumpy on June 20, 2014 at 1:55 PM

What will Texas do about the illegals that have made it in? Can’t wait to find out.

crankyoldlady on June 20, 2014 at 2:12 PM

I think the states should pile the illegals on buses and ship them to DC and let them off in front of the White House and the capital and tell them “Go on in. Free stuff in there”.

crankyoldlady on June 20, 2014 at 2:15 PM

I hadn’t spent much time watching the eagles’ nest but today I tuned in just seconds before the last young one took off. It was 2:38 eastern

crankyoldlady on June 20, 2014 at 2:55 PM

going2mars on June 20, 2014 at 4:25 AM

Amazing stuff!! Thanks for posting :)

Scrumpy on June 20, 2014 at 3:11 PM

What will Texas do about the illegals that have made it in? Can’t wait to find out.

crankyoldlady on June 20, 2014 at 2:12 PM

I think TX will do what OK is doing, house clothe feed and make them well and send them back, if Sen. Cole has anything to do with it…

Scrumpy on June 20, 2014 at 3:16 PM

Amazing stuff!! Thanks for posting :)

Scrumpy on June 20, 2014 at 3:11 PM

I am glad you like baby star stories.. :)
I always worry that you all have heard enough
silly space posts…
so I should thank you for your kindness…

going2mars on June 20, 2014 at 4:40 PM

crankyoldlady on June 20, 2014 at 5:18 AM

did you watch the big sleep after the thin man was over??
maybe your a Bogie fan??…
also I love your idea of children dumping in DC…
maybe the mooch can get em to work in her garden..
the WH chef could whip them up a arugula salad..!!
if I were the governor in one of these states…
I could find the funding for a few busses eastbound…..
its a brilliant idea..

going2mars on June 20, 2014 at 4:48 PM

Scrumpy on June 20, 2014 at 3:11 PM

I should also add..
that someday space will be mined…
someday that mining will be hundreds of thousands of jobs..
good paying jobs..
after the return trip…what was mined has to be refined..
and turned into something sellable.. worth trillions..
at this moment we have a slight edge… slight..
currently the ESA with NASA have the Rosetta spacecraft
chasing down comet 67P…

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2014-197

I have said it before…
this would be part of my 2016 platform..
you wont NAFTA out spacecraft design/build/launch/mission control..
those would be all new good paying American jobs..

going2mars on June 20, 2014 at 5:02 PM

I should also add..
that someday space will be mined…
someday that mining will be hundreds of thousands of jobs..
good paying jobs..

But probably not by this country unless we can rid ourselves of the anti-business and manufacturing crowd.

crankyoldlady on June 20, 2014 at 5:09 PM

I bet the right Leader could excite the country
and probably crowd source much of this…
and also corporate sponsors..
and yes federal funds..
starting immediately with a moon base..

the chi-comms are building and testing a moon base now.. on earth..
will they mine space while we just watch??..

another Rosetta update..

http://www.space.com/26316-rosetta-spacecraft-comet-quiet-photo.html

going2mars on June 20, 2014 at 5:11 PM

yesterdays leading candidate for asteroid capture
is todays rubble pie…

http://www.space.com/26308-nasa-spitzer-asteroid-capture-mission.html

going2mars on June 20, 2014 at 5:15 PM

crankyoldlady on June 20, 2014 at 5:09 PM

smiles…. I’m going to tell you what my grandmother used to tell me..

lil g2m she said..
it is easier to gaze upward at the stars
than down at your shoes….

come on COL… chin up…

going2mars on June 20, 2014 at 5:17 PM

currently..America
makes the Worlds Most Porweful Rocket…

http://www.spacex.com/falcon-heavy

you can watch todays spacex launch NOW here.. (5:35 launch time)

http://www.space.com/17933-nasa-television-webcasts-live-space-tv.html

going2mars on June 20, 2014 at 5:30 PM

lil g2m she said..
it is easier to gaze upward at the stars
than down at your shoes….

come on COL… chin up…

going2mars on June 20, 2014 at 5:17 PM

But I like shoes.

crankyoldlady on June 20, 2014 at 5:31 PM

t minus 30 minutes to launch….

going2mars on June 20, 2014 at 5:39 PM

But I like shoes.

crankyoldlady on June 20, 2014 at 5:31 PM

I said that same thing…
and that’s when my Grams took me across her knee…
armed with her slipper….

going2mars on June 20, 2014 at 5:40 PM

never pictured you to be a shoe of the month girl, COL… hmm

so..if I may ask…why are you cranky..??
shoe deliveries not what they once were in your town??
cats eating your shoes??

going2mars on June 20, 2014 at 5:46 PM

they just pushed back launch time to an 1 hour 4 minutes from now..

going2mars on June 20, 2014 at 5:58 PM

lh
your not trying to drum up support for having me ‘put down’..
are ya?

going2mars on June 20, 2014 at 6:09 PM

Nobody wants to have you put down g2m. Anybody that does is a sub human monster.

Judge_Dredd on June 20, 2014 at 6:27 PM

that was out there so long ..
I was starting to be concerned..

how’s yer day J_D.?

going2mars on June 20, 2014 at 6:31 PM

never pictured you to be a shoe of the month girl, COL… hmm

I can’t really wear fancy shoes anymore. Too bad just when they are getting interesting.

crankyoldlady on June 20, 2014 at 6:42 PM

Days are long. Money is short. Thanks Obama.

Judge_Dredd on June 20, 2014 at 6:48 PM

t minus 15 minutes again at he cape..

going2mars on June 20, 2014 at 6:48 PM

wow…launch aborted with 6 minutes to go…

going2mars on June 20, 2014 at 6:56 PM

well that didn’t end as planed..
so im getting back to work.. cheers

here’s a fin test launch/land video Spacex is proud of..

http://www.space.com/26311-spacex-tests-fins-on-reusable-rocket-flight-video.html

going2mars on June 20, 2014 at 7:08 PM

wow…launch aborted with 6 minutes to go…

going2mars on June 20, 2014 at 6:56 PM

Tough luck. What was this for?

crankyoldlady on June 20, 2014 at 7:09 PM

it was a SpaceX launch..
to put 6 orbcomm birds in space..

going2mars on June 20, 2014 at 7:13 PM

if you meant the problem…

what I could gather was the guy who called about
sounded like a fil n drain valve or tank wasn’t holding pressure..
would be my guess..so far..
they will pick a new day/time I am sure..
Spacex has had 4 successful launches this year already..

going2mars on June 20, 2014 at 7:17 PM

sorry ..the guy who called …ABORT…

going2mars on June 20, 2014 at 7:21 PM

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