Time for a special prosecutor on IRS after “lost” e-mails?

posted at 2:31 pm on June 14, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

It’s been more than 400 days since the IRS targeting scandal broke, and longer than that since the Inspector General started its probe of the tax-exempt office and their alleged political bias. Members of Congress had asked IRS officials more than two years ago about puzzling delays in applications from conservative groups. Yet, according to the Obama administration, only yesterday did the IRS get around to confirming that a supposed computer crash had wiped out two years of e-mail history from Lois Lerner and her group, after months of being under subpoena to supply it.

Needless to say, members of Congress aren’t buying this latest dog-ate-my-homework excuse:

Congressional investigators are fuming over revelations that the Internal Revenue Service has lost a trove of emails to and from a central figure in the agency’s tea party controversy.

The IRS said Lois Lerner’s computer crashed in 2011, wiping out an untold number of emails that were being sought by congressional investigators. The investigators want to see all of Lerner’s emails from 2009 to 2013 as part of their probe into the way agents handled applications for tax-exempt status by tea party and other conservative groups. …

“Do they really expect the American people to believe that, after having withheld these emails for a year, they’re just now realizing the most critical time period is missing?” said Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., chairman of the House Oversight Committee. “If there wasn’t nefarious conduct that went much higher than Lois Lerner in the IRS targeting scandal, why are they playing these games?” …

If anyone in the Obama administration outside the agency was involved, investigators were hoping for clues in Lerner’s emails.

“The fact that I am just learning about this, over a year into the investigation, is completely unacceptable and now calls into question the credibility of the IRS’ response to congressional inquiries,” said Rep. Dave Camp, R-Mich., chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee. “There needs to be an immediate investigation and forensic audit by Department of Justice as well as the inspector general.”

This excuse doesn’t even make sense, as anyone who has experience in network and e-mail administration can easily attest. E-mail records aren’t preserved only on individual computers, but on network servers. The relevant files would be kept on the servers or on backup media, which would have data for the whole organization and not just a single user. That was true when I did network administration in the early 1990s, and it’s most certainly even more true now. And it’s especially true in organizations that require data storage and full retrieval capacity by statute — such as federal agencies like the IRS.

If such a crash occurred, it would have affected much more than just Lerner — and would have produced a significant response when it happened. Gabriel Malor wonders where the records of such a failure are:

By the way, the FBI does great work in restoring data from crashed hard drives. They should also be able to restore most if not all of Lois Lerner’s e-mails in and out of the IRS, if the IRS’ nonsensical claims that this data loss only affected Lerner are even remotely true, by drilling into the archives of every other person’s e-mail in Treasury, Justice, and the White House. After all, Lerner didn’t just post notes on a bulletin board, but sent e-mails to others and had replies back from them. I’d bet that the FBI would do that in a significant criminal investigation if necessary, and the IRS would do it in a heartbeat if it suspected a corporation of tax evasion and was told that the emails for one particular executive were “lost.”

Ron Fournier writes that it’s time for a special prosecutor to deal with the Obama administration excuses in the IRS scandal:

A sloppy mistake, the government calls it, but you couldn’t blame a person for suspecting a cover-up — the loss of an untold number of emails to and from the central figure in the IRS tea party controversy. And, because the public’s trust is a fragile gift that the White House has frittered away in a series of second-term missteps, President Obama needs to act.

If the IRS can’t find the emails, maybe a special prosecutor can. …

The White House is stonewalling the IRS investigation. The most benign  explanation is that Obama’s team is politically expedient and arrogant, which makes them desperate to change the subject, and convinced of their institutional innocence. That’s bad enough. But without a fiercely independent investigation, we shouldn’t assume the explanation is benign.

I’m old enough to remember when Karl Rove’s use of his personal e-mail to get around the retention requirements for the Bush administration was bandied about as nearly an impeachable offense. Now we have this laughable excuse for not producing records in a case of abuse of executive power against political opponents of the President. Somehow, it’s a little difficult for people to even consider that the stonewalling is benign, let alone the insult to the intelligence that this excuse is.

I’m also old enough to remember when an 18.5-minute gap on a tape was prima facie evidence of obstruction of justice. So is Roger Kimball, for that matter, who asks which is worse — 18.5 minutes of erased tape, or two years of erased e-mails?

Update: It’s been nearly 20 years since I did any serious network-administration work (outside of call-center systems), but The Blaze has six reasons from a current IT professional why the IRS story is nonsense.


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Well, the FBI will be looking right into this….. in about the year 2020….

sandee on June 14, 2014 at 2:33 PM

If the IRS thinks saying their computer crash is a viable excuse to not comply with the law, then make them live with. Taxpayers would no longer need to pay their taxes because “Hey I paid them, your records must have been erased during the crash” becomes a viable defense.

Flange on June 14, 2014 at 2:34 PM

If it’s in Holder’s hands, what difference does it make.

He is obama’s capo.

Schadenfreude on June 14, 2014 at 2:35 PM

What, Darryl “The Closer” Issa isn’t good enough for ya?

bofh on June 14, 2014 at 2:36 PM

Even tho I don’t believe this excuse for a second, playing along I want to know what disciplinary measures were taken towards those whose job it was to ensure emails were backed up. This is something required by law so who was responsible and were they disciplined, ddemoterd or fired?

Chitownmom on June 14, 2014 at 2:38 PM

OT – when a leftist hag like Ruth Marcus lament Cantor’s loss, you know it’s good for the country.

Schadenfreude on June 14, 2014 at 2:39 PM

If Boehner had a set, funding for the IRS would be cut off, in its entirety, in a vote on Monday. Period. Full stop.
Funding can resume when “not a smidgeon of evidence” is found by a special prosecuter.

MistyLane on June 14, 2014 at 2:39 PM

If the IRS thinks saying their computer crash is a viable excuse to not comply with the law, then make them live with. Taxpayers would no longer need to pay their taxes because “Hey I paid them, your records must have been erased during the crash” becomes a viable defense.

Flange on June 14, 2014 at 2:34 PM

How about:

What? Sure, IRS, I have all of the documentation for every deduction I claimed. Oh wait, sorry! My computer crashed. I guess you’ll just have to take my word that the deductions are valid! M-kay?

yaedon on June 14, 2014 at 2:39 PM

Stall, stall, and forget. Until Boehner gets serious about a special prosecutor, we must be satisfied with the piecemeal performances of a Congressional Committee. Disgusting!

mobydutch on June 14, 2014 at 2:40 PM

When will the country wake up???

Jack_Burton on June 14, 2014 at 2:40 PM

They were not lost merely purposely misplaced…

sorrowen on June 14, 2014 at 2:42 PM

Maybe the dumb and dumber Rs will get lucky and stumble across an IT tech who can explain to them that emails DO NOT get lost traveling through the servers.
That’s the other kind of mail service, the one with the little white trucks.
idiots.

FlaMurph on June 14, 2014 at 2:43 PM

This is the most blatantly false excuse I’ve heard from the administration to date. If the American people allow this obvious lie slide by without holding anyone to account, then the naked oppression we have so long feared is very close at hand.

yaedon on June 14, 2014 at 2:43 PM

I bet the NSA could find every last one of those files.

Rebar on June 14, 2014 at 2:44 PM

Funny. The Federal Government (you know, the same fine folks that brought you the f*cking IRS) forces my industry to keep every scrap of email, lest somebody say something untoward in them.

Government Hypocrisy. But then I repeat myself.

john1schn on June 14, 2014 at 2:44 PM

It’s time for a TAX REVOLT if not a TOTAL REVOLT actually.

DC is never going to prosecute DC. The Republican Establishment is no more interested in stopping the IRS from tyrannizing Conservatives any more than the Democrats.

I’ve already been modifying my behavior and decisions in the past couple years to reduce the amount of activity I do that causes me to pay taxes. Indeed, if I end up losing my job (inevitable as the private sector is intentionally destroyed by this government) I already have a plan in place to continue my trade but do so outside the taxed economy. I’m sure others are doing the same.

ConstantineXI on June 14, 2014 at 2:44 PM

By the way, the FBI does great work in restoring data from crashed hard drives. They should also be able to restore most if not all of Lois Lerner’s e-mails

:IRS, handing over Lerner’s ‘crashed’ hard drive:

“So sorry for the rail spikes through the platters. Oh, and did we mention the acid bath it took for the past few weeks. What a mess that was!”

ROFLCRIMINALIDIOTS.

xNavigator on June 14, 2014 at 2:45 PM

Banana Republic.

Obama has succeeded.

jukin3 on June 14, 2014 at 2:45 PM

DC is never going to prosecute DC. The Republican Establishment is no more interested in stopping the IRS from tyrannizing Conservatives any more than the Democrats.

ConstantineXI on June 14, 2014 at 2:44 PM

Truth. Complete truth.

xNavigator on June 14, 2014 at 2:46 PM

Funny. The Federal Government (you know, the same fine folks that brought you the f*cking IRS) forces my industry to keep every scrap of email, lest somebody say something untoward in them.

Government Hypocrisy. But then I repeat myself.

john1schn on June 14, 2014 at 2:44 PM

After the NSA scandal broke I changed my passwords with every service I have used that collaborates with them (such as Google) to have “BlowMEO” or some variant of inside them. Figure I’m due an audit or a drone strike at any moment…

ConstantineXI on June 14, 2014 at 2:46 PM

Corrupt government.

albill on June 14, 2014 at 2:50 PM

Who knew “fundamental transformation” meant morphing America into a 2nd rate banana republic? Thanks liberals, you must be so proud of what you have reduced the nation to …

Whitey Ford on June 14, 2014 at 2:50 PM

Who knew “fundamental transformation” meant morphing America into a 2nd rate banana republic? Thanks liberals, you must be so proud of what you have reduced the nation to …

Whitey Ford on June 14, 2014 at 2:50 PM

Obama has morphed us into a 4th rate BANANA-LESS “Republic” actually. Just like Kenya.

Third rate is beyond his meager capabilities.

ConstantineXI on June 14, 2014 at 2:53 PM

Obama’s enemies are Boehner’s enemies….

d1carter on June 14, 2014 at 2:57 PM

Of course the e-mails are retrievable. There’s only one reason for the IRS to stonewall the way they have. Because Lois Lerner wasn’t acting alone, but rather in coordination with(and almost certainly at the behest of) members of the Democrat Party all the way up to and including people in the White House. But if irrefutable evidence of this ever got out, it would be a massive scandal that could bring down the Obama Administration and leave the Dems with major egg on their faces for a very long time. So the goal is to simply stall as long as possible. Definitely for at least another 2 1/2 years until Obama is out of office and nothing can be done to him.

Doughboy on June 14, 2014 at 2:57 PM

Obama’s enemies are Boehner’s enemies….

d1carter on June 14, 2014 at 2:57 PM

There is only one party in DC.

And you are never going to fix DC by sending people to DC to do it. Reform will have to be IMPOSED ON DC from without. Look at how corrupted Rand Paul has become before his first term was even completed! Ted Cruz and Mike Lee won’t last either.

ConstantineXI on June 14, 2014 at 3:00 PM

What? Sure, IRS, I have all of the documentation for every deduction I claimed. Oh wait, sorry! My computer crashed. I guess you’ll just have to take my word that the deductions are valid! M-kay?

yaedon on June 14, 2014 at 2:39 PM

There you go, that’s the spirit.

Flange on June 14, 2014 at 3:01 PM

I actually had my work computer’s hard drive wiped because IT put out a bad upgrade. Everything on my hard drive was gone. My emails were safe because they are on the network. The only reason to move your emails from the network to your hard drive and then wipe them from the network is because you don’t want them to be accessible to unfriendlies. Because they implicate you in wrong doing. Prime facie evidence of wrongdoing.

rbj on June 14, 2014 at 3:02 PM

Of course the e-mails are retrievable. There’s only one reason for the IRS to stonewall the way they have. Because Lois Lerner wasn’t acting alone, but rather in coordination with(and almost certainly at the behest of) members of the Democrat Party all the way up to and including people in the White House. But if irrefutable evidence of this ever got out, it would be a massive scandal that could bring down the Obama Administration and leave the Dems with major egg on their faces for a very long time. So the goal is to simply stall as long as possible. Definitely for at least another 2 1/2 years until Obama is out of office and nothing can be done to him.

Doughboy on June 14, 2014 at 2:57 PM

The consequences go far beyond that. It’s more than just Obama at risk here, it’s the whole DC Establishment.

If we were allowed to find out exactly HOW CORRUPT the IRS is and who is connected to it (Obama and virtually every member of the “Nobility” in DC) it will BRING DOWN THIS GOVERNMENT.

The People are willing to tolerate nearly anything, but corruption at that kind of level I think will spark Revolution.

ConstantineXI on June 14, 2014 at 3:02 PM

Of course the e-mails are retrievable. There’s only one reason for the IRS to stonewall the way they have. Because Lois Lerner wasn’t acting alone, but rather in coordination with (and almost certainly at the behest of) members of the Democrat Party all the way up to and including people in the White House. But if irrefutable evidence of this ever got out, it would be a massive scandal that could bring down the Obama Administration and leave the Dems with major egg on their faces for a very long time. So the goal is to simply stall as long as possible. Definitely for at least another 2 1/2 years until Obama is out of office and nothing can be done to him.

Doughboy on June 14, 2014 at 2:57 PM

I LOLed when I heard their excuse. For them to use that childish and ridiculous of a lie, the evidence showing their guilt must be overwhelming. It was a lie of absolute desperation.

non-nonpartisan on June 14, 2014 at 3:05 PM

SPECIAL PROSECUTOR

Is there a sentient being anywhere in any universe that believes the Obama administration will appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the Obama administration?

Impeachment isn’t going to happen, a special prosecutor isn’t going to happen – the worst thing is that it appears highly unlikely that any serious pushback will come from Republican leadership.

We are left to guess WHY? the Republicans are doing next to nothing to combat an Executive branch that has become completely lawless and willing to lie repeatedly about their lawlessness.

pilsener on June 14, 2014 at 3:05 PM

After watching the performance of Obama’s minions before Congress over the last few years, I’m inclined to believe that even a Special Prosecutor would get nothing out of these people. The Republicans might as well go into full “battle mode”: You get nothing from us until 2017 – nothing!

Frank_D on June 14, 2014 at 3:06 PM

You may rest assured that Obama and Holder are personally looking into the missing emails and will leave no crone (Lerner emails) unburned.

MaiDee on June 14, 2014 at 3:06 PM

I actually had my work computer’s hard drive wiped because IT put out a bad upgrade. Everything on my hard drive was gone. My emails were safe because they are on the network. The only reason to move your emails from the network to your hard drive and then wipe them from the network is because you don’t want them to be accessible to unfriendlies. Because they implicate you in wrong doing. Prime facie evidence of wrongdoing.

rbj on June 14, 2014 at 3:02 PM

As a Systems Engineer with 20 years experience, we instruct our users to NEVER store anything of importance on a PC, that we won’t take responsibility for data loss if they keep it there. That’s what the servers are for.

And our servers have redundant hard disk arrays that can tolerate the failure of MULTIPLE DRIVES and still keep operating, and there are two backups even to that… A tape backup on the server itself, and a separate storage array that backs the drive volumes up again.

Any IT Operation that loses data on the scale the IRS has done is an utterly inept and incompetent one. Then again, in my previous “life” working for a company that offered IT services and also did services for government agencies, I got to deal with government IT personnel quite a lot and I am intimately familiar with the caliber of talent that works in IT for government.

As you might expect they aren’t the best nor brightest, but are the dumbest and laziest.

ConstantineXI on June 14, 2014 at 3:07 PM

I meant only to strike this.

Because Lois Lerner wasn’t acting alone, but rather in coordination with (and almost certainly at the behest of) members of the Democrat Party all the way up to and including people in the White House.

Doughboy on June 14, 2014 at 2:57 PM

non-nonpartisan on June 14, 2014 at 3:07 PM

Most corrupt administration ever. Unfortunately, there is no one with any ethics in the “Department of Justice” to bring Obama and Company to heel.

GarandFan on June 14, 2014 at 3:07 PM

All of them are stonewalling and biding their time because soon they will be running a dictatorship and won’t have to answer for anything they do.

crankyoldlady on June 14, 2014 at 3:10 PM

Most corrupt administration ever. Unfortunately, there is no one with any ethics in the “Department of Justice” to bring Obama and Company to heel.

GarandFan on June 14, 2014 at 3:07 PM

Clearly there needs to be a separate proprietorial authority that provides a check and balance on corruption in the DCDOJ. Perhaps a coalition of States Attorney Generals who would have the authority to prosecute Feds for Federal crimes.

ConstantineXI on June 14, 2014 at 3:11 PM

This tells me that when email is subpoenaed SOP is to go to the individual’s computer, delete incriminating evidence, and turn the remaining over. When it should be to go to the backups and turn over everything. But in this case, pretty much everything was incriminating, so the normal SOP wouldn’t work.

Fenris on June 14, 2014 at 3:12 PM

All of them are stonewalling and biding their time because soon they will be running a dictatorship and won’t have to answer for anything they do.

crankyoldlady on June 14, 2014 at 3:10 PM

They might do that, but they won’t be dictating to much of the country. DC, the Northeast, the huge cities, and the coasts maybe. But not much of the interior.

Our first Revolution was won by citizens with deer rifles. The second one will be fought similarly.

ConstantineXI on June 14, 2014 at 3:12 PM

I hope you are right but are they ready. And the bad guys have operatives everywhere. Remember the park police?

crankyoldlady on June 14, 2014 at 3:15 PM

I have to laugh when anyone talks about congessional action, special prosecutors, etc.

crankyoldlady on June 14, 2014 at 3:16 PM

If the House wants responsiveness it can just suspend the ability of all the Contracting Officers to spend money in the IRS. Heck do it for all of Treasury. To include travel.

That would hit not just the big stuff, like Obamacare, but the everyday stuff like office supplies. A lot of stuff is bought on contract and each Contract Officer has a certificate from the US House on their ability to spend money for the government. Only the US House can delegate that…

Give the IRS a message: you survive on what you have right now until you comply with the requests of the US House.

Make it about the much beloved IRS.

Give Treasury the major hint that it needs to perform proper oversight.

And let every other part of the government know that if they try to help the IRS, they will also find their contract spending ability suspended.

There are ways to hold them accountable from the House.

Too bad there are no guts to do it. That is how you get tyranny: good men sitting by and doing nothing.

ajacksonian on June 14, 2014 at 3:17 PM

Remember those 18 minutes of missing Nixon audio tape? I think it’s a high probability that Obama is implicated in those missing emails.

Blue Collar Todd on June 14, 2014 at 3:18 PM

Funny. The Federal Government (you know, the same fine folks that brought you the f*cking IRS) forces my industry to keep every scrap of email, lest somebody say something untoward in them.

Government Hypocrisy. But then I repeat myself.

john1schn on June 14, 2014 at 2:44 PM

Oh, they’re required to as well, as if we needed proof. And they probably do it too. It’s not hypocrisy so much as lying.

Fenris on June 14, 2014 at 3:18 PM

There are ways to hold them accountable from the House.

Too bad there are no guts to do it. That is how you get tyranny: good men sitting by and doing nothing.

ajacksonian on June 14, 2014 at 3:17 PM

I think it’s too late now for any of that.

crankyoldlady on June 14, 2014 at 3:19 PM

is that a picture of dana perinos dog? obama will eat him for breakfast!

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on June 14, 2014 at 3:21 PM

I think it’s too late now for any of that.

crankyoldlady on June 14, 2014 at 3:19 PM

We cannot find out since it will not be tried.

Thus civilized ways fall to the wayside, because no one has the guts to be civilized and act civilized.

ajacksonian on June 14, 2014 at 3:21 PM

I hope you are right but are they ready. And the bad guys have operatives everywhere. Remember the park police?

crankyoldlady on June 14, 2014 at 3:15 PM

The Obama Regime has clearly been preparing for some sort of revolutionary scenario, one which is provoked in such a way that the military establishment won’t be able to be trusted or counted upon to put it down.

At the same time, they have begun purging the military of generals, officers, even sergeants that put their loyalty to the Oath they took over that of the current political establishment. But that won’t be effective for a generation (if not more) because the generals, colonels, captains, and sergeants they “purge” are still with us, still of service age, and will still be around when all this begins.

What Obama signaled he was going to do when he made his remark about creating a Civil Defense “Corpse” that “is as well funded as the military” was that he was going to create an ALTERNATIVE to the military for Domestic use that is UNBOUND by the oaths every officer and enlisted man in the Military take.

And he’s built “that”. Every agency in the DC alphabet soup now have “SWAT teams” of militarized police, pseudo soldiers that lack the training or professionalism of Military, who will take orders and act against any Citizen their bosses wish them to.

The problem here is these bully-boys won’t be able to do everything at 3AM with overwhelming force and surprise. They will have to actually fight a never-ending insurgent war against a hostile population that is armed, PLUS face opposition of trained military veterans who actually ARE professional soldiers whereas they aren’t.

ConstantineXI on June 14, 2014 at 3:23 PM

If the House wants responsiveness it can just suspend the ability of all the Contracting Officers to spend money in the IRS. Heck do it for all of Treasury. To include travel…

…There are ways to hold them accountable from the House.

Too bad there are no guts to do it. That is how you get tyranny: good men sitting by and doing nothing.

ajacksonian on June 14, 2014 at 3:17 PM

If they did that (they won’t, of course, but if they did), then Obama would behave as he did during the recent faux-government shutdown. That is, he’d spend extra money just to make things more inconvenient for the country. That would be illegal, you say? Obama doesn’t care. He’d be shutting down entire industries holding up permitting, and sending in SWAT teams to enforce it.

Fenris on June 14, 2014 at 3:23 PM

This laughable excuse will fail spectacularly — if it’s covered by the MSM. I can’t find this story on USA Today.

Pythagoras on June 14, 2014 at 3:23 PM

No, what we need is tar, feathers, and public hangings of political hacks.

SouthernGent on June 14, 2014 at 3:24 PM

When will the country wake up???

Jack_Burton on June 14, 2014 at 2:40 PM

Sadly, with the opiates of the Kim and whats-his-face show, Survivor-wherever, and courts-out-the-wazoo TV shows, the country is predominantly off in La-La land. Maybe permanently, who knows?

Meanwhile Emperor Nero plays more golf while Rome, or wherever, burns.

Oh, wait. Did that amount to sarcasm in the eyes of the SS and their software requisition? Oops.

Infidelius on June 14, 2014 at 3:25 PM

Time for a special prosecutor on IRS after “lost” e-mails?

you are acting like we have a justice department

entagor on June 14, 2014 at 3:26 PM

No, what we need is tar, feathers, and public hangings of political hacks.

SouthernGent on June 14, 2014 at 3:24 PM

Don’t forget the lamposts. An American Tradition that we need to consider bringing back.

The punishment for corruption in government needs to be swift, severe, and unequivocal.

ConstantineXI on June 14, 2014 at 3:26 PM

Oh, wait. Did that amount to sarcasm in the eyes of the SS and their software requisition? Oops.

Infidelius on June 14, 2014 at 3:25 PM

There are many things that could be the spark that touches this powder-keg off, and the IRS corruption scandal is only one of them.

For one thing, we are headed for $5 gas this summer thanks to Barack The Magnificent’s foreign policy blunders. Our economy starts to die around $4/gallon (we’ve seen this over and over in recent years), at $5 it might completely collapse.

ConstantineXI on June 14, 2014 at 3:29 PM

Heh. The dog ate the dog that bit Lois Lerner.

How convenient.

Key West Reader on June 14, 2014 at 3:29 PM

“There needs to be an immediate investigation and forensic audit by Department of Justice as well as the inspector general.”

…the Republicans who stood in line and approved Eric Holder for Attorney General…despite his background should all be gathered together at a press conference demanding it!…………..what?….oh?…why not?

KOOLAID2 on June 14, 2014 at 3:29 PM

Remember how Elijah Cummings reacted when Issa released the emails that showed him collaborating with the IRS in the harassment and suppression of the TEA Party groups? He went from being a bombthrower who was obstructing the committee’s work in every conceivable way to near silence.

He knew what was in the emails that hadn’t been released yet. He was wetting his pants.

There is only one explanation for this preposterous attempt to prevent the emails from getting out: The fire they will take for this gambit isn’t as hot as the fire they would take if the emails got out.

Those emails implicate top Democrats and the White House in criminal abuse of IRS authority in the effort to tilt an election their way, political kryponite for Obama and the Democrats. Count on it.

novaculus on June 14, 2014 at 3:30 PM

As I’ve said before – this is a calculated insult. There’s not a hint of credibility to this excuse and not even a whiff of an expectation that anyone’s going to believe it.

It’s a dare. It’s a poke in the chest and a “we dare you”.

This administration already assumes that it can get away with almost anything; if they get away with this, if the House lets this one fumble and stumble along in the courts for months, past November 2014, past November 2016, the administration has won.

JEM on June 14, 2014 at 3:31 PM

…Nero golfs…instead of fiddles.

KOOLAID2 on June 14, 2014 at 3:31 PM

Special prosecutor. Did the server on which the mail was backed up crash too? Are the backup tapes in the salt mine lost as well? Maybe it was just an unfortunate coincidence that all potential copies of those mesages just vanished into thin air, hmmmm.

This is the administration Nixon wished he had. Corruptocrats at their worst. Criminals.

Philly on June 14, 2014 at 3:34 PM

Those emails implicate top Democrats and the White House in criminal abuse of IRS authority in the effort to tilt an election their way, political kryponite for Obama and the Democrats. Count on it.

novaculus on June 14, 2014 at 3:30 PM

They might rise to the level of being absolute and irrefutable proof that the 2012 elections were as illegitimate as Obama’s birth, and create a political crisis of the type that isn’t supposed to be seen outside the Turd World.

As nice as it is to imagine Mooch having to speak to her husband through glass the rest of his life, I doubt it happens that way.

You are absolutely right of course. This does mean that whatever is contained in these e-mails is worse than the fire they are going to take for this pathetic excuse. And that means they are NUCLEAR.

ConstantineXI on June 14, 2014 at 3:35 PM

As I’ve said before – this is a calculated insult. There’s not a hint of credibility to this excuse and not even a whiff of an expectation that anyone’s going to believe it.

It’s a dare. It’s a poke in the chest and a “we dare you”.

This administration already assumes that it can get away with almost anything; if they get away with this, if the House lets this one fumble and stumble along in the courts for months, past November 2014, past November 2016, the administration has won.

JEM on June 14, 2014 at 3:31 PM

I didn’t see it as a dare. I saw it as a last-ditch effort by extremely frightened children who couldn’t come up with a better excuse at the moment.

non-nonpartisan on June 14, 2014 at 3:36 PM

If they did that (they won’t, of course, but if they did), then Obama would behave as he did during the recent faux-government shutdown. That is, he’d spend extra money just to make things more inconvenient for the country. That would be illegal, you say? Obama doesn’t care. He’d be shutting down entire industries holding up permitting, and sending in SWAT teams to enforce it.

Fenris on June 14, 2014 at 3:23 PM

I’m sure he would try, yes.

Unfortunately everyone who is a government employee is being paid. All the in-house functions would continue. It is just all the stuff that gets farmed out that would be suspended. Sad that the travel industry would lose all those government employees jetting around, but them’s the breaks.

And think of it: if the US government can’t handle any of its jobs on its own, then, really, why do we have them around at all? Park rangers would still get paid. So would IRS employees.

Now the Senior Executive Service, all the civilians appointed to run agencies underneath the various cabinet officers, those are on contract. Wouldn’t that be fun to see all of those high level people who aren’t cabinet officers but who do run agencies getting their pay suspended? Sure Obama can try and make it a pain for everyone else.

But the high level contract employees running the government? I be you Obama gets an earful from them.

Again, it would take civilized members of the House to carry this out in a majority. No need for anyone else as this is the power of the House: the power of the purse. And the certificate on the wall of every Contract Officer is a reminder of that power.

ajacksonian on June 14, 2014 at 3:36 PM

Somewhere in China or Russia, there is a hacker who can help, right ?

burrata on June 14, 2014 at 3:39 PM

It’s a dare. It’s a poke in the chest and a “we dare you”.

This administration already assumes that it can get away with almost anything; if they get away with this, if the House lets this one fumble and stumble along in the courts for months, past November 2014, past November 2016, the administration has won.

JEM on June 14, 2014 at 3:31 PM

I think Obama has been trying to deliberately provoke armed rebellion for at least the last two years.

At some point, such a thing might be necessary (we have two instruments in our Constitution for dealing with out of control lawless government, Article V and Amendment II). But I think that Obama (or at least his handlers like Soros) thinks that such a thing is necessary to give them the excuse to COMPLETE the transformation into Dictatorship…

As I have been saying, the miscalculation is that the American People, will ACCEPT a dictatorship under any circumstances, especially when we have the means to defeat it (300 million privately owned firearms).

Everything about the Obama Regime is a story of rushing ahead into something premature, and it’s happening because the man behind it (George Soros) is closer to his Expiration Date than an Obamapromise. His life’s goal has been the destruction of the American Republic, but he’s out of time. Which is why Obama is having to rush GENERATIONS of acts into a mere 8 years.

And that rushing is what will cause it to fail, ultimately.

ConstantineXI on June 14, 2014 at 3:40 PM

For one thing, we are headed for $5 gas this summer thanks to Barack The Magnificent’s foreign policy blunders. Our economy starts to die around $4/gallon (we’ve seen this over and over in recent years), at $5 it might completely collapse.

ConstantineXI on June 14, 2014 at 3:29 PM

Obama’s good fortune is all the extra money being printed and the skyrocketing market that’s keeping him alive politically. Oil soars and ignites inflation to blow all that away… complements of ISIS on the run to Baghdad.

gracie on June 14, 2014 at 3:40 PM

And he’s built “that”. Every agency in the DC alphabet soup now have “SWAT teams” of militarized police, pseudo soldiers that lack the training or professionalism of Military, who will take orders and act against any Citizen their bosses wish them to.

The problem here is these bully-boys won’t be able to do everything at 3AM with overwhelming force and surprise. They will have to actually fight a never-ending insurgent war against a hostile population that is armed, PLUS face opposition of trained military veterans who actually ARE professional soldiers whereas they aren’t.

ConstantineXI on June 14, 2014 at 3:23 PM

I hope everyone sees what is happening and is preparing. I can’t see real military people ignoring this situation. I’m not talking about the political correctness brigade that used to be called an army.

crankyoldlady on June 14, 2014 at 3:43 PM

Obama’s good fortune is all the extra money being printed and the skyrocketing market that’s keeping him alive politically. Oil soars and ignites inflation to blow all that away… complements of ISIS on the run to Baghdad.

gracie on June 14, 2014 at 3:40 PM

When the Dollar collapses due to all that (and it could collapse at any moment honestly) it’s not going to be safe for any person from the top to the bottom of the DC Regime to appear in public without being surrounded by a regiment of security.

Without the Dollar how will they pay those armies?

ConstantineXI on June 14, 2014 at 3:44 PM

novaculus on June 14, 2014 at 3:30 PM

There is video evidence of Cummings implicating himself. Something along the lines that he wasn’t going to bring a noose to his own hanging.

You Tube it.

Key West Reader on June 14, 2014 at 3:45 PM

Elijah Cummings. hehe

Key West Reader on June 14, 2014 at 3:46 PM

but The Blaze has six reasons from a current IT professional why the IRS story is nonsense.

I’m expecting a strong rebuttal of this article from that google guy who hangs out in the WH , or Zukerberg, or at least Biden , you know actual techies native to Hussein ‘s lacy panties .

burrata on June 14, 2014 at 3:49 PM

Cummings.

Key West Reader on June 14, 2014 at 3:49 PM

Obstruction

OF

Justice

TX-96 on June 14, 2014 at 3:50 PM

MORE Elijah Cummings

Key West Reader on June 14, 2014 at 3:50 PM

I hope everyone sees what is happening and is preparing. I can’t see real military people ignoring this situation. I’m not talking about the political correctness brigade that used to be called an army.

crankyoldlady on June 14, 2014 at 3:43 PM

Get yourself a rifle. It doesn’t have to be an expensive one. Practice with it, get good with it. That is the duty of ALL American Citizens. Everyone is part of the Militia, that’s why the 2nd Amendment was written the way it was.

SWAT teams are armed with everything from semiautomatic pistols to submachine guns to AR-15′s. Guess what? A .30 caliber rifle (.30-06 or .308) has twice the reach of those weapons, and will penetrate any sort of fancy body armor (body armor against true rifle calibers is impractical due to the weight).

If you live in a large city, your first goal should be TO GET THE HELL OUT. Cities will be zones of mass death the day the EBT dies. Your odds of survival more than triple every 20 miles away from a large urban center you get…

Store food. Store water. Stock up on the means to make food and water.

It’s more complicated than that, of course, but there are the basics.

ConstantineXI on June 14, 2014 at 3:51 PM

How about a full and complete data and assets audit of the IRS?

By at least two outside firms.

To include everyone from the cabinet level officers for Treasury all the way down to the lowest GS level grunt at the IRS.

Because if they are losing 2 years of emails over a simple hard drive failure, then this is just the merest snowflake on the very tip of a huge iceberg. Really, the IRS needs to be audited.

ajacksonian on June 14, 2014 at 3:51 PM

How about a full and complete data and assets audit of the IRS?

By at least two outside firms.

To include everyone from the cabinet level officers for Treasury all the way down to the lowest GS level grunt at the IRS.

Because if they are losing 2 years of emails over a simple hard drive failure, then this is just the merest snowflake on the very tip of a huge iceberg. Really, the IRS needs to be audited.

ajacksonian on June 14, 2014 at 3:51 PM

Also , until the forensic audit of IRS and VA is completed and every criminal is in jail under RICO, NO one pays taxes and NO one gets free IRS money.

burrata on June 14, 2014 at 3:54 PM

Because if they are losing 2 years of emails over a simple hard drive failure, then this is just the merest snowflake on the very tip of a huge iceberg. Really, the IRS needs to be audited.

ajacksonian on June 14, 2014 at 3:51 PM

The State Department lost $6 BILLION Dollars they can’t account for while Hildabeast was SOS alone.

Imagine how much money the IRS, which handles every incoming Dollar the government gets is losing every year? I doubt they outperform other government departments in efficiency by much if anything…

ConstantineXI on June 14, 2014 at 3:55 PM

So, did Barry already have a heads-up on this just announced information when he made his “not a smidgeon of evidence” remark in the
interview with Bill O’Reilly?

Sandcastlevirtues on June 14, 2014 at 3:55 PM

No, what we need is tar, feathers, and public hangings of political hacks.

SouthernGent on June 14, 2014 at 3:24 PM

Careful. We’ve had posters banned for those exact same words.

Barred on June 14, 2014 at 3:56 PM

So, did Barry already have a heads-up on this just announced information when he made his “not a smidgeon of evidence” remark in the
interview with Bill O’Reilly?

Sandcastlevirtues on June 14, 2014 at 3:55 PM

From a “certain point of view” Obama’s statement was the truth.

There actually ISNT a “smidgen” of corruption in the IRS. Just the opposite. There is (at best) only a “smidgen” of the IRS THAT IS NOT CORRUPT!!!

ConstantineXI on June 14, 2014 at 3:56 PM

The FBI reports to Holder.

It’s like asking Goebbels to investigate Hitler.

Schadenfreude on June 14, 2014 at 3:57 PM

Because if they are losing 2 years of emails over a simple hard drive failure, then this is just the merest snowflake on the very tip of a huge iceberg. Really, the IRS needs to be audited.

ajacksonian on June 14, 2014 at 3:51 PM

Too late.

The VA system’s computers are so out of date that they brought in contractors to figure it out – and they cannot. Another subject, another day.

Unfortunately, for Miss Lois Lerner, IRS records are forever. She might claim the IRS dawg ate her homework, but … well. Lois Lerner’s emails were stored and archived. I’d hate to think that the Obama Administration just de-pants a female comrade.

What a shame that the women in Obama’s Administration lack integrity.

Key West Reader on June 14, 2014 at 3:57 PM

If, with WH and DOJ assistance, the IRS has successfully destroyed all documentation detrimental to Lerner (or Obama) they will eventually, grudgingly, acquiesce to an independent counsel. Since, presumably, all documentation is destroyed and all tracks covered, there is NO EVIDENCE to uncover. After spinning wheels for a few months,investigators will find zilch, nada, 0 and the Administration’s running dogs in the media will scream “COSTLY, TIME WASTING TEA PARTY WITCH HUNT!!!” and the public will believe them.

MaiDee on June 14, 2014 at 3:59 PM

Unfortunately, for Miss Lois Lerner, IRS records are forever. She might claim the IRS dawg ate her homework, but … well. Lois Lerner’s emails were stored and archived. I’d hate to think that the Obama Administration just de-pants a female comrade.

What a shame that the women in Obama’s Administration lack integrity.

Key West Reader on June 14, 2014 at 3:57 PM

What is even worse is that we don’t have a news media that is interested in doing some investigative reporting on this even in the slightest. Sharyl Attkisson was, but look where that got her?

Has it occurred to any reporter to do a little dumpster diving for smashed hard drives and server equipment at the IRS building in Cincinnati or the HQ in DC?

ConstantineXI on June 14, 2014 at 4:01 PM

Key West Reader on June 14, 2014 at 3:45 PM

That was Clyburn with the “noose” comment. That contemptible race hustler never misses an opportunity to portray political opposition as a racist lynch mob.

novaculus on June 14, 2014 at 4:01 PM

I have no confidence in a special prosecutor appointed by Eric Holder. He’s a crook through and through since before he was Clinton’s bag man.

Just subpoena the IT techs from IRS and make them testify under oath and on TV. See how far they will risk prison to lie for Lerner and Obama.

Those emails must be the smoking guns linking the scheme to the White House.

Adjoran on June 14, 2014 at 4:02 PM

We entered it long ago. But now we’re in the heart of Banana Republic territory.

The Watergate scandal took Nixon down for two reasons: The media hammered him on it, and his own party wouldn’t give him a pass when he doubled down on the outrages.

Obama has survived multiple scandals worse than Watergate, scandals with body counts, because of the press’ incompetence/corruption and Democrats’ craven prioritization of their political power.

FishingwFredo on June 14, 2014 at 4:03 PM

Key West Reader on June 14, 2014 at 3:50 PM

Less, please.

…altho I do enjoy his holier than thou racist tirades…thank God at least LL is a really really white lady female.

gracie on June 14, 2014 at 4:05 PM

When I watched the video of Chavetz asking about the Lerner Emails, it was painfully obvious that the administration was concerned what was on them and had ZERO intention of giving her Emails any time soon and was going to “redact” a ton of it when and if they ever did. It was CLEAR they had something to hide.

Their is a smoking gun out there, the question is if we have the desire to get it and will the American people care that their President used the IRS to “get” the Tea Party?

KMav on June 14, 2014 at 4:06 PM

What is even worse is that we don’t have a news media that is interested in doing some investigative reporting on this even in the slightest. Sharyl Attkisson was, but look where that got her?

Has it occurred to any reporter to do a little dumpster diving for smashed hard drives and server equipment at the IRS building in Cincinnati or the HQ in DC?

ConstantineXI on June 14, 2014 at 4:01 PM

Rest your weary head. All of her emails are archived, readily discoverable.

Hiding evidence just makes her more vulnerable. She’s not just getting thrown under the bus, she’s getting her azz thrown in jail. Bummer, this war on wimmenz.

Key West Reader on June 14, 2014 at 4:08 PM

novaculus on June 14, 2014 at 3:30 PM

That’s pretty much what I said on the other thread.

I have a lot of experience in this arena and Ed is correct. Those emails are not “erased.” The IRS IS LYING.

It’s time for a real prosecutor. The corruption has to end. The folks running the IRS MUST GO TO PRISON.

dogsoldier on June 14, 2014 at 4:08 PM

Those emails must be the smoking guns linking the scheme to the White House.

Adjoran on June 14, 2014 at 4:02 PM

They’d have to have been incredibly stupid to put it in email. In many ways, email is more permanent than putting it on paper…

I can shred a piece of paper. You can’t destroy email even by putting the PC and server through a shredder…

ConstantineXI on June 14, 2014 at 4:08 PM

Just razzin the masses.

Love ya’ll

Key West Reader on June 14, 2014 at 4:10 PM

More razzin’

Key West Reader on June 14, 2014 at 4:11 PM

They’d have to have been incredibly stupid to put it in email. In many ways, email is more permanent than putting it on paper…

I can shred a piece of paper. You can’t destroy email even by putting the PC and server through a shredder…

ConstantineXI on June 14, 2014 at 4:08 PM

Look at what’s already come out of the IRS emails. What they’re withholding is worse.

Obama and his admin are not geniuses. They don’t think very far ahead.

non-nonpartisan on June 14, 2014 at 4:12 PM

That was Clyburn with the “noose” comment. That contemptible race hustler never misses an opportunity to portray political opposition as a racist lynch mob.

novaculus on June 14, 2014 at 4:01 PM

His head is so fat and he’s so bug-eyed that it looks as if he has one around his neck…and when he starts blathering it’s like the saliva can’t stay in his mouth either.
Wasn’t his daughter the one that was going to go into newsrooms to make sure they were getting the AA, Lib and Democratic truth out on the airways? That got shut down for the time being.

gracie on June 14, 2014 at 4:13 PM

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