No one buying claim that Lois Lerner’s IRS emails were lost

posted at 1:21 pm on June 16, 2014 by Noah Rothman

Last Friday afternoon, the Internal Revenue Service claimed that Lois Lerner, a former executive tasked with overseeing tax-exemption applications, lost thousands of emails after her computer crashed. Many of those emails, the tax collection agency claimed, could not be recovered.

This convenient excuse for failing to comply with a request from House investigators is not sitting well with some in the journalistic community.

“Do you believe in the Easter Bunny?” CNN’s John King asked his panel of political reporters on Monday. “Do you believe in Santa Claus? Do you believe that Lois Lerner’s emails suddenly went ‘poof?’”

King added that he agreed with Rep. Dave Camp (R-MI) who said that it was “unacceptable” that this information was just coming to light now, over a year after the investigation into allegations that the IRS targeted conservative political groups with undue scrutiny began.

“Waiting a year to tell the Congress makes me suspicious,” King said.

“It’s hard to believe in this era, where you have servers, and backup servers, and all kinds of technology that can recover all kinds of emails, that these emails simply don’t exist,” Associated Press reporter Julie Pace agreed. “If that is true, and they don’t exist, why wasn’t that one of the first things that was told to Congress?”

“I’m not sure what’s with this administration and computer problems, but it seems to be happening time and again,” Politico’s Manu Raju concurred.

It seems that even those predisposed to extend federal officials the benefit of the doubt are not accepting the claim that Lerner’s emails simply disappeared into thin air at face value.

In a sardonic segment on MSNBC’s Morning Joe on Monday, hosts Mika Brzezinski and Joe Scarborough ruthlessly mocked the notion that a hardware crash could eliminate files stored on remote servers.

“Mika, even you have to admit this is pretty ridiculous,” Scarborough probed.

“Pretty ridiculous,” Brzezinski replied. “Those emails exist.”

Perhaps made uncomfortable by the implications surrounding this admission, Brzezinski quickly changed topics. It would, however, be shameful if the American political press did the same. The concession from these prominent political reporters and commentators serves as a mandate to pursue the story surrounding the IRS scandal with renewed vigor.

And those who are scratching the surface of this story are unsettled by what they are finding. In March, as Townhall’s Guy Benson noted on Monday, IRS Commissioner John Koskinen testified before Congress that all the relevant email communications are “stored somewhere” on severs.

This development in a controversy which President Barack Obama called a “phony scandal” at an agency were he insisted there was “not even a smidgeon of corruption” provides reporters with the clearest indication yet that the president was either not being truthful or had been misled.

So, which is it?


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The reason I think it is worse is that it is expanding.

Cindy Munford on June 16, 2014 at 2:25 PM

Yeah … don’t get your hopes up, Cindy.

Fast&Furious was worse. The junta allying with Mexico to attack Arizona was worse. Barky’s personal war in Libya was worse. Benghazi was worse. Barky’s excuse for ignoring his first strategic review of Afghanistan was worse – Barky claimed that it took 6 months for the review he requested to be submitted, so conditions ont he ground had changed and the review was obsolete. So he ordered another one … which took almost 5 months … and then just made up numbers on his own, all while having killed a fighting season and seriously harming US security and interests. Barky’s junta’s use of EPA regulations is worse. Barky’s personal whim to change law and allow illegals to stay here was worse. Barky’s opening up the southern border and running Too Fast, Too Furious to have us drowned in young illegals is far worse. Barky’s biggest political rally of the 2008 campaign – for foreigners in a foreign nation paid for, in part, by a foreign government – was far worse. I could go on and on.

As I said, I put this IRS crime and this intellectually offensive lie in the TOP 30, but that’s about it. Barky standing on the coffins of the Benghazi dead lying his Indonesian, Dog-Eating azz off puts this episode in the JV category.

And I haven’t even gotten into anything about BarkyCare or his World Traitor Tour or all of that other stuff.

But … in the end, the Vichy GOP isn’t going to even try to do anything about any of this so it really doesn’t matter one whit.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 16, 2014 at 2:36 PM

There’s another alternative, THe President does know and he also knows the lie they were planning on telling. The propensity for this administration to out and out lie is mind boggling and I don’t believe you lie without the President knowing it and, if he doesn’t I don’t believe you have a job if you did. Then again, that’s in a real administration.

bflat879 on June 16, 2014 at 2:38 PM

Sorry guys, I know many you will disagree with me but this is THE BIGGEST (domestic) scandal of this administration.

Cindy Munford on June 16, 2014 at 2:12 PM

Schadenfreude on June 16, 2014 at 2:39 PM

Gabriel Malor ‏@gabrielmalor 26m

IRS says Lerner really was storing her emails locally and she really did lose them in harddrive crash. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/06/16/heres-how-the-irs-lost-emails-from-key-witness-lois-lerner/

novaculus on June 16, 2014 at 2:40 PM

Old: Missing 18 minutes. New: Missing e-mails.

ThePrez on June 16, 2014 at 2:41 PM

Gee even Mika HAD to agree. That had to burn. The lies are so blatant now, the socialists in the media can’t cover them up anymore.

They look embarrassed. This may be Zero’s swan song.

dogsoldier on June 16, 2014 at 2:42 PM

novaculus on June 16, 2014 at 2:40 PM

HORSE MANURE.

dogsoldier on June 16, 2014 at 2:43 PM

HORSE MANURE.
dogsoldier on June 16, 2014 at 2:43 PM

I had the race card pulled on me recently for using “horse manure”…something about context… ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on June 16, 2014 at 2:45 PM

Schadenfreude on June 16, 2014 at 2:39 PM

Okay, I’ll compromise.

Cindy Munford on June 16, 2014 at 2:47 PM

Hearing now that the IRS sent over 1 million+ tax forms and related documents to the FBI. Containing SS#, DOB’s, etc. etc. all related to 401 c appplicants…..my absolute despotism meter just keeps edging up every day.

Von Kleist on June 16, 2014 at 2:50 PM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 16, 2014 at 2:36 PM

I think a lot of that ends when he goes and I find it hard to believe that the press will ever give the pass to another president like they have him. It’s a lead pipe cinch they won’t ever give a Republican president this much leeway. And I wouldn’t want them to. Filling our government agencies with idealogs will take forever to clear out because of the unions.

Cindy Munford on June 16, 2014 at 2:51 PM

my absolute despotism meter just keeps edging up every day.
Von Kleist on June 16, 2014 at 2:50 PM

Yours still works? o_O

Mine broke somewhere around summer 2010…

Newtie and the Beauty on June 16, 2014 at 2:53 PM

Perhaps, we can get Lerner’s secretary to demonstrate how she crashed her boss’ computer, ala Rosemary Woods.

Esaus Message on June 16, 2014 at 2:55 PM

Gabriel Malor ‏@gabrielmalor 26m

IRS says Lerner really was storing her emails locally and she really did lose them in harddrive crash. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/06/16/heres-how-the-irs-lost-emails-from-key-witness-lois-lerner/

novaculus on June 16, 2014 at 2:40 PM

Next question: Why would Lerner be storing official IRS emails locally instead of on the department’s servers so that something like this supposedly couldn’t happen.

Wait, don’t tell me, the IRS keeps all it’s data on taxpayers using a huge pile of thumb-drives.

Bishop on June 16, 2014 at 2:55 PM

Gabriel Malor ‏@gabrielmalor 26m

IRS says Lerner really was storing her emails locally and she really did lose them in harddrive crash. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/06/16/heres-how-the-irs-lost-emails-from-key-witness-lois-lerner/

novaculus on June 16, 2014 at 2:40 PM

And the emails were still archived as they went through the servers. That is a requirement of federal data laws.

GWB on June 16, 2014 at 2:56 PM

novaculus on June 16, 2014 at 2:40 PM

Bullsh**.

But fine, fine. Produce the HD and let someone else try to recover the e-mails.

Just watch. They’ll claim that the HD was lost or destroyed.

PackerBronco on June 16, 2014 at 2:56 PM

Wait, don’t tell me, the IRS keeps all it’s data on taxpayers using a huge pile of thumb-drives.

Bishop on June 16, 2014 at 2:55 PM

Please … 5 1/4″ diskettes.

PackerBronco on June 16, 2014 at 2:57 PM

I think a lot of that ends when he goes

Cindy Munford on June 16, 2014 at 2:51 PM

Sorry again, Cindy, but … nope. The damage is irreparable. Nothing is going to return to the way it was, once. It’s over. Long over. The Rule of Law is history. America is history. This is the American Socialist Superstate we are stuck in and the American Constitutional Republic is not coming back here. It can’t.

People were warned about all this back in 2008.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 16, 2014 at 2:58 PM

To which the chorus replied: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlo1kldHjF8

Axeman on June 16, 2014 at 3:05 PM

People were warned about all this back in 2008.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 16, 2014 at 2:58 PM

We were warned about this in 1787 from Ben Franklin.

“A republic, if you can keep it.”

Now we wait for the inevitable crash and all the fun which will come of it.

Bishop on June 16, 2014 at 3:06 PM

LOL! Did they really say something like that?

DinaRehn on June 16, 2014 at 1:51 PM

Why not. Does it really matter, considering that nothing substantial will be done in terms of true justice and punishment.

We are being overwhelmed.

hawkeye54 on June 16, 2014 at 1:57 PM

At some point they will be forced by events to do something – or else they (the GOP) will be complicate in the actions of the national socialist left.

DinaRehn on June 16, 2014 at 3:07 PM

RE: Newtie and the Beauty on June 16, 2014 at 2:53 PM
Hope…can’t live it, can’t live without it..

Von Kleist on June 16, 2014 at 3:08 PM

Next question: Why would Lerner be storing official IRS emails locally instead of on the department’s servers so that something like this supposedly couldn’t happen.

Bishop on June 16, 2014 at 2:55 PM

Actually, it’s common practice. I have all the emails downloaded to my machine when I login, or otherwise my mailbox on the server fills up – there *is* a size limit. This, however, does *NOT* stop the emails from being archived. It is not possible to delete the emails from the archive without special effort. I know, as I work around classified and we have had a couple of inadvertant cases of classified information going out over unclassified email – they have to take about 3 days to a week to pull the server data (even though we “store our emails locally”) and scrub the offending emails from those archives.

GWB on June 16, 2014 at 3:09 PM

Sorry again, Cindy, but … nope. The damage is irreparable. Nothing is going to return to the way it was, once. It’s over. Long over. The Rule of Law is history. America is history. This is the American Socialist Superstate we are stuck in and the American Constitutional Republic is not coming back here. It can’t.

People were warned about all this back in 2008.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 16, 2014 at 2:58 PM

although a little hyperbolic, not by much:

* The progressives don’t like our existing laws.

* Obama has demonstrated that as President, he doesn’t have to follow the law.

* Any future democratic President is going to follow in kind…

* therefore, The Rule of Law is history.

WisRich on June 16, 2014 at 3:09 PM

At some point they will be forced by events to do something – or else they (the GOP) will be complicate in the actions of the national socialist left.

DinaRehn on June 16, 2014 at 3:07 PM

At some point?

Seriously, what does Obama have to do to get the Republicans to do something?

Cap a girl scout on the White House lawn?

sharrukin on June 16, 2014 at 3:11 PM

Funny finally something that even the LIV can understand and the POS “journalists” can’t hide this one.

Add to that the fact that this kind of excuse never flies when THEY are doing the asking. Try to say “the computer ate my records” and let us know how that goes.

kim roy on June 16, 2014 at 3:11 PM

Former Internal Revenue Service official Lois Lerner sent confidential taxpayer information about nonprofit groups to the Federal Bureau of Investigation days before the 2010 midterm elections.

New emails provided by the Department of Justice (DOJ) to the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform for its investigation into the IRS targeting scandal show that the IRS sent 21 disks containing 1.1 million pages of information on groups to the FBI, which is overseen by DOJ, in October 2010.

Read more: http://

Von Kleist on June 16, 2014 at 3:12 PM

Hope…can’t live it, can’t live without it..
Von Kleist on June 16, 2014 at 3:08 PM

I can live with that ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on June 16, 2014 at 3:14 PM

Gabriel Malor ‏@gabrielmalor 26m

IRS says Lerner really was storing her emails locally and she really did lose them in harddrive crash. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/06/16/heres-how-the-irs-lost-emails-from-key-witness-lois-lerner/

novaculus on June 16, 2014 at 2:40 PM

Any bets on whether the IRS would buy this if this was an excuse given to them?

Anyone? Anyone? Anyone? Hello? This thing on? Anyone??

kim roy on June 16, 2014 at 3:14 PM

Wait, don’t tell me, the IRS keeps all it’s data on taxpayers using a huge pile of thumb-drives.

Bishop on June 16, 2014 at 2:55 PM

Please, they still have key punch operators.

RickB on June 16, 2014 at 3:16 PM

Why not. Does it really matter, considering that nothing substantial will be done in terms of true justice and punishment.

We are being overwhelmed.

hawkeye54 on June 16, 2014 at 1:57 PM

But the IRS did say that. I linked it, further up.

Schadenfreude on June 16, 2014 at 3:17 PM

Gee, if the IRS lost my W-2′s, maybe I just won’t pay taxes this year.

Steve Z on June 16, 2014 at 3:18 PM

At some point they will be forced by events to do something – or else they (the GOP) will be complicate complicit in the actions of the national socialist left.

DinaRehn on June 16, 2014 at 3:07 PM

House and Ways Committee Chairman Dave Camp (R-Mich.) says that along with providing news of the emails that have been lost, the IRS suggested in the same letter to Congress that it end its investigation.

The late disclosure of the lost emails may be reason to disregard the suggestion.

Schadenfreude on June 16, 2014 at 3:19 PM

DOJ Lawyer: “Government Email Servers Backed Up Every Night” So No Way Would Lerner Emails Be “Accidentally” Lost

Resist We Much on June 16, 2014 at 1:28 PM

Eric Holder is roaming the halls accompanied by a pack of bloodhounds.

katy the mean old lady on June 16, 2014 at 3:20 PM

Eric Holder is roaming the halls accompanied by a pack of bloodhounds.
katy the mean old lady on June 16, 2014 at 3:20 PM

Has Banquo peeked from around the corner yet?

Newtie and the Beauty on June 16, 2014 at 3:24 PM

OT: Hillary just threw Keystone under the bus

ConservativePartyNow on June 16, 2014 at 3:34 PM

Newtie and the Beauty on June 16, 2014 at 2:45 PM

Seriously?

If true we go with bullshit. Either works.

Bovine Excrement.

Have the contemptible curs at the IRS lost their minds or do they think we are as mentally defective as they seem to be?

dogsoldier on June 16, 2014 at 3:35 PM

The level of incompetence and corruption and irresponsibility of this vile administration of lawless, fascist traitors DEMANDING execution is incomprehensibly vast, and my rage at the GOP is how they are accomplices for doing virtually nothing about it like impeachment when the things 0bama has done make Nixon’s & Clinton’s glaring crimes pale into nothing by comparison; at least GOP Nixon had the integrity to confess his, unlike vile self-rightous Dem scumbag hypocrites.

russedav on June 16, 2014 at 3:36 PM

At some point they will be forced by events to do something – or else they (the GOP) will be complicate in the actions of the national socialist left.

DinaRehn on June 16, 2014 at 3:07 PM

At some point?

Seriously, what does Obama have to do to get the Republicans to do something?

Cap a girl scout on the White House lawn?

sharrukin on June 16, 2014 at 3:11 PM

Believe me, I share your frustration.

My point is that they will be forced by events to take action – hopefully events won’t be so long advanced that we won’t have irreversible damage to the country.

Tyrants don’t go reversing course on their own – they only get worse.

The GOP has to realize this fact of life – and do it ASAP.

DinaRehn on June 16, 2014 at 3:36 PM

I can hear it all now—The Congressional Select Committee says, ” We think there are backups to those lost emails.” IRS replies, “We stand by our word!” Thus, the Select Committee vows to get to the bottom of this latest smidgeon within 3 years if they can find a computer expert with minimum knowledge. End of story.

mobydutch on June 16, 2014 at 3:37 PM

Resist We Much on June 16, 2014 at 1:28 PM

They are backed up every night, offsite at a secure facility.

Copies of email sent and received are automatically backed up. They have to be for all sorts of internal audits, just like the congressional request that prompted this laughable response.

Obama’s people have instructed the IRS to try this lie out. They are hoping congress is too timid to clean house at the IRS. Those a-holes all need to be fired.

Can you imagine what would happen to you if you tried to tell them you lost your receipts or your records?

dogsoldier on June 16, 2014 at 3:40 PM

My point is that they will be forced by events to take action – hopefully events won’t be so long advanced that we won’t have irreversible damage to the country.

DinaRehn on June 16, 2014 at 3:36 PM

At the risk of coming accross as snarky, The fire alarm shouldn’t be your reminder to buy the fire extinguisher….

Von Kleist on June 16, 2014 at 3:41 PM

“So, which is it?” Plausible deniability. Works. Every. Time.

HiJack on June 16, 2014 at 3:44 PM

Gabriel Malor ‏@gabrielmalor 26m
IRS says Lerner really was storing her emails locally and she really did lose them in harddrive crash.
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/06/16/heres-how-the-irs-lost-emails-from-key-witness-lois-lerner/

 
novaculus on June 16, 2014 at 2:40 PM

 
So she’s gambling on the lesser fine (and probably no jail time) related to breaking what I’m sure is a law/laws requiring storing that data elsewhere for X years.

rogerb on June 16, 2014 at 3:51 PM

Emails go both ways right?

So subpoena the Whitehouse, and the DOJ and the Democratic National committee.

Just do a search in all government data bases for anything having to do with Lois Lerner. She sent and received emails from someone somewhere.

Heck what is the NSA for? They have it all… do a search of that mess of information.

Turn the snooping back on the government. Make them the target of the NSA data collections.

petunia on June 16, 2014 at 1:46 PM

There is no doubt that certain reps have already been targeted and blackmailed through abuse of the NSA, would anybody put this past the thugs in this administration? It would explain a lot of the strange flip-flops and elbow rubbing that has been going on lately by people on our side.

bigGwillie on June 16, 2014 at 4:03 PM

And yet, the GOPe will do nothing about it. Nothing will happen. No one will be punished. Nothing will change.

Wino on June 16, 2014 at 1:27 PM

BoxHead1 on June 16, 2014 at 4:06 PM

And yet, the GOPe will do nothing about it. Nothing will happen. No one will be punished. Nothing will change.

Wino on June 16, 2014 at 1:27 PM

BoxHead1 on June 16, 2014 at 4:07 PM

So she’s gambling on the lesser fine (and probably no jail time) related to breaking what I’m sure is a law/laws requiring storing that data elsewhere for X years.

rogerb on June 16, 2014 at 3:51 PM

So she pulled her emails off a server and stored them in her hard drive and then hammered her hard drive and oops, there they go? Did she gamble on probable cause and obstruction of justice, pray tell?

Those emails are somewhere and no longer under her control.

gracie on June 16, 2014 at 4:15 PM

Despite many flaws, an inquiring, nosy media is usually our best guarantee that would-be tyrants are kept in check and perpetrators of high crimes and misdemeanors (Lois Lerner and others at the IRS come to mind), responsibility for which ultimately accrues to the dictator, are hounded and pursued by the MSM until the tyrant is forced to prosecute (or is, himself, prosecuted).

However, in Obama’s case, because they are 100% covering him in a protective blanket the press does not want to admit even the smallest peccadillo on his part so they either ignore all scandals or twist and distort them as merely “dirt” dug up by bigoted opponents. This is very dangerous because now you have an incompetent dullard with unlimited power who can do what the pleases with total immunity. The evil child in a glass factory swinging a baseball bat and with absolutely no accountability.

MaiDee on June 16, 2014 at 4:18 PM

Why would anyone buy it since the claim is complete and total BullShite…

oscarwilde on June 16, 2014 at 4:19 PM

I get the feeling that there is a subset of “journalist” on the Left who are beginning to see it may be time to split with Obama. He is not up for re-election, so it “is time to save yourself” and start creating distance.

Tater Salad on June 16, 2014 at 4:22 PM

I don’t want to be a negative nancy or a debbie downer. I really don’t.

I was fired up when the first round of hearings happened. I really really thought that justice would be served even though I am generally a skeptic and a bit more cynical/paranoid than the average. Now, I consider the old me(last years model) to be a wide eyed innocent. Something untoward is happening at the highest levels of government and it seems to involve both parties. If the GOPe can’t get a prosecution/media blitz going with the current info that is in the public sphere, for all to see, then they are colluding. Just like they are colluding on general amnesty. These new Dreamers are going to be amnestied without a vote and no one will challenge it.

Remember when Fitzgerald jailed Scooter LIbby for nothing and the dems kept the fake plame scandal in the headlines forever.

BoxHead1 on June 16, 2014 at 4:23 PM

So she’s gambling on the lesser fine (and probably no jail time) related to breaking what I’m sure is a law/laws requiring storing that data elsewhere for X years.
 
rogerb on June 16, 2014 at 3:51 PM

 
So she pulled her emails off a server and stored them in her hard drive and then hammered her hard drive and oops, there they go? Did she gamble on probable cause and obstruction of justice, pray tell?
 
Those emails are somewhere and no longer under her control.
 
gracie on June 16, 2014 at 4:15 PM

 
+1. But who is going to pursue those things? Holder? That’s why I suspect she’s taking this angle. It gives her (and the rest of them) an easy out.
 
And the Geek-Squad-using American people aren’t informed enough to realize that’s not how those things work.

rogerb on June 16, 2014 at 4:26 PM

Whaaaat??!! You don’t believe in SANTA????

bigGwillie on June 16, 2014 at 4:33 PM

Lying sack+Impunity=Obama.

Mason on June 16, 2014 at 4:34 PM

Like others have pointed out. The recipient’s computer did not crash. Or did it?

Cindy Munford on June 16, 2014 at 4:37 PM

I want to put one thing straight here. It is impossible for this President to be misled.

Follow the logic: He only knows what he reads in the papers or sees on the news. What he reads and sees is reported by intrepid journalists and parsed by even more intrepid editors, most of them friendly to the President’s party. Therefore, what he knows must be, unequivocally, the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Which leads to the only possible conclusion: The one not telling the truth is his royal self.

[Sarcasm intentional]

IndieDogg on June 16, 2014 at 4:38 PM

Like others have pointed out. The recipient’s computer did not crash. Or did it?

Cindy Munford on June 16, 2014 at 4:37 PM

Early statements from the IRS said they were endeavoring to recover Lerner’s e-mails from the recipients. I have another Sharyl Attkisson computer question for the list:

How do they know the identity of the recipients if they don’t have the e-mails?

In this case, the recipient of an e-mail may be as telling, and crucial, as the content of the message.

IndieDogg on June 16, 2014 at 4:45 PM

It appears that the IRS ran their e-mail services not as a records retention operation, but more akin to a telephone system.

Backup tape were reused after 6 months. When they ran out of disk space the just started deleting things, starting with the oldest.

The IRS expects taxpayers to retain records for 7 years of audits, but haphazardly backups up it’s e-mail record for maybe 2 or 3 years.

J_Crater on June 16, 2014 at 4:59 PM

OT: Hillary just threw Keystone under the bus

ConservativePartyNow on June 16, 2014 at 3:34 PM

The Canadian oil will get to market one way or another. Currently there are plans for enlarging the west pipeline for export to China. Capacity for using some existing natural gas pipe line capacity for transfer to the Montréal refineries for national consumption and transfer of crude to Europe now suddenly open to accepting product from the oil sands. (Thanks Mr. Putin.)

Annar on June 16, 2014 at 5:09 PM

What news organization does the TelePrompTer work for. I think he gets all his news this way.

djaymick on June 16, 2014 at 5:10 PM

Old: Missing 18 minutes. New: Missing e-mails.

ThePrez on June 16, 2014 at 2:41 PM

Simply a change in technology!

However, I do seem to recall a more “active” press back then. One that to this day references this particular (very small, by comparison) cover-up.

IrishEyes on June 16, 2014 at 5:11 PM

Ever notice how Obama not only takes credit for others successes, he also likes to take their words too.

When Obama said there was not a smidgen…., he is just quoting his hacks after they told him they had gone through her hard drive, all the hard drives, the back up servers, the taped archives and the NSA meta data and can assure him that there is not a smidgen of evidence left for anyone to find.

Franklyn on June 16, 2014 at 5:12 PM

Why not. Does it really matter, considering that nothing substantial will be done in terms of true justice and punishment.

We are being overwhelmed.

hawkeye54 on June 16, 2014 at 1:57 PM

But the IRS did say that. I linked it, further up.

Schadenfreude on June 16, 2014 at 3:17 PM

Turn out the lights, the party’s over.

hawkeye54 on June 16, 2014 at 5:20 PM

I guess the press corps finally read Al Franken’s book.

http://www.amazon.com/Lies-Lying-Liars-Tell-Them/dp/0452285216

(at least the title. “Right” on the lower cover was a typo.)

NoPain on June 16, 2014 at 5:26 PM

At some point they will be forced by events to do something – or else they (the GOP) will be complicate in the actions of the national socialist left.

DinaRehn on June 16, 2014 at 3:07 PM

At some point?

Seriously, what does Obama have to do to get the Republicans to do something?

Cap a girl scout on the White House lawn?

sharrukin on June 16, 2014 at 3:11 PM

Nah. Just have a few more primaries like Virginia’s.

NoPain on June 16, 2014 at 5:29 PM

Complete and total O’Bullsh1t, of course. Lies, lies and more lies from the Crooks and Liars administration.

And the emails were still archived as they went through the servers. That is a requirement of federal data laws.

GWB on June 16, 2014 at 2:56 PM

Bing.

Jaibones on June 16, 2014 at 5:36 PM

That being said, look for the next lie to be:

“Lerner’s HD has been lost and we cannot supply it to you for study. We’re really sorry.”

That’s a forgone conclusion. They’ve already stated that the IRS IT contractor was unable to recover the data. The HD was replaced was replaced when they pulled the “defective” HD for recovery. Even if they retained the HD, there’s no chain of evidence that would make the contents useful. More likely that the drive was physically destroyed. You can be sure they followed that rule.

worldtvlr on June 16, 2014 at 5:39 PM

Old: Missing 18 minutes. New: Missing e-mails.

ThePrez on June 16, 2014 at 2:41 PM

.
Indeed… the Øbama Administration regime is more Nixonian than the Nixon Administration.

ExpressoBold on June 16, 2014 at 5:52 PM

provides reporters with the clearest indication yet that the president was either not being truthful or had been misled.

Hurry and put it in the papers so he can find out. His administration doesn’t tell him anything.

Herb on June 16, 2014 at 6:05 PM

Why do we have a media exactly?

We might as well get daily press releases from the Press Secretary’s office or the State Department and let it go at that. It’s the same thing. Maybe we should just let the Chamber of Commerce do the press releases since they really run D.C. apparently.

We already don’t need the worthless Congress.

PappyD61 on June 16, 2014 at 6:10 PM

No one buying claim that Lois Lerner’s IRS emails were lost

The lost emails is a blatant and bald-faced lie. Even the routinely lying Obama administration would not tell such a lie to protect a couple people in Cleveland and/or Louis Lerner. This lie proves that the Democrats using the force of government at the IRS against their political foes was orchestrated at the highest levels of the Obama administration.

RJL on June 16, 2014 at 6:12 PM

Sorry guys, I know many you will disagree with me but this is THE BIGGEST scandal of this administration.

Cindy Munford on June 16, 2014 at 2:12 PM

Sorry, Cindy, but this isn’t even close to the biggest scandal or the worst crime this Indonesian junta has pulled off. It’s in the Top 30, though. I’ll give you that …

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 16, 2014 at 2:15 PM

If by “this,” you mean the whole IRS scandal, not just the ridiculous claim that all the emails were lost, then I would agree. A weaponized IRS is a bigger scandal than the Benghazi outrage, although it may not be bigger than the Benghazi scandal they’re tying to hide behind the Benghazi scandal we’re aware of. After all, we still don’t know exactly why they were willing to let a US Ambassador die. Whatever it was, it may be even bigger than gun-running to Al Qaeda-linked Syrian rebels.

There Goes the Neighborhood on June 16, 2014 at 6:14 PM

We are hearing about lost email and we are hearing first a glitch that deleted the email, then a hard drive crashed that made the email unrecoverable. I think we all can follow that there is a serious problem with the claims and that email is one of the hardest data to lose in a hard drive crash because only copies of it are stored on the hard drive.

For just her email to be lost is beyond any reasonable scenario that does not begin and end with someone spending a considerable amount of time going through every possible mail server and back up arrays of servers to make sure they got every one of the emails.

It is possible that the emails are not found if they never sent them using a private email. Here is how that works. On a public computer set up a web based email account. Write the email, but save it to a draft without sending it. Someone else who had the account name and password, accesses the account from a safe computer and reads the draft. Since it was never sent and had no intended recipient there was no email stored except on the hard drive or a temp folder on the server.

I learned of this because it was being used by some high level government officials a few years back, I would not be surprised if this is what she was doing or that they got sloppy with doing it and somehow it would be discovered.

Keep in mind that most of these officials are just average socially conditioned people who cannot even dream of thinking outside the box and even then the box is confusing.

Franklyn on June 16, 2014 at 6:20 PM

Indeed… the Øbama Administration regime is more Nixonian than the Nixon Administration.

ExpressoBold on June 16, 2014 at 5:52 PM

Yup….too bad Nixon didn’t have that cozy protective relationship with the LSM that Obumbles does.

hawkeye54 on June 16, 2014 at 6:20 PM

The reason I think it is worse is that it is expanding.

Cindy Munford on June 16, 2014 at 2:25 PM

Yeah … don’t get your hopes up, Cindy.

Fast&Furious was worse. The junta allying with Mexico to attack Arizona was worse. Barky’s personal war in Libya was worse. Benghazi was worse. Barky’s excuse for ignoring his first strategic review of Afghanistan was worse – Barky claimed that it took 6 months for the review he requested to be submitted, so conditions ont he ground had changed and the review was obsolete. So he ordered another one … which took almost 5 months … and then just made up numbers on his own, all while having killed a fighting season and seriously harming US security and interests. Barky’s junta’s use of EPA regulations is worse. Barky’s personal whim to change law and allow illegals to stay here was worse. Barky’s opening up the southern border and running Too Fast, Too Furious to have us drowned in young illegals is far worse. Barky’s biggest political rally of the 2008 campaign – for foreigners in a foreign nation paid for, in part, by a foreign government – was far worse. I could go on and on.

As I said, I put this IRS crime and this intellectually offensive lie in the TOP 30, but that’s about it. Barky standing on the coffins of the Benghazi dead lying his Indonesian, Dog-Eating azz off puts this episode in the JV category.

And I haven’t even gotten into anything about BarkyCare or his World Traitor Tour or all of that other stuff.

But … in the end, the Vichy GOP isn’t going to even try to do anything about any of this so it really doesn’t matter one whit.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 16, 2014 at 2:36 PM

I’d have to disagree. I wouldn’t want to diminish those other scandals, but the IRS is being used to prevent any political opposition, which makes all the other scandals possible. Obama probably lost the last election, if not for using the IRS against his political enemies.

This is about as big as a scandal can get.

There Goes the Neighborhood on June 16, 2014 at 6:22 PM

They’re insulting.

bour3 on June 16, 2014 at 6:50 PM

Most of us know what glitch is. It is when something does not work like we expected it to on our computer. A glitch might be when we hit the save button but the email is not saved, or the delete button/key and the email is still there.

It might be a glitch if we accidently highlighted all our inbox emails and hit delete and then did it again for the sent folder and hit delete It was of course a glitch when we explain the problem of lost emails to our boss who does not know anything about computers. That is a glitch of the wet ware with no fix

ATT has an email glitch that prevents you from receiving or sending email from your computer based email program from time to time. Note this does not delete the email you have stored in the email program. They will tell you it’s your problem and in my case tell me to call Microsoft since I use their live mail. That cost money and MS will fix it simply because the first step to resolve is to log into the web based server where all the email is stored. That fixes the ATT mail server. The email will now work. That is a glitch of the software with a fix.

It becomes a problem when someone points out to you that glitches don’t do delete email.

That is a failure of glitchy hard drives installed on their left side, but easily corrected by installing them on their right side. No?

Makes more sense than their explanation that one small hard drive purchased from the lowest bidder, took out all the email backups from just the one employee who got caught with her knickers down.

Franklyn on June 16, 2014 at 6:59 PM

Get these people under oath and start grilling them like burgers on the the forth of july. Tell me what would my chances would be against the IRS if i gave them this story. All funding should immediately be stopped and no paychecks issued until the emails are recovered and we have answers. We are congress and you answer to us so start producing….if anyone in congress had a pair.

jaywemm on June 16, 2014 at 7:05 PM

Here’s Lerner’s hard drive:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=589797007761126

Tried to get HA to post his. They wouldn’t, so I will.

NoPain on June 16, 2014 at 7:13 PM

NoPain on June 16, 2014 at 7:13 PM
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diogenes on June 16, 2014 at 7:31 PM

Zero out the budget for the IRS.

Tell them it got lost in a hard drive crash and no one can recreate their budget. So it gets nothing.

ajacksonian on June 16, 2014 at 8:06 PM

Where exactly is the hard drive?

What kind of “crash” swipes the hard drive so clean that no experts can find any information on it?

Is there any communication/documentation of the crash at that time? I mean, for someone to be in her position, that had to have been absolutely devastating to lose all of your ongoing work/documents/emails/calendars/contacts/etc..etc..etc.? Right?

Is there a receipt/documentation for new drive/laptop purchased?

Is anyone willing to testify that they witnessed or heard about the “crash” and/or the effects/chaos of the “crash”?

Is there an IRS protocol for employees “crashed” drive? I mean, do they just throw them in the trash? Or give them to their kids/neighbors to play with?….huh?

nottakingsides on June 16, 2014 at 8:31 PM

The only way the IRS’ story could be true is if Lois Lerner was using a private, non-government email account to conduct official business, something that Lisa Jackson at EPA was also doing to avoid FOIA requests.

Nomas on June 16, 2014 at 8:45 PM

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=589797007761126

Thanks, Diogenes. This really needs to be viral. This lady is great. Beautiful and tough as nails.

NoPain on June 16, 2014 at 8:58 PM

Do you believe the moon is made of cheese?

VorDaj on June 16, 2014 at 9:00 PM

Nomas on June 16, 2014 at 8:45 PM

Yes but those emails are still somewhere like in the WH, DOJ and FBI servers, pc’s/hard drives or at yahoo, etc. Gotta get ‘em legally. I bet Issa knows exactly what’s there but he got them surreptitiously and can’t expose that fact. The other thing is there’e probably a few Republican establishment types with blood on their hands, too. They hate the Tea Party as much as the Dems.

gracie on June 16, 2014 at 9:08 PM

Seriously, what does Obama have to do to get the Republicans to do something?

Cap a girl scout on the White House lawn?

sharrukin on June 16, 2014 at 3:11 PM

Even if he violently raped a girl scout on the White House lawn, the Cultists would yell at his opponents “See! You wingers are wrong again, he isn’t gay.”

Reuben Hick on June 16, 2014 at 9:09 PM

I’m certain a good hacker could get them…

sorrowen on June 16, 2014 at 9:21 PM

That’s a forgone conclusion. They’ve already stated that the IRS IT contractor was unable to recover the data. The HD was replaced was replaced when they pulled the “defective” HD for recovery. Even if they retained the HD, there’s no chain of evidence that would make the contents useful. More likely that the drive was physically destroyed. You can be sure they followed that rule.

worldtvlr on June 16, 2014 at 5:39 PM

Fair enough. Next action should be to haul in the IRS commissioner coxsucker who told Chaffetz in March they would comply. We now are supposed to believe this terrible tragedy involving Lerner wasn’t known then?

arnold ziffel on June 16, 2014 at 9:43 PM

Wait, don’t tell me, the IRS keeps all it’s data on taxpayers using a huge pile of thumb-drives.

Bishop on June 16, 2014 at 2:55 PM

Please … 5 1/4″ diskettes.

PackerBronco on June 16, 2014 at 2:57 PM

Punch cards. Huge stacks of ‘em.

SubmarineDoc on June 16, 2014 at 9:48 PM

The only way the IRS’ story could be true is if Lois Lerner was using a private, non-government email account to conduct official business, something that Lisa Jackson at EPA was also doing to avoid FOIA requests.

Nomas on June 16, 2014 at 8:45 PM

You are correct.

The *only* way a US Government email is “lost” in on purpose.
Archive requirements and server redundancy are mind-boggling.

I think the current theory that the GOP knows what’s on them, but can’t disclose legally or without embarrassment is probably correct. You don’t “Lose” a US Government e-mail, period.

a5minmajor on June 16, 2014 at 10:17 PM

Without bothering to read 100+ comments to see if this has been covered, at the very least, reporters should ask if all the people to whom Lerner’s emails were sent and all the people from whom Lerner received emails also lost all their emails in computer crashes or whatever.

Knott Buyinit on June 16, 2014 at 10:59 PM

By the way, has anyone noticed the caption under the picture on the main page?

“Do you believe in Santa Clause?”

Either a typo, or some clever joke in spelling “Santa Claus” that I’m not following.

There Goes the Neighborhood on June 17, 2014 at 12:18 AM

reporters should ask if all the people to whom Lerner’s emails were sent and all the people from whom Lerner received emails also lost all their emails in computer crashes or whatever.

IRS is claiming that they’ve retrieved “most” of the emails sent within the agency by doing just that–pulling recipients’ emails. It is the emails to the White House, Justice, other Treasury, as well as to Levin, Cummings, (Soros?, Steyer? etc.) that are most noticeably missing.

Will Obama help get these emails? He easily could. He won’t.

Moreover, the hard drive could not be read “because of a couple bad sectors” but it sounds like 99% of the sectors were good, and could be read by retrieval experts and hackers alike.

It is not credible that EMAIL servers were only archived for 6 months, then deleted…in 2010?? No way. They may have had such an antiquated policy for the file and application servers, but no way for an email server. I predict such an (illegal) policy of 6-month email server backup will never be produced.

G. Charles on June 17, 2014 at 12:18 AM

They are the only ones standing between us and totalitarianism, and you bash them for being out of power, but not the totalitarians who are abusing the power you gave them!
petunia on June 16, 2014 at 1:52 PM

Yes, they are the only ones but they are not being bashed for being out of power. Quite the contrary. Their bashing is twofold according to whom it specifically applies:
1. Outright complicity in either covering this up or
2. Not doing a thing about it with what power they do have.

Sorry guys, I know many you will disagree with me but this is THE BIGGEST (domestic) scandal of this administration.
Cindy Munford on June 16, 2014 at 2:12 PM

Schadenfreude on June 16, 2014 at 2:39 PM

I agree you two. This is as overt fascist intimidation this country has probably ever seen and it barely gets a peep from those whose jobs it is to raise ever living hell on any impropriety our elected servants perpetrate on its citizenry.

anuts on June 17, 2014 at 3:36 AM

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