Blue on blue violence in wake of CA teachers union ruling

posted at 9:31 am on June 15, 2014 by Jazz Shaw

Ed covered the initial court ruling last week and some of its potential implications, but the California judge’s decision regarding several teachers union rules involving the constitutionality of tenure has raised a few hackles. The unions are none too happy with some members of their own tribe, including Education Secretary Arne Duncan, and they want you all to know.

In an open letter to Duncan published Thursday night, American Federation of Teachers President Randi Weingarten took the secretary to task for his perceived betrayal.

“This week,” the letter begins, “we needed your leadership; to demonstrate that teacher and student interests are aligned; that we must press—60 years after Brown v. Board—for educational equity; that it takes more than a focus on teachers to improve public education.

“But instead, you added to the polarization. And teachers across the country are wondering why the secretary of education thinks that stripping them of their due process is the way to help all children succeed.”

It’s not immediately obvious that the administration is suddenly seeing the light regarding the insane rules which teachers unions impose to hang on to their power. It is far more likely a case that they’ve simply been following the poll numbers (as usual) and seeing the writing on the wall.

Teachers unions still have too much money and too many members to be counted out. Collectively, they represent 3.8 million workers and retirees. They bring in more than $2 billion a year.

Yet the share of Americans who see teachers unions as a negative influence on public schools shot up to 43 percent last year, up from 31 percent in 2009, according to national polling conducted by Harvard’s Program on Education Policy and Governance and the journal Education Next. By contrast, 32 percent see unions as a positive force, up from 28 percent in 2009, the poll found.

Weingarten has long been the nation’s official Baghdad Bob of education reform, though incredibly more effective than her Iraqi counterpart. She gets trotted out on every news network, print outlet or web space willing to give her the time of day and the message never varies. Teachers are never the problem and all of you Right Wingnuts are just jealous of the power of the unions and all of these problems could be readily resolved if the taxpayers would just give us a boatload more money.

She’s done more interviews than I can count and I’ve yet to see Weingarten give a coherent answer to the still extant problems of the rubber rooms, teachers remaining on the payroll after being charged with sexual abuse of minors and a raft of other issues. And all the while, the answers repeat the mantra of how we’ll be harming the children if we “go after” the teachers. It would be nice to think that the tide is starting to turn on this issue – beginning with the recent events in California – but they’ve been hanging on to that power for a long time and they certainly won’t go gentle into that good night.


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Union panties in a wad. Very entertaining.

Akzed on June 15, 2014 at 9:34 AM

Jazz my friend, eventually everyone goes into that good night. The Teacher’s Unions will be no different.

oscarwilde on June 15, 2014 at 9:38 AM

Union City Blues -Blondie

Flange on June 15, 2014 at 9:38 AM

When my kids were in high school, I was actively involved in achievement committees at their schools, one in CO and one in CA. In CA, I will never forget a new teacher who complained that monitoring student test scores could mean they would be held accountable for student performance. In CO, I encountered good teachers who wanted to give more to the students, but who were constrained by their contracts to not work more hours.

You can’t tell me that teachers’ unions are good for kids. And for the record the two high schools were great schools, not the bad ones we hear a lot about.

COgirl on June 15, 2014 at 9:41 AM

The power of the teacher unions has gone way too far. This was a good first step towards reining them in.

rmkdbq on June 15, 2014 at 9:42 AM

Having seen the LAUSD in action back in the day I can say this is isn’t so much blue-on-blue as it is Brown-on-Black violence, politically speaking. Blacks tend to set up huge fiefdoms in major swaths of local government, education, and sub-contracting wherever they go. Those expressions of black powa are something that the exponentially growing Latino population no longer feels the need to be “in solidarity” with. The liberal White elite (which includes the judges out there) when faced with competing constituencies, chose on the side of demographic ascendancy and future tax returns.

abobo on June 15, 2014 at 9:42 AM

American Federation of Teachers President Randi Weingarten

Maybe Randi was classically trained by the queen of talking points, Mayonnaise Hair, herself.

pain train on June 15, 2014 at 9:45 AM

As soon as the first judge is audited by the IRS, they’ll stop this nonsense. Enjoy it while it lasts.

erp on June 15, 2014 at 9:52 AM

There should be no teacher tenure. Period.
That said, I worry about the bizarre legal convolutions the judge went through to come to the conclusion that it is unconstitutional. What else could you justify on flimsy grounds like this:

Judge Rolf Treu found in Vergara v. California, a case brought by students with the support of education reform advocates and a high-power law firm, that the rules governing tenure and other teachers’ protections violated the state constitution, disproportionately affecting black and Hispanic students and cheating them of a basic education.

Count to 10 on June 15, 2014 at 10:03 AM

And teachers across the country are wondering why the secretary of education thinks that stripping them of their due process is the way to help all children succeed.”

(No, considering the sick conduct of some CA teachers that the union has protected, I could go there but I’m not.)

This is their “tell.” Whenever someone threatens to take away benefits that the vast majority of those in the private sector could only dream of, the unions yell about the “stripping” away of the “rights.”

ncinca on June 15, 2014 at 10:05 AM

the unions yell about the “stripping” away of the “rights.”

ncinca on June 15, 2014 at 10:05 AM

Yet those exact same Union Nazi’s do not hesitate for even so much as a single Planck second to strip parent of their rights. Home Schooling, the Unions vehemently oppose it, Charter Schools, nope, they hate those as well. School Vouchers so you can send your kid to the private school of your choice, not a chance.

oscarwilde on June 15, 2014 at 10:12 AM

Criticizing a Arne Duncan?

Blue-on-blue HOMOPHOBIA!

Why do liberal, unionized teachers hate gay men?

Pork-Chop on June 15, 2014 at 10:12 AM

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Pork-Chop on June 15, 2014 at 10:15 AM

“When schoolchildren start paying union dues, that’s when I’ll start representing the interests of school children.”

– Albert Shanker, one-time President of the AFT and the UFT

“Despite what some among us would like to believe it is not because of our creative ideas. It is not because of the merit of our positions. It is not because we care about children and it is not because we have a vision of a great public school for every child. NEA and its affiliates are effective advocates because we have power.”

And we have power because there are more than 3.2 million people who are willing to pay us hundreds of millions of dollars in dues each year, because they believe that we are the unions that can most effectively represent them, the unions that can protect their rights and advance their interests as education employees.”

This is not to say that the concern of NEA and its affiliates with closing achievement gaps, reducing dropout rates, improving teacher quality and the like are unimportant or inappropriate. To the contrary. These are the goals that guide the work we do. But they need not and must not be achieved at the expense of due process, employee rights and collective bargaining. That simply is too high a price to pay.”

– National Education Association General Counsel, Bob Chanin, in his farewell address.

Resist We Much on June 15, 2014 at 10:18 AM

Immutable Laws of Life on Earth;
1. Any object whose density is greater than the atmosphere, when lifted to a heigth and released, will immediately travel towards the center of the Earth.
2. Anyone who has Power; physical, spiritual, social, economic, political; will use ALL of that power to maintain their position and hold on that power.
3. The exceptions to rule #2; Washington, Eisenhower, Presidents, Cincinatus; are so rare as to be statiscaly insignificant.

thelastminstrel on June 15, 2014 at 10:20 AM

Big Education lost the plot, and will never find it.

22044 on June 15, 2014 at 10:22 AM

60 years after Brown v. Board

Unbelievable.

Yeah, tenure for incompetent teachers is what that ruling envisioned for American education./

These people have no shame. They align themselves with anything that will help them pretend they’re victims.

mankai on June 15, 2014 at 10:24 AM

Paying people for incompetence- it’s the dem way. Just look at obama.

Ta111 on June 15, 2014 at 10:28 AM

Darn, I thought the Lefties were actually beating up on each other.

Don’t get my hopes up like that.

formwiz on June 15, 2014 at 10:29 AM

Isn’t it a comfort to know that such selfish and greedy folks are teaching your kids? Sure teachers union it’s for the kids whenever some affirmative action hire can’t ever be let go even if they suck because they have tenure. Or some perv gets to keep working near kids because they can’t be let go due to some union rule. I think this ruling in California is the beginning of a turning of the tide. Suck it union goons!

neyney on June 15, 2014 at 10:36 AM

Teachers are never the problem and all of you Right Wingnuts are just jealous of the power of the unions and all of these problems could be readily resolved if the taxpayers would just give us a boatload more money.

American public schools used to be excellent. And the top rated state for public schools was…California.

What happened? Hint: it wasn’t tenure.

So, yeah…it’s bullshit.

vlad martel on June 15, 2014 at 10:38 AM

“This week,” the letter begins, “we needed your leadership; to demonstrate that teacher and student interests are aligned; that we must press—60 years after Brown v. Board—for educational equity; that it takes more than a focus on teachers to improve public education.
“But instead, you added to the polarization. And teachers across the country are wondering why the secretary of education thinks that stripping them of their due process is the way to help all children succeed.”

Cognitive dissonance (and BS) at it’s finest, folks…

Newtie and the Beauty on June 15, 2014 at 10:48 AM

Let me use your toothbrush
Have you got a clean shirt?
My panties in a wad
At the bottom of my purse
I walk into the street
The air’s so cool
I’m wired and I’m tired
And I’m grinnin’ like a fool…
– Right Hand Man

mojo on June 15, 2014 at 10:51 AM

Poor things, they have to prove their worth like every other non-union employee in America, I feel a tear coming on….hold on…yep, I’m starting to cr….nope, it was just a sneeze.

Bishop on June 15, 2014 at 10:56 AM

Cognitive dissonance (and BS) at it’s finest, folks…

Newtie and the Beauty on June 15, 2014 at 10:48 AM

Now would be a good time for an Atlanta Rhythm Section vid, yes? You’re slipping.

Bishop on June 15, 2014 at 11:03 AM

This is their “tell.” Whenever someone threatens to take away benefits that the vast majority of those in the private sector could only dream of, the unions yell about the “stripping” away of the “rights.”

ncinca on June 15, 2014 at 10:05 AM

It’s really a tell for all of the left: any benefits and privileges they want (existing or perspective) are stated as “rights” that you are a monster for taking from them.

Count to 10 on June 15, 2014 at 11:05 AM

why don’t you write about this, Jazz.

Be the first. It’s kind of a big deal as thousands pour through. Greyhound buses. Planes. Non-profit groups getting our tax dollars to aid and abed lawlessness.

All orchestrated from on high.

Jeh. Holder. Working together.

See?

Won’t one of you have the balz to write about it?

wolly4321 on June 15, 2014 at 11:09 AM

wolly4321 on June 15, 2014 at 11:09 AM

Don’t rock the boat, bigot, there’s a narrative to follow.

Bishop on June 15, 2014 at 11:13 AM

wolly4321 on June 15, 2014 at 11:09 AM

Because tenure sux. Despite it predating our problems with public schools.

vlad martel on June 15, 2014 at 11:17 AM

This ruling won’t stand.

Having lived in CA my entire life I can attest to the fact that this state has devolved to have a government of, by and for the public employees unions with an assist by environmental and identity-group activists.

The rest of us are just sources of revenue and subjects to be controlled and ruled.

DrDeano on June 15, 2014 at 11:17 AM

Now would be a good time for an Atlanta Rhythm Section vid, yes? You’re slipping.
Bishop on June 15, 2014 at 11:03 AM

Well, the teacher’s union sure missed the boat on this one, didn’t they… ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on June 15, 2014 at 11:21 AM

Having lived in CA my entire life I can attest to the fact that this state has devolved to have a government of, by and for the public employees unions with an assist by environmental and identity-group activists.

DrDeano on June 15, 2014 at 11:17 AM

I thought this was a fight between the public unions and the identity-group activists.

Flange on June 15, 2014 at 11:21 AM

Bishop on June 15, 2014 at 11:03 AM

I thought this might be more the order for the day, though… ;-)

Then this happened

Newtie and the Beauty on June 15, 2014 at 11:23 AM

Blue Communist Red on blue Communist Red violence in wake of CA teachers union ruling

ReWrite™ engaged for pleasing morning smells and accuracy.

Steve Eggleston on June 15, 2014 at 11:23 AM

Having lived in CA my entire life I can attest to the fact that this state has devolved to have a government of, by and for the public employees unions with an assist by environmental and identity-group activists.

The great irony is that this ruling was created through “disparate impact” legal philosophy.

You guys do understand that you’re cheering on a ruling based on “disparate impact” theory?

vlad martel on June 15, 2014 at 11:28 AM

I thought this was a fight between the public unions and the identity-group activists.
Flange on June 15, 2014 at 11:21 AM

It’s rough when the kids are the adults in the room…

Newtie and the Beauty on June 15, 2014 at 11:29 AM

That said, I worry about the bizarre legal convolutions the judge went through to come to the conclusion that it is unconstitutional. What else could you justify on flimsy grounds like this:

Count to 10 on June 15, 2014 at 10:03 AM

Keep in mind that they’re talking about CA’s state constitution, not our Federal one.

Fenris on June 15, 2014 at 11:32 AM

Count to 10 on June 15, 2014 at 10:03 AM

The analysis starts on Page 7…not so convoluted after all.

Newtie and the Beauty on June 15, 2014 at 11:33 AM

Don’t rock the boat, bigot, there’s a narrative to follow Bishop on June 15, 2014 at 11:13 AM

I’m tempted to pull off a hijack.

You would think there would be at least ONE thread on it.

It’s like it’s taboo or something. Do they all have maids from Honduras?

Don’t get me wrong, I like 1/2 cooked coddled eggs as much as the next guy, but weekends here are getting rather lame.

Write about something of import.

I don’t get to talk much during the week, because I have a frigging job.

Come here on the weekend,, and it’s a snoozefest.

wolly4321 on June 15, 2014 at 11:33 AM

Write about something of import.

Dismantling American worker’s rights in favor of the globalist dystopia isn’t “important”?? Hey, man, this is serious business….

Just think of those guys from MS-13 streaming across the border in need of a quality education…you think this should be left to incompetents?

vlad martel on June 15, 2014 at 11:38 AM

I don’t get to talk much during the week, because I have a frigging job.

Come here on the weekend,, and it’s a snoozefest.

wolly4321 on June 15, 2014 at 11:33 AM

I hear ya.

VegasRick on June 15, 2014 at 11:38 AM

A good decision (the tenure court case), but it will NOT solve the problem. The bigger problem is that you will NOT attract good teachers to lousy schools. Not in the numbers required. Fire all the bad ones you want. You’ll have nobody to teach.

The hiring and retention problem is the greater problem for lousy schools, not the firing problem. Sorry, but true.

The unions are none too happy with some members of their own tribe, including Education Secretary Arne Duncan, and they want you all to know.

OH PLEASE SHUT UP, UNIONS! You’re in bed with the Dems. Complaining about this is like religious blacks complaining about Dem support for gay marriage. You voted for ‘em, you got the fleas from ‘em.

xNavigator on June 15, 2014 at 11:50 AM

It’s really a tell for all of the left: any benefits and privileges they want (existing or perspective) are stated as “rights” that you are a monster for taking from them.

Count to 10 on June 15, 2014 at 11:05 AM

Perpetual paychecks on the taxpayer regardless of performance for the taxpayer is not a right.

ConstantineXI on June 15, 2014 at 11:50 AM

A good decision (the tenure court case), but it will NOT solve the problem. The bigger problem is that you will NOT attract good teachers to lousy schools.

And why are the schools “lousy”? Again, California used to have the best in the country.

vlad martel on June 15, 2014 at 12:01 PM

Weingarten thought her ship had finally come in with the arrival of DeBlasio.

Republicans and conservatives in general really need to start coming up with alternatives to the publicly funded education system we now suffer under.
And honestly they should be looking to disrupt liberal constituencies wherever they are. Just like they do to us.

Iblis on June 15, 2014 at 12:04 PM

It’s rough when the kids are the adults in the room…

Newtie and the Beauty on June 15, 2014 at 11:29 AM

Here’s an educational video to help those kids. It’s 50 years old and still accurate.

Flange on June 15, 2014 at 12:06 PM

The CTA here in Ca. is nothing more than an ATM for the Democrat Party.As far as the ruling against them goes, I don’t see it standing.They will pull out all the stops spending millions of dollars in the process to maintan the status quo.Judge shopping is quite the norm here.

jeffinsjvca on June 15, 2014 at 12:08 PM

I don’t get to talk much during the week, because I have a frigging job.
wolly4321 on June 15, 2014 at 11:33 AM

Well that’s your problem right there. You need to get your self an EBT card and Obama-laptop so you can comment from the strip club.

#WINNING

abobo on June 15, 2014 at 12:11 PM

I hear ya. VegasRick on June 15, 2014 at 11:38 AM

I don’t think Jazz lives in our world. I’m sure he’s a nice guy.

Maybe he should start off the weekend by asking us wbat we want to talk about.

That would be a novel idea. It would probably work.

Or just open thread the entire weekend. Pretty much there already.

wolly4321 on June 15, 2014 at 12:11 PM

Weingarten has long been the nation’s official Baghdad Bob Jay Carney of education reform

KOOLAID2 on June 15, 2014 at 12:14 PM

Newtie and the Beauty on June 15, 2014 at 11:23 AM

Thank you, Jazz!

Newtie and the Beauty on June 15, 2014 at 12:15 PM

Wake me up when the LA Times releases that tape they of Barack.

SouthernGent on June 15, 2014 at 12:19 PM

Here’s an educational video to help those kids. It’s 50 years old and still accurate.

Flange on June 15, 2014 at 12:06 PM

Ain’t DAT Da Troof! Thank you, Flange!

Newtie and the Beauty on June 15, 2014 at 12:22 PM

Wake me up when the LA Times releases that tape they of Barack.

SouthernGent on June 15, 2014 at 12:19 PM

Rip Van Winkle……………………

VegasRick on June 15, 2014 at 12:24 PM

Ain’t DAT Da Troof! Thank you, Flange!

Newtie and the Beauty on June 15, 2014 at 12:22 PM

You’re welcome. I stumbled onto this late last night and keep laughing at the guy on his porch asking the cops “Where’s your warrant flatfoot?”

Flange on June 15, 2014 at 12:27 PM

Issue with dems they will turn on eachother at a moments notice.

sorrowen on June 15, 2014 at 12:30 PM

“…teacher and student interests are aligned…”

I just got my first belly laugh of the day.

Meremortal on June 15, 2014 at 12:36 PM

I don’t get to talk much during the week, because I have a frigging job.

Come here on the weekend,, and it’s a snoozefest.

wolly4321 on June 15, 2014 at 11:33 AM

You surprised? It’s the same on facebook. During the week people can get paid to be here, as long as they don’t get caught too often.

On the weekend they are on their own time, doing what they want.

Meremortal on June 15, 2014 at 12:39 PM

Good old public employee unions. Its always interesting to see the mindset of people who talk about worker’s rights yet they are buying off politicians (via votes or cash/time donations) who hire their bureaucrat bosses who negotiate their contracts. Kind of a big conflict of interest there but its all about their rights. Their right to fleece the taxpayers that is.

Remember folks, monopolies are bad unless its a government run monopoly.

oryguncon on June 15, 2014 at 12:42 PM

Wake me up when the LA Times releases that tape they of Barack.

SouthernGent on June 15, 2014 at 12:19 PM

i doubt it exists anymore.

8 weight on June 15, 2014 at 12:47 PM

“When schoolchildren start paying union dues, that’s when I’ll start representing the interests of school children.”

– Albert Shanker, one-time President of the AFT and the UFT

RWM beat me to it. As usual. :)

It’s all about money and keeping the taxpayer gravy train running. People are (slowly) starting to realize this truth. There should be NO PUBLIC SECTOR UNIONS–who represents the taxpayer in such a system?

Doc Holliday on June 15, 2014 at 12:51 PM

First, roll the unions back and then outlaw them.

Mason on June 15, 2014 at 1:59 PM

Won’t one of you have the balz to write about it?

wolly4321

Even if someone did, it would have plenty of the usual dishonest pro-amnesty cliche’s and nonsensical republican talking points sprinkled throughout, and would ultimately conclude that this is yet another reason why we must have amnesty.

In other words, be careful what you wish for.

xblade on June 15, 2014 at 2:03 PM

” Sire !, Sire !… The teachers are revolting !”

“Damn straight, they stink on ice.”

—– adapted from Mel Brooks History of the World Part I

viking01 on June 15, 2014 at 2:03 PM

Let’s see – I left public education about 35 years ago – The following items appear to have disappeared from the classroom:

1 – Daily Pledge of Allegiance
2 – Discipline
3 – Memorization of basic facts and dates (so THEN you can start making decent decisions
4 – Real history (versus the guilt driven drivel in today’s classrooms)
5 – Respect for teachers and students
6 – Physical education standards
7 – Textbooks that taught content instead of social justus jelly
8 – California and Iowa tests that actually measured what students learned.

In summary, we’ve thrown all standards out of the classrooms; waste incredible amounts of time on “feeling good” and ignore what it takes to build a responsible society.

No accountability from teachers or parents. All Susies and Johnnies are just perfect. We have two generations of people who don’t know that 7 x 6 = 42 or the capital of their state or the difference between salt water and lake water.

Remember, the US dies, it’s over. There is no goal to achieve and we will “progress” backwards.

MN J on June 15, 2014 at 2:07 PM

“When schoolchildren start paying union dues, that’s when I’ll start representing the interests of school children.” – Albert Shanker, one-time President of the AFT and the UFT

Shanker was correct to say this. No one was paying his union to represent children. For that, you have school boards and parents and state legislatures who are all empowered to represent children.

Not that I ever favor unionized teachers or unions at all. But if you are going to have a union, this is the only position it can possibly take. As union bosses go, Shanker was always honest and direct in such statements over the years.

Toocon on June 15, 2014 at 2:15 PM

We have two generations of people who don’t know that 7 x 6 = 42

MN J on June 15, 2014 at 2:07 PM

Typical progressive and/or GOPe politician: “7 x 6 = raise taxes and spend more money! What is this 42 of which you speak? Nonsense!” ;)

xNavigator on June 15, 2014 at 2:24 PM

I love it when they eat their own.

locomotivebreath1901 on June 15, 2014 at 3:10 PM

Remember that in places/states where teachers are not required to be in the union to teach, and their dues are not automatically and forcibly taken from their paychecks, membership and the money taken in dues dramatically declines. Maybe many teachers don’t care for the unions either.

Tinker on June 15, 2014 at 3:23 PM

The solution is simple. Close down all the public schools and let parents deal with it.

I’m sure the results will be the same. But we’ll have less to complain about and the Dems will quit getting money from teachers unions for doing nothing to actually help teachers do a better job teaching.

If teachers got at least teenager baby-sitting rates per child, many here would seek such positions. I figured it one time to work out to well over $100,000 per year for the average classroom teacher.

Dr. ZhivBlago on June 15, 2014 at 4:03 PM

Typical progressive and/or GOPe politician: “7 x 6 = raise taxes and spend more money! What is this 42 of which you speak? Nonsense!” ;)

xNavigator on June 15, 2014 at 2:24 PM

42 is the answer. Now you must find the real question. Some hitchhiker once told me.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on June 15, 2014 at 4:29 PM

We have a president who thinks there are 57 states. Clearly he learned that in school.

COgirl on June 15, 2014 at 4:29 PM

How fun… Someone please pass the popcorn!

mmcnamer1 on June 15, 2014 at 4:33 PM

Leftists always forget the old adage: “A twice pulled bowstring will snap.”

I look forward to the day when they scream “homophobe!” and no one comes.

JoseQuinones on June 15, 2014 at 6:19 PM

The problem with public education is public education – the government, school boards, and teachers unions. Until we go to tuition vouchers and eliminate all public schools and get the government out of education so parents can choose the schools they want, public education in the USA will continue to suck.

earlgrey on June 16, 2014 at 10:03 AM

Unions are the problem. We must “go after” poor teachers. Tenure is a licence to do nothing and the cancer in schools. A larger question is if there is any value in public education at all? A bastion for the left, public education in now largely anti-American. Voucher, choice, competition. Gutting the union will do more for good teachers than any other effort.

StevC on June 16, 2014 at 11:21 AM