Quotes of the day

posted at 10:41 pm on June 16, 2014 by Allahpundit

An Iranian soldier from Quds Force, the elite overseas branch of Iran’s Revolutionary Guard Corps, was killed in Iraq fighting Sunni extremists, reported news agencies affiliated with Iran’s government on Monday.

Alireza Moshajeri, referred to simply as ‘pasdar’ or ‘fighter,’ marked Iran’s first reported casualty in what is shaping up to be a Sunni-Shiite sectarian war next door, reported the news agencies.

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As life returns to an uneasy version of normal in Mosul, the response from local residents to the city’s capture by ISIS, a radical Islamist group, has been surprisingly positive. Multiple Sunni residents inside Mosul who spoke with The Daily Beast by phone reported being glad to be rid of the predominantly Shia government security forces, and so far pleased with life under the ISIS occupation. That may change soon if ISIS begins to rule with the brutality they have displayed in Syria, but by keeping the residents of Mosul happy for now ISIS is buying time to increase its power and local support, which will make things even harder for the Baghdad government if it tries to take the city back.

In response to the recent news from Mosul, an Iraqi citizen recalled the story of a friend from Diyala Province. “He told me, ‘It was the same for us in 2007. We were very happy when ISIS took over the area and drove the Iraq Army out and at first they behaved very well. It was only after a month that they started killing us.’”…

In the east Mosul neighborhood of Al-Sumer, a call for recruits to support the new rebellion brought hundreds of young men to the streets to sign up. With the vast trove of government arms collected and more recruits joining the ISIS offensive, the Iraqi Army, if it tries to retake the city, may find an even larger and more entrenched force in Mosul than the one that threw them out in the first place.

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In an interview, Qubad Talabani—the Kurdish government’s incoming deputy prime minister and the son of Iraq’s president, Jalal Talabani—said Kurdish leaders do not seek the dissolution of Iraq, but that it’s happening nonetheless.

“Iraq, in a sense, has broken apart from us,” he told The Daily Beast. “Geographically we practically have to cross another country to get to Baghdad. We have to cross through territory that is governed and secured by forces that are not loyal to the federal government in Baghdad.”…

For years, politicians and analysts have warned that Iraq—a country formed in 1920 by the world’s great powers from three distinct ethnic and confessional regions—would eventually break apart.

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The closer ISIS gets to the Iraqi capital, and the sacred Shi’ite shrine of the Mosque of the Golden Dome in the city of Samarra, the more likely Iran will feel that it has no choice but to intervene. Iranians, says Philip Smyth, an expert on Shi’ite militias at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, sees ISIS “as an existential threat to the Shi’ite population of Iraq, and are trying to grab the bull by the horns.” When ISIS’s predecessor, the Islamic State of Iraq, attacked the shrine in 2006 it unleashed a spasm of sectarian violence that resulted in the deaths of tens of thousands of Iraqis of both sects, and left more than four million displaced.

But an Iranian military presence would not only alarm Iraqi Sunnis, it would be a major affront to the U.S.’s Sunni allies in the Gulf, like Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and the United Arab Emirates. “When you start seeing Iranian aircraft, [Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps] forces on the ground, Iranian advisors training the Iraqi military, it could easily devolve into a regional conflagration,” says Smyth. “It’s not like Riyadh wants to back ISIS, but what are they going to do when they see a mobilization like this, and no other outside force to quell it?”…

Iran’s possible role has already evolved beyond Samarra. ISIS must be stopped, says Smyth. The U.S. may not be willing to intervene militarily, but it may not have a choice. The U.S., he says, cannot afford to let Iran take the lead in stopping ISIS. “Both [Iran and ISIS] are bad for American policy and American interests in the region.” Sectarian war, however, will be bad for all concerned.

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Mohamed Elibiary, a controversial figure and member of DHS’s Homeland Security Advisory Council (HSAC), discussed what he described as the “inevitable” return of a Muslim caliphate Friday on Twitter.

“As I’ve said b4 inevitable that ‘Caliphate’ returns,” Elibiary tweeted in response to a question about the terror group Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (also known as ISIS, or the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham), which is currently seeking to overthrow the Iraqi government and instate strict Sharia law in the country.

“Choice only whether we support [European Union] like Muslim Union vision or not,” wrote Elibiary, who has “advised numerous federal, state and local law enforcement organizations on homeland security-related matter,” according to his biography on DHS’s website.

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The extremist groups dominating the fighting are beginning to take their war beyond the two countries that they now freely traverse. In January, ISIS carried out a car-bomb attack in Beirut near the offices of Hezbollah, the Lebanese militant group that has been fighting on behalf of Assad. The Nusra front has also carried out attacks in Lebanon. Meanwhile, the number of Syrian refugees who have fled to that nation exceeds twenty per cent of its population, which is not something that a state as weak and as fractious as Lebanon can be expected to sustain. In Jordan, the presence of half a million Syrian refugees is putting an enormous strain on the fragile monarchy.

The revolutionary government of Iran looms ominously over it all. Iran has been decisive in supporting Assad, and its influence over Maliki, never small, has increased enormously since the departure of the last American forces in Iraq, in December of 2011. During the war, Iranian agents trained, armed, and directed a network of Shiite militias, which killed hundreds of American and British soldiers. Those same militias are evidently being readied to confront the Sunni onslaught in Iraq; thousands of their members have already been fighting for Assad in Syria. Iran’s intervention in Syria has also alarmed Saudi Arabia and Turkey, which have poured in guns and money to help the rebels. It is not difficult to imagine a multinational war, fought along a five-hundred-mile front, and along sectarian lines, waged ultimately for regional supremacy…

Within a day after sweeping into Mosul, ISIS militants freed thousands of prisoners, looted bank vaults, and declared the imposition of Sharia law. From now on, the group said, unaccompanied women were to stay indoors, and thieves would be punished by amputation. The “divine conquest” of Mosul by a group of Islamic extremists is a bitter consequence of the American invasion. For now, there seems to be very little we can do about it.

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What if U.S. troops had remained, with or without protections? Would it have proven decisive in shielding Iraq against the current onslaught? There is little doubt that the presence of American counterterrorism advisers, providing intelligence to assist Iraqi forces in targeting al Qaeda in Iraq (which became the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, or ISIS), would have helped keep pressure on the network. Air support and more robust training assistance would also have improved the capabilities of the Iraqi army – or, at the very least, slowed the degradation of these capabilities. It was precisely for these reasons that Obama was willing to consider leaving some U.S. forces in Iraq.

But the idea that such a force would have completely stopped the jihadists is a fantasy. In 2011, when the Syrian protest movement was only just beginning to morph into a nationwide insurgency, few analysts anticipated the sheer scale of the spillover into neighboring Iraq. The enormous boon this created for ISIS could have overwhelmed Iraqi counterterrorism capabilities even if U.S. advisers had remained.

And, crucially, a hypothetical follow-on force would have done little to ameliorate the political dynamics underlying the current crisis. The litany of Maliki’s failures to accommodate Sunni aspirations is well known: his failure to live up to power-sharing promises made in 2010; his extra-constitutional abuses of power; his persecution of Sunni politicians; his failure to sustain ties with Sunni tribes in western Iraq; his refusal to follow through on commitments to integrate “Awakening” fighters into Iraqi security forces; and his heavy-handed response to Sunni political protests in Anbar province last year.

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It’s widely agreed that the collapse of Iraq would be a disaster for American interests and security in the Middle East and around the world. It also seems to be widely assumed either that there’s nothing we can now do to avert that disaster, or that our best bet is supporting Iran against al Qaeda. Both assumptions are wrong. It would be irresponsible to embrace a premature fatalism with respect to Iraq. And it would be damaging and counterproductive to accept a transformation of our alliances and relationships in the Middle East to the benefit of the regime in Tehran. There is a third alternative…

This would require a willingness to send American forces back to Iraq. It would mean not merely conducting U.S. air strikes, but also accompanying those strikes with special operators, and perhaps regular U.S. military units, on the ground. This is the only chance we have to persuade Iraq’s Sunni Arabs that they have an alternative to joining up with al Qaeda or being at the mercy of government-backed and Iranian-backed death squads, and that we have not thrown in with the Iranians. It is also the only way to regain influence with the Iraqi government and to stabilize the Iraqi Security Forces on terms that would allow us to demand the demobilization of Shi’a militias and to move to limit Iranian influence and to create bargaining chips with Iran to insist on the withdrawal of their forces if and when the situation stabilizes…

Throwing our weight behind Iran in the fight against al Qaeda in Iraq, as some are suggesting, would make things even worse. Conducting U.S. airstrikes without deploying American special operators or other ground forces would in effect make the U.S. Iran’s air force. Such an approach would be extremely shortsighted. The al Qaeda threat in Iraq is great, and the U.S. must take action against it. But backing the Iranians means backing the Shi’a militias that have been the principal drivers of sectarian warfare, to say nothing of turning our backs on the moderates on both sides who are suffering the most. Allowing Iran to in effect extend its border several hundred kilometers to the west with actual troop deployments would be a strategic disaster. In addition, the U.S. would be perceived as becoming the ally of the Islamic Republic of Iran against all of the forces of the Arab and Sunni world, conceding Syria to the Iranian-backed Bashir al-Assad, and accepting the emergence of an Iranian hegemony soon to be backed by nuclear weapons. And at the end of the day, Iran is not going to be able to take over the Sunni areas of Iraq—so we would end up both strengthening Iran and not defeating ISIS.

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We face a simple choice: We can either rejoin our demoralized Iraqi partners in the fight against ISIS or we can watch as this Al Qaeda franchise solidifies its control over several million Iraqis and Syrians, completes its plundering of military bases and continues to build up, train and equip an honest-to-goodness military.

Rejoining the fight means immediately sending air support; intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance assets; air transportation; Special Operations forces; training teams; and more military equipment back into Iraq. It does not mean re-invading Iraq.

Immediately sending air support and Special Forces to Mosul might shock ISIS and embolden the population enough to rout the jihadis from the city. But if it does not, the Iraqi Security Forces may well prove unable to regain Mosul on their own.

In that case, a small contingent of U.S. ground forces would be required.

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Manned airstrikes may be useful against the ISIL lines of communication. But they are of limited use in urban environments. Whatever mix of manned or drone strikes is employed, we and the Iraqis will need good current intelligence. As during the U.S. troop surge in Iraq in 2007, Iraqis will need Americans to help plan and execute those operations. So there may be a need for American intelligence and fire control personnel on the ground. If so, President Obama would be correct to insist that Mr. Maliki quickly sign a Status of Forces agreement to give our military standard immunities that all our overseas forces have…

It is time for both American political parties to cease their ritualistic incantations of “no boots on the ground,” which is not the same as “no combat forces.” Of course Americans are reluctant to re-engage in Iraq. Yet it is President Obama’s unhappy duty to educate them about the risks to our interests posed by the unfolding drama in Iraq.

The crisis in Iraq is a flashing warning light about the dangers of a reductionist national security policy that sends a signal of weakness to friends and enemies abroad. The most immediate crisis is in Mesopotamia. But we can be sure that the Taliban in Afghanistan are watching closely to see if the withdrawal of American forces comes to mean American indifference. Beyond the Hindu Kush, east across the Zagros Mountains and to the north of Iraq, hard-eyed men in Beijing. Tehran and Moscow are also calculating the implications of our handling of this crisis. The stakes could not be higher.

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Despite the absurd arguments from the war-drum crowd that we needed to spend even more time in Iraq, we know that’s not a rational response. The Iraqis are not children, and their factional issues are theirs to deal with, not ours. Additional actions in Iraq not only would cost more money that we really can’t afford, but any sort of military action (even absent ground troops) can risk American lives. The perfectly reasonable resistance to further military action is a reflection of the grasp of sunken costs in Iraq. The trillions of dollars spent in Iraq and the loss of American lives and the permanent injuries so many have suffered didn’t liberate the country. There is no rational reason to believe that additional actions will result in a better outcome.

I can’t even fathom what it must feel like to be in the position of these veterans, to have lost arms, legs and friends in Iraq and to watch what’s happening now. But we can’t turn lies (the reasons for the Iraq war) into something noble by continuing to throw money and people at Iraq to “fix” it. I don’t know how to fix the pain, emotional and physical, veterans must feel over Iraq’s crumbling, but I do know that we can’t make it better by spreading that pain to even more veterans. That would be the likely outcome of additional military action in Iraq.

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To extricate the United States from the unpopular war he had inherited from his predecessor, President Nixon sold out the South Vietnamese. Yet by simultaneously reaching an accommodation with China, he managed at least one trick: By the time Saigon fell, Nixon had reduced by one the roster of countries that Washington counted as problems or threats. He thereby salvaged a modicum of advantage acutely relevant to the as-yet-undecided Cold War.

Obama is not guilty of consciously selling out a former ally. To extricate the United States from an equally unpopular war that he inherited from his predecessor, he merely cut Iraq loose. Perhaps he had little alternative but to do so. Yet in terms of implications, Obama’s actions are much the same as Nixon’s: Iraqi problems are no longer our problems…

One glimmer of opportunity remains, in terms of daring and audacity the closest thing to a Nixonian gambit: Ending the U. S. diplomatic estrangement from Iran could yield a strategic realignment comparable to that produced by the opening to China, its effects rippling across the greater Middle East. There, rather than in misguided proposals for renewed U.S. military action, lies Obama’s chance to demonstrate that he has grasped the lessons that Iraq (along with Vietnam) has to teach. One can imagine Nixon himself relishing the prospect.

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All but one of those is really in Kurdish territory.

cozmo on June 16, 2014 at 11:14 PM

Hope the kurds have lots of good weapons.

crankyoldlady on June 16, 2014 at 11:17 PM

The Very Best of KISS

And Kitchen Dooty calls…

[tosses bar keys to CL and Parm...don't forget to feed the shrimp!]

Newtie and the Beauty on June 16, 2014 at 11:17 PM

Newtie and the Beauty on June 16, 2014 at 11:13 PM

I told him to ask the hostel staff where the cheap eats are. Hostels attract college kids and college kids aren’t usually full of $$$. If there’s a store nearby he can pick up bread and the like.
He leaves for Prague on Wednesday.

annoyinglittletwerp on June 16, 2014 at 11:17 PM

Bishop on June 16, 2014 at 11:12 PM

LEAP exist… have since the late 80′s… tyRR

http://airandspace.si.edu/collections/artifact.cfm?object=nasm_A20050460000

going2mars on June 16, 2014 at 11:17 PM

We should practice it more

Newtie and the Beauty on June 16, 2014 at 11:15 PM

Waste of money.

Smart artillery cluster shells with real time guidance. Much more bang for the buck.

To have those with some 16″ guns. Be still my heart.

cozmo on June 16, 2014 at 11:18 PM

Rix on June 16, 2014 at 11:16 PM

Rice?

Bmore on June 16, 2014 at 11:18 PM

Carpet bombing is a lost art. We should practice it more

Newtie and the Beauty on June 16, 2014 at 11:15 PM

Mitt Romney did, in 2012. Did you enjoy it?

Rix on June 16, 2014 at 11:18 PM

Eureka! I finally figured where you quote this diarrhea from. Yeah, that’s one of the reasons why I don’t want her as President.

Rix on June 16, 2014 at 11:16 PM

You win one prize but the other is still up for grabs.

VorDaj on June 16, 2014 at 11:18 PM

I believe that there could be no greater legacy for America than to help to bring into being a Palestinian state for a people who have suffered too long, who have been humiliated too long, who have not reached their potential for too long, and who have so much to give to the international community and to all of us.

VorDaj on June 16, 2014 at 11:13 PM

Alright already, stop using Reagan’s own words against him.

Bishop on June 16, 2014 at 11:18 PM

the silver lil tank is a hot gas generator…
don’t ask how I know

going2mars on June 16, 2014 at 11:18 PM

Daisy cutter, FAE, BLU-82, whatever works.

cozmo on June 16, 2014 at 11:04 PM

Heh, why choose. Drop ‘em all.

climbnjump on June 16, 2014 at 11:18 PM

Hope the kurds have lots of good weapons.

crankyoldlady on June 16, 2014 at 11:17 PM

They do. And the will and expertise to use them.

cozmo on June 16, 2014 at 11:19 PM

This Al Qaeda Army murdered around 1,700 captured soldiers and others. When is the World Court located in the Hague going to declare that this is a war crime and indict those who were responsible?

SC.Charlie on June 16, 2014 at 11:10 PM

The UN did send a sternly-worded letter to ISIS:

Watch Out ISIS! UN Chief Sends Jihadist Killers Sternly Worded Letter…

So, there’s that.

Resist We Much on June 16, 2014 at 11:19 PM

’s homesick and isn’t eating much because everything costs so much. We told him we’d send $$ because he’s already too thin. He took photos of Sachenhausen Concentration Camp. While I know that the majority of Sachenhausen’s victims weren’t Jews-the photos took my breath away. Now I want to move to Israel and be around people sort of like me. annoyinglittletwerp on June 16, 2014 at 11:03 PM

It’s good he gets to see these things. I thought the food sucked in Europe as well.

I don’t know how you pulled off his adventure, but it’s pretty cool for a young man to do something like that.

I hope you keep us up on it. For real.

wolly4321 on June 16, 2014 at 11:19 PM

Carpet bombing with Nukes…

oscarwilde on June 16, 2014 at 11:16 PM

if that’s not a rock tune…it should be..

going2mars on June 16, 2014 at 11:21 PM

going2mars on June 16, 2014 at 11:17 PM

No no no, I’m talking about the other ones, the satellites that launch large darts as kinetic weapons.

You can’t fool me, I’ve played Black Ops 2.

Bishop on June 16, 2014 at 11:21 PM

I believe that there could be no greater legacy for America than to help to bring into being a Palestinian state for a people who have suffered too long, who have been humiliated too long, who have not reached their potential for too long, and who have so much to give to the international community and to all of us.

VorDaj on June 16, 2014 at 11:13 PM

Not to mention their contribution to NASA and the space program …

* ducks from a going2mars flying object *

ShainS on June 16, 2014 at 11:22 PM

Out of couriosity, did the ‘sternly worded letter’ meme originate with Keith Laumer’s Retief or is there another source?

DemetriusPhalerum on June 16, 2014 at 11:22 PM

no… last I read maybe a couple dozen..

wiki says 15..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GBU-43/B_Massive_Ordnance_Air_Blast_bomb

going2mars on June 16, 2014 at 11:05 PM


High altitude carpet-bombing with much smaller 230 to 910 kilograms (500 to 2,000 lb) bombs delivered via heavy bombers such as the B-52 or B-2 is also highly effective at covering large areas.

Kind of poetic,isn’t it?

PolAgnostic on June 16, 2014 at 11:22 PM

You win one prize but the other is still up for grabs.

VorDaj on June 16, 2014 at 11:18 PM

I didn’t know that one, had to look it up. What can I say? I didn’t want him as President, either, but the alternative was McCain or worse, ManBearPig.

Rix on June 16, 2014 at 11:23 PM

Islam brings hope and comfort to millions of people in my country, and to more than a billion people worldwide. Ramadan is also an occasion to remember that Islam gave birth to a rich civilization of learning that has benefited mankind. Islam is a faith that brings comfort to people. It inspires them to lead lives based on honesty, and justice, and compassion. Islam is a faith that brings comfort to a billion people around the world. It’s a faith that has made brothers and sisters of every race. It’s a faith based upon love, not hate. Mohammad’s word has guided billions of believers across the centuries, and those believers built a culture of learning and literature and science. All the world continues to benefit from this faith and its achievements. The Islam that we know is a faith devoted to the worship of one God, as revealed through The Holy Qur’an. It teaches the value and the importance of charity, mercy, and peace.

VorDaj on June 16, 2014 at 10:53 PM

If you like your plan you can keep your plan.

Bishop on June 16, 2014 at 11:01 PM

If you like your head, you can keep your head.

Doc Holliday on June 16, 2014 at 11:23 PM

I’ve played Black Ops 2.

Bishop on June 16, 2014 at 11:21 PM

Youngster. I first read about them in Footfall.

cozmo on June 16, 2014 at 11:23 PM

Carpet bombing with Nukes…

oscarwilde on June 16, 2014 at 11:16 PM

if that’s not a rock tune…it should be..

going2mars on June 16, 2014 at 11:21 PM

ROTFLMAO… Yea, it probably should be huh…

oscarwilde on June 16, 2014 at 11:23 PM

One town was devastated.

crankyoldlady on June 16, 2014 at 10:49 PM

One person died.

Schadenfreude on June 16, 2014 at 11:23 PM

…..Just……totally……

williamg on June 16, 2014 at 11:24 PM

Chiggers

Bmore on June 16, 2014 at 11:24 PM

Young twerp should go to the markets that every town has. He’d have to find them though. Then you can buy things in bits and pieces. Grazing.

crankyoldlady on June 16, 2014 at 11:25 PM

If you like your head, you can keep your head.

Doc Holliday on June 16, 2014 at 11:23 PM

She lied to me, got the ring and poof, gone.

Bishop on June 16, 2014 at 11:25 PM

If the hapless and corrupt UN can locate the leadership of ISIS in order to send it a ‘sternly-worded letter’, why can’t our intelligence agencies pinpoint a location for a drone strike?

Resist We Much on June 16, 2014 at 11:25 PM

Oh, and ‘nuke ‘em from orbit. It’s…..’. Sheet, never mind.

DemetriusPhalerum on June 16, 2014 at 11:25 PM

Bishop on June 16, 2014 at 11:21 PM

you mount them in racks of 5…
they are slightly larger than a 1 gallon can of paint..
(least that one was)
12 liquid rocket motors..
4 40 lb thrusters… you can see nozzles pointed up and down..
(the other 2 point at you and away..)
and 8 1lb thrusters.. 4 on each end disk..
it hovers like a hummingbird ..
it doesn’t have to chase you down..
it just gets in your orbit..
then you hit it going 17,500 mhp -/+

going2mars on June 16, 2014 at 11:25 PM

You win one prize but the other is still up for grabs.

VorDaj on June 16, 2014 at 11:18 PM

I’m going to have to go with the other being a Barky O’Barkbark quote…

oscarwilde on June 16, 2014 at 11:25 PM

Chiggers

Bmore on June 16, 2014 at 11:24 PM

Alcohol will take care of that. Or make you forget about them. I don’t remember.

cozmo on June 16, 2014 at 11:25 PM

Mitt Romney did, in 2012. Did you enjoy it?
Rix on June 16, 2014 at 11:18 PM

That was manure hitting an oscillating fan head-on, especially after Candy Crowley got done with him.

Newtie and the Beauty on June 16, 2014 at 11:26 PM

I didn’t know that one, had to look it up. What can I say? I didn’t want him as President, either, but the alternative was McCain or worse, ManBearPig.

Rix on June 16, 2014 at 11:23 PM

I know, he was the lesser of three idiots.

VorDaj on June 16, 2014 at 11:26 PM

…why can’t our intelligence agencies pinpoint a location for a drone strike?

Resist We Much on June 16, 2014 at 11:25 PM

They now reserve that for domestic work.

cozmo on June 16, 2014 at 11:27 PM

Watch Out ISIS! UN Chief Sends Jihadist Killers Sternly Worded Letter…

So, there’s that.

Resist We Much on June 16, 2014 at 11:19 PM

What are they, a bunch of Lawyers? :P

Doc Holliday on June 16, 2014 at 11:27 PM

Mitt Romney did, in 2012. Did you enjoy it?
Rix on June 16, 2014 at 11:18 PM

That was manure hitting an oscillating fan head-on, especially after Candy Crowley got done with him.

Newtie and the Beauty on June 16, 2014 at 11:26 PM

I meant the primaries. I wish Mitt had the balls to go scorched earth against Obama as he did against your namesake in FL.

Rix on June 16, 2014 at 11:28 PM

I know what a Twerp is but what is a xenomorph?

Parmenides on June 16, 2014 at 11:07 PM

Me.

cheers

eon

eon on June 16, 2014 at 11:28 PM

I know what a Twerp is but what is a xenomorph?

Parmenides on June 16, 2014 at 11:07 PM

Alien will show you, when he gets here…

Doc Holliday on June 16, 2014 at 11:29 PM

going2mars on June 16, 2014 at 11:25 PM

What good is an orbital weapon against the hordes rushing toward the Zionist Jewification Dumpster, it would burn up entering the atmosphere anyway.

I’m talking about dropping rocks, big ones, straight down on a given land target, no actual chemical explosives necessary. We could even drop Maxine Waters, she’s a rock.

Bishop on June 16, 2014 at 11:29 PM

Glad to hear your OK, Omaha. You can come here if it gets too rough. Just bring a paintbrush…:)

Doc Holliday on June 16, 2014 at 11:30 PM

…why can’t our intelligence agencies pinpoint a location for a drone strike?

Resist We Much on June 16, 2014 at 11:25 PM

The drone operators are still going through Tea Party donor list.

Rix on June 16, 2014 at 11:30 PM

We could even drop Maxine Waters, she’s a rock.

Bishop on June 16, 2014 at 11:29 PM

Wow… Talk about toxic waste though…

oscarwilde on June 16, 2014 at 11:31 PM

Thanks for the good wishes. The tail of the storm is due here at midnight. We were sitting on the porch having drinks and I was smoking…

OmahaConservative on June 16, 2014 at 11:31 PM

What good is an orbital weapon against the hordes rushing toward the Zionist Jewification Dumpster, it would burn up entering the atmosphere anyway.

I’m talking about dropping rocks, big ones, straight down on a given land target, no actual chemical explosives necessary. We could even drop Maxine Waters, she’s a rock.

Bishop on June 16, 2014 at 11:29 PM

Can you imagine the damage done by a Waters/Johnson/Jackson-Lee bomb? Sheez, the whole country might tip over from the weight of all the stupid.

Doc Holliday on June 16, 2014 at 11:31 PM

Bishop, From Heinlein. ‘We throw rocks’.

DemetriusPhalerum on June 16, 2014 at 11:32 PM

ROTFLMAO… Yea, it probably should be huh…
oscarwilde on June 16, 2014 at 11:23 PM

You can do that, right, Oscar?

A NHRA engine in the background on idle…muffled booms…and a most bodacious singing guitar to steer eveything right where you want it… ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on June 16, 2014 at 11:32 PM

Oh, and the winds have really picked up again. When I was a kid they called this front porch sleeping weather…

OmahaConservative on June 16, 2014 at 11:32 PM

…why can’t our intelligence agencies pinpoint a location for a drone strike?

Resist We Much on June 16, 2014 at 11:25 PM

The drones are all highly calibrated to seek out Constitutions and Bibles and avoid Korans.

VorDaj on June 16, 2014 at 11:32 PM

Resist We Much on June 16, 2014 at 11:25 PM

missiles maybe ??

http://www.stripes.com/news/2nd-ballistic-missile-defense-destroyer-arrives-in-spain-1.289246

going2mars on June 16, 2014 at 11:32 PM

Lolz! Coast clear yet?

Bmore on June 16, 2014 at 11:33 PM

Bye the bye, Bishop. Anything currently in orbit is a potential kinetic weapon. See; Heinlein, R. A. ‘The moon is a harsh mistress’.

DemetriusPhalerum on June 16, 2014 at 11:16 PM


Really?

Go back and read your copy again.

Heinlein’s “rail gun” accelerated containers designed for high speed Earth re-entry lunched on carefully calculated courses for specific impact points.

There is even a discussion of a limited supply of containers.

Anything in Earth orbit, unless it is unusually dense, would be as effective as confetti.

They made a huge fuss over Spacelab – and nada

PolAgnostic on June 16, 2014 at 11:33 PM

Sheez, the whole country might tip over from the weight of all the stupid.

Doc Holliday on June 16, 2014 at 11:31 PM

And that’s why liberals have to spread along both coasts. If they ever abandon NYC and Boston and move to California and Oregon, the country will tip over into the Pacific.

Rix on June 16, 2014 at 11:33 PM

Has anyone here joined the military at an age a little bit older than the usual recruits? I really feel like I want to serve. Like in some kind of support role.

bluegill on June 16, 2014 at 11:33 PM

I meant the primaries. I wish Mitt had the balls to go scorched earth against Obama as he did against your namesake in FL.

Rix on June 16, 2014 at 11:28 PM

Balls: He HAS none…….

Scorched Earth“: He can only do this against Conservatives…….

williamg on June 16, 2014 at 11:34 PM

Rix on June 16, 2014 at 11:28 PM

Back when the left was rooting FOR him…gotcha…

Newtie and the Beauty on June 16, 2014 at 11:35 PM

bluegill on June 16, 2014 at 11:33 PM

Hillary would know. She said pretty much the same thing.

cozmo on June 16, 2014 at 11:35 PM

Has anyone here joined the military at an age a little bit older than the usual recruits? I really feel like I want to serve. Like in some kind of support role.

bluegill on June 16, 2014 at 11:33 PM

**eyeroll**

Resist We Much on June 16, 2014 at 11:36 PM

bluegill on June 16, 2014 at 11:33 PM

Have you tried the Red Cross and the USO?

Newtie and the Beauty on June 16, 2014 at 11:36 PM

Bmore on June 16, 2014 at 11:33 PM

Sorry, too late…

Barred on June 16, 2014 at 11:37 PM

If possible, Hagfish has jumped the shark…

OmahaConservative on June 16, 2014 at 11:37 PM

Bishop on June 16, 2014 at 11:29 PM

well its good to know all the ordnances available ,,besides
half the job is selection of what to drop where…
if you drop Maxine Waters might be a toxic site for years…
would you want to get any of that on ya??

going2mars on June 16, 2014 at 11:37 PM

Has anyone here joined the military at an age a little bit older than the usual recruits? I really feel like I want to serve. Like in some kind of support role.

bluegill on June 16, 2014 at 11:33 PM

How old are you? My Mom served. They shipped her off to Pearl. Upside for me was its where she met my Dad. He had been there for a bit.

Bmore on June 16, 2014 at 11:38 PM

Hey ALT-
http://www.wikisexguide.com/wiki/Prague.

Who needs food?

wolly4321 on June 16, 2014 at 11:38 PM

I really feel like I want to serve. Like in some kind of support role.

bluegill on June 16, 2014 at 11:33 PM

You always have an option of serving time. Not sure you’ll like the “support role”, though.

Rix on June 16, 2014 at 11:38 PM

Hope the kurds have lots of good weapons.

crankyoldlady on June 16, 2014 at 11:17 PM

They do. And the will and expertise to use them.

cozmo on June 16, 2014 at 11:19 PM

Hope so…they’re gonna need all three.

Jaibones on June 16, 2014 at 11:38 PM

Lolz! Coast clear yet?
Bmore on June 16, 2014 at 11:33 PM

Define “clear”…

Newtie and the Beauty on June 16, 2014 at 11:39 PM

I’m talking about dropping rocks, big ones, straight down on a given land target, no actual chemical explosives necessary. We could even drop Maxine Waters, she’s a rock.

Bishop on June 16, 2014 at 11:29 PM

Heh.

Or the densest element in the universe (well, that could create a black hole and suck us all in): Pelosium.

ShainS on June 16, 2014 at 11:39 PM

Barred on June 16, 2014 at 11:37 PM

; )

Bmore on June 16, 2014 at 11:39 PM

wolly4321 on June 16, 2014 at 11:38 PM

Bad wolly, bad.

cozmo on June 16, 2014 at 11:39 PM

cozmo on June 16, 2014 at 11:07 PM

I got a VERY up close look at the waffle cone fins.. :)

going2mars on June 16, 2014 at 11:14 PM

Good to see you g2m.
Step dad in law worked on Polaris/Locheed.
Hubs worked on TRident/DOD, still nested in our subs, wish they would do a little target practice in the sand now.

31giddyup on June 16, 2014 at 11:40 PM

**eyeroll**

Resist We Much on June 16, 2014 at 11:36 PM


Biting my tongue so hard it’s bringing tears to my eyes

Now chanting, “Not worth getting banned. Not worth getting banned.”

PolAgnostic on June 16, 2014 at 11:40 PM

Has anyone here joined the military at an age a little bit older than the usual recruits? I really feel like I want to serve. Like in some kind of support role.

bluegill on June 16, 2014 at 11:33 PM

Everyone who joins should expect the possibility of being in some sort of combat, it’s why they train everyone the same in boot camp.

That being said, I just watched a YT vid about today’s Navy boot camp and almost started crying. It wasn’t exactly USMC even in my day but wow…the recruits are all whispering and the CC’s sound like child therapists.

Bishop on June 16, 2014 at 11:40 PM

Newtie and the Beauty on June 16, 2014 at 11:32 PM

and have him add some hot chicks…
big bombs
fast cars
hot chicks
and rock n roll..>>whats not to like

yes I know the list is getting longer by the day..

going2mars on June 16, 2014 at 11:40 PM

Get OFF Of My Cloud……..

williamg on June 16, 2014 at 11:41 PM

Out of curiosity, did the ‘sternly worded letter’ meme originate with Keith Laumer’s Retief or is there another source?

DemetriusPhalerum on June 16, 2014 at 11:22 PM

According to Keith Laumer, it was a running joke in the State Department when he worked there in the 1950s. That is, if a Third World country did anything to Americans short of murder, the result was a “stern note” from State.

Laumer said that a more sensible response in most such cases would have been the nearest helicopter assault ship with a Marine detachment aboard.

Imagine how history would have been different if Thomas Jefferson had sent a “stern note” to the Barbary States. Which I suspect may have been the point Laumer was making in the Retief stories.

cheers

eon

eon on June 16, 2014 at 11:41 PM

My bad, Pol. I guess ‘potential’ means something different for you than it does for me. ‘Little David’s sling’ was a weapon designed as such. For reference you might take a look at ‘Planetes’ for a better understanding of ‘potential’. Abnd on thyat note I shall retire. Nitey night.

DemetriusPhalerum on June 16, 2014 at 11:41 PM

The tail of the storm is due here at midnight.

OmahaConservative on June 16, 2014 at 11:31 PM

Careful out there, OC.

Jaibones on June 16, 2014 at 11:42 PM

Bishop on June 16, 2014 at 11:12 PM

Is it true? That they have an IHOP on the international space station?

Parmenides on June 16, 2014 at 11:43 PM

We could even drop Maxine Waters, she’s a rock.

Bishop on June 16, 2014 at 11:29 PM

Dropped head-first Mad Maxine is probably armor-piercing.

viking01 on June 16, 2014 at 11:43 PM

if you drop Maxine Waters might be a toxic site for years…
would you want to get any of that on ya??

going2mars on June 16, 2014 at 11:37 PM

Then drop her on Mecca and make the place uninhabitable, the ultimate holy site because no one gets in, ever.

Bishop on June 16, 2014 at 11:43 PM

**eyeroll**

Resist We Much on June 16, 2014 at 11:36 PM

….you know, Sophie – you are SOOO HOT when you do that……….gives me goosebumps!

williamg on June 16, 2014 at 11:44 PM

hillary would know. She said pretty much the same thing. cozmo on June 16, 2014 at 11:35 PM

She walked in with her fog proof goggles too.

wolly4321 on June 16, 2014 at 11:44 PM

We could even drop Maxine Waters, she’s a rock.

Bishop on June 16, 2014 at 11:29 PM

Dropped head-first Mad Maxine is probably armor-piercing.

viking01 on June 16, 2014 at 11:43 PM

Her head is definitely a hollow point.

Resist We Much on June 16, 2014 at 11:45 PM

Bishop on June 16, 2014 at 11:12 PM

Is it true? That they have an IHOP on the international space station?

Parmenides on June 16, 2014 at 11:43 PM

No, don’t be silly, it’s a Taco Bell…

oscarwilde on June 16, 2014 at 11:45 PM

If the hapless and corrupt UN can locate the leadership of ISIS in order to send it a ‘sternly-worded letter’,

To which ISIS said “finally, toilet paper”.

why can’t our intelligence agencies pinpoint a location for a drone strike?

Resist We Much on June 16, 2014 at 11:25 PM

They can, but

“Osama is dead and GM is alive” and no more use of the term “terrorism”, rubes.

Schadenfreude on June 16, 2014 at 11:46 PM

Newtie and the Beauty on June 16, 2014 at 11:39 PM

Spoke too soon didn’t I? I did manage a minor update today though. ; )

Bmore on June 16, 2014 at 11:46 PM

….you know, Sophie – you are SOOO HOT when you do that……….gives me goosebumps!

williamg on June 16, 2014 at 11:44 PM

◔ ♥ U, 2!

Resist We Much on June 16, 2014 at 11:46 PM

Her [Maxine Waters'] head is definitely a hollow point.

Resist We Much on June 16, 2014 at 11:45 PM

LOL.

No argument there.

viking01 on June 16, 2014 at 11:47 PM

31giddyup on June 16, 2014 at 11:40 PM

evening 31.. hope you are well..
I haven’t been to a first run movie in 30some years..
I don’t golf.. or fundraise..
but I try and keep up who’s dropping what on whom…
some call it work.. :)

ps..hope you have the TD gassed and at the ready..!!

going2mars on June 16, 2014 at 11:48 PM

There’s no room on the ISS for fast food joints, you’re reading too much crap from conspiracy websites.

Commander Bin Laden told me most of the available space onboard is for tactical nukes, frozen clones of all current serving congressman (and a few past members), and smallpox virus.

Bishop on June 16, 2014 at 11:49 PM

Is it true? That they have an IHOP on the international space station?

Parmenides on June 16, 2014 at 11:43 PM

No, don’t be silly, it’s a Taco Bell…

oscarwilde on June 16, 2014 at 11:45 PM

That would explain the space toilet problems….

viking01 on June 16, 2014 at 11:49 PM

Before I finish this Closure and crash, let me see if I have this straight:

- O’Bozo has fuc1ed up the painful work we did in Iraq, and now his fellow Mussie/Nazi Islamists are cutting off everyone’s heads again, a la Zarqawi;

- O’Bozo’s All-Politics-All-the-Time approach to illegal aliens has resulted in a mad rush for our southern border, which — a la Piven-Cloward — is now demanding all border security resources be re-assigned to baby-sitting buggy central American kids with tuberculosis, and the border is completely open to Mexican jackals who are delivery illegals to our shore on jet skis, who then get a bus ticket for Chicago from the next border agent who ambles by;

- the U.S. economy, already a well-hidden joke, is a few weeks of negative GDP from officially re-entering recession;

- O’Bozo is golfing;

- Hillary seems to have suffered a stroke;

- and the Republitards want to pass an amnesty bill, because “no one will vote for us in 2016 if we don’t”?

Jaibones on June 16, 2014 at 11:51 PM

goodnight saigon

Fred

jrsrigmvr on June 16, 2014 at 11:52 PM

and have him add some hot chicks…
big bombs
fast cars
hot chicks
and rock n roll..>>whats not to like
yes I know the list is getting longer by the day..
going2mars on June 16, 2014 at 11:40 PM

Put together with a kick-@$$ soundtrack and we be MOTORIN’!!

We’ll need a demo…get Oscar to try all of the radio stations…

Newtie and the Beauty on June 16, 2014 at 11:52 PM

Jaibones on June 16, 2014 at 11:51 PM

Yep.

Bmore on June 16, 2014 at 11:53 PM

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