IRS regulations require e-mails that are “federal records” to be stored in separate, permanent system

posted at 4:41 pm on June 17, 2014 by Allahpundit

A little something extra on The Mysterious Case of Lois Lerner’s Hard Drive. There seem to be two different IRS regs governing e-mails. The Daily Caller already flagged one of them, “Emails as Possible Federal Records,” section 1.10.3.2.3. Subsection 3 states in part:

If you create or receive email messages during the course of your daily work, you are responsible for ensuring that you manage them properly. The Treasury Department’s current email policy requires emails and attachments that meet the definition of a federal record be added to the organization’s files by printing them (including the essential transmission data) and filing them with related paper records. If transmission and receipt data are not printed by the email system, annotate the paper copy.

If your e-mail’s a federal record, you’re supposed to print it and add it to the file. What’s a “federal record”? The same section defines it, and does so broadly: Any e-mail “created or received in the transaction of agency business” qualifies, which means, in theory, any message sent or received by Lois Lerner about scrutinizing tea-party groups should have been printed by her at some point and the hard copy sent for storage in the relevant file. Think she bothered to do that?

But wait. Morgen Richmond tweeted to me that there’s another section of IRS regulations that’s relevant, “Standards for Managing Electronic Mail Records,” section 1.15.6.6. Why this section is necessary when the one above already makes clear that “federal records” must be printed, I’m not sure. Here’s the key bit, though:

IRS offices will not store the official recordkeeping copy of e-mail messages that are federal records ONLY on the electronic mail system, unless the system has all of the features of an electronic recordkeeping system, some of which are specified in paragraph 2 above. If the electronic mail system is not designed to be a recordkeeping system, ask an E-Mail/System Administrator to instruct you on how to copy the information from the electronic mail system to a recordkeeping system or produce a hard copy for recordkeeping purposes.

IRS offices that maintain their e-mail records electronically will move or copy them to a separate electronic recordkeeping system unless their system has the features specified in IRM 1.15.6.6.2 above. Backup tapes are not to be used for recordkeeping purposes.

The boldface there actually appears in the regs themselves, apparently to stress that e-mails that qualify as “federal records” must be copied and preserved in a separate system. The fear, obviously, is that if the only copy is the e-mail itself, it might end up being deleted (accidentally or deliberately). In order to preserve it permanently, an extra copy needs to be made and sent to the permanent digital record repository. How that squares with the regs about printing a hard copy, I’m not sure. Do you print a copy, send that to the file, and send an electronic copy to the digital records file, or does doing one or the other suffice? It’s unclear, but what is clear is that, according to the agency’s own regulations, it’s important to make sure that business e-mails are preserved somewhere outside the normal e-mail channels.

Which brings us to this passage from the letter the IRS sent to Congress last week about why they lost Lerner’s e-mails. Read pages 2-3. Money quote:

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Why would an agency that emphasizes redundancy in record-keeping rely on a process this half-assed? Not only is there no automatic permanent storage of all e-mail, the simple act of archiving a message would remove it from the IRS’s system entirely, including the “back-up system” that preserves messages for six months before deleting them. That’s a ridiculously decentralized system for an age when storage is cheaper than it’s ever been. In fact, the former IRS IT expert whom Bryan Preston interviewed claimed that the IRS has plenty of “back-up tapes” that could be used to preserve e-mails for much longer than six months if need be. What you’ve got here, in other words, is an agency stressing record-keeping in its own regulations and then doing everything it can to undermine that redundancy, first by trusting employees to diligently file “federal records” that might incriminate them and then allowing them to remove evidence from the system altogether, which naturally led to a spate of mysterious “computer crashes” in this case. It’s goofy. But it sure came in handy, didn’t it?

Exit question: Where are the hard copies of the e-mails that Lerner and her colleagues were required to print of their official communications?


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Does this government EVER follow its own regulations?

hawkeye54 on June 17, 2014 at 4:43 PM

America is gone. The press will smile and giggle at this, make tiresome jokes.

clnurnberg on June 17, 2014 at 4:44 PM

That is unless Elijah Cummings’ name is all over them.

CurtZHP on June 17, 2014 at 4:44 PM

This leads right to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. No other reasonable explanation.

Del Dolemonte on June 17, 2014 at 4:44 PM

There seem to be two different IRS regs governing e-mails.

Yes, one for Republicans and one for Democrats.

conservative pilgrim on June 17, 2014 at 4:44 PM

There seem to be two different IRS regs governing e-mails.

Yes, one for Republicans and one for Democrats.

conservative pilgrim on June 17, 2014 at 4:44 PM

Also different ones for our political and economic betters and one for the rest of us.

hawkeye54 on June 17, 2014 at 4:46 PM

This hand-wringing is silly. They’re stonewalling and lying. The evidence is obviously damning or they wouldn’t resort to these shenanigans.

conservative pilgrim on June 17, 2014 at 4:46 PM

Where are the hard copies of the e-mails that Lerner and her colleagues were required to print of their official communications?

The dog ate those too. Then Obama ate the dog.

myiq2xu on June 17, 2014 at 4:47 PM

What is the point?

The GOP is weak and afraid.

The Atty General will not appoint a Special Prosecutor.

Obama will shred everything before he leaves.

Nothing will happen, except that our side will get more crazy, and it will play right into Obama’s hands.

faraway on June 17, 2014 at 4:47 PM

These are the kind of lies you tell those who you believe do not deserve the truth.

oscarwilde on June 17, 2014 at 4:47 PM

Also different ones for our political and economic betters and one for the rest of us.

hawkeye54 on June 17, 2014 at 4:46 PM

Cronyism at its finest. *sigh*

conservative pilgrim on June 17, 2014 at 4:47 PM

HotAir now using the IRS system for the headline HA threads – “page not available”.

dentarthurdent on June 17, 2014 at 4:47 PM

Silly Rabbit ….

Those regulations only apply when Republicans are in charge, because, you know, they’d totally destroy things to cover up their misdeeds.

There’s no need for Democrats to keep such records because we all know they’re the party of sweetness & light, always doing good things for good reasons and all that …..

BD57 on June 17, 2014 at 4:48 PM

HotAir now using the IRS system for the headline HA threads – “page not available”.

dentarthurdent on June 17, 2014 at 4:47 PM

haha. And I thought it was my computer acting weird.

conservative pilgrim on June 17, 2014 at 4:48 PM

The evidence is obviously damning or they wouldn’t resort to these shenanigans.

conservative pilgrim on June 17, 2014 at 4:46 PM

Maybe not. It sounds like the faked birth certificate all over again.

Just gets our side worked up until we come off as nuts.

faraway on June 17, 2014 at 4:48 PM

This leads right to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. No other reasonable explanation.

Del Dolemonte on June 17, 2014 at 4:44 PM

I agree. Obama would certainly throw somebody under the bus unless the coverup led directly to him.

ReaganWasRight on June 17, 2014 at 4:48 PM

Which brings us to this passage from the letter the IRS sent to Congress last week about why they lost Lerner’s e-mails. Read pages 2-3. Money quote:
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Well isn’t that, special, er, convenient!!

It seems/appears the Dems always have an angle!

canopfor on June 17, 2014 at 4:48 PM

Exit question: Where are the hard copies of the e-mails that Lerner and her colleagues were required to print of their official communications?

Shredder

But all e-mails are at the server too, in the least. They are also at the NSA.

Schadenfreude on June 17, 2014 at 4:48 PM

******* DontDoStupidSh*t ***************************!!

canopfor on June 17, 2014 at 4:49 PM

Remember why Nixon resigned…IRS…threats of opposition…he’d have gone to the slammer for it, were it not for Ford’s pardon..

This is way serious.

Schadenfreude on June 17, 2014 at 4:49 PM

And they’re in charge of obozocare.

Flange on June 17, 2014 at 4:49 PM

Exit question: Where are the hard copies of the e-mails that Lerner and her colleagues were required to print of their official communications What happens to me if I am audited and I claim my records aren’t available due to a hard drive crash, despite IRS regulations about my record keeping?

FIFY

ladyingray on June 17, 2014 at 4:50 PM

Maybe not. It sounds like the faked birth certificate all over again.

Just gets our side worked up until we come off as nuts.

faraway on June 17, 2014 at 4:48 PM

Tell that to the groups who were being harassed and censored.

conservative pilgrim on June 17, 2014 at 4:50 PM

HotAir now using the IRS system for the headline HA threads – “page not available”.

dentarthurdent on June 17, 2014 at 4:47 PM

haha. And I thought it was my computer acting weird.

conservative pilgrim on June 17, 2014 at 4:48 PM

What did Bishop break this time??

CurtZHP on June 17, 2014 at 4:50 PM

And they’re in charge of obozocare.

Flange on June 17, 2014 at 4:49 PM


Happening

Schadenfreude on June 17, 2014 at 4:50 PM

Hey HotAir – Headline threads all showing “HTTP 500 – Internal Server Error”.
Time to fire your IRS and 0care programmers…..

dentarthurdent on June 17, 2014 at 4:50 PM

I know this is all necessary but I am eager to see Congress start deposing IT professional staff from the IRS, and get to the bottom of this stupidity.

And, please, can we move to a select committee, and have someone other than Darrell Issa as chair? He’s just so pompous and self important, not to mention completely ineffective, so dropping him would be itself a big uptick.

MTF on June 17, 2014 at 4:51 PM

faraway on June 17, 2014 at 4:48 PM

Tell that to the groups who were being harassed and censored.

conservative pilgrim on June 17, 2014 at 4:50 PM

Now, now. Mustn’t vindicate the Tea Party. That might make Chrissy Tingles say mean things about us.

CurtZHP on June 17, 2014 at 4:52 PM

Tell that to the groups who were being harassed and censored.

conservative pilgrim on June 17, 2014 at 4:50 PM

I’m referring to the ‘lost emails’. As you well knew.

faraway on June 17, 2014 at 4:52 PM

And, please, can we move to a select committee, and have someone other than Darrell Issa as chair? He’s just so … completely ineffective, so dropping him would be itself a big uptick.

MTF on June 17, 2014 at 4:51 PM

Mostly this.

conservative pilgrim on June 17, 2014 at 4:52 PM

Exit question: Where are the hard copies of the e-mails that Lerner and her colleagues were required to print of their official communications?

There aren’t any. These crazy regs make losing entire communication streams easier than keeping them. For corrupt politicians and their agency fellow-conspirators, that’s not a bug, it’s a feature.

ROCnPhilly on June 17, 2014 at 4:53 PM

What is the point?

The GOP is weak and afraid.

faraway on June 17, 2014 at 4:47 PM

faraway: Could be:)
====================

https://twitter.com/ChadPergram

Chad Pergram @ChadPergram · 5h

Hoyer on GOP after Cantor: I still think the party suffers from real divisions and will be skittish.

canopfor on June 17, 2014 at 4:53 PM

The federal system must be brought down……

redguy on June 17, 2014 at 4:55 PM

Happening

Schadenfreude on June 17, 2014 at 4:50 PM

I saw that. I guess it’s a start, but sure would like them to do more.

Flange on June 17, 2014 at 4:55 PM

We aren’t talking about hard drives crashing, we’re talking about hard drives crashing beyond the point where federal investigators are unable to use forensic techniques to recover the drive. Seldom does one hard drive get to this state, let alone 6 others….. unless a hammer was involved.

chuckfinlay on June 17, 2014 at 4:56 PM

Maybe not. It sounds like the faked birth certificate all over again.

Just gets our side worked up until we come off as nuts.

faraway on June 17, 2014 at 4:48 PM

Anyone who believes what the IRS is saying is nutz. This reeks of a coverup. We can speculate as to what exactly they’re hiding(it almost certainly has to be something that implicates members of Congress and/or the Obama regime), but don’t tell me those e-mails were coincidentally lost for all of these IRS employees who happen to be under investigation.

Doughboy on June 17, 2014 at 4:57 PM

The fear, obviously, is that if the only copy is the e-mail itself, it might end up being deleted (accidentally or deliberately).

I find it quaint that IRS believes in relying on the individual to follow these rules will result in the wholesale elimination of the possibility of accidental and, especially, deliberate deletion.

Dusty on June 17, 2014 at 4:58 PM

Exit question: Where are the hard copies of the e-mails that Lerner and her colleagues were required to print of their official communications?

They were lost when the truck transporting them to the House crashed and burned.

kcewa on June 17, 2014 at 5:00 PM

Silly Rabbit ….

Those regulations only apply when Republicans are in charge, because, you know, they’d totally destroy things to cover up their misdeeds.

There’s no need for Democrats to keep such records because we all know they’re the party of sweetness & light, always doing good things for good reasons and all that …..

BD57 on June 17, 2014 at 4:48 PM

You nailed the low-fo mindset. It’s a simplistic mindset for a simplistic life.

brentspolemics on June 17, 2014 at 5:01 PM

HotAir now using the IRS system for the headline HA threads – “page not available”. – dentarthurdent on June 17, 2014 at 4:47 PM

I thought it was my computer too. My guess is that the IRS is conducting a cyberattack on HotAir.

SC.Charlie on June 17, 2014 at 5:03 PM

dear IRS, I ran out of paper and can no longer keep records as per the Lerner rule you know “sometimes things happen”.

tim c on June 17, 2014 at 5:03 PM

I’m referring to the ‘lost emails’. As you well knew.

faraway on June 17, 2014 at 4:52 PM

Really? I don’t see how we look “nuts” because they “lost emails” that are apart of a Congressional investigation. Sure, the Democrats can twist this scenario to their advantage with lies and distortions, which they generally do, and may win the PR campaign. Who knows. I have confidence in the Republicans to mess this investigation up, too.

On the merits of the case, those who are wondering how the IRS could lose all the emails specifically associated with the Tea Party ask legitimate questions. The adage “the cover-up is worse than the crime” fits here.

conservative pilgrim on June 17, 2014 at 5:04 PM

I can hardly wait until all of our medical records are stored on IRS computers….

/sarc>

landlines on June 17, 2014 at 5:04 PM

Why would the email system be limited to 500 Meg if the emails are stored on the employee’s hard drive? And, if the emails are not stored on the hard drive, then why would a hard drive crass cause the emails to be lost?

blink on June 17, 2014 at 4:50 PM

The mailbox limit is 500MB on the server, not on the local hard drive. Exchange will automatically keep emails on the server, up to a slightly beyond the limit. But once your mailbox is almost full, you’ve got to archive them using your mail client. Outlook does this, using a file that can be on your local computer or on a network storage space. If kept on the local computer, the archive is indeed vulnerable to corruption or a hard drive crash, and few end-user workstations have redundant drive space.

In my company, I have 1.7GB of mailbox space, and I’m not supposed to retain emails that don’t fit in that space. But since that’s only about 3 months worth of email for me, and because I can’t afford to lose my historical archives, I use a third-party application (MailStore) to archive my emails locally. Policy has the Outlook-based archiving locked out, so I can’t use that. Until recently, we were allowed only 500MB, but we were allowed to archive.

Immolate on June 17, 2014 at 5:04 PM

Has everyone noticed that Elijah Cummings has not made any statement so far on this case of the missing emails, yet? Whatever he is says will be interesting and probably dumb.

SC.Charlie on June 17, 2014 at 5:06 PM

Exit question: Where are the hard copies of the e-mails that Lerner and her colleagues were required to print of their official communications?

Shredder

But all e-mails are at the server too, in the least. They are also at the NSA.

Schadenfreude on June 17, 2014 at 4:48 PM

Not to mention all recipients of those emails.

redzap on June 17, 2014 at 5:07 PM

If my company fails to follow record-keeping regulations, somebody is probably going to go to federal prison.

But not these government clowns.

s1im on June 17, 2014 at 5:08 PM

So can we all use those excuses when the IRS comes for an audit…?

albill on June 17, 2014 at 5:08 PM

dear IRS, I ran out of paper and can no longer keep records as per the Lerner rule you know “sometimes things happen”. – tim c on June 17, 2014 at 5:03 PM

It used to be called the Timothy Geithner rule.

SC.Charlie on June 17, 2014 at 5:09 PM

Has everyone noticed that Elijah Cummings has not made any statement so far on this case of the missing emails, yet? Whatever he is says will be interesting and probably dumb.

SC.Charlie on June 17, 2014 at 5:06 PM

He’s not saying anything because his name is on half of them.

That and he’s still trying to figure out how to suggest with a straight face that email is racist.

CurtZHP on June 17, 2014 at 5:09 PM

Harry Reid to have a big one.

Not to mention all recipients of those emails.

redzap on June 17, 2014 at 5:07 PM

Indeed, and at the mirrored system.

Schadenfreude on June 17, 2014 at 5:09 PM

It was illegal for Lois Learner to send info about anyone’s taxes to outside of the IRS. Focus, focus, focus.

Schadenfreude on June 17, 2014 at 5:10 PM

The problem is that a committee chair in the House has negligible power. What powers does he have that you think he is failing to use?

blink on June 17, 2014 at 4:56 PM

What scandal are we on? I forget. What has Issa done with any of them? *crickets*
PR and messaging has A LOT to do with effectiveness. Give it to the Democrats, they know how to do PR and get their message out. Republicans fail miserably.

Take for example, when Cummings completely hijacked the recent IRS hearing and (obviously) caught Issa off guard. Issa did nothing and let Cummings control the hearing and message.

I expect results, and see nothing from what Issa has done with any of these special investigations.

conservative pilgrim on June 17, 2014 at 5:10 PM

Don’t get into the weeds with retention and storage and a lot of technical BS. It may be 100% true but it’s beside the point.

This is a stupid, laughable excuse and everyone knows it, even their own water carriers. Dig in and ridicule their idiocy and mendacity for even trying to float it.

Missy on June 17, 2014 at 5:10 PM

and at the mirrored system.

Schadenfreude on June 17, 2014 at 5:09 PM

Mirrored systems and RAID are not long-term backup systems.

faraway on June 17, 2014 at 5:10 PM

All other government servers need to be searched for e-mails to and from Lois Lerner and the other corrupt thugs at the IRS. In particular the White House, Senate and House. I want to see the hit lists that were sent to Lerner.

forest on June 17, 2014 at 5:11 PM

It was illegal for Lois Learner to send info about anyone’s taxes to outside of the IRS. Focus, focus, focus.

Schadenfreude on June 17, 2014 at 5:10 PM

Exactly. They are trying to distract you.

Missy on June 17, 2014 at 5:11 PM

Has everyone noticed that Elijah Cummings has not made any statement so far on this case of the missing emails, yet? Whatever he is says will be interesting and probably dumb. – SC.Charlie on June 17, 2014 at 5:06 PM

He’s not saying anything because his name is on half of them.

That and he’s still trying to figure out how to suggest with a straight face that email is racist. – CurtZHP on June 17, 2014 at 5:09 PM

Email are racist. The paper is white and the words are in black. LOL

SC.Charlie on June 17, 2014 at 5:11 PM

This Regime is incapable of telling the truth, about anything. Every single statement and number from this bunch, since day 1 back in 2008 has been nothing but one lie after another.

And 39% of America likes it.

This nation is doomed.

Meople on June 17, 2014 at 5:12 PM

[faraway on June 17, 2014 at 4:48 PM]

One might get away with not being judged to have committed a crime of obstruction or lying to a Congressional committee, if one plants a question in the public square and answers it with a lie, as Lerner did. But to send letters to committees or members thereof, specifically responding to request and lying about the things is and those who do so should be held to account for the lies.

The game Obama played with his birth certificate is not even a proper comparison on this issue.

Dusty on June 17, 2014 at 5:12 PM

The consequences of failing to keep records according to law and IRS regulations are far less than the consequences of a criminal conspiracy to violate federal law and the constitutional rights of American citizens.

Not a hard choice at all. Someone involved with half a brain warns the rest they are, you know, committing federal felonies and the evidence is in the emails.

So they had “accidents”. Seven of them, at current count.

novaculus on June 17, 2014 at 5:12 PM

This leads right to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. No other reasonable explanation.

Del Dolemonte on June 17, 2014 at 4:44 PM

It probably also leads to the offices of Cummings, Carl Levin and Al Franken, among others. Which is why the subpoenas have to fly everywhere. Obama will claim executive privilege and then it goes to the DC Circuit. If there’s a John Sirica there, we’ll get resolution. If not, game over.

One way or another, we need to know if the game is over. We all have our suspicions, but we need to know for sure.

Mr. D on June 17, 2014 at 5:13 PM

If my company fails to follow record-keeping regulations, somebody is probably going to go to federal prison.

But not these government clowns.

s1im on June 17, 2014 at 5:08 PM

Exactly. The media grade the Obama Administration on a steep curve.

What would happen if us plebs used this excuse reason if we’re audited?

conservative pilgrim on June 17, 2014 at 5:13 PM

These are the kind of lies you tell those who you believe do not deserve the truth.

oscarwilde on June 17, 2014 at 4:47 PM

Apparently they are living by the adage: Excuses, your friends don’t need them and your enemies won’t believe them.

So they are required to come up with an excuse and they just say anything to fill up space to ultimately the same effect. Telling the truth would be tantamount to a full confession of guilt.

OTOH, I have learned that people want to be lied to but don’t want to know that they are being lied to.

Reuben Hick on June 17, 2014 at 5:14 PM

I expect results, and see nothing from what Issa has done with any of these special investigations.

conservative pilgrim on June 17, 2014 at 5:10 PM

Issa can only do so much without a Special Prosecutor. Holder will never appoint one.

So we are left to twist in the wind, and go crazy. It’s a great plan by Obama. The US Atty General loophole is a major flaw in our system.

The media ordinarily would take up the slack in this, but they are cultists and will never turn on their leader.

So, here we are. The lawlessness will not stop until 2016.

faraway on June 17, 2014 at 5:14 PM

MeanWhile,……………………..:

Mark Knoller @markknoller · 49s

Pres Obama now at first of 3 Dem fundraisers in NYC: an event for the Senate Majority Pac. No press coverage.

canopfor on June 17, 2014 at 5:15 PM

canopfor on June 17, 2014 at 5:15 PM

All of this blather about this and that nonsense. There are two SIMPLE and FUNDAMENTAL truths here:

* The IRS has somehow managed to ‘lose’ data related to potential (likely) criminal actions.

AND

* Nobody is, or will be, held accountable.

The excuses, technical details, fine print, etc. are just a gigantic deluge of SPAM meant to sap the will of the average American to even care about it. They should care, as should our political ‘leaders,’ but they don’t.

xNavigator on June 17, 2014 at 5:16 PM

OT – why the bastard and hypocrite

Send him packing.

Schadenfreude on June 17, 2014 at 5:16 PM

And all seven failures are for people involved in the investigation, incredible.

Bishop on June 17, 2014 at 5:17 PM

This Regime is incapable of telling the truth, about anything. Every single statement and number from this bunch, since day 1 back in 2008 has been nothing but one lie after another.

And 39% of America likes it.

This nation is doomed. – Meople on June 17, 2014 at 5:12 PM

Sadly, 39% of people would vote for anyone who is a Democrat for president.

SC.Charlie on June 17, 2014 at 5:18 PM

There’s a Pulitzer just hanging there, like a ripe pear, just waiting to be plucked.

Bishop on June 17, 2014 at 5:19 PM

Where are the hard copies of the e-mails that Lerner and her colleagues were required to print of their official communications?

Ever hear of an electronic device called SHREDDER?

GarandFan on June 17, 2014 at 5:19 PM

So, here we are. The lawlessness will not stop until 2016.

faraway on June 17, 2014 at 5:14 PM

True.
We have a rogue, lawless government that nobody is willing to do anything about.
But given their lawlessness, and ability to get away with everything criminal they do, do you really believe we’ll be able to toss them out in 2016?
They now know they can cheat any way they want to “win” the elections, and they know they can get away with it.

dentarthurdent on June 17, 2014 at 5:19 PM

OT – looks like Justina Pelletier is finally going home to her parents. Thank God.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2014/06/17/judge-orders-custody-justina-pelletier-returned-parents/mDWtuGURNawSuObO0pDX4J/story.html

Globe servers seem to be struggling with all the hits, so the story might not load…

Missy on June 17, 2014 at 5:20 PM

I hope someone has a large supply of handcuffs … if the perps were members of the Stupid Party the FBI/DOJ would have started applying them MONTHS ago.

Missilengr on June 17, 2014 at 5:23 PM

BREAKING!

Lois Lerners’ emails have been located. They were mistakenly shipped to the UPS office in Mosul, which burned to the ground last week.

BobMbx on June 17, 2014 at 5:23 PM

Exit question: Where are the hard copies of the e-mails that Lerner and her colleagues were required to print of their official communications?

You wanna take that one Killery ? You have done this before haventya ?

burrata on June 17, 2014 at 5:23 PM

And all seven failures are for people involved in the investigation, incredible.

Bishop on June 17, 2014 at 5:17 PM

Out of 93,000 + employees.
What are the odds? (rhetorical)

dentarthurdent on June 17, 2014 at 5:24 PM

Call me jaded, but these emails still exist. All this is a delay tactic that will buy a few more months of delay. The hope is to get the Obama administration past this years elections and well into ’15. That way it makes impeachment politically difficult with Obama down to less than 2 years.

Tater Salad on June 17, 2014 at 5:24 PM

Exit question: Where are the hard copies of the e-mails that Lerner and her colleagues were required to print of their official communications?

You wanna take that one Killery ? You have done this before haventya ?

burrata on June 17, 2014 at 5:23 PM

Has anyone checked the basement closet at the Rose Law Firm?

dentarthurdent on June 17, 2014 at 5:25 PM

There’s a Pulitzer just hanging there, like a ripe pear, just waiting to be plucked.

Bishop on June 17, 2014 at 5:19 PM

The presstitutes just want to run their mouths for a while and move on to critiquing the GOP. The crap about believing in tooth fairies is ridiculous coming from the profession who gave us the Great Pumpkin, 0bama

clnurnberg on June 17, 2014 at 5:27 PM

But given their lawlessness, and ability to get away with everything criminal they do, do you really believe we’ll be able to toss them out in 2016?

dentarthurdent on June 17, 2014 at 5:19 PM

They had better believe it. This is America and we don’t do dictators for more than eight years.

Immolate on June 17, 2014 at 5:27 PM

Pres Obama now at first of 3 Dem fundraisers in NYC: an event for the Senate Majority Pac. No press coverage.

canopfor on June 17, 2014 at 5:15 PM

Oh no, I’m sure thats not true. He’s probably huddled down somewhere with the military brass discussing the otions in Iraq.

jmtham156 on June 17, 2014 at 5:27 PM

OT – looks like Justina Pelletier is finally going home to her parents. Thank God.

Missy on June 17, 2014 at 5:20 PM

ANOTHER set of lawless gubmint officials who should all be in jail for violating that family’s civil rights.

dentarthurdent on June 17, 2014 at 5:27 PM

So, here we are. The lawlessness will not stop until 2016.

faraway on June 17, 2014 at 5:14 PM

I lack your optimism. I don’t see this lawlessness ceasing in 2016.

conservative pilgrim on June 17, 2014 at 5:28 PM

Sure, but which Republicans called for the Bush admin not to store their emails this way again? Or questioned the legality of redundancies?
 
(Thanks again, professor.)

rogerb on June 17, 2014 at 5:28 PM

Seldom does one hard drive get to this state, let alone 6 others….. unless a hammer was involved.

chuckfinlay on June 17, 2014 at 4:56 PM

Too obvious. But a big A$$ed magnet would do the trick, without so much as a fingerprint on the drive.

JusDreamin on June 17, 2014 at 5:30 PM

Oh no, I’m sure thats not true. He’s probably huddled down somewhere with the military brass discussing the otions in Iraq.

jmtham156 on June 17, 2014 at 5:27 PM

That’s the President’s job,
so valery is doing it.

burrata on June 17, 2014 at 5:31 PM

A Tale of Two Scandals

Resist We Much on June 17, 2014 at 4:55 PM

do you think if you put the self-promotional links to your blog in boldface people will be more likely to click on them?

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on June 17, 2014 at 5:31 PM

Exit question: Where are the hard copies of the e-mails that Lerner and her colleagues were required to print of their official communications?

“Blown up, Sir!!!!”

PackerBronco on June 17, 2014 at 5:32 PM

Tater Salad on June 17, 2014 at 5:24 PM

Issa’s already got the emails…now he’s gotta go thru convulsions to get them legally.

gracie on June 17, 2014 at 5:33 PM

They had better believe it. This is America and we don’t do dictators for more than eight years.

Immolate on June 17, 2014 at 5:27 PM

Historically speaking, we have NEVER allowed a lawless dictatorship – but we have one now.
Look at all of the criminal behavior that has happened over the last 5 years and tell me – How many people have gone to jail for it?

It no longer matters how the people actually vote – the published numbers will give the Dems the win – and the media will support whatever the Dems say the results are.
As long as the Dems can get away with this much criminal activity, our system is no longer any more trustworthy than North Korea or Venezuela.

dentarthurdent on June 17, 2014 at 5:34 PM

Not only is there no automatic permanent storage of all e-mail, the simple act of archiving a message would remove it from the IRS’s system entirely, including the “back-up system” that preserves messages for six months before deleting them. That’s a ridiculously decentralized system for an age when storage is cheaper than it’s ever been.


FYI
… this is S.O.P. for most large multi-nationals as a means of limiting liability (i.e. suppressing any documentation of known problems) that might result in massive liability awards from juries.

Except when it is Federal government work, where the firm is required to maintain/archive/validate ALL related email by anyone performing ANY function billed in any manner to the government for at least 7 years …

… or face felony indictment for prima facie fraudulent intent (or why WOULDN”T you have EVERY email?) and potential conspiracy charges against the executives.

PolAgnostic on June 17, 2014 at 5:34 PM

“Blown up, Sir!!!!”

PackerBronco on June 17, 2014 at 5:32 PM

You must be one of Sgt. Hulka’s men.

Flange on June 17, 2014 at 5:35 PM

And the lie said “Credible honest people need not be informed”

So I tucked my camera up under my hat and I went in to ask him why

He said “You look like a fine upstanding young fascist, I think you’ll do”

So I took off my hat, I said “Imagine that. Huh! Me lyin’ for you!”

Whoa-oh-oh

Lie, lie, everywhere a lie
Blockin’ out the scenery, breakin’ my mind
Didn’t do this, didn’t do that, can’t you read the lie?

And the lie said anybody caught tellin’ the truth would be shot on sight

So I jumped on the fence and-a yelled at the house, “Hey! What gives you the right?”

“To put up a lie to keep me out or to keep your lying asses from prosecution”

“If God was here he’d tell you to your face, Man, you’re some kinda sinner”

Lie, lie, everywhere a lie
Blockin’ out the scenery, breakin’ my mind
Didn’t do this, didn’t do that, can’t you read the lie?

Now, hey you, mister, can’t you read?

You’ve got to have a D and lie to get a seat

You can’t even watch, no you can’t eat

You ain’t supposed to be here

The lie said you got to have a membership card to get inside

Ugh!

[Lead Guitar]

And the lie said, “Everybody welcome. Come in, kneel down with your hands out”

But when they passed around the bill at the end of it all, I didn’t have a penny to pay

So I got me a pen and a paper and I made up my own little lie

I said, “Thank you, Obama, for makin’ it so easy to lie my way out. I’m alive and doin’ fine.”

Wooo!

Lie, lie, everywhere a lie
Blockin’ out the scenery, breakin’ my mind
Didn’t do this, didn’t do that, can’t you read the lie?

Lie, lie, everywhere a lie
Lie
Lie, lie

NotCoach on June 17, 2014 at 5:37 PM

Exit question: Where are the hard copies of the e-mails that Lerner and her colleagues were required to print of their official communications?

On Malaysia Airlines flight 370.

dorkintheroad on June 17, 2014 at 5:38 PM

NotCoach on June 17, 2014 at 5:37 PM

LOL. You’ve got waaaay too much free time….

dentarthurdent on June 17, 2014 at 5:39 PM

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