NY Times: GOP’ers sounding more like Occupy Wall Street, scaring business leaders

posted at 12:31 pm on June 15, 2014 by Noah Rothman

As the fallout from Rep. Eric Cantor’s (R-VA) stunning primary loss continues to settle, one of the many entrenched interests feeling suddenly insecure about their position in the American hierarchy is big business. For some, like the aviation giant Boeing, Cantor was a reliable friend. With his loss, that company’s prospects, along with its share price, have crumpled.

“Mr. Cantor’s loss is much more than just symbolism,” the Times reported on Saturday. “He has been one of Wall Street’s most reliable benefactors in Congress. And Mr. Brat used that fact to deride the majority leader as someone who has rigged the financial system.”

What has concerned many businesses with a stake in federal policy is a growing anger on the right from people who can sound more Occupy Wall Street than Tea Party.

The Times quotes Potomac Research Group strategist Gregory R. Valliere who said that it is not unreasonable to make a comparison between tea party conservatives and “Elizabeth Warren liberals” in terms of the rising tide of economic populism. He declined, however, to make that direct comparison.

If businesses are truly sensing that an element of Occupy’s disaffected populism has begun to characterize the tea party’s rhetoric, they have only now started listening. Among the organizing principles which drew grassroots conservatives to the tea party movement in the first place was its willingness to attack Republicans as well as Democrats who facilitate what they view as crony capitalism. In the sense that both groups are suspicious of celebrated practices in Washington which enrich the well-connected and expand the state, but which never seem to directly or even indirectly benefit average Americans, Occupy and the tea party do share a common ideological bond.

But that’s about where the similarities end. It is difficult to believe that business and financial interests see the likely ascension of an economics professor from Virginia with an affinity for laissez-faire markets to the House of Representatives represents some horrible portent. The tea party seeks, and has always sought, to reduce the distortion in markets created by the collusion between politicians and moneyed interests. As an extension of the perennial squabble between Jeffersonian and Hamiltonian philosophies, the tea party’s rise to become a functional wing of the GOP is a most uniquely American political expression. Occupy, meanwhile, would have liked nothing more than to lead the American financial class to the gallows. There is nothing in the American political tradition which serves as a precedent for that virulent form of populism.

The difference may be that few Americans of influence ever took Occupy that seriously. When, in 2011, Occupy encampments were sprouting up across the country and a variety of leading Democrats in the majority were doing their best Bane impression, financial professionals did not seem especially concerned.

“[There’s] two things they generically complain about I agree with,” J.P. Morgan CEO Jamie Dimon said in March of 2012 when asked about the Occupy movement. “The average American [can] look at the institutions of America and [say] they’ve let me down: these are Washington and Wall Street.”

When business interests did express genuine concern over the Occupy movement, it was because they believed they were in danger of being targeted for both physical and cyber-attacks by members of that seemingly anarchist movement.

“In connection with the continued economic uncertainty, groups such as Occupy Wall Street and Anonymous, have targeted the financial services industry as part of their protest against the perceived lax regulation of the financial sector and economic inequality,” read a 2011 10-Q filing from the CME Group, which operates the Chicago Mercantile Exchange.

Does anyone really believe that tea partiers and their representatives are capable of, or even interested in, this manner of societal disruption?

The message of economic populism a winning one; it has been for some time. Growing dissatisfaction with the state of economic affairs, as growth languishes in the fifth year of a supposed recovery, is going to shape American politics on both sides of the aisle. It is, however, a stretch to believe that the business community is so distraught over Cantor’s loss that they would equate the mild populist correction imposed by the tea party with Occupy’s rebelliousness. The business community is probably aware of this particularity, though it seems to elude the Times.

For all its interest in internecine skirmishes, the philosophical foundations of the tea party were and remain largely constructive. Occupy, on the other hand, did not seem to be interested in building up much of anything. Much to the distress of The New York Times.


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This guy is an IDIOT – the First Thing he did here was to write a Love-Post to Andrea Mitchell…….

GET RID OF HIM!!!!!!!!!

williamg on June 15, 2014 at 12:37 PM

“You could even make a case that there’s a lot in common between the Tea Party types and the Elizabeth Warren liberals,” said Gregory R. Valliere, the chief political strategist for the Potomac Research Group. “The impact of what’s happened is going to make Republicans in the House apprehensive about appearing to be too cozy to business.”

That’s because it’s not so much “business” that’s the problem–blanket amnesty for illegals IS, though.

Newtie and the Beauty on June 15, 2014 at 12:38 PM

The serf labor Chamber of Commerce crony capitalists should be made scared, very scared.

VorDaj on June 15, 2014 at 12:41 PM

The Tea Party is just like Occupy Wall Street, minus the rape tents, drum circles, homeless drug addicts, up twinkles, mic checks, public defecation, littering, arrests, flag burnings, commies, anarchists, vandalism, anti-semitism, aging hippies, union support, lack of sanitation, and unemployed millenials.

myiq2xu on June 15, 2014 at 12:45 PM

It’s ok, NYT, I’m sure the demorats have plans to force everyone to buy your paper on a daily basis and you would see no problem with that.

Bishop on June 15, 2014 at 12:48 PM

The Tea Party is just like Occupy Wall Street, minus the rape tents, drum circles, homeless drug addicts, up twinkles, mic checks, public defecation, littering, arrests, flag burnings, commies, anarchists, vandalism, anti-semitism, aging hippies, union support, lack of sanitation, and unemployed millenials.

myiq2xu on June 15, 2014 at 12:45 PM

The TEA Party has lawn chairs. Don’t forget that part.

VegasRick on June 15, 2014 at 12:49 PM

For all its interest in internecine skirmishes, the philosophical foundations of the tea party were and remain largely constructive. Occupy, on the other hand, did not seem to be interested in building up much of anything.

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Exactly correct. I’ve never seen TEA Partiers so much as leave litter around a rally site. Occupiers, however, even “educated” professors in that movement, crap on cop cars.
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Oh, and… Up Twinkles

ExpressoBold on June 15, 2014 at 12:49 PM

For some, like the aviation giant Boeing, Cantor was a reliable friend. With his loss, that company’s prospects, along with its share price, have crumpled.

That should tell everyone that there was something very wrong going on for a large company’s stock to have “crumpled” from just one man’s election loss, as in what was that one man doing to politically influence and artificially boast them up so much and what was he getting from them in return?

VorDaj on June 15, 2014 at 12:50 PM

Noah is doing great here. I think he is due for a raise already. :-)

coolrepublica on June 15, 2014 at 12:51 PM

The Tea Party is just like Occupy Wall Street, minus the rape tents, drum circles, homeless drug addicts, up twinkles, mic checks, public defecation, littering, arrests, flag burnings, commies, anarchists, vandalism, anti-semitism, aging hippies, union support, lack of sanitation, and unemployed millenials.
myiq2xu on June 15, 2014 at 12:45 PM

Hypocrisy, iPhones, iPads, sponging off the public for sustenance for their camps, bad attitudes, sense of entitlement (just because they were THERE), squatting on public property (with the blessings of TPTB), cussin’, defamation of character, ignorance of economics, lemmings…

Newtie and the Beauty on June 15, 2014 at 12:52 PM

myiq2xu on June 15, 2014 at 12:45 PM

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Pretty good summary… you have been paying attention.

ExpressoBold on June 15, 2014 at 12:52 PM

What has concerned many businesses with a stake in federal policy is a growing anger on the right from people who can sound more Occupy Wall Street than Tea Party.

…that should make them a favorite of the NYT’s then!

KOOLAID2 on June 15, 2014 at 12:52 PM

Noah is doing great here. I think he is due for a raise already. :-)

coolrepublica on June 15, 2014 at 12:51 PM

You pitching in? I don’t think HA accepts EBT soooooooooooooooo………..

VegasRick on June 15, 2014 at 12:54 PM

I think he is due for a raise already. :-)

coolrepublica on June 15, 2014 at 12:51 PM

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You have your knee pads on already, Chiquita? Don’t you look prepared!

ExpressoBold on June 15, 2014 at 12:54 PM

Squishy, mushy and drivel, come to mind!

tomshup on June 15, 2014 at 12:55 PM

I guess you can call them the same if you believe stealing the wealth created by business is the same thing as eliminating crony capitalism, and burdensome regulation.

NotCoach on June 15, 2014 at 12:55 PM

You have your knee pads on already, Chiquita? Don’t you look prepared!

ExpressoBold on June 15, 2014 at 12:54 PM

Always prepared is my motto hombre.

coolrepublica on June 15, 2014 at 12:57 PM

Always prepared is my motto …

coolrepublica on June 15, 2014 at 12:57 PM

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LOL

ExpressoBold on June 15, 2014 at 12:58 PM

myiq2xu on June 15, 2014 at 12:45 PM

You left out the fawning media coverage that the (john is apparently) Occupied (so I’ll use this cop car for my) Movement had.

Flange on June 15, 2014 at 12:59 PM

The NY Times sure misses Joe Stalin…

Marxism is for dummies on June 15, 2014 at 12:59 PM

The similarities between the two groups are minor, the differences are large.

Occupiers want to take wealth from others rather than earn it and worry over the false boogie-man of income inequality.

Tea Party types understand that economic inequality is not a problem, lack of economic MOBILITY due to the poison of central planning pushing against capitalism is the problem.

Our current economic system has both oars in the water, but they are pulling in opposite directions.

Trying to marry central planning with capitalism makes only politicians happy.

That’s no surprise.

Meremortal on June 15, 2014 at 12:59 PM

If businesses are truly sensing that an element of Occupy’s disaffected populism has begun to characterize the tea party’s rhetoric, they have only now started listening. Among the organizing principles which drew grassroots conservatives to the tea party movement in the first place was its willingness to attack Republicans as well as Democrats who facilitate what they view as crony capitalism. In the sense that both groups are suspicious of celebrated practices in Washington which enrich the well-connected and expand the state, but which never seem to directly or even indirectly benefit average Americans, Occupy and the tea party do share a common ideological bond.

%100 true.

Except “Occupy” was a farce that faded away. Their “hero” Elizabeth Warren made money flipping houses.

tetriskid on June 15, 2014 at 1:00 PM

The Times quotes Potomac Research Group strategist Gregory R. Valliere who said that it is not unreasonable to make a comparison between tea party conservatives and “Elizabeth Warren liberals” in terms of the rising tide of economic populism.

Yes, because “Elizabeth Warren liberals”, hell-bent on hyper-regulation, cronyism and bureaucracy-building are so much like limited government, enumerated-powers, Constitutionalist “tea party conservatives.”

What planet do these idiotic think-tanky elites live on?

MistyLane on June 15, 2014 at 1:00 PM

ummm…you can’t see the difference between Ronald Reagan and the anti-American currently occupying the WH….?

Conservatives aren’t opposed to business…they don’t believe in a “war on coal” or redistribution or “profits are immoral.”

Conservatives are rightly opposed to “crony capitalism.” And any talented, free-market entrepreneur would be opposed to it too…

Conservatives are opposed to the Haley Barbour/Chamber of Commerce dissolution of the southern border….

so that a handful of already big businesses can continue to benefit from the refusal to enforce the law, while private property owners and individuals suffer….

while a handful of businesses can continue to benefit from the Import Export Bank, which Cantor favored and Hensarling very rightly has serious doubts about….

If “Wall Street” can’t see the difference between the anti-American Occupy movement and conservatives who favor business, but oppose government putting their thumb on the scale, then those Wall Street people are probably too stupid to make it on their own…and we need a conservative who can explain it to them…Cantor, McCarthy, Ryan — they aren’t the ones…..

EastofEden on June 15, 2014 at 1:01 PM

Noah is doing great here. I think he is due for a raise already. :-)

coolrepublica on June 15, 2014 at 12:51 PM

….If you had ANY Question about who Noah is – THIS comment should Clear That Up!

williamg on June 15, 2014 at 1:04 PM

The reason the “establishment” GOP hates the Tea Party so much is precisely because it rejects the kind of crony capitalism that keeps big money flowing to career politicians from Wall Street and K Street.

…and that’s why the establishment has to go. Its members have far more in common with the Democrats across the aisle than they do with the American people.

That said, a HUGE difference between the Tea Part and Occupy is that members of Occupy are largely deadbeats who want Uncle Sugar to take care of them so they get what they want without ever having to work for it. Tea Party types want the ability to earn the good life for themselves without government standing in the way.=.

DRayRaven on June 15, 2014 at 1:04 PM

The TEA Party has lawn chairs. Don’t forget that part.

VegasRick on June 15, 2014 at 12:49 PM

And their own trash bags, too.

pambi on June 15, 2014 at 1:05 PM

Except “Occupy” was a farce that faded away. Their “hero” Elizabeth Warren made money flipping houses.

tetriskid on June 15, 2014 at 1:00 PM

….and Successfully Publicly LYING about her RACE with The Cover Of The Liberal Media….but I repeat myself….

williamg on June 15, 2014 at 1:06 PM

williamg on June 15, 2014 at 1:04 PM

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Really? Nobody takes that commenter seriously.

ExpressoBold on June 15, 2014 at 1:07 PM

The problem with the Occutards wasn’t what they protesting, it was their big government, socialist solutions.

southsideironworks on June 15, 2014 at 1:07 PM

So now Occupy Wall St is racist?

ChrisL on June 15, 2014 at 1:08 PM

Oh, and… Up Twinkles

ExpressoBold on June 15, 2014 at 12:49 PM

Isn’t that more appropriately Up Yours Twinkles?

platypus on June 15, 2014 at 1:11 PM

If the Tea Party and every people mattered then it wouldn’t be business as usual with the establishment House leadership pushing as Majority Leader the biggest Chamber of Commerce / Big Business & amnesty shill their is: CA’s Kevin McCarthy. Yeah, the biggest there is, #1.

McCarthy gets an F- on immigration:

https://www.numbersusa.com/content/my/tools/grades

That’s in the bottom 4% of the pro-amnesty CA delegation on immigration.

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/06/13/kevin-mccarthy-to-lobbyists-chamber-of-commerce-dont-worry-itll-be-business-as-usual-in-the-house/

McCarthy believes that “It is better if the House does their work. We should be sending bills to the Senate.”

McCarthy went on to say, “I would not underestimate the House’s ability to pass an immigration bill. I think we have plenty of ideas on that and I think that we can move the ball as well.”

CNN’s Candy Crowley pointed out that McCarthy would not give her a straight answer on whether he would uphold the Hastert rule.

http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/03/house-gop-leaders-well-pass-gun-control-immigration-without-republican-support/

anotherJoe on June 15, 2014 at 1:11 PM

Those of us who have not been preaching to the choir on “right” sites but have been commenting at the NY Slimes have found of late that our comments about the TEA Party’s fight against corrupt crony capitalism have suddenly been approved and appear in the comments section.

We have been scoring points against the Left also at WaPo. Asking them how they can scream about corporate welfare yet side with the corrupt Bush Mafia corrupt crony capitalism against the TEA Party has shut them down.

The “lame stream media” was too busy labeling the TEA Party as racist. The Left never knew we had some common ground.

2016 will be all about “It’s the corruption, stupid.”

Jayrae on June 15, 2014 at 1:15 PM

VorDaj on June 15, 2014 at 12:50 PM

This guy is a complete idiot if he thinks Boeing is dependent on one elected official or even one party. Boeing builds airplanes, does a darn good job overall, and fights its battles by itself since Airbus si a government owned enterprise which has unlimited credit (otherwise known as taxpayer funds).

This article is a waste of electrons.

platypus on June 15, 2014 at 1:16 PM

s does anyone really believe that tea partiers and their representatives are capable of, or even interested in, this manner of societal disruption?

Oh you better believe it. Only when that damn breaks, there is no going back.

I won’t crap on a cop car. That’s simplistic.

There is no tea party. There’s just a bunch of us really pissed off.

Noah on a weekend. Better than nothing.

wolly4321 on June 15, 2014 at 1:18 PM

The populist message is one that the GOP can actually win with. For too long the Republicans have been brainwashed into loving Big Corp.

Let me ask you this: if Big Government is bad because a few people, no matter how talented, cannot know more and make better decisions than 300 million people, how can Big Corporate be qualified to make economic decisions for 300 million people?

Wages are stagnant since the 70s. The government and big business collude to prevent competition, and to suck up more and more of the wealth produced.

Business itself is not bad, but when they buy the democratic apparatus and own these corrupt politicians that is a problem.

antisense on June 15, 2014 at 1:21 PM

I don’t wish to be, but I’m getting pretty angry at the chamber of commerce.

El_Terrible on June 15, 2014 at 1:27 PM

Isn’t that more appropriately Up Yours Twinkles?

platypus on June 15, 2014 at 1:11 PM

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Now ya see, that’s how you take something intended as lighthearted and humorous and pervert it into something vicious and disgusting. Just think about that liberal, elitist, OWS-enraged, unhinged NYU professor pooping on a cop car and then think about what you suggested. Really! I was just signalling agreement with Rothman’s points using one of the least objectionable OWS behaviors.

ExpressoBold on June 15, 2014 at 1:27 PM

I have attended many Tea Party events and have no recollection of anyone at any of them asking for anything personally, other than to be left alone by the government.

GaltBlvnAtty on June 15, 2014 at 1:28 PM

If businesses are truly sensing that an element of Occupy’s disaffected populism has begun to characterize the tea party’s rhetoric, they have only now started listening. Among the organizing principles which drew grassroots conservatives to the tea party movement in the first place was its willingness to attack Republicans as well as Democrats who facilitate what they view as crony capitalism. In the sense that both groups are suspicious of celebrated practices in Washington which enrich the well-connected and expand the state, but which never seem to directly or even indirectly benefit average Americans, Occupy and the tea party do share a common ideological bond.

But that’s about where the similarities end.

Huh? This is abstract to the level of meaninglessness. It’s like saying that anyone who has any idea about anything shares a “common ideological bond.” Oh brother.

Anyway, if there are any business leaders who are backing establishment Repubs over grassroots fiscal responsibility, small-government free market supporters, that is wildly short-sighted and ultimately self-destructive.

WhatSlushfund on June 15, 2014 at 1:28 PM

Why should I have to read this crap at HA ?
Kicking the faithful is no way to endear yourself .
For me , I’ll ignore his posts .

Lucano on June 15, 2014 at 1:28 PM

“Mr. Cantor’s loss is much more than just symbolism,” the Times reported on Saturday. “He has been one of Wall Street’s most reliable benefactors in Congress. And Mr. Brat used that fact to deride the majority leader as someone who has rigged the financial system.”

And

Commerce
and the leftists
and obama
and slave labor
and child exploitation – see the border
and open border – see terrorists slipping in
and gang member entrancies – see Drudge

When the left and the HA RINOs lament his loss, it’s a BIG win for the USA.

Your tears are super-delicious-schadenfreudig!

Schadenfreude on June 15, 2014 at 1:30 PM

The tea party seeks, and has always sought, to reduce the distortion in markets created by the collusion between politicians and moneyed interests.

Hence the unease felt by the Crony Big Businesses

jaydee_007 on June 15, 2014 at 1:32 PM

Big business wants illegal alien amnesty for more cheap labor. Democrats want illegal alien amnesty for millions more Democrat voters.

Cantor and other establishment Republicans are for amnesty, so it’s no wonder business interests see conservative challengers to these politicians as a threat.

New HotAir editor Noah Rothman, who supports illegal alien amnesty and who has argued that illegal alien amnesty is something a “principled” conservative would support, should have mentioned this in his post.

If the Tea Party and every people mattered then it wouldn’t be business as usual with the establishment House leadership pushing as Majority Leader the biggest Chamber of Commerce / Big Business & amnesty shill their is: CA’s Kevin McCarthy. Yeah, the biggest there is, #1.
McCarthy gets an F- on immigration:

https://www.numbersusa.com/content/my/tools/grades

anotherJoe on June 15, 2014 at 1:11 PM

Agreed!

bluegill on June 15, 2014 at 1:32 PM

What has concerned many businesses with a stake in federal policy is a growing anger on the right from people who can sound more Occupy Wall Street than Tea Party.

Capitalism and free enterprise is one thing.

Gov’t/Capitalism, together, for their own control/gain, against the people and against the laws, is fascism pure.

Wake up America! The sane left/right s/b united in this quest to fight them off.

“Money doesn’t vote but people do” — Dave Brat

Schadenfreude on June 15, 2014 at 1:32 PM

Populist:

a member of a political party claiming to represent the common people; especially often capitalized : a member of a United States political party formed in 1891 primarily to represent agrarian interests and to advocate the free coinage of silver and government control of monopolies

a believer in the rights, wisdom, or virtues of the common people

Funny…that’s not the meaning I get from reading about *ahem!* populist policies and agendas…well, maybe the “government control of monopolies” bit, but the rest doesn’t come off as a good thing, know what I mean?

Newtie and the Beauty on June 15, 2014 at 1:34 PM

Casey Kasem Passes away.

1932-2014

Best known for American top 40

and “Shaggy” from Scooby Doo

RIP

b1jetmech on June 15, 2014 at 1:35 PM

There was a time when what was good for GM (aka big business) was good for the U.S. That is no longer true. Do Zuckerberg, Gales, Ellison or Thomas Donohue really give a damn about the future of this country? No, they are only interested in personal greed for themselves and the ruling class.

bw222 on June 15, 2014 at 1:36 PM

coolrepublica on June 15, 2014 at 12:51 PM

You promised not to comment on HA anymore…

yaedon on June 15, 2014 at 1:36 PM

McCarthy is Cantor’s twin brother. If he wins it will be short lived.

In 2015 Boehner might be gone too. As I said about Cantor “he must be defeated”, so Boehner must be gone. He is poison to the land.

But Gohmert said the night Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) “won the gavel,” or became House speaker following those elections, Boehner was one of the only Republicans who was not “devastated.”

Schadenfreude on June 15, 2014 at 1:37 PM

For all its interest in internecine skirmishes, the philosophical foundations of the tea party were and remain largely constructive. Occupy, on the other hand, did not seem to be interested in building up much of anything. Much to the distress of The New York Times.

Also, TEA partiers clean up parks. They don’t shit on cars, people, into the parks and etc., like the D-latrine rats did.

Schadenfreude on June 15, 2014 at 1:39 PM

There is nothing in the American political tradition which serves as a precedent for that virulent form of populism.

disagree. the union movement around the early 1900′s until FDR was every bit as bad.

unseen on June 15, 2014 at 1:39 PM

At some point, you move so far left that you’re on the right side, and vice-versa.

SouthernGent on June 15, 2014 at 1:40 PM

what scares the hell out of big business is this. what happens if the tea party and Occupy join teams on the issue of crony capitalism and forget about the differences the elites in both parties have made up to keep them apart?

unseen on June 15, 2014 at 1:41 PM

No. Occupy and the Tea Party are not the same, nor do they sound the same. Occupy would have the “1%” — regardless of how they got their gains — be they ill-gotten or not — give them up through new laws and regulations.

The Tea Party on the other hand, is merely targeting “too big to fail” — those businesses which get an inside track to government largess through their supposed necessary existence. Does anyone really believe that banks which played fast and loose with our money deserved rescue? Does anyone really believe that a company which builds dinosaur automobiles needed to be saved? Did anyone really believe that FIAT, given how ignominiously it exited the USA last century, deserved that the Government give it Chrysler?

What the GOP is against is not the fair acquisition of wealth (that which comes from providing products and services to others), but the unfair acquisition of wealth which comes from having friends in high places in Government — quid pro quo behavior.

To understand why Boeing stock dropped, one merely has to look at this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darleen_Druyun

unclesmrgol on June 15, 2014 at 1:42 PM

All across the Upper East Side they are sipping coffee, reading that NYT article, nodding their heads and feeling validated. McLuhan was right, the medium is the massage.

Kenosha Kid on June 15, 2014 at 1:43 PM

disagree. the union movement around the early 1900′s until FDR was every bit as bad.
unseen on June 15, 2014 at 1:39 PM

And then FDR created the Dept of Labor and proposed/signed legislation that granted gubmint sanctions on extortion, bribery and blackmail under the guise of “collective bargaining” and “workers’ rights”…

Newtie and the Beauty on June 15, 2014 at 1:43 PM

Individuals on the left and right could easily unite against the ruling class.

GaltBlvnAtty on June 15, 2014 at 1:43 PM

New HotAir editor Noah Rothman, who supports illegal alien amnesty

Is there any HA author who doesn’t support amnesty – Amnesty Ed, Allah, Ham, Benson? Why would Rothman be any different? If Rothman was conservative, Salem never would have hired him.

bw222 on June 15, 2014 at 1:44 PM

b1jetmech on June 15, 2014 at 1:35 PM

Yah , too bad but that’s what usually happens when your
kinda take you off of life support .
RIP

Lucano on June 15, 2014 at 1:45 PM

Kind= Kids

Lucano on June 15, 2014 at 1:46 PM

There’s a big difference between being pro-free markets and pro-business. The left thinks they’re the same and are against both.

RadClown on June 15, 2014 at 1:46 PM

I don’t wish to be, but I’m getting pretty angry at the chamber of commerce.

El_Terrible on June 15, 2014 at 1:27 PM

I’m way past angry. Because I know if big business and those like the chamber do not stop the actions they are engaged in then capitalism in all its forms is not long for the world. the crony capitalists are playing right into the socialists hands driving people from their support in capitalism as those people see the warped impacts of crony capitalism impact them, their families, cities and states.

unseen on June 15, 2014 at 1:48 PM

b1jetmech on June 15, 2014 at 1:35 PM

Keep your feet on the ground and keep reaching for the stars.

Flange on June 15, 2014 at 1:50 PM

bluegill on June 15, 2014 at 1:32 PM

My grave concern is that McCarthy, who has a much worse grade on amnesty and immigration than even Cantor (F- vs C+), and who has in the past, unlike Cantor who actually blocked immigration from coming up for a vote this year (to Boehner’s chagrin), my concern is that McCarthy if he is the Majority Leader will heed Paul Ryan’s call to bring an immigration bill to the floor in August to be passed by the Dems (and then to be conferenced with Rubio’s senate bill) .

We have no assurance that McCarthy won’t do this. In fact that is consistent with McCarthy’s expressed philosophy about what the House should do on immigration.

anotherJoe on June 15, 2014 at 1:50 PM

I don’t wish to be, but I’m getting pretty angry at the chamber of commerce.

El_Terrible on June 15, 2014 at 1:27 PM

There’s no reason not to be. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce should not be confused with the small town Chamber of Commerce. It is only interested in crony capitalism, special privileges and corporate welfare.

It is just as anxious to destroy the American middle class as the Marxists. Thomas Donohue, its CEO, is America’s #1 welfare queen.

bw222 on June 15, 2014 at 1:50 PM

And then FDR created the Dept of Labor and proposed/signed legislation that granted gubmint sanctions on extortion, bribery and blackmail under the guise of “collective bargaining” and “workers’ rights”…

Newtie and the Beauty on June 15, 2014 at 1:43 PM

While I’m not going to defend unions, the big business at the time was not without fault. Child labor, no overtime pay, company towns/stores stealing whatever pay the worker managed to make. In fact it is getting more like those times everyday due to crony capitalism and out sourcing. I wouldn’t be surprised to see unions make a come back in a different form once they kick out the commie’s and socialists leading them.

unseen on June 15, 2014 at 1:53 PM

if the leftist idiots paid attention, the TP started as a response to the Wall St bailout/TARP — not in response to Obama’s skin pigment, as they like to fantasize

thurman on June 15, 2014 at 1:54 PM

You promised not to comment on HA anymore…

yaedon on June 15, 2014 at 1:36 PM

…Dude!…that was like…days ago!

KOOLAID2 on June 15, 2014 at 1:57 PM

Yeah, it’s crazy ironic that us voting out the amnesty shill Cantor (who likely would have blocked amnesty from coming to a vote) will likely lead to amnesty passing, as the SUPER amnesty shill McCarthy is likely to let amensty come to a vote in August at Ryan and Boehner’s behest. Labrador is the better answer for Majority Leader!

anotherJoe on June 15, 2014 at 1:57 PM

Occupy and the tea party do share a common ideological bond.

Huh? This is abstract to the level of meaninglessness. It’s like saying that anyone who has any idea about anything shares a “common ideological bond.” Oh brother.

WhatSlushfund on June 15, 2014 at 1:28 PM

It’s like saying that a district attorney and a defense attorney are on the same side because they both think the loss of the murder victim is a tragedy that demands justice.

It’s like saying that Russia and the Ukraine are on the same side because they both think Russian-Crimeans should be treated with respect.

It’s like saying that Alabama and Auburn are on the same side because they both love the state of Alabama.

It’s like saying that the Heat and Spurs are on the same side because they both play basketball and are playing to win the championship.

You get the idea.

yaedon on June 15, 2014 at 2:02 PM

Paul Ryan lined up behind Labrador.

Schadenfreude on June 15, 2014 at 2:03 PM

McLuhan was right, the medium is the massage.

Kenosha Kid on June 15, 2014 at 1:43 PM

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LOL

ExpressoBold on June 15, 2014 at 2:03 PM

Is there any HA author who doesn’t support amnesty – Amnesty Ed, Allah, Ham, Benson? Why would Rothman be any different? If Rothman was conservative, Salem never would have hired him.
bw222 on June 15, 2014 at 1:44 PM

I’m not really sure about Allahpundit. He was the only HotAir editor who seemed happy, both on Twitter and on this blog, when Cantor was defeated. Allah seems more defeatist about the whole issue.

Mary Katharine Ham, who is pretty useless and invisible as a blogger here, also supports “comprehensive immigration reform” aka amnesty. Given her support for amnesty, maybe it’s a good thing she doesn’t post often.

Anyway, I would imagine Ed also has input in the recruitment/hiring, and I’m disappointed he hasn’t managed to help bring on board a conservative or two who is more in line with the wonderful founder of this site, Michelle Malkin.

Joe Scarborough fan Ed Morrissey seems content with this site abandoning its conservative roots, but I’m not sure this leftward shift over the years has been good for traffic, especially when you consider that sites like Breitbart and TheBlaze have far surpassed HotAir. Even young Twitchy has matched HotAir in traffic, though who knows how long Twitchy’s strength will continue, now that Salem owns it.

bluegill on June 15, 2014 at 2:04 PM

Is there any HA author who doesn’t support amnesty – Amnesty Ed, Allah, Ham, Benson? Why would Rothman be any different? If Rothman was conservative, Salem never would have hired him.

bw222 on June 15, 2014 at 1:44 PM

I wish I wasn’t laughing, but it’s ridiculously true.

reddevil on June 15, 2014 at 2:05 PM

Their “hero” Elizabeth Warren made money flipping houses.

tetriskid on June 15, 2014 at 1:00 PM

The obamas are staying in a big gay airconditioned house in Palm Springs, owner sent into an ambassadorship, while obama preaches “climate change” and mocks those who laugh at him.

Duh, the climate has always changed, and always will.

Schadenfreude on June 15, 2014 at 2:06 PM

…Dude!…that was like…days ago!

KOOLAID2 on June 15, 2014 at 1:57 PM

Heh.

Yeah, yeah. I know. I’m stuck in the past and need to update my belief system to incorporate the transient nature of perceived reality as it relates to humanity and the human condition at large. ammarite?

yaedon on June 15, 2014 at 2:06 PM

With his loss, that company’s prospects, along with its share price, have crumpled.

???

d1carter on June 15, 2014 at 2:06 PM

bluegill on June 15, 2014 at 2:04 PM

Brace for incoming Bmore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yaedon on June 15, 2014 at 2:08 PM

bluegill on June 15, 2014 at 1:32 PM

Those who are against illegal alien amnesty are for exactly the kind of laws they decry everywhere else — laws that would allow the government to manhandle people whose only crime is to want to work — and to keep the work of their own hands.

By the tone of your argument against Noah Rothman, you would really have hated Abraham Lincoln, who was as against the concept of illegal immigration as Noah is. There are very good reasons, rooted in party ideology, as to why Republicans would be for the concept of free immigration. Just in case you missed the “nuance” in Abraham Lincoln’s writing, here it is:

I am not a Know-Nothing. That is certain. How could I be? How can any one who abhors the oppression of negroes, be in favor or degrading classes of white people? Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. As a nation, we began by declaring that “all men are created equal.” We now practically read it “all men are created equal, except negroes” When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read “all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.” When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty — to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocracy [sic].

unclesmrgol on June 15, 2014 at 2:08 PM

HA is trying to broaden their audience…you know like the elite GOP’ers….

d1carter on June 15, 2014 at 2:08 PM

Duh, the climate has always changed, and always will.

Schadenfreude on June 15, 2014 at 2:06 PM

They have a new name for it. It’s called weather……. Someone should let obaME know so he can get madder than hell about it.

VegasRick on June 15, 2014 at 2:09 PM

Boycott the Chamber of Commerce at all levels….

d1carter on June 15, 2014 at 2:11 PM

Duh, the climate has always changed, and always will.

Schadenfreude on June 15, 2014 at 2:06 PM

They have a new name for it. It’s called weather……. Someone should let obaME know so he can get madder than hell about it.

VegasRick on June 15, 2014 at 2:09 PM

…after he reads about it in a newspaper article, of course.

To be followed in two weeks by his complete embracing of the “old news” weather and an angry repudiation of anyone who calls it a controversy.

yaedon on June 15, 2014 at 2:12 PM

There’s a big difference between being pro-free markets and pro-business. The left thinks they’re the same and are against both.

RadClown on June 15, 2014 at 1:46 PM

I think you’re partially wrong here. The left has learned how to co-opt business via regulation, executive fiat (think of GM bondholders getting screwed), favoristism, etc. And big business is more than happy to do whatever the left wants as long as govt keeps printing money for the banks/brokerages, pushes amnesty for Silicon Valley (Zuckerburg, et.al.) and Chamber of Commerce, expands the welfare state for EBT takers ( e.g.Walmart) and card processors (Xerox, Chase), provides new customers and bailouts for health insurers and big pharma, and, of course, ever-present defense contractors (think of Boeing’s big giant “gift” to the Clinton foundation after Hillary shilled for a Boeing contract with some country (name escapes me).

Oh no, the Left is all for big business – as long as its baked in cronyism and carpet-bombing the lobbyists and PACs with bribe….err…campaign cash.

MistyLane on June 15, 2014 at 2:12 PM

Anyone getting ‘ you’re not logged in ‘ message ?

Lucano on June 15, 2014 at 2:16 PM

To be followed in two weeks by his complete embracing of the “old news” weather and an angry repudiation of anyone who calls it a controversy.

yaedon on June 15, 2014 at 2:12 PM

Yep. FOX news, Bush, ATMs, racists……………………….

VegasRick on June 15, 2014 at 2:17 PM

There’s a big difference between being pro-free markets and pro-business. The left thinks they’re the same and are against both.

RadClown on June 15, 2014 at 1:46 PM

…except when big business delivers millions and millions of dollars into Democratic coffers. Then leftist politicians embrace “being pro-business” and are only against “being pro-free markets”…which big business has pretty much always been against.

yaedon on June 15, 2014 at 2:17 PM

Anyone getting ‘ you’re not logged in ‘ message ?

Lucano on June 15, 2014 at 2:16 PM

I got it the other day and a couple of weeks ago. Don’t know why.

VegasRick on June 15, 2014 at 2:18 PM

Paul Ryan lined up behind Labrador.
Schadenfreude on June 15, 2014 at 2:03 PM

Is there any chance we might get a conservative ML? Who are some options?

Is there any HA author who doesn’t support amnesty – Amnesty Ed, Allah, Ham, Benson? Why would Rothman be any different? If Rothman was conservative, Salem never would have hired him.
bw222 on June 15, 2014 at 1:44 PM

In addition to the amnesty issue, Mary Katharine Ham is totally overrated, both as a blogger (has she ever been a “must-read” or influential blogger here?) and as an on-tv personality. Nothing against her personally, but objectively looking at her work, I have to think HotAir could have done a lot better. My vote would have gone to Andrea Tantaros, who is a strong debater on television and an excellent writer.

if the leftist idiots paid attention, the TP started as a response to the Wall St bailout/TARP — not in response to Obama’s skin pigment, as they like to fantasize
thurman on June 15, 2014 at 1:54 PM

Exactly. The TEA Party has been so dishonestly maligned.

bluegill on June 15, 2014 at 2:19 PM

VegasRick on June 15, 2014 at 2:18 PM

Very strange , I thought I pizzed off Noah .

Lucano on June 15, 2014 at 2:22 PM

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. END CRONYISM NOW. Term limits. Balanced budget amendment. Fair/flat tax – I don’t care – pick one. Wipe out the bureaucracy and start over. Unicorn steaks for everyone!

vnvet on June 15, 2014 at 2:22 PM

If Boeing stock prices collapse because Eric Cantor loses a primary, that strongly suggests some level of corruption.

There Goes the Neighborhood on June 15, 2014 at 2:24 PM

Very strange , I thought I pizzed off Noah .

Lucano on June 15, 2014 at 2:22 PM

It is. You are logged in and about to post a comment and poof! “you are not logged in” and your comment goes bye bye. It might have something to do with the moderators killing your post.

VegasRick on June 15, 2014 at 2:27 PM

My vote would have gone to Andrea Tantaros, who is a strong debater on television and an excellent writer.

bluegill on June 15, 2014 at 2:19 PM

Andrea is hotter too.

bw222 on June 15, 2014 at 2:27 PM

So the birth of the Tea Party was not evidence enough? Goes to show you how much the media really paid attention to how and why the Tea Party arose. For them it has always been about president Obama and the presumed racism of the Tea Party. How simplistic of them.

ojfltx on June 15, 2014 at 2:28 PM

If Boeing stock prices collapse because Eric Cantor loses a primary, that strongly suggests some level of corruption.

There Goes the Neighborhood on June 15, 2014 at 2:24 PM

A few years back Boeing was paid over two billion for a “virtual border security system that was completely useless.

bw222 on June 15, 2014 at 2:30 PM

The crony capitalism is intolerable. Business leaders need to appreciate that we’ll protect their right to free enterprise but we will not protect their right to form monopolies backed by government fiat or steal public money to line their pockets.

Why would we? Why would we be so stupid as to give companies the right to control our lives a gun point enforced by the government and then allow those same companies to rob our families at will?

Frankly, this union between our political houses has always been a marriage of convenience. We stood against the socialists and the communists.

But just because we’re against government stealing from us doesn’t mean we’re suddenly okay with corporations stealing from us.

The good corporations need break from the bad and appreciate we wish them no harm. This is entirely about the attempt to control people through the government or the attempt to steal public money.

We don’t want their private property. If a company earned something they can keep it. But if they didn’t earn it but intend to claim it through the government… then that’s a different story.

Karmashock on June 15, 2014 at 2:30 PM

This is not a bad read.

A judgment call is being made across the country, and it is this: “Are you one of us, or have you left us for Washington?”

The elected incumbents who get caught on the wrong side of that question will be upended in this year’s elections. They should serve as a warning to those running for office in 2016, to shed the Washington bubble.

NO chance for Labrador. The fix is in, but it will be short lived. Nov. will shock both parties, as it should…if the fools are not out shopping.

Schadenfreude on June 15, 2014 at 2:30 PM

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