Quotes of the day

posted at 10:21 pm on June 17, 2014 by Allahpundit

Hillary Rodham Clinton is not deciding whether to run for president; she’s already running for president. If she doesn’t make it to the starting gate for the 2016 Democratic primaries, she will have quit running. When has a Clinton ever quit anything?…

For years, Clinton loyalists have had to account for the simple truth that Hillary does not possess her husband’s natural political gifts. That’s no disgrace; few politicians do. But she can be thin-skinned, defensive, tin-eared, needlessly confrontational, and susceptible to wild conspiracy theories. Bill has these traits, too, but hides them better…

Then and now, she despised being questioned about either her motives or judgment. This week, she lashed out at liberal interviewer Terry Gross for having the temerity to ask if the Clintons had changed their minds about gay marriage or if they had changed their public position when it became expedient. It’s an interesting question, actually, and one I’ve wondered about since the night during Bill Clinton’s 1996 re-election campaign when he signed the Orwellian-named Defense of Marriage Act into law. Hillary also fudged on the date in the Gross interview, citing the year 1993, a reminder that another trait she shares with Bill is a willingness to bend the truth.

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If Hillary Clinton is elected president in 2016, most Americans say they think she will do a good job handling crucial domestic and international issues, according to a new national poll…

Clinton served as America’s top diplomat during Obama’s first four years in office, so it may not be surprising that some of her best marks in the poll come on overseas issues: 63% say she would do a good job on foreign policy and 61% say the same on terrorism.

But it is notable that 63% say she’d do a good job handling the economy, and 57% believe she’d handle health care well…

Just 38% questioned in the CNN poll say that they approve of how the President’s handling the economy. That’s 25 percentage points lower than the number who think Clinton would do a good job on the economy. Only 40% approve of Obama’s foreign policy, 23 points lower than Clinton.

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Yet when it comes to the kind of domestic policy platform we can expect from a Clinton candidacy, it may be anything but a shift away from Obama. Instead, it will look a lot like a third Obama term, focusing on areas that should still have enormous popular appeal come 2016.

Over his first six years in office, Obama has followed through on significant promises advancing a center-left agenda. A Clinton candidacy will aim to consolidate these gains and build upon them…

There are undoubtedly other areas where Clinton could build on Obama’s groundwork. As president, she’d continue implementing and refining the Affordable Care Act. She’d push for immigration reform if that remains unachieved. Perhaps she would try for the much-needed gun safety measures that have eluded Obama despite the disturbing regularity of mass carnage…

For all the talk of Obama fatigue, the promise of a Clinton candidacy would largely be a continuation of the consensus policy vision of the center-left.

***

Hillary Clinton refused to say what policies she disagrees with her husband, former President Bill Clinton, and insisted such matters should be kept private…

“Well, I practiced law for a long time and there’s such a thing called the marital privilege where you do not testify against your spouse,” she declared to laughs…

“We’re constantly sharing ideas and perceptions. We have, I think, an agreeable, general view about our country and the work that we think needs to happen to keep the American dream alive and give, particularly young people, the chance to have the same opportunities that we had,” she said. “We have a lot of differences and it kind of keeps the conversation going.”

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Exhibit A for what Robert Kagan describes as his “mainstream” view of American force is his relationship with former Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, who remains the vessel into which many interventionists are pouring their hopes. Mr. Kagan pointed out that he had recently attended a dinner of foreign-policy experts at which Mrs. Clinton was the guest of honor, and that he had served on her bipartisan group of foreign-policy heavy hitters at the State Department, where his wife worked as her spokeswoman.

“I feel comfortable with her on foreign policy,” Mr. Kagan said, adding that the next step after Mr. Obama’s more realist approach “could theoretically be whatever Hillary brings to the table” if elected president. “If she pursues a policy which we think she will pursue,” he added, “it’s something that might have been called neocon, but clearly her supporters are not going to call it that; they are going to call it something else.”

***

“This time around, be true to yourself,” Hubbell tells me, using the second-person pronoun to indirectly advise Clinton. “You’re still trying to create —” he stops himself. “You’ve got so many people around you trying to shape your image that you lack …”

“Authenticity?” I suggest.

Hubbell nods. Shifting to the third-person, he says of Clinton, “I think that instead she needs to be herself. She’s a great person.”…

Hubbell isn’t the only person encouraging Clinton to get real. I wrote a column six months ago that channeled her closest associates urging Clinton to run a radically atypical campaign – accessible, authentic, insurgent and populist. One of the sources of that column, a top adviser, told me last week, “My friend is making the same old mistakes.”

***

Hillary Clinton’s out-of-the-gate stumbles in interviews this week reflect an issue she’s faced repeatedly during her political career – defensiveness with the media, and difficulty acknowledging a mistake

“Be careful what you ask for because you might get it,” said one Clinton insider, pointing to the coverage of the cautious Clinton and saying this is what happens when a politician is candid. “Well, here you go, people. Buckle up.”

Still, this is hardly the first time Clinton has flashed irritation when confronted by unwelcome queries — it has happened frequently throughout her political career. Clinton has also shown some rustiness in the past after coming back from a hiatus from the media glare; her return to the public stage this week came after a year of very little questioning from the press…

“Hillary simply needs to learn to speak to the voters through the interviewer rather than taking the bait,” said one veteran Democratic strategist, who asked not to be identified. “When you get combative, you are simply inviting the rest of the media to take the same approach.”

***

No one doubts she will be a strong supporter of gay equality if elected president, now that all the political incentives to take that position are aligned. She has advanced gay rights other than marriage at times in her long career. And she has never come across in speeches or interviews as an anti-gay bigot. There is, however, a vocal segment of the left that is invested in likening people who opposed gay marriage to racists who opposed interracial marriage. There is also resentment from gays who feel that the Clintons wronged them in the past…

Clinton’s NPR interview sheds light both on educated Democrats who think they know her and the way she plans to talk to them about her longtime opposition to marriage equality.

Consider how the issue was broached. “So what’s it like when you’re in office and you have to do all these political calculations to not be able to support something like gay marriage that you actually believe in?” Gross said. “You obviously feel very committed to human rights and you obviously put gay rights as part of human rights. But in doing the calculus you decided you couldn’t support it.” The NPR host is seemingly unable to conceive of the fact than an iconic Democrat like Clinton could have really, truly opposed gay equality all those years. In liberal circles, it now seems impossible to have cared deeply about human rights, to have cared about gay rights, and to have objected to gay marriage, even though that was the exact position of almost all liberals very recently…

One wonders if her reputation for wisdom and competence can survive a primary election that focuses attention on how frequently she gets big judgment calls wrong.

***

Now on Iraq, she finds herself in a familiar and uncomfortable position between a war-weary Democratic Party on one side and hawkish Republicans eager to paint her as weak on the other. She’s tried to thread this needle before and it didn’t work well.

“The current crisis in Iraq is a reminder of the dangers Hillary Clinton faces with the Democratic base,” said Stephen Miles of the progressive group Win without War. “Today, with the threat of military action once again on the table in Iraq, … we’ll be looking to see if her recent denunciation of her 2002 vote for the Iraq War represents a true change of heart or was simply an effort to rewrite history in advance of a 2016 run.”…

Of course, Iraq is an old problem for Clinton. Heading into the 2008 presidential campaign, she tried to atone for her vote in favor by becoming one of the Senate’s more vocal antiwar voices, opposing the surge and voting to block it in a bill that didn’t gain cloture. Later, she said that while the increased troops had helped improve security temporarily, the surge ultimately “failed” in its broader goals.

In a different move that now looks more prescient, she in August of 2007 called on the Iraqi Parliament to replace al-Maliki with “a less divisive and more unifying figure,” prompting an angry response from the leader.

***

“We’re not going to forgive her, despite her best effort to whitewash her history,” said Brian Becker, the executive director of the antiwar ANSWER Coalition, which formed in the run-up to the Iraq War. “We consider Hillary Clinton to be almost a part of the neoconservative establishment.”…

Eugene Puryear, a far-left activist who is running for an at-large seat on the District of Columbia Council, said there’s “absolutely no chance” he could support Clinton. Her latter-day admission that the vote was a mistake is “highly opportunistic … absurd and really offensive,” added Puryear, whose interest in politics started when he attended an anti-Iraq War march during high school.

Gerry Condon, the vice president of Veterans for Peace, was somewhat more sympathetic, saying he thought Clinton had “learned her lesson,” but said he could still never support her. “We would welcome her becoming a politician who actually supports diplomacy, but I’m not going to hold my breath,” he said…

Carlo Chavarría, a 21-year-old rising senior at American University, said there’s no way he’d vote for Clinton in 2016. “She seems so progressive on other issues,” he said, but when it comes to foreign policy, “she’s a warmonger.”

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3) It ain’t gonna be a coronation. HRC must have been taken aback last week when two members of the traveling sisterhood – Diane Sawyer of ABC News and Terry Gross of NPR – actually pressed her with uncomfortable questions about Benghazi and gay marriage, respectively. Hillary didn’t respond well in either situation, and the ensuing coverage was instructive. If she can’t count on favorable press coverage during the choreographed rollout of a self-reverential memoir, what does that tell us about how she’d do in debates against a determined opponent? And does Clinton really want to face the scrutiny, not to mention the slings and arrows, that come with any campaign?

4) Obama is leaving a mess. President Obama’s second term is complicating matters significantly for Hillary. His foreign policy, which Clinton helped direct for four years – is adrift. The situation has unraveled dangerously in Syria and now Iraq. The infamous “reset” with Russia is a joke. Obama’s job approval rating is on the slide, and not only on foreign policy. He’s struggling to stay relevant in Washington or to move any sort of domestic agenda forward, which will be made even more difficult if Republicans take the Senate in November. It’s hard to see how any of these dynamics change for the better in the next two years — and they may get worse. Hillary will not want to be seen as running for Obama’s third term, yet she won’t be able to distance herself too far from his record. That will be a tough needle to thread politically (see point #1).

5) The country wants real change. America was mesmerized by Obama’s call for change in 2008. It was one of the narratives that propelled him over Hillary in the first place. Eight years later, Obama has failed to deliver much of what he promised on uniting the country and changing business as usual in Washington. As a result an even stronger populist, anti-establishment, anti-incumbent fervor is coursing through the electorate. That does not bode well for Hillary Clinton, who embodies the elite establishment — and the past. If the famed Clinton political acumen still exists in that family, Hillary will figure this out and take a pass on 2016.

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Via the Corner.


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When are them Amish hardliners going to start kicking ass?

cabra viejo on June 17, 2014 at 10:46 PM

Didn’t they blow up the outdoor arena in Nigeria tonight where people were watching the World Cup?

Resist We Much on June 17, 2014 at 10:52 PM

When’s the last time the Obama administration spoke out against the violence perpetrated by Muslims against minorities like Christians and Jews?

Resist We Much on June 17, 2014 at 10:45 PM

RWM:

Oh,..oh,…I know,……I know….the….Cairo Speechy:
(snark)

Text: Obama’s Speech in Cairo

Published: June 4, 2009

The following is a text of President Obama’s prepared remarks to the Muslim world, delivered on June 4, 2009, as released by the White House.
*************

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/04/us/politics/04obama.text.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

canopfor on June 17, 2014 at 10:53 PM

cozmo on June 17, 2014 at 10:29 PM

Cozmo, you will do as you see fit. Take a break, if you must, but please come back! Sardonic you may be, but you’re OUR kind of sardonic!

*smoooooch!*

Newtie and the Beauty on June 17, 2014 at 10:53 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on June 17, 2014 at 10:51 PM

Go read the last three pages of last nights qotd…

OmahaConservative on June 17, 2014 at 10:55 PM

Anyone else notice that there hasn’t been very much here on the southern border being over-run immigrants, including 50,000-60,000 children?

V7_Sport on June 17, 2014 at 10:55 PM

oscarwilde on June 17, 2014 at 10:38 PM

Those are blogs, though, not really forums.

I used to go here years ago. I like their layout. Delphi Forums. I used to go The Lab, also, which split off from Delphi. This software which runs it could be put on someone’s server.

MXBoard is forum software that presents its content using frames; topics and threads list at left and messages display at right.

non-nonpartisan on June 17, 2014 at 10:51 PM

Hot Air isn’t a Forum either, but a Blog.

oscarwilde on June 17, 2014 at 10:55 PM

US lethal injection drug controversy
53s
Supreme Court refuses to block execution of Marcus Wellons in Georgia, 1st since botched lethal injection in Oklahoma – @AP
Read more on abcnews.go.com

https://twitter.com/AP

The Associated Press @AP · 3h

Convicted killers in three states due for execution in 24-hour period beginning tonight: http://apne.ws/1iF5tTY

canopfor on June 17, 2014 at 10:55 PM

Resist We Much on June 17, 2014 at 10:51 PM

Real time chat? Tunes?

thatsafactjack on June 17, 2014 at 10:55 PM

non-nonpartisan on June 17, 2014 at 10:51 PM

I will be building something with drupal. Right now I am up to my eyeballs with a client (since Jan ’13) but I am starting to get things together.

gh on June 17, 2014 at 10:56 PM

let it snow

Fred

jrsrigmvr on June 17, 2014 at 10:56 PM

The quotes on immigration:

Hillary Clinton said Tuesday that the American government should deport thousands of children who cross the border illegally into the United States.

Pressed by Christiane Amanpour during a televised CNN town hall event, the former secretary of state and possible 2016 presidential candidate bucked her political party by insisting that letting unaccompanied minors remain in the U.S. is the wrong policy to embrace.

‘They should be sent back as soon as it can be determined who responsible adults in their families are,’ Clinton said, ‘because – there are concerns about whether all of them can be sent back, but I think all of them that can be should be reunited with their families.’

Moments later, Clinton articulated a bottom-line policy that disagrees sharply with President Obama’s observable priorities.

‘We have to send a clear message: Just because your child gets across the border, that doesn’t mean the child gets to stay,’ Clinton said.

vlad martel on June 17, 2014 at 10:56 PM

It is painfully obvious he doesn’t have a clue what he is talking about.

oscarwilde on June 17, 2014 at 10:50 PM

really? the four factors courts consider in evaluating title 17 claims:

‘purpose and character’ – quoting an entire article with no additional commentary clearly aims to ‘supersede the objects’

‘nature of the copied work’ – this is clearly copyrighted material not in the public domain

‘amount and sustainability’ – 100% of the original has been reproduced

‘effect upon work’s value’ – the reproduction is acting as a ‘direct market substitute’

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on June 17, 2014 at 10:56 PM

OmahaConservative on June 17, 2014 at 10:55 PM

To be honest, Omaha, you and Nova have both done your share of troll feeding. I’ve been there when you both did it.

thatsafactjack on June 17, 2014 at 10:56 PM

t doesnt matter to you that you are potentially in violation of copyright law? ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on June 17, 2014 at 10:44 PM

This is normally a happy place. Where a bunch of friends get together. Known each other for years.

Can you explain for me why you insist on trying to f*@k that up?

Same goes for bluegill,, AP.

Why don’t you leave it alone.

You got your trophy for the day.

wolly4321 on June 17, 2014 at 10:57 PM

Paul v Clinton.

Bring it…!!!

JohnGalt23 on June 17, 2014 at 10:57 PM

jrsrigmvr on June 17, 2014 at 10:56 PM

Good evening, Fred. :) It’s very good to see you.

thatsafactjack on June 17, 2014 at 10:57 PM

Anyone else notice that there hasn’t been very much here on the southern border being over-run immigrants, including 50,000-60,000 children?

V7_Sport on June 17, 2014 at 10:55 PM

You are right, but about the only place you can read about it is Breitbart. Also, Drudge has been good about providing links to the story.

But for the most part, it’s being ignored. Fox TV news only picked up on it recently.

cat_owner on June 17, 2014 at 10:57 PM

I’m curious (hai hai, whatever). The founders thought the government they were establishing would be one where participants would serve and then ‘return to their plows’. Where did they go wrong? Human nature? I get the impression they weren’t that dumb. So what happened?

DemetriusPhalerum on June 17, 2014 at 10:58 PM

So many write ups,
yet I still don’t know if WahaBIllary will be better than the Piece of Shiite we have now , hmmmmm…..
I will not submit to taquiyya , shia or sunni .

burrata on June 17, 2014 at 10:58 PM

ANGEL OF RETRIBUTION – Judas Priest

thatsafactjack on June 17, 2014 at 10:58 PM

Real time chat? Tunes?

thatsafactjack on June 17, 2014 at 10:55 PM

I don’t screen comments first so they should go up immediately.

You can post whatever you want. Tunes or anything else.

:-)

Resist We Much on June 17, 2014 at 10:59 PM

To be honest, Omaha, you and Nova have both done your share of troll feeding. I’ve been there when you both did it.

thatsafactjack on June 17, 2014 at 10:56 PM

Yep. I know, but I am done now. Too many that we care about are dropping like flies…

OmahaConservative on June 17, 2014 at 10:59 PM

Wow it’s 8 already.

cat_owner on June 17, 2014 at 11:00 PM

wolly4321 on June 17, 2014 at 10:57 PM

We could all just leave, go to The Gulch, and let Kochie talk to himself.

Resist We Much on June 17, 2014 at 11:01 PM

Wow it’s 8 already.

cat_owner on June 17, 2014 at 11:00 PM

Wow! It is 10 already…

yaedon on June 17, 2014 at 11:01 PM

You are right, but about the only place you can read about it is Breitbart. Also, Drudge has been good about providing links to the story.

But for the most part, it’s being ignored. Fox TV news only picked up on it recently.

cat_owner on June 17, 2014 at 10:57 PM

Seems like Allah would have been all over it, red meat and all. I have family in Texas and they say that they have never seen it this bad. There literally isn’t any place to put all the illegals.

V7_Sport on June 17, 2014 at 11:01 PM

It’s a good idea, and I hope some of the commenters who have been here for a while will consider doing it. Y’all are a good group!

I wish we had possessed the forethought to do that when RS started to unravel three years ago. I still have contact with some of my old blog-mates from there, but it’s not like the camaraderie y’all have here.

lineholder on June 17, 2014 at 10:38 PM

We can do this. I am tired of dealing with trolls and quasi-trolls, and semi-free speech.

I have some plans in that area.

gh on June 17, 2014 at 10:39 PM

=)

Hon you’re gonna need to do a mass list to save space soon. Too many friends are dropping like flies. And if anyone decides to take the blog thing seriously I would ask that they also invite the likes of Verbaluce, Libfree and Urban. Real trolls are the only way it would work.

Judge_Dredd on June 17, 2014 at 10:48 PM

Are you being serious? lol

If someone sets up an alternate forum, it has to be free of trolls, or at least have areas which are free of them. Otherwise it defeats the point for me. I want a place away from pointless argumentation.

non-nonpartisan on June 17, 2014 at 11:02 PM

Why don’t you leave it alone.

You got your trophy for the day.

wolly4321 on June 17, 2014 at 10:57 PM

Don’t argue with him/her/it. Just ignore.

crankyoldlady on June 17, 2014 at 11:02 PM

Dan Fogelberg – Along The Road

lineholder on June 17, 2014 at 11:02 PM

We could all just leave, go to The Gulch, and let Kochie talk to himself.

Resist We Much on June 17, 2014 at 11:01 PM

The Gulch has been locked down…

OmahaConservative on June 17, 2014 at 11:02 PM

To be honest, Omaha, you and Nova have both done your share of troll feeding. I’ve been there when you both did it.

thatsafactjack on June 17, 2014 at 10:56 PM

I have done it only rarely, particularly of late, and generally restrict it to a single critical post. Recent events are solidifying my position on the point.

novaculus on June 17, 2014 at 11:02 PM

Resist We Much on June 17, 2014 at 10:59 PM

I thank you sincerely, RWM. :) I’ll be there. Thank you for the invitation. :)

I’ve got…unfinished business…but then I’ll definitely be stopping by. Save me a place in the moonlight. :)

thatsafactjack on June 17, 2014 at 11:03 PM

V7_Sport on June 17, 2014 at 11:01 PM

Yeah, I’m surprised AP hasn’t been on it more. Of course, there are so many things going on that are all bad…….. Iraq, IRS emails, and so on.

But this is a HUGE domestic story. Makes no sense that most conservative sites aren’t writing about it a lot more.

cat_owner on June 17, 2014 at 11:04 PM

Good luck with this project. :-)

coolrepublica on June 17, 2014 at 10:52 PM

You could come too if you would act right but I don’t think that is possible. I don’t think you are a troll but you try awful hard.

cabra viejo on June 17, 2014 at 11:04 PM

non-nonpartisan on June 17, 2014 at 11:02 PM

Did this one in summer/fall of 2012: http://unit11.com

gh on June 17, 2014 at 11:04 PM

Please. Trollcott. For KA2 tonight. DO NOT ENGAGE THEM!!!

OmahaConservative on June 17, 2014 at 10:34 PM

OC: From here on out,…DONE!!

Me gonna chime in,

I think the Troll Operatives have taken down H/A Crew Members,
and between Five years or more of Hopey,..gawd only knows, er
the Devil only knows what stupid idiotic surprises Obama will pull
next!

Americans and H/A Members are beyond fed up with this Poser In
Chief,….its Saturation Stupidity OverLoad!–:0

canopfor on June 17, 2014 at 11:04 PM

Wow it’s 8 already.

cat_owner on June 17, 2014 at 11:00 PM

Where does the time go…?

JohnGalt23 on June 17, 2014 at 11:04 PM

But this is a HUGE domestic story. Makes no sense that most conservative sites aren’t writing about it a lot more.

cat_owner on June 17, 2014 at 11:04 PM

It’s more important than the Middle East because it’s on our border. Our real enemy is the enemy within. I think some can’t see it yet.

crankyoldlady on June 17, 2014 at 11:05 PM

novaculus on June 17, 2014 at 11:02 PM

Indeed, and generally, I’ve refrained from engaging, too, but I’ve lost my temper of late… some things are simply intolerable and civilized behavior can’t exist in an uncivilized environment for long.

I like RWM’s kind invitation, and Axefellow’s place at Sketchbook is nice, too, and you can get away with a fake email address to post at Sketchbook, too. :)

The more I think of it…the better it sounds.

thatsafactjack on June 17, 2014 at 11:06 PM

thatsafactjack on June 17, 2014 at 10:57 PM

Hi. I hope you are doing well.

Fred

jrsrigmvr on June 17, 2014 at 11:07 PM

canopfor on June 17, 2014 at 11:04 PM

I’m going to get banned again-it’s only a matter of time.
I don’t care anymore.
I don’t have any socks. I don’t want a sock.

annoyinglittletwerp on June 17, 2014 at 11:07 PM

WTF? ARE YOU LISTENING AP AND ED? ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!! annoyinglittletwerp on June 17, 2014 at 10:51 PM

Yta,, it’s enough to really piss me off.

wolly4321 on June 17, 2014 at 11:08 PM

I’ll leave y’all with the garbled (probably ban worthy for me) immortal words of the sometimes-goofy governor of the GREAT STATE OF TEXAS:

Adios modo’s.

Lest the trolls sleep easy tonight, your time will come.

Oh, and this.

I cannot take my pitchfork to Washington, but I can bring it here. I can think of no better way to go out than this:

“From Hell’s heart, I stab at thee… For hate’s sake, I spit my last breath at thee…”

cozmo on June 17, 2014 at 10:29 PM

Way to go! You couldn’t have honored KOOL in a better way.

All you fascist scum, I hope you drown in your latrines, if you don’t choke on obama’s shit.

Now, go to Hell, all of you. You are below any form of human. I hope the truly bad ones watch you well. You will be paid back in kind and it ain’t gon’ be pleasant. May karma reach every one of you, you hyenas of the world. You don’t deserve to waste good air.

Schadenfreude on June 17, 2014 at 11:08 PM

The Gulch has been locked down…

OmahaConservative on June 17, 2014 at 11:02 PM

Not the NEW Gulch…

The Gill-Free Gulch

lolz

Resist We Much on June 17, 2014 at 11:08 PM

This place goes to hell at night.

Bishop on June 17, 2014 at 11:08 PM

But for the most part, it’s being ignored. Fox TV news only picked up on it recently.

cat_owner on June 17, 2014 at 10:57 PM

I wonder HOW MUCH Hussein paid to meheeco to use their territory as a transit for ninas and ninos ,
who will establish the azatlan in our country .

burrata on June 17, 2014 at 11:08 PM

I’m going to get banned again-it’s only a matter of time.
I don’t care anymore.
I don’t have any socks. I don’t want a sock.

annoyinglittletwerp on June 17, 2014 at 11:07 PM

Don’t do it darlin’
Otherwise they win…

OmahaConservative on June 17, 2014 at 11:08 PM

Are you being serious? lol

If someone sets up an alternate forum, it has to be free of trolls, or at least have areas which are free of them. Otherwise it defeats the point for me. I want a place away from pointless argumentation.

non-nonpartisan on June 17, 2014 at 11:02 PM

As a heart attack. Real trolls must be invited. Who is Del going to grade? Who is anybody going to call “perfessor”? I will leave it up to the owner whether or not to allow Lourdes or Joana. But the others who are here as disruptors like BG, cr and this jagoff KochForBrains, no. Keep them out.

Judge_Dredd on June 17, 2014 at 11:09 PM

JohnGalt23 on June 17, 2014 at 11:04 PM

Haven’t heard the Grateful Dead in a long time.

cat_owner on June 17, 2014 at 11:09 PM

novaculus on June 17, 2014 at 11:02 PM

Indeed, and generally, I’ve refrained from engaging, too, but I’ve lost my temper of late… some things are simply intolerable and civilized behavior can’t exist in an uncivilized environment for long.

I like RWM’s kind invitation, and Axefellow’s place at Sketchbook is nice, too, and you can get away with a fake email address to post at Sketchbook, too. :)

The more I think of it…the better it sounds.

thatsafactjack on June 17, 2014 at 11:06 PM

You’re also welcome at the Idiot’s Place… ;)

oscarwilde on June 17, 2014 at 11:09 PM

Of course, there are so many things going on that are all bad…….. Iraq, IRS emails, and so on.

cat_owner on June 17, 2014 at 11:04 PM

It’s gotten so bad over the past couple of months that I can’t even pretend to respect the people who supported this administration. I’ve officially become a more irascible version of grandpa Simpson, yelling at people with Obama stickers on their cars and making sure they can’t merge into traffic.

V7_Sport on June 17, 2014 at 11:09 PM

jrsrigmvr on June 17, 2014 at 11:07 PM

I’ve been better, Fred. We’ve lost some good people here lately…

Some of us are thinking of moving on. I hope you’ll come to RWM’s place and Sketchbook, and Wilderness of Mirrors, too.

thatsafactjack on June 17, 2014 at 11:10 PM

This place goes to hell at night.
;-)
Bishop on June 17, 2014 at 11:08 PM

He! Yeah, it’s great, isn’t it? ;-)

lineholder on June 17, 2014 at 11:11 PM

Koch:

Life.

Get one.

CW on June 17, 2014 at 11:11 PM

oscarwilde on June 17, 2014 at 11:09 PM

I just mentioned that ^^^. :)

I hope ‘the idiot’ will forgive me… I’m a little distracted just now.

thatsafactjack on June 17, 2014 at 11:11 PM

V7_Sport on June 17, 2014 at 11:09 PM

I knew Dear Leader was going to be a disaster, but never thought he’d open the border to thousands of children and criminals. It’s unreal what is happening there, and the GOP “leaders” in Congress do nothing.

And he’s still got over two years to go.

cat_owner on June 17, 2014 at 11:12 PM

I thank you sincerely, RWM. :) I’ll be there. Thank you for the invitation. :)

I’ve got…unfinished business…but then I’ll definitely be stopping by. Save me a place in the moonlight. :)

thatsafactjack on June 17, 2014 at 11:03 PM

My pleasure. I don’t even think that I ever went to the other Gulch. So, I have no idea what went on there, but if you guys want a place to vent, go for it.

As for trolls, you guys let me know if you want someone ‘disappeared’ and I’ll make it happen.

Resist We Much on June 17, 2014 at 11:12 PM

canopfor on June 17, 2014 at 11:04 PM

I’m going to get banned again-it’s only a matter of time.
I don’t care anymore.
I don’t have any socks. I don’t want a sock.

annoyinglittletwerp on June 17, 2014 at 11:07 PM

ALT: To be honest,..I thought the socks were going to get
hammered by now,..I dunno:)

canopfor on June 17, 2014 at 11:12 PM

oscarwilde on June 17, 2014 at 11:09 PM

I just mentioned that ^^^. :)

I hope ‘the idiot’ will forgive me… I’m a little distracted just now.

thatsafactjack on June 17, 2014 at 11:11 PM

I’m sure he will… {{jackie}}

oscarwilde on June 17, 2014 at 11:12 PM

The Collapsing Obama Doctrine
Rarely has a U.S. president been so wrong about so much at the expense of so many.

The oaf, who’s chief, is out with Wintour, the cow of Vogue.

He has his priorities.

Today he honored the illegal alien teens as “you are the the true freedom fighters”. I hope he gets his karma too, and he will. I think he has AIDS.

Schadenfreude on June 17, 2014 at 11:12 PM

non-nonpartisan on June 17, 2014 at 11:02 PM

Drupal has ACLs. It can have public and private areas. I need to get a personal site set up this month. I will set up a small demo on it.

gh on June 17, 2014 at 11:13 PM

Koch:

Life.

Get one.

CW on June 17, 2014 at 11:11 PM

i already have one..and no you may not borrow it.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on June 17, 2014 at 11:13 PM

I wouldn’t mind knowing the substance of the comments which led to the latest banning.

Bishop on June 17, 2014 at 11:13 PM

It can’t be good for business if everybody leaves.

crankyoldlady on June 17, 2014 at 11:13 PM

Kiss of Death – Tinsley Ellis

thatsafactjack on June 17, 2014 at 11:14 PM

Too many that we care about are dropping like flies…

OmahaConservative on June 17, 2014 at 10:59 PM

As do the dropping numbers of posts per given thread.

Not exactly a healthy business model to decrease the traffic. For example, Sparky and SWalker, now gone, who added much to the late night comment traffic which is considerably reduced by the commentary and page reloads that generated.

Not that long ago I would check here more often to see what the latest conversation was about. Now with less conversation (and fewer left for conversation) there’s less new to check on. Not that many 2000 or 4000 post threads happening anymore.

viking01 on June 17, 2014 at 11:14 PM

cabra viejo on June 17, 2014 at 11:04 PM

NO she can not. She is not welcome.

Barred on June 17, 2014 at 11:14 PM

Haven’t heard the Grateful Dead in a long time.

cat_owner on June 17, 2014 at 11:09 PM

I try to listen to them every day, as I do with Bob Dylan…

JohnGalt23 on June 17, 2014 at 11:14 PM

It’s more important than the Middle East because it’s on our border. Our real enemy is the enemy within. I think some can’t see it yet.

crankyoldlady on June 17, 2014 at 11:05 PM

I totally agree. That’s why I don’t get why it’s not the main story on most sites.

I get why the Obama media is ignoring it. But even CNN was starting to cover it, until Iraq blew up.

cat_owner on June 17, 2014 at 11:15 PM

Bishop on June 17, 2014 at 11:13 PM

It was a comment that KOOL made in the Gulch regarding the hagfish. KOOL was banned, quietly, and the Gulch was closed down.

thatsafactjack on June 17, 2014 at 11:15 PM

thatsafactjack on June 17, 2014 at 11:10 PM

I’ve been there before, even commented some believe it or not since I don’t usually say much here.

Fred

jrsrigmvr on June 17, 2014 at 11:15 PM

As a heart attack. Real trolls must be invited. Who is Del going to grade? Who is anybody going to call “perfessor”? I will leave it up to the owner whether or not to allow Lourdes or Joana. But the others who are here as disruptors like BG, cr and this jagoff KochForBrains, no. Keep them out.

Judge_Dredd on June 17, 2014 at 11:09 PM

Why “must” they? Trolls and those who want to coexist and argue with them can already do that here. I am talking about a place away from the bullsh!t. HA kind of took that away by shutting down the Gulch. If a new one starts, it’s probably only a matter of time before dopes start sliming there, too.

non-nonpartisan on June 17, 2014 at 11:15 PM

To answer my own question, ‘I am the voice crying in the wilderness. Make straight the path of the Lord’. They believed that. Nowadays, not so much.

DemetriusPhalerum on June 17, 2014 at 11:16 PM

OmahaConservative on June 17, 2014 at 11:08 PM

My son’s trip to the vast European graveyard has really thrown me.
I’m determined to be around a thriving Jewish community. There are no Jews here. There IS a visible muzzie community.

My husband can’t move because of his job.

Tepid Air is nothing.

annoyinglittletwerp on June 17, 2014 at 11:16 PM

And he’s still got over two years to go.

cat_owner on June 17, 2014 at 11:12 PM

I’m really worried their wont be enough left to put back together.

V7_Sport on June 17, 2014 at 11:16 PM

Dan Fogelberg – Rhythm of the Rain

lineholder on June 17, 2014 at 11:17 PM

Some of us are thinking of moving on. I hope you’ll come to RWM’s place and Sketchbook, and Wilderness of Mirrors, too.

thatsafactjack on June 17, 2014 at 11:10 PM

Links anyone?

crankyoldlady on June 17, 2014 at 11:17 PM

It can’t be good for business if everybody leaves.

crankyoldlady on June 17, 2014 at 11:13 PM

As do the dropping numbers of posts per given thread.

Not exactly a healthy business model to decrease the traffic.

viking01 on June 17, 2014 at 11:14 PM

comments do not equal page views. you really think the people running the show care about comment totals any where near as much as they do about unique visitors?

the commentors here sure do have an inflated sense of their value.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on June 17, 2014 at 11:17 PM

Today he honored the illegal alien teens as “you are the the true freedom fighters”. I hope he gets his karma too, and he will. I think he has AIDS.

Schadenfreude on June 17, 2014 at 11:12 PM

Ugh, that made me furious, enough that Dave the Dog actually slunk out the door and made a break for it.

The language that ahole uses, while American men and women are being blown to bits out there in Shitholeland, while our soldiers are fighting off the world’s premier savages to try and bring freedom to an ungrateful people, Dog Eater brings in a bunch of illegals and says THAT?

Bishop on June 17, 2014 at 11:17 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on June 17, 2014 at 11:16 PM

I posted 3 articles on anti-semitism in Europe tonight. You might be interested.

Resist We Much on June 17, 2014 at 11:17 PM

I’m determined to be around a thriving Jewish community. There are no Jews here.

annoyinglittletwerp on June 17, 2014 at 11:16 PM

Well, there’s always New York City…

JohnGalt23 on June 17, 2014 at 11:17 PM

jrsrigmvr on June 17, 2014 at 11:15 PM

Perhaps I’ll see you there, Cowboy. :)

thatsafactjack on June 17, 2014 at 11:17 PM

viking01 on June 17, 2014 at 11:14 PM

I’ve really noticed a big drop in the number of comments on most threads. It’s summer time, so I would expect it to be somewhat less. But in many cases it seems to be a huge drop. Some posts barely get 50 comments.

I still think the best bloggers are here though. Breitbart by far covers the most stories though, but then they seem to have a lot more writers.

cat_owner on June 17, 2014 at 11:18 PM

I’ve been better, Fred. We’ve lost some good people here lately…

Some of us are thinking of moving on. I hope you’ll come to RWM’s place and Sketchbook, and Wilderness of Mirrors, too.

thatsafactjack on June 17, 2014 at 11:10 PM

Evening and thanks for the wonderful classical music.

Look at it this way, the lesser time spent here, the more I’ll hurt them where they really hurt. They are really not very smart.

Schadenfreude on June 17, 2014 at 11:18 PM

It was a comment that KOOL made in the Gulch regarding the hagfish. KOOL was banned, quietly, and the Gulch was closed down.

thatsafactjack on June 17, 2014 at 11:15 PM

so he ruined it for the rest of you?

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on June 17, 2014 at 11:18 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on June 17, 2014 at 11:16 PM

My daughter is jewish. Converted last year married in January …

gh on June 17, 2014 at 11:19 PM

It was a comment that KOOL made in the Gulch regarding the hagfish. KOOL was banned, quietly, and the Gulch was closed down.

thatsafactjack on June 17, 2014 at 11:15 PM

I never knew the location of the Gulch but now that you mentioned HotGas shutting it down I can surmise.

Any answer as to why they did it, just because of one errant commenter?

Bishop on June 17, 2014 at 11:20 PM

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on June 17, 2014 at 11:17 PM

Well that’s true, it does depend on page views, not number of comments. I just think if there are fewer comments that means less readers.

Not necessarily so.

cat_owner on June 17, 2014 at 11:20 PM

I posted 3 articles on anti-semitism in Europe tonight. You might be interested.

Resist We Much on June 17, 2014 at 11:17 PM

all three in their entirety and not one with a link to the original..tsk tsk..

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on June 17, 2014 at 11:20 PM

JohnGalt23 on June 17, 2014 at 11:17 PM

Next Year in Jerusalem…

annoyinglittletwerp on June 17, 2014 at 11:21 PM

Don’t do it darlin’ Otherwise they win… OmahaConservative on June 17, 2014 at 11:08 PM

If she does, or you do, or I do,, make sure you give her my email. Or however it works out.

We meet somewhere else.

I suggest Sophies place.

wolly4321 on June 17, 2014 at 11:21 PM

Ugh, that made me furious, enough that Dave the Dog actually slunk out the door and made a break for it.

The language that ahole uses, while American men and women are being blown to bits out there in Shitholeland, while our soldiers are fighting off the world’s premier savages to try and bring freedom to an ungrateful people, Dog Eater brings in a bunch of illegals and says THAT?

Bishop on June 17, 2014 at 11:17 PM

Cities have begun to fight back and not take any in, as he ordered them to do. This will not lead to any good, not for any party. I hope the R/Ds both get what they have coming. Terrorists come through that open border. Now the ISIS have visas and passports for just about any land they want to blow up.

Schadenfreude on June 17, 2014 at 11:22 PM

the commentors here sure do have an inflated sense of their value.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on June 17, 2014 at 11:17 PM

Pot…meet kettle. BrainlessOnDope..GFY

msupertas on June 17, 2014 at 11:22 PM

Next Year in Jerusalem…

annoyinglittletwerp on June 17, 2014 at 11:21 PM

Please, Jerusalem. Israeli Jews may be tougher, better at defending the tribe.

But they don’t know from a good knish…!!

JohnGalt23 on June 17, 2014 at 11:22 PM

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on June 17, 2014 at 11:20 PM

I’ve probably read them-since my Jewish-looking son is in Berlin right now.

annoyinglittletwerp on June 17, 2014 at 11:22 PM

Any answer as to why they did it, just because of one errant commenter?

Bishop on June 17, 2014 at 11:20 PM

No. They received biatching e-mails from the hags.

Schadenfreude on June 17, 2014 at 11:23 PM

Dog Eater brings in a bunch of illegals and says THAT?

Bishop on June 17, 2014 at 11:17 PM

I think this is one of his crowning achievements,
he stopped the rise of the oceans,
healed the planet,
healed every sick person in the world,
set up the caliphate on Islamic lands,
established the azatlan on meheecano land , since US stole that land remember ?
All that is left for him to do is to start killing Jews and Christians here and then he is god.

burrata on June 17, 2014 at 11:23 PM

The Gill-Free Gulch

Galt’s Gulch.

Here’s a couple for you COL.

Barred on June 17, 2014 at 11:23 PM

Hell to Earth. Hell to Earth. Can you read me?

faraway on June 17, 2014 at 11:24 PM

gh on June 17, 2014 at 11:19 PM

My mother’s paternal grandmother was a convert. The female line-Judaism is passed on through the mother-is 100% Jewish.

annoyinglittletwerp on June 17, 2014 at 11:24 PM

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