Lerner e-mails likely gone forever, IRS claims, as hard drive was “thrown away”

posted at 10:41 am on June 19, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

Old and busted: “The dog ate our e-mails.” New hotness: “The dog ate our e-mails, so we put him down.” The IRS announced last night — after a subpoena from House Oversight chair Darrell Issa — that Lois Lerner’s hard drive had been either “thrown away” or recycled, which means at least for the moment that none of her interagency e-mails can be recovered:

“We’ve been informed that the hard drive has been thrown away,” Sen. Orrin Hatch of Utah, the top Republican on the Finance Committee, said in a brief hallway interview.

Two additional sources told POLITICO the same late Wednesday, citing IRS officials.

It may just be standard government procedure, but the revelation is significant because some lawmakers and observers thought there was a way that tech experts could revive Lerner’s emails after they were washed away in a computer crash in the summer of 2011. House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), for example, subpoenaed her damaged hard drive earlier this week, when he asked for “all hard drives, external drives, thumb drives and computers” and “all electronic communication devices the IRS issued to Lois G. Lerner.”

“IT experts have weighed in and said yes — we can get those” emails, said Rep. Charles Boustany (R-La.) earlier Wednesday.

The latest news suggests such professionals may never get the chance to try again — and the IRS has even said its criminal investigators who specialize in rebuilding hard drives to recover hidden information from criminals were unable to restore the data back in 2011. But this is only likely to further enrage Republicans, who are fuming over the matter and suspect Washington officials drove the selective scrutiny.

Eliana Johnson reports the same at NRO:

In the wake of the news that a computer crash destroyed over two years’ worth of Lois Lerner’s emails, House Oversight Committee chairman Darrell Issa on Tuesday subpoenaed her hard drive. Unfortunately, according to a source in the IRS’ IT department, that subpoena is unlikely to turn up much.

As a matter of practice, says the source, the IRS discards damaged hard drives after wiping them of all data. ”If we can run them, we have to wipe them,” he says. If they will not run, the agency destroys them completely by magnetically degaussing them.

In both cases, the damaged hard drives are disposed of. “You’re not supposed to keep them around,” the source says. “You destroy the data.”

What. A. Coincidence! Much of Lerner’s intra-agency e-mail correspondence (that is, within the IRS) has been reconstituted through searches of others’ e-mails. However, Issa and Ways and Means chair Dave Camp specifically wanted the communications between Lerner and others outside the IRS — especially any potential e-mails between Lerner and the Department of Justice and the White House. Those e-mails, if they existed, might tend to shed some light on who ordered Lerner to conduct extra scrutiny of conservative tax-exempt applicants, and how high up the coordination went.

Without backups or the drives, those communications have been lost. Unless Lerner testifies, which she has so far refused to do, or unless the House subpoenas all executive-branch e-mails, they’re likely lost forever.

Ron Fournier has a question for editors:

That’s also the main theme of my column today at The Fiscal Times. Forty years ago, aggressive media investigation into executive-branch abuse of power — including the use of the IRS against political opponents — forced the only resignation of a US President in history. Today, the media seems a lot more interested in whether an obvious abuse of power against an administration’s political opponents has a high Q-rating, or whether we should give the IRS even more resources after this scandal:

Missing tapes? Abuse of power? It’s 1974 all over again, with one exception – there seems to be no Woodward and Bernstein interested in delving into an abuse of power and a cover-up. …

With all of these red flags and roadblocks on transparency, one might think that the media might start getting a little more interested in the scope of this abuse of power. Instead, the only curiosity appears to be whether this all means that the IRS should get even more money in its budget, because tape backups for more than six months apparently breaks the bank in an agency that gets $11.3 billion in the FY2014 budget. …

Perhaps the hue and cry over the lost funding will finally start to interest the media forty years after their tenacity over abuse of executive power forced accountability on a corrupt administration.

Unfortunately, a lot has changed since Watergate – and a lot hasn’t.

The IRS has a high stink rating in terms of corruption and cover-up, and perhaps an even higher stink rating among the media for their disinterest in the ridiculous excuses coming from this administration in their attempt to stonewall Congress.


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Clever. Why is it that they can get away with this?

sandee on June 19, 2014 at 10:44 AM

Hey, its just a good thing they weren’t tapes.

Bmore on June 19, 2014 at 10:45 AM

Dems and the media are conspiring with establishment GOP to bury conservatives with amnesty.

With amnesty and a media push for Hillary or whoever the Dems run in 2016, Dems are gambling that by 2020 the country will be so thoroughly compromised, another party will never match them. One party rule from them on.

BuckeyeSam on June 19, 2014 at 10:45 AM

You Lie.

BigWyo on June 19, 2014 at 10:45 AM

The IRS is a rogue criminal organization…abolish it.

d1carter on June 19, 2014 at 10:46 AM

Preposterous excuse and implausible tale being told.

We’re now supposed to believe that IRS emails are all stored, or were, on one harddrive?

The IRS has just established an excuse for millions of people they’ll be harassing about documentation — oops, “harddrive was destroyed, now everything’s gone”. If we accept this tale, then the IRS should be prepared to accept it by those they’ll be pressing for documents.

Lourdes on June 19, 2014 at 10:46 AM

And the State Run Media yawns…..

d1carter on June 19, 2014 at 10:46 AM

And the funny thing is, every person she swapped emails with had their hard drives thrown away too. And the IT guy in charge of backing up the server was sick that day. And when we sent the backups to the one guy who could recover the data, we were shocked to learn that he had accidentally brutally stabbed himself in the stomach while brushing his teeth.

CurtZHP on June 19, 2014 at 10:46 AM

P.S.

“The dog ate our e-mails, so we put him down.”

Very funny! ; )

Bmore on June 19, 2014 at 10:46 AM

Heinlein’s Razor:

“Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity, but don’t rule out malice.”

Seem to fit here.

NavyMustang on June 19, 2014 at 10:46 AM

Special. Prosecutor

If enough folks with cajones actually stand up to holder ……

Absolutely shameful

cmsinaz on June 19, 2014 at 10:47 AM

Daily Caller has found another one:

An IRS official whose emails were “lost” visited the White House frequently during the agency’s targeting of conservatives and met with a top assistant to President Obama who exchanged confidential information on conservative groups with the IRS.

The IRS recently claimed that it lost emails from Nikole Flax, who served as chief of staff to former IRS commissioner Steven Miller. Flax was one of seven IRS employees including ex-official Lois Lerner whose emails to and from White House officials and other Obama administration agencies were purportedly deleted and could not be handed over to congressional investigators.

Flax held personal meetings with a top assistant to President Obama and also colluded with Lerner to prosecute conservative activists.

Flax made 31 visits to the White House between July 12, 2010 and May 8, 2013, according to White House visitor logs. Flax’s visits started in the early days of the IRS targeting program and ended just two days before the IRS scandal broke on May 10, 2013.

Link

Del Dolemonte on June 19, 2014 at 10:47 AM

I’m shocked, shocked, to hear that this has occurred!

Can I tell the IRS that my income data for the past few years has been ‘recycled’ too, right? And they’ll just be ok with taking my word that I don’t owe any taxes, right?

Mr. Bingley on June 19, 2014 at 10:47 AM

newsroom leaders: Why isn’t the potential abuse of power at the #IRS a story worth flooding the zone?

Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I suspect it’s because they know nothing good can come of this for Obama and the Dems. If it ever came out that anyone in the White House was coordinating with Lerner, Obama’s Presidency is over. And I don’t mean in the Chuck Todd sense. I mean for real.

Doughboy on June 19, 2014 at 10:47 AM

It’s a federal law that the IRS HAS TO print out — make a hardcopy of — all correspondence.

Notice the utter avoidance of anyone associated with this charade by the IRS even mentioning that

Lourdes on June 19, 2014 at 10:48 AM

If a gop administration did this part65487

cmsinaz on June 19, 2014 at 10:48 AM

Ron Fournier
newsroom leaders: Why isn’t the potential abuse of power at the #IRS a story worth flooding the zone?

Because the guy they’re the presstitute organ of didn’t say, “J*zz.”

Steve Eggleston on June 19, 2014 at 10:49 AM

unless the House subpoenas all executive-branch e-mails, they’re likely lost forever.

Discovery allows for this to happen. I would request every email from the exec branch, even if it only has to do with what the chef is making for lunch

ConservativePartyNow on June 19, 2014 at 10:49 AM

Pick up some ISIS guys, set them loose in IRS headquarters and chain the doors.

crrr6 on June 19, 2014 at 10:49 AM

The IRS federal government is a rogue criminal organization…abolish it.

d1carter on June 19, 2014 at 10:46 AM

FIFY

hawkeye54 on June 19, 2014 at 10:49 AM

Obama sure does enjoy destroying documents…

…has a lot to hide, obviously. Or by implication.

What OTHER conclusion should be made of Obama’s ongoing penchant for rendering documents “suddenly missing” or otherwise “just gone.”

Lourdes on June 19, 2014 at 10:50 AM

The emails are on a server. Oh.. the server has been recycled? Well, isn’t that funny because I can still access my email from anywhere in the world and have been able to for over 15 years. I’m pretty sure Yahoo hasn’t used the same server for all this time. This doesn’t pass the smell test either.

jewells45 on June 19, 2014 at 10:50 AM

Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I suspect it’s because they know nothing good can come of this for Obama and the Dems. If it ever came out that anyone in the White House was coordinating with Lerner, Obama’s Presidency is over. And I don’t mean in the Chuck Todd sense. I mean for real.

Doughboy on June 19, 2014 at 10:47 AM

Oh really? I bet you couldn’t get 40 Senators to convict, much less the 67 required.

Steve Eggleston on June 19, 2014 at 10:50 AM

So the GOP has a bunch of Flappy Ear’s agents at the IRS arrested. So what? Flappy Ears will just pardon them. I’d like the see Issa and a bunch of other GOPers SAY THAT OUT LOUD, and then say, “So we’ll be arresting them the day after Flappy Ear’s last day.” Put a little fear in ‘em.

Rational Thought on June 19, 2014 at 10:50 AM

“Much of Lerner’s intra-agency e-mail correspondence (that is, within the IRS) has been reconstituted through searches of others’ e-mails.”

SO:

THERE IS A SIMPLE WAY TO GET THE IRS EMAIL SENT TO OTHER FEDERAL AGENCIES: SUBPOENA THE OTHER AGENCIES FOR ANY/ALL EMAILS FROM IRS!
EMAILS LOIS LERNER AND OTHERS AT THE IRS SENT ARE NOT LOST.

THEY ALL EXIST:

AT THE COMPUTERS OF THOSE WHO RECEIVED THEM.

SO…

SUBPOENA THEM.

SUBPOENA THE WHITE HOUSE, THE FEC, AND THE DOJ.

AND EVERY OTHER FEDETRAL AGENCY THE NSA METADATA SAYS THE IRS EMAILED

reliapundit on June 19, 2014 at 10:50 AM

Dear Leader knew there wasn’t a smidgen of evidence left……

d1carter on June 19, 2014 at 10:51 AM

Lois Lerner’s hard drive had been either “thrown away” or recycled, which means at least for the moment that none of her interagency e-mails can be recovered

Who did she send emails to? How hard is this to track down?

Mark Boabaca on June 19, 2014 at 10:51 AM

Not a smidgen…..

cmsinaz on June 19, 2014 at 10:51 AM

All this time extended to Lois Lerner, from her stark violation of testimony requirements/conditions to present, suddenly makes more sense. It was to provide those involved with her to “recycle a harddrive.”

Lourdes on June 19, 2014 at 10:52 AM

You would think the media would ward us of these burns, stains and other misdeeds by the government. But, alas, they are in too deep to throat any opposition to this regime.

Flange on June 19, 2014 at 10:52 AM

Those emails are not lost! They are on a backup server; off-site; other sources. Quit talking about a hard drive, its a ruse by the WH to confused computer illiterate people and the lazy Media

journeymike on June 19, 2014 at 10:52 AM

This is why Lerner felt so comfortable spouting the 5th at those hearings. Literally, nothing to see here.

Kissmygrits on June 19, 2014 at 10:53 AM

Lois Lerner’s hard drive had been either “thrown away” or recycled

I haven’t really been following this. Are thy seriously trying to suggest her emails were stored on the computer she used and not the email server which should have been routinely backed up and the backups retained by law?

Rocks on June 19, 2014 at 10:53 AM

The media is on the same team as Obama and is simply an extension of the administration and the Dem. party and is going to ignore damaging stories and protect him.
.
The ideologically-based corruption of the media is a national tragedy and crisis and is the key factor in the destruction of our freedoms and Republic.

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on June 19, 2014 at 10:53 AM

It’s a federal law that the IRS HAS TO print out — make a hardcopy of — all correspondence.

Notice the utter avoidance of anyone associated with this charade by the IRS even mentioning that…

Lourdes on June 19, 2014 at 10:48 AM

Not sure that’s true. Link/citation?

Bat Chain Puller on June 19, 2014 at 10:54 AM

Who did she send emails to? How hard is this to track down?

Mark Boabaca on June 19, 2014 at 10:51 AM

It’s NOT hard to track sent emails down and that’s the obvious point to any and all who are familiar with what email is and how it’s transmitted/received.

Just because Lerner’s one harddrive was allegedly destroyed does not mean that all emails are now lost. But that’s what the country is being told to believe.

Lourdes on June 19, 2014 at 10:54 AM

Oh really? I bet you couldn’t get 40 Senators to convict, much less the 67 required.

Steve Eggleston on June 19, 2014 at 10:50 AM

It would never come to that. Obama would resign. There’s no way the Democrat/media complex will allow a President that plagued by scandal(not to mention criminal acts) to drag down the entire party in 2014 and 2016. The pressure brought to bear on the guy would force him out.

Doughboy on June 19, 2014 at 10:54 AM

Lourdes on June 19, 2014 at 10:48 AM

Not sure that’s true. Link/citation?

Bat Chain Puller on June 19, 2014 at 10:54 AM

Federal regulation or requirement, otherwise referred to by me as “law”. IRS is required to maintain hardcopies of all correspondence and documentation.

Lourdes on June 19, 2014 at 10:55 AM

Notice the trolls are missing on this thread…

sandee on June 19, 2014 at 10:55 AM

What am I missing? E-mail messages are not only stored on the hard drive of a users computer but on the main government servers. I can take this computer and throw it in the ocean and access my e-mail through any other computer with an internet connection.

I’ll say it again: Congress needs to subpoena the IT people who are responsible for the IRS servers and can be technical on what is happening. I doubt IT will want to lie and take the blame for not doing their job of maintaining records at the electronic level.

tej on June 19, 2014 at 10:56 AM

The Feds are relying on tech-ignorant Whigs to buy this nonsense (or they’ve been bought).

Those emails are not lost! They are on a backup server; off-site; other sources. Quit talking about a hard drive, its a ruse by the WH to confused computer illiterate people and the lazy Media

journeymike on June 19, 2014 at 10:52 AM

Optical disk, for example.

formwiz on June 19, 2014 at 10:57 AM

It would never come to that. Obama would resign. There’s no way the Democrat/media complex will allow a President that plagued by scandal(not to mention criminal acts) to drag down the entire party in 2014 and 2016. The pressure brought to bear on the guy would force him out.

Doughboy on June 19, 2014 at 10:54 AM

If S(l)ick Willie survived impeachment, so will Teh SCOAMT.

The reason Nixon didn’t is his party turned on him. I don’t see the Rats doing that now, especially since they didn’t with Clinton.

Steve Eggleston on June 19, 2014 at 10:58 AM

and the IRS has even said its criminal investigators who specialize in rebuilding hard drives to recover hidden information from criminals were unable to restore the data back in 2011.

“criminal investigators” … yeah, those investigators certainly are criminals. They ought to be thrown in the slammer with Lerner and everyone else at the IRS who touched anything to do with this case.

Couldn’t recover data from an allegedly crashed (as if) hard drive … okey doke, there.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 19, 2014 at 10:58 AM

We don’t have a functioning independent news media,just a politburo.

celtic warrior on June 19, 2014 at 10:58 AM

What am I missing? E-mail messages are not only stored on the hard drive of a users computer but on the main government servers. I can take this computer and throw it in the ocean and access my e-mail through any other computer with an internet connection.

I’ll say it again: Congress needs to subpoena the IT people who are responsible for the IRS servers and can be technical on what is happening. I doubt IT will want to lie and take the blame for not doing their job of maintaining records at the electronic level.

tej on June 19, 2014 at 10:56 AM

You’re not missing anything and that’s why this tale being told by Lerner/IRS/Treasury/Obama’s people is utterly absurd.

UNLESS all servers everywhere used for the past seven, eight years by every correspondent in federal govt. has been “recycled” or “lost/destroyed,” then of course copies of correspondence are available in other locations than on any allegedly destroyed harddrive used by Lerner.

Lourdes on June 19, 2014 at 10:59 AM

So the only “loose end” to take care of is Lois Lerner…

JoeHanson on June 19, 2014 at 11:00 AM

I don’t see the Rats doing that now, especially since they didn’t with Clinton.

Steve Eggleston on June 19, 2014 at 10:58 AM

Clinton’s problems were his own and could be portrayed as personal conduct. This scandal may very well implicate many other people.

Flange on June 19, 2014 at 11:00 AM

CBS News ‏@CBSNews 4m
JUST IN: President Obama will make a statement on Iraq at 12:30 p.m. ET at the White House
Expand

After meeting with his natsec team

kcewa on June 19, 2014 at 11:00 AM

Read this:

IRS Rules Say Lerner Was Required to Keep Printed Copies of Those Supposedly ‘Lost’ Emails

Lourdes on June 19, 2014 at 10:57 AM

“They burned up in a fire …” — Lyin’ Lois Lerner, future inmate

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 19, 2014 at 11:01 AM

Those emails are not lost! They are on a backup server; off-site; other sources. Quit talking about a hard drive, its a ruse by the WH to confused computer illiterate people and the lazy Media

journeymike on June 19, 2014 at 10:52 AM

THIS! Can we get some people with some IT knowledge calling Issa’s office and making this point crystal clear?

Throat Wobbler Mangrove on June 19, 2014 at 11:01 AM

If S(l)ick Willie survived impeachment, so will Teh SCOAMT.

The reason Nixon didn’t is his party turned on him. I don’t see the Rats doing that now, especially since they didn’t with Clinton.

Steve Eggleston on June 19, 2014 at 10:58 AM

That’s because obstruction of justice and perjury over a BJ doesn’t matter to most Americans. Using the IRS to target your political enemies and then covering it up(on top of all the other scandals and his overall sh-tty performance in office) would threaten the future of the Democrat party. It’s their agenda that matters, not the man in the Oval Office. They’ll gladly throw him under the bus if it means protecting progressivism.

Doughboy on June 19, 2014 at 11:02 AM

And yet some people think questioning Obama’s “illustrations on the internet of a birth certificate” is irregular.

Passport records? Ooops, none of anyone’s business even IF they could be found because they can’t…

Academic records? Ooops, can’t make those public…

Maybe they’ll eventually all be located on a video somewhere. That was what we were told to believe about the ‘why Benghazi’ “distraction”.

Lourdes on June 19, 2014 at 11:03 AM

Google’s massive computing talent mysteriously silent…

Lourdes on June 19, 2014 at 11:04 AM

Obama will be furious when he reads about this in the papers, but thats unlikely because the STATE MEDIA won’t report it. How does this man keep on sinning, corrupting lying, and still get a way with it. His head must be full of pride. I have been waiting for the fall but running out of patience.

garydt on June 19, 2014 at 11:05 AM

Without backups or the drives, those communications have been lost. Unless Lerner testifies, which she has so far refused to do, or unless the House subpoenas all executive-branch e-mails, they’re likely lost forever.

It’s a lie Ed.

The White House has multiple offsite backups and so does the IRS. They just don’t believe anyone is going to call them on it.

Start arresting people and putting them in jail cells shared by large hairy cellmates with poor hygiene habits and I guaran-damn-tee those emails will miraculously appear.

dogsoldier on June 19, 2014 at 11:06 AM

Mission Accomplished! Bonuses all-around on the house!

ROCnPhilly on June 19, 2014 at 11:07 AM

Drudge’s headline and pic tells everyone all they need to know regarding the notion that the current administration will do anything to get to the bottom of this email loss

jaywemm on June 19, 2014 at 11:08 AM

The IRS has just established an excuse for millions of people they’ll be harassing about documentation — oops, “harddrive was destroyed, now everything’s gone”. If we accept this tale, then the IRS should be prepared to accept it by those they’ll be pressing for documents.

Lourdes on June 19, 2014 at 10:46 AM

I actually have been fairly worried about an IRS audit since I had a hard drive crash a few years ago. I had a home based consulting business at the time and all of its records were lost in that crash, as were my tax returns that were done in TurboTax. I’m sure many others are in the same boat.

rockmom on June 19, 2014 at 11:08 AM

Without backups or the drives, those communications have been lost.

Ed, you’re a bigtime blogger & I think have mentioned some tech experience as well. I’m in a different field, but do use computers/email every day.

Can you clear something up for us?

The IRS keeps referring to the “hard drive,” but (as many commenters here have mentioned) emails don’t just live in one’s computer. I can access mine from another computer, blackberry/Iphone, whatever.

Wouldn’t Lerner’s govt. emails be on a Microsoft Exchange server or something similar? I’m sure there is a limit to what is “kept,” but if her computer crashed in the summer of 2011, they should have at least been able to retrieve data for the first half of the year IMO. I’ve had my work computer go down & be replaced, and while I lost some data from stored emails a couple of years ago, most stuff was recovered & put on the new one.

I would also think the IRS would have much more robust redundancy & backup features than your typical business enterprise.

What am I missing here?

cs89 on June 19, 2014 at 11:08 AM

Notice the trolls are missing on this thread…

sandee on June 19, 2014 at 10:55 AM

They’ve been missing on ALL such threads, and won’t appear until the WH has found a meme that will stick, and the subsequent marching orders sent out to every mama’s basement.

Ricard on June 19, 2014 at 11:09 AM

What. A. Coincidence! Much of Lerner’s intra-agency e-mail correspondence (that is, within the IRS) has been reconstituted through searches of others’ e-mails. However, Issa and Ways and Means chair Dave Camp specifically wanted the communications between Lerner and others outside the IRS — especially any potential e-mails between Lerner and the Department of Justice and the White House.

So again, search the outsiders’ emails. Not to mention, email is stored on servers. No one, from Dear Liar on down should get the benefit of the doubt. We have a feral bureaucracy that has been encouraged by Chicago style gangster government.

rbj on June 19, 2014 at 11:10 AM

I’m sure many others are in the same boat.

rockmom on June 19, 2014 at 11:08 AM

My implication earlier was that the IRS will almost certainly not find that retort acceptable. Yet the country is supposed to just accept that the IRS can use that excuse but taxpayers can’t.

Lourdes on June 19, 2014 at 11:10 AM

Throat Wobbler Mangrove on June 19, 2014 at 11:01 AM

I’ve been saying tis for over a week, and they read this site. They know this story from the IRS is bovine excrement. The question is this: Does anyone in congress have the stones to do something about it?

How much corruption can they stomach? Geez, Louise. It’s one thing after another.

dogsoldier on June 19, 2014 at 11:10 AM

Most transparent administration evah.

JetBoy on June 19, 2014 at 11:11 AM

Sarbanes Oxley requires that the company I work for retain ALL emails (not just self-selected “official business” emails) for 5 years. Storage is cheap, emails are generally very small, and it’s not an issue for my company to do — in fact, they retain all emails for 10 years. That is best practices, not even just for government compliance. If, for example, an employee complains of being harassed or bullied by another employee, the company wants to have records.

Nowhere in the IT world is it best practices to have employees decide which emails are germane, then to back those up to a local hard drive. In fact, that’s about the worst practice you can find. If that’s the IRS’ policy, it’s only so that they can avoid situations like this. AND, the IRS waited until their 6 month tape back up window had written over any newer emails that Lerner may not have decided were germane enough to back up to tell anyone.

I know federal law requires the government to keep all official correspondences indefinitely. This whole situation is beyond ridiculous, and I find it VERY hard to believe that the IRS is still backing everything up to tape and not de-dup’ing it and putting it on SANs. AND, if they are backing up to tape, that they only back up emails and files for 6 months. If they had a catastrophic failure in their data center, they expect us to believe that they would just lose every piece of data that was more then 6 months old? I doubt it.

Subpoena the IT guys and have a tech savvy staffer advising the congressmen questioning them. I think we’ll find that everything the IRS has told us about their data retention policy is a lie. I just find it very hard to believe that government is this incompetent and this out of step with industry best practices, and I think any of their IT guys would be embarrassed to try to trot this lie out in front of the american people.

Timin203 on June 19, 2014 at 11:11 AM

All of this proves that what is on those missing emails must be very incriminating. Why else would they put forth such a ridiculous lie? Why don’t they ask for all the White House, Obama campaign, DNC and democrat politician’s emails that they received from Lerner and her minions?. Surely, not all their emails have been erased or destroyed.

fight like a girl on June 19, 2014 at 11:11 AM

I do not believe that Ms. Lerner’s hard drive is the only place that her emails (I believe required by law to be kept) were archived. And why these specific six computers? Regardless, get the emails from the recipients. And since the White House has checked to see if Ms. Lerner sent them emails (no evidence) someone should be interested that one of the six people involved sure made a lot of trips to the White House.

Cindy Munford on June 19, 2014 at 11:13 AM

What am I missing here?

cs89 on June 19, 2014 at 11:08 AM

You’re not missing a thing. Email is TRANSMITTED: it’s sent from one “harddrive” so to speak to another via a server or several servers, depending on who-what-sent-where.

Yet we’re being expected to believe that all email existed on a Lerner “harddrive” that’s since been destroyed. All emails, everything, imprisoned on one lone Lerner harddrive.

Lourdes on June 19, 2014 at 11:13 AM

Ok. The emails are gone.

Now, start prosecuting IRS employees for failing to follow federal law concerning data retention.

Guaranteed, those emails will show up.

BobMbx on June 19, 2014 at 11:13 AM

sad so many are taking the hard drive bait.
willingly it seems on the congress and media side.
ever access your email on old style (I use this example to head off sd card thoughts) flip phone? there damn sure was no sd card on the many I accessed my exchange (as in 8 feet from me right now) exchange server.
the damned drive does not matter.
and if she was using (illegally) a non-.bov address at work just subpeona the host (google/yahoo/etc) to gain those. and if she was accessing mail from her own email domain on her own server from work then theres a whole other security and legal issue involved as well.

dmacleo on June 19, 2014 at 11:14 AM

Obama learned well from Nixon: destroy the evidence.

PD Quig on June 19, 2014 at 11:14 AM

cs89 on June 19, 2014 at 11:08 AM

Excellent question.

Cindy Munford on June 19, 2014 at 11:14 AM

Lois Lerner should be thrown away too, in jail. Let’s start throwing everything away like her pension.

Jayrae on June 19, 2014 at 11:14 AM

Well, it is for sure that Dear Leader hasn’t read about this in the newspapers……

d1carter on June 19, 2014 at 11:15 AM

…someone should be interested that one of the six people involved sure made a lot of trips to the White House.

Cindy Munford on June 19, 2014 at 11:13 AM

Yes, very interested. And that’s likely the smallest part of the wrong-doer’s involved.

Lourdes on June 19, 2014 at 11:15 AM

cs89 on June 19, 2014 at 11:08 AM

They are using exchange server as some experts have reported recently. AND their exchange server is set up to get backed up off site. Those backups get backed up too.

The emails also live on White House backups, since Lois Lerner and her fascist cohort emailed people working for King Put and perhaps even Putt himself. The White House email servers are backed up offsite in multiple locations and those backups get backed up.

Everything the IRS is saying about this case IS A LIE.

The hard drive crash is a RED HERRING.

dogsoldier on June 19, 2014 at 11:15 AM

the headline conjures up images of a dumpster-diving darrell issa.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on June 19, 2014 at 11:15 AM

Hasn’t there been a law on the books for years now that all federal communications have to be retained for at least 7 years?

Rocks on June 19, 2014 at 11:17 AM

the headline conjures up images of a dumpster-diving darrell issa.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on June 19, 2014 at 11:15 AM

Do you think it’s strange that the emails from those 2 years are now gone?

BoxHead1 on June 19, 2014 at 11:17 AM

Here’s what ultimately at stake:

Obama/The DNC “hassled” or harassed Conservative/Right groups and individuals to a degree that they became less capable in the re-election if not the first election process of Barack Obama.

They’re desperate to keep their crimes suppressed, the DNC are. It’s almost certainly a wretched story including the IRS, use of the Treasury and Justice to coerce and harm the voters and campaign finance also.

Lourdes on June 19, 2014 at 11:17 AM

Hard Drive = Squirrel. The emails should all be backed up on the MS Exchange Server with multiple offline backups from that server as well.

JimK on June 19, 2014 at 11:17 AM

Alright. Then by their own admission this means either there was willful intent or gross incompetence. Either way, they should NOT be allowed or expected to handle medical records.

ghostwalker1 on June 19, 2014 at 11:18 AM

So again, search the outsiders’ emails. Not to mention, email is stored on servers. No one, from Dear Liar on down should get the benefit of the doubt. We have a feral bureaucracy that has been encouraged by Chicago style gangster government.

rbj on June 19, 2014 at 11:10 AM

Not only does email live in the data center, not on local machines, but it isn’t just purged every very months and written to tape then forgotten about.

In a typical large IT environment, the email sits on a SAN which the Exchange servers access. That SAN backs up to an offsite SAN which also holds the emails. Due to Microsoft licensing, most inboxes have a limit of around 500 MB. Once you hit that limit, the end user either deletes or archives emails, either way they are moved off the primary SAN and in to an email archiver or another storage array. Both SANs are periodically backed up to either disk (disk 2 disk) or tape (which is really not that common anymore). So at any given time, that data exists in at least 4 locations, and none of them are the local hard drive. Even deleted emails should be captured on the primary SAN and backed up. I’ve never heard of any kind of IT environment where emails or any other important data is archived to the local hard drive. That is absurd, no organization would risk losing data to end user negligence. (oops, i spilled coffee on my computer and just lost 2 years of important tax payer information for the audit I was working on. Oh well.)

And it is beyond out of PCI compliance to store personal credit information on an unencrypted, unsecured hard drive sitting beyond someones Linksys router at home. All of this data always sits in the data center, and employees working from home VPN in to that server and access the info from beyond a firewall.

I just find their whole explanation absolutely unbelievable.

Timin203 on June 19, 2014 at 11:18 AM

and backups are done automatically, for them to not have been done is a lark. alarms would have been sent, irony is sent by email…, if one was stopped.
and if backups were altered there will be a log. no one person has (if setup right) full access to both alter a backup and delete a log.

dmacleo on June 19, 2014 at 11:19 AM

Hey . . . it’s the leftist messiah and the media simply doesn’t care.

rplat on June 19, 2014 at 11:20 AM

the headline conjures up images of a dumpster-diving darrell issa.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on June 19, 2014 at 11:15 AM

Well, somebody needs to get you your food, Lord knows you can’t provide it on your own.

VegasRick on June 19, 2014 at 11:21 AM

Obama learned well from Nixon: destroy the evidence.

PD Quig on June 19, 2014 at 11:14 AM

AT LEAST Nixon had the ethics to resign.

Obama’s grabbing more desperately to what he seems to think is “his” office, if not government.

Nixon’s tape-making was nearly harmless by comparison with what Obama’s sticky fingers have been involved in. It’s not even reasonable today to try and compare Nixon’s tape-making with the vastness of Obama’s AND ADMINISTRATION’S monstrous misdeeds.

Lourdes on June 19, 2014 at 11:21 AM

Timin203 on June 19, 2014 at 11:18 AM

sort of on topic but didn’t that size change with exchange 2007 and onward CALS?

dmacleo on June 19, 2014 at 11:21 AM

I’ve been saying tis for over a week, and they read this site. They know this story from the IRS is bovine excrement. The question is this: Does anyone in congress have the stones to do something about it?

How much corruption can they stomach? Geez, Louise. It’s one thing after another.

dogsoldier on June 19, 2014 at 11:10 AM

I’m with you, dogsoldier. For the life of me, I don’t know why they aren’t screaming bloody murder about this, and not getting hung up on the stupid hard drive allegedly being toast.

Throat Wobbler Mangrove on June 19, 2014 at 11:22 AM

The emails are on a server. Oh.. the server has been recycled? Well, isn’t that funny because I can still access my email from anywhere in the world and have been able to for over 15 years. I’m pretty sure Yahoo hasn’t used the same server for all this time. This doesn’t pass the smell test either.

jewells45 on June 19, 2014 at 10:50 AM

^^^^^ This!

(..maybe this e-mail thing is spreading, by the way. My Road Runner account was down a couple of days ago and it’s been spotty ever since.)

The War Planner on June 19, 2014 at 11:22 AM

Lourdes on June 19, 2014 at 10:57 AM

BREAKING NEWS -

A massive fire broke out the evening of June 18, 2014 in the offices housing the paper records of Lois Lerner and 8 other IRS officials. As is official policy, Lois Lerner and the other officials dutifully printed all email records. As the IRS probe commenced, all records were collected and stored in the one central location, even though not one smidgen of evidence existed of any scandal.
The records were being stored as evidence in the IRS Tea Party targeting probe, and were under a Congressional subpoena.
The contents were declared a total loss by IRS officials. Obama administration officials stated that these things happen every once in a while. A warehouse fire that destroyed the voter registration records of Harris county in 2010 verifies the claim that subpoenaed records are more vulnerable to combustion.

gonnjos on June 19, 2014 at 11:22 AM

“Please Proceed Governor”

“Not a smidgeon of evidence”

These are statements of 100% confidence that the fix is in. Smugness is not a good look for the office of the President.

can_con on June 19, 2014 at 11:23 AM

Their explanations are so implausible simply because IT would never allow users to be in charge of their own backups. That would lead to complete disaster.

JimK on June 19, 2014 at 11:23 AM

Speaking of outrage, the far more incredible part of this fairy tale is that six other individual hard drives “crashed” in addition to Lerner’s. Computer hard drives can crash, no doubt, but it is an extremely rare occurrence. In all my years and all the personal and business environments within which I have worked, it has happened once and it wasn’t so much a crash as a corruption that required rebuilding a drive (but we’ll call it the same thing).

For a total of seven individual, stand-alone hard drives within the same organization to spontaneously “crash” in the same limited time period isn’t unlikely — it is virtually impossible.

Consider the odds of winning the lottery two or three times in a row.

That part of this story has not received nearly enough attention. It couldn’t have happened; it didn’t happen. People are lying. And the audacity of the lies suggests only one thing — the need to protect someone much higher up the food chain than Lois Lerner.

IndieDogg on June 19, 2014 at 11:24 AM

the headline conjures up images of a dumpster-diving darrell issa.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on June 19, 2014 at 11:15 AM

The only dumpster diving is you and your comment.

itsspideyman on June 19, 2014 at 11:24 AM

the headline conjures up images of a dumpster-diving darrell issa.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on June 19, 2014 at 11:15 AM

Do you think it’s strange that the emails from those 2 years are now gone??

BoxHead1 on June 19, 2014 at 11:17 AM

Sentence unnecessarily long.
And the answer is no.

Closet Optimist on June 19, 2014 at 11:24 AM

I can actually believe this one, it’s standard practice to wipe hard disks that have reached the end of their life as they are a major source of confidential data leaks.

But I also think it’s irrelevant, as it’s patently incredible that the only archived storage for emails is a single drive on an employee’s desk. This is disputed by all industry standards and all government regulations on data retention and reliable storage. Emails are a tiny fraction of the data running through large organizations, it costs nothing to save them all in the scheme of things, and it’s valuable historical information especially in a memo-driven and CYA culture like government bureaucracy. Don’t let this story distract you from the bigger lie.

Socratease on June 19, 2014 at 11:25 AM

Clever. Why is it that they can get away with this?

sandee on June 19, 2014 at 10:44 AM

I was just raging about this in the top section. I’m claiming collusion on the part of Issa and the Rs. I know it’s totally tin foil hatish of me but here is the deal; the onus is on the Rs to prove my theory wrong because if the “outing” of Plame was a scandal with legs then this is the freaking NYC marathon. If the Rs can’t make anything out of this it means that they AREN’T TRYING.

I want to be proven wrong but when Issa makes tepid comments about how “this dosen’t happen” it only reinforces my theory. OK “it doesn’t happen” NOW WHAT?!? … nothing …

BoxHead1 on June 19, 2014 at 11:25 AM

Timin203 on June 19, 2014 at 11:18 AM

This sounds about right but it missing something. Since the government is required by law to retain communications. All incoming and outgoing email should have been copied and retained at the instant it is processed. Whether the user deletes it is irrelevant as it can’t ever really be deleted by the user but just stop appearing in the email box they see.

Rocks on June 19, 2014 at 11:25 AM

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