Quotes of the day

posted at 8:21 pm on June 13, 2014 by Allahpundit

Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), issued a rare audio message back on January 21 in which he flatly stated his group’s intention to march on Baghdad and move into “direct confrontation” with the United States.

“Our last message is to the Americans. Soon we will be in direct confrontation, and the sons of Islam have prepared for such a day,” Baghdadi said. “So watch, for we are with you, watching.”

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Florida’s Rubio delivered a lengthy floor speech on Thursday arguing that “the choice before us will be whether we take action now, or we take action later.” He warned that ignoring the chaos in the country, which U.S. troops withdrew from in 2011 after years of war, raised the risk that it would turn into a safe haven for terrorists who could threaten America and its allies…

Meanwhile, Kentucky’s Paul, a libertarian-leaning politician, expressed deep reservations about renewed American military involvement in Iraq, and outlined concerns that Congress wouldn’t be sufficiently consulted before action was taken.

“I hate that Mosul is falling, but I also think that for 10 years we have supplied the Iraqis and they can’t stand up and do anything to defend their country, and it is all up to us?” he said during questions to a panel before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

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Hillary Clinton said the United States should not provide military assistance – particularly airstrikes – to the Iraqi government “at this time” in response to the rise of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria and other militants…

“That is not a role for the United States,” Clinton said. “There needs to be a number of steps that [Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al] Maliki and his government must take to demonstrate that he is committed to an inclusive Iraq, something he has not done up to date.”

Clinton also said that the Iraqi Army – “which has not been able to hold territory” – needs “an injection of discipline and professionalism” before any help could be considered.

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The prime minister and his ruling party have behaved like thugs, excluding the Sunnis from power, using the army, police forces and militias to terrorize their opponents. The insurgency the Maliki government faces today was utterly predictable because, in fact, it happened before. From 2003 onward, Iraq faced a Sunni insurgency that was finally tamped down by Gen. David Petraeus, who said explicitly at the time that the core element of his strategy was political, bringing Sunni tribes and militias into the fold. The surge’s success, he often noted, bought time for a real power-sharing deal in Iraq that would bring the Sunnis into the structure of the government…

But how did Maliki come to be prime minister of Iraq? He was the product of a series of momentous decisions made by the Bush administration. Having invaded Iraq with a small force — what the expertTom Ricks called “the worst war plan in American history” — the administration needed to find local allies. It quickly decided to destroy Iraq’s Sunni ruling establishment and empower the hard-line Shiite religious parties that had opposed Saddam Hussein. This meant that a structure of Sunni power that had been in the area for centuries collapsed. These moves — to disband the army, dismantle the bureaucracy and purge Sunnis in general — might have been more consequential than the invasion itself…

Washington is debating whether airstrikes or training forces would be more effective, but its real problem is much larger and is a decade in the making. In Iraq, it is defending the indefensible.

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The Iraqi security forces don’t have troops capable of relaying detailed targeting information, which would likely require the Pentagon or the CIA to send small numbers of American personnel into Iraq to handle that difficult mission. Without adequate ground intelligence, the United States could run the risk of accidentally killing Iraqi security forces or, even worse, civilians.

“Airstrikes are tricky,” Matthew Henman, head of IHS Jane’s Terrorism and Insurgency Center, said. “In an urban environment, they can become indiscriminate, resulting in civilians killed and infrastructure damaged.”…

“The one thing the government and the West can’t do is further alienate the Sunni population in the north and west [by accidentally killing Sunnis in errant airstrikes],” Henman said. “Otherwise, any U.S. involvement would be easily construed and utilized for ISIS propaganda.”

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This situation makes me think I was wrong when I supported the idea of having a small “residual force” of perhaps 10,000 troops based near Baghdad to support the Iraqi government and to discourage coups. If we had troops there now, we would be facing the choice of pulling them out under fire or reinforcing them, two equally unpalatable choices.

No, I don’t think we should do airstrikes. The last thing we need is American pilots being held prisoner by the new guys. And where would you base your combat search & rescue helicopters, and what do you do when one of them gets show down? I don’t think Obama faces hard choices in Iraq.

The one interesting suggestion I’ve heard is that the U.S. government make military aid to Iraq dependent on Maliki stepping down. But I think Iran has more say in that than we do.

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I’ve long argued that the only thing that would force Maliki to change his ways would be his perception that his survival depended on it. When U.S. troops were fighting his war and securing his rule, he consistently refused to make the political accommodations that his U.S. advisers pushed upon him. After U.S. troops left, he enjoyed sufficient political strength and military security to strike the kind of political deal that could have consolidated a legitimate Iraqi order. Instead, he moved to consolidate his personal power and punish Sunni political opponents. When he went to Washington seeking military and political support in October 2013 amidst an escalating insurgency and political tensions, he could have taken the opportunity to change course before it was too late.

Maliki might now, for the first time, feel real pressure, which could force real concessions. His first instinct, naturally, has been to try to use the crisis to expand his power by calling an emergency session of parliament to pass a truly objectionable emergency law, which would give the prime minister virtually untrammeled dictatorial powers. Iraq’s parliament might be able to thwart that particular power grab (it could not muster a quorum in today’s first attempt). But it’s clear that his political instincts remain unchanged.

Maliki wants U.S. military aid, from helicopters to airstrikes, to fight the ISIS advance. Many in Washington will want to offer assistance to save Iraq from complete collapse. But at the same time, U.S. policymakers understand from painful experience that such military aid will simply enable Maliki’s autocratic sectarianism and allow him to avoid making any serious concessions. Yes, the United States should try to use this moment of leverage to attach political conditions to any military aid. But such leverage is going to face an obvious problem: It will be virtually impossible to force any meaningful political moves in the midst of an urgent crisis, and any promises made now will quickly be forgotten once the crisis has passed.

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Broadened tools, soft power, carrots and sticks in the form of sanctions, and international law are the means by which liberal internationalists such as Obama limit the range of forceful U.S. action on the world stage. They are the ingredients in the foreign-policy recipe that has brought chaos to the Middle East—including more than 150,000 Syrians dead and an empowered Iran—and has given us the Russian annexation of Crimea, guerrilla war in eastern Ukraine, a bullying China, a degraded U.S. military, and a disapproving American public.

But Obama does not disapprove. He sees his foreign policy as a success. “Standing with our allies on behalf of international order, working with international institutions, has given a chance for the Ukrainian people to choose their future—without us firing a shot,” Obama said at West Point. Yesterday Ukraine said that Russian tanks had crossed its border. “It is possible we are victims of our own leadership,” a senior administration official said of Iraq in an interview with the Wall Street Journal. That official is right: global security is the victim of our own leadership. Our elected leadership.

“We are winding down our war in Afghanistan,” Obama said in his “long speech about this.” Can he really look at the images coming from Iraq and not recognize that they are a preview of what is to come when America leaves Afghanistan? Obama has not only proposed the wrong solutions to the problem of a degrading international order. He fails to see the problem altogether. He is more concerned with the limits of American power than with its responsibilities.

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As Sunni terrorists make gains in Iraq, it’s triggered a political debate in the United States not only about what to do, but also over who is to blame for the country’s deterioration. Is it President George W. Bush for invading in the first place, or President Obama for mishandling the withdrawal? Whatever the merits of the case against Obama, conservatives should realize that no matter how bad things get, Americans are very unlikely to blame him for what’s happening.

The public isn’t focused, say, on the nuances of Obama’s negotiations on the status of forces agreement with Iraq. Most likely, they see the current violence in Iraq as totally expected, and are just glad American soldiers aren’t in the middle of it…

The only way this becomes a political problem for Obama is if he intervenes and things don’t improve or get dramatically worse. Which is likely another reason why he’s reluctant to get involved.

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But what makes his remarks especially galling is that we helped create this problem. We tore Iraq apart. And we coddled and supported the Maliki regime, which has worsened the country’s sectarianism. (Obama mentioned the small-mindedness of Iraq’s leaders, but not our decision to coddle them.) Thus, for Obama to say that this is an Iraqi problem and Iraq “as a sovereign nation” (whatever that now means) must solve it involves a gigantic shirking of responsibility.

Yes, even if this is our problem, it’s not clear what America can or should do, which is why remarks like those from John McCain, who called this “an existential threat” and seems to want some sort of huge response, are alarming. But that doesn’t let the United States off the hook, and certainly not at the rhetorical level. Would Obama say that the Cambodian genocide was ultimately up to the Cambodians to solve, after America bombed and destabilized the country? Was the genocide in the former Yugoslavia a Bosnian problem, even though the West kept an arms embargo on the Bosnians, essentially preventing them from defending themselves?

Perhaps America should choose to involve itself less in the quarrels of others. But once America does so, it cannot then exempt itself from responsibility on whatever timetable it pleases.

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The problem is not that these Iraqis weren’t well trained and equipped, it was they did not have a government worth fighting for. The Maliki government is Shiite, exclusionary and anti-Sunni. It is corrupt and inefficient. In sum, like most of these great freedom-fighting government we’ve backed over the decades—corrupt and inefficient. And certainly non-inclusive in its politics, certainly not welcoming of potential opponents, certainly ill-disposed to give non-Shiites a legitimate share of power. So the Iraqi troops throw down their arms and run away.

No amount of U.S. air and drone attacks will alter this situation. This kind of outcome was inevitable for Iraq given the political lay of the land in that country. It is almost certainly what’s going to happen in Afghanistan. There too, we’ve fought and died, equipped and trained hundreds of thousands of Afghan troops. The Kabul government is a corrupt mess not worth fighting for. There too, Americans should not be surprised if the Taliban soon regains the offensive and Afghan troops take off their uniforms, lay down their arms and run. Remember Vietnam? The South Vietnamese had a million and a half men under arms and despite the unconscionable Congressional cutoff of future aid, these armed forces had plenty to fight with. But they gave up too…

Why don’t our “good guys,” our plentiful men in arms, our decently to very well-equipped security forces fight as well as the jihadis in Syria or Iraq or as well as the Taliban in Afghanistan or the North Vietnamese in Vietnam? It’s that motivation that is central to victory. If our “good guys” can’t supply this motivation for themselves, Americans should have learned by now that we in our goodness and kindness and sacrifice cannot supply it for them. That’s the central lesson of warfare for more than half a century. That’s the essential moral Americans can’t seem to learn.

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We have red white and blue bunting out along with our flag…

OmahaConservative on June 14, 2014 at 8:02 AM

Funny thing is, I had to take mine down yesterday because of the wind.

crankyoldlady on June 14, 2014 at 8:08 AM

Chuck Noll died. He made football what it is today.

crankyoldlady on June 14, 2014 at 8:09 AM

Funny thing is, I had to take mine down yesterday because of the wind.

crankyoldlady on June 14, 2014 at 8:08 AM

We are expecting hellacious storms and winds tonight. I’ll probably have to take ours down too…

OmahaConservative on June 14, 2014 at 8:11 AM

I just checked my son’s FB page.
The ‘eaglet’ has landed.
By this evening-he’ll be in Berlin.

annoyinglittletwerp on June 14, 2014 at 8:13 AM

The ‘eaglet’ has landed.
By this evening-he’ll be in Berlin.

annoyinglittletwerp on June 14, 2014 at 8:13 AM

So far so good. Where did he land?

crankyoldlady on June 14, 2014 at 8:15 AM

By this evening-he’ll be in Berlin.

annoyinglittletwerp on June 14, 2014 at 8:13 AM

That is awesome. Hope he enjoys his European adventure…

OmahaConservative on June 14, 2014 at 8:25 AM

crankyoldlady on June 14, 2014 at 8:15 AM

London. He takes(took, is taking) a train to one of the English coasts and then flying into Berlin.

annoyinglittletwerp on June 14, 2014 at 8:26 AM

Happy Flag Day, Americans!

IMPEACH HIM…NOW.

My take: Hundreds of Civilian Contractors Under Siege in Iraq…Obama Goes Golfing and Fundraising

kingsjester on June 14, 2014 at 8:44 AM

undreds of Civilian Contractors Under Siege in Iraq…Obama Goes Golfing and Fundraising

kingsjester on June 14, 2014 at 8:44 AM

Absolutely no one forced them to try and profiteer off of war and misery. I believe the free market says they made their choice to work there and don’t need any protections from the state. Isn’t that the conservative position? You’re not welcome in Iraq, get out.

libfreeordie on June 14, 2014 at 8:48 AM

My take: Hundreds of Civilian Contractors Under Siege in Iraq…Obama Goes Golfing and Fundraising

kingsjester on June 14, 2014 at 8:44 AM

The people in the White House must be removed and the Democrats have to do it. We are almost at the point where they will accept that their party and political chances are being destroyed and they will have to do something.

crankyoldlady on June 14, 2014 at 8:52 AM

One nice thing about Twitter is it forces people to be pithy and not wordy.

crankyoldlady on June 14, 2014 at 8:53 AM

Nothing to say really, just didn’t like the page count at 911.

Bmore on June 14, 2014 at 8:56 AM

If we take your guide to solving problems and apply it to America for example can you imagine how many states we would have?

coolrepublica on June 14, 2014 at 1:25 AM

57? 60?

I’ve now been in fifty …. seven states? I think one left to go. One left to go. Alaska and Hawaii. I was not allowed to go…

Fallon on June 14, 2014 at 8:56 AM

The head choppers grin slave.

Bmore on June 14, 2014 at 8:57 AM

Nothing to say really, just didn’t like the page count at 911.

Bmore on June 14, 2014 at 8:56 AM

Sorry, is 913, okay?

Fallon on June 14, 2014 at 8:57 AM

915?

Fallon on June 14, 2014 at 8:58 AM

Lolz! Finishing up coffee, fixing to get to work. ; )

Bmore on June 14, 2014 at 8:58 AM

Bmorenfreude

Judge_Dredd on June 14, 2014 at 9:08 AM

My take: Hundreds of Civilian Contractors Under Siege in Iraq…Obama Goes Golfing and Fundraising

kingsjester on June 14, 2014 at 8:44 AM

Excellent column, KJ. A school friend of mine was among those medical students rescued from Grenada. I remember watching on TV as they kissed the ground after landing in the USA. These civilian contractors might very well end up kissing the ground in Iraq, but their heads will no longer be attached to their bodies.

Naturally Curly on June 14, 2014 at 9:17 AM

Naturally Curly on June 14, 2014 at 9:17 AM

Thank you, ma’am! You’re exactly right.

Perfesser, you’re a hypocrite. Last week, you were cheering the bringing home of an American Deserter .

However, you have no sympathy for Americans surrounded by Muslim Terrorists.

You are an Anti-American worm.

kingsjester on June 14, 2014 at 9:55 AM

915?
Fallon on June 14, 2014 at 8:58 AM

People who have birthdays in September appreciate your thoughtfulness, Fallon… ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on June 14, 2014 at 10:01 AM

Receipts:

Mr. Russert: If your analysis is not correct, and we’re not treated as liberators, but as conquerors, and the Iraqis begin to resist, particularly in Baghdad, do you think the American people are prepared for a long, costly, and bloody battle with significant American casualties?

Vice President Cheney: Well, I don’t think it’s likely to unfold that way, Tim, because I really do believe that we will be greeted as liberators. I’ve talked with a lot of Iraqis in the last several months myself, had them to the White House. The president and I have met with them, various groups and individuals, people who have devoted their lives from the outside to trying to change things inside Iraq. And like Kanan Makiya who’s a professor at Brandeis, but an Iraqi, he’s written great books about the subject, knows the country intimately, and is a part of the democratic opposition and resistance. The read we get on the people of Iraq is there is no question but what they want to the get rid of Saddam Hussein and they will welcome as liberators the United States when we come to do that.

libfreeordie on June 14, 2014 at 10:01 AM

Bmorenfreude
Judge_Dredd on June 14, 2014 at 9:08 AM

[sends Judge a Double Irish Coffee to start his day...enters under "Eye Opener"...] ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on June 14, 2014 at 10:02 AM

Receipts:

Mr. Russert: If your analysis is not correct, and we’re not treated as liberators, but as conquerors, and the Iraqis begin to resist, particularly in Baghdad, do you think the American people are prepared for a long, costly, and bloody battle with significant American casualties?

Vice President Cheney: Well, I don’t think it’s likely to unfold that way, Tim, because I really do believe that we will be greeted as liberators. I’ve talked with a lot of Iraqis in the last several months myself, had them to the White House. The president and I have met with them, various groups and individuals, people who have devoted their lives from the outside to trying to change things inside Iraq. And like Kanan Makiya who’s a professor at Brandeis, but an Iraqi, he’s written great books about the subject, knows the country intimately, and is a part of the democratic opposition and resistance. The read we get on the people of Iraq is there is no question but what they want to the get rid of Saddam Hussein and they will welcome as liberators the United States when we come to do that.

libfreeordie on June 14, 2014 at 10:01 AM

So, tell us, skippy–why did zero throw away all of our blood, treasure and support? To win an election?

Newtie and the Beauty on June 14, 2014 at 10:04 AM

[sends Judge a Double Irish Coffee to start his day…enters under “Eye Opener”…] ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on June 14, 2014 at 10:02 AM

Irish?? Heavens no child! That’s got booze in it!

Judge_Dredd on June 14, 2014 at 10:14 AM

Irish?? Heavens no child! That’s got booze in it!
Judge_Dredd on June 14, 2014 at 10:14 AM

What’s yer pleasure, Judge? Besides, we can chill it for later… ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on June 14, 2014 at 10:19 AM

I’m going to stick with my two scoops of Taster’s Choice. :)

Judge_Dredd on June 14, 2014 at 10:33 AM

OK, Judge, have it your way…

[puts Bailey’s Irish Cream Coffee Creamer (non-alkie) back on shelf…pulls Judge’s rejected Double Irish Coffee towards me…takes a long sip…*ahhhhh*…]

Ain’t I a stinkah? :P

Newtie and the Beauty on June 14, 2014 at 10:39 AM

Mmmm…made with Maxwell House… ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on June 14, 2014 at 10:40 AM

Newtie and the Beauty on June 14, 2014 at 10:04 AM

C’mon now, we all know libiot is an ignorant fool who spouts the crap his savior spoon feeds him.

One thing we have to do is not jump to our own conclusions. There are enough assets in theater to deal with the situation as it now stands. The folks in green, and blue, are not going to announce their intentions. they will tell folks about it afterwards.

Unlike 1991 and 2001 CNN, and others, are not there to broadcast when the bombs start falling. It is a fluid situation and somebody most likely called up the terrorists and chewed them out for bunching up on the roads.

There is not a timetable for action. What there is, just like in 2001, is a target list. When enough targets appear, with enough assets available, something should happen. The sign to look for is if 0bama misses a Tee-time. He would put off an attack if it interfered with a fund raiser.

cozmo on June 14, 2014 at 10:48 AM

Whoever thought phillips screws were better than slotted ones?

crankyoldlady on June 14, 2014 at 10:49 AM

Under our currently politically correct philosophy (which included G W Bush as well as Obama) that we were fighting ‘terrorism’ but not ‘Islam’, it is pointless to send American troops into any Islamic country (unless on a direct rescue mission to save AMERICAN hostages.) To say we are fighting ‘terrorism’ but not ‘Islam’ is like saying we are fighting ‘Hitler’ but not ‘Naziism’. As Naziism was the fuel for Hitler’s terror, so Islam is the fuel for the terrorists. Example: Americans overran Iraq militarily but left the terror engine (Islam) intact to fuel future violence and probable government overthrow which totally negates our military gain.

To fight Islamic terror we need to counter with devastating economic terror. Step 1 (our only obstacles are Obama and Harry Reid)we become totally energy independent making hostile Muslims totally irrelevant to us economically. Step 2 If Muslims insist on continuing to terrorize the rest of the world, we make them economically useless to the rest of the world as well, by bombing their oil fields and refineries (and bomb again any new refineries being constructed) and mine their ports.

If, in the future, we invade a Muslim country it is with the understanding, that like Naziism, their religion is evil and all mosques will destroyed, clerics deported or imprisoned and, starting in all grades of school, the teaching of a new philosophy will commence.

MaiDee on June 14, 2014 at 10:49 AM


Al-Qaeda splinter group in Syria leaves two provinces
-March 14, 2014

We could save money on CIA drones and satellites and just subscribe to a Lebanese newspaper. 0b00ba learns everything he knows from the papers anyhow.

How did ISIS get so big, bad, and efficient without state sponsorship? The only question is, which states?

Akzed on June 14, 2014 at 10:52 AM

BENGHAZIGATE: Obama’s Secret Gun-Running Program, -Town Hall

So who was getting all those guns guns and more guns? I’m glad you asked!

Our CIA is still playing the role of vetting which Syrian rebel groups will obtain arms including machine guns, ammunition, and rocket-propelled grenades. While Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Turkey are directly purchasing the weaponry, the Obama administration is aiding the Arab governments in shopping for these arms and transferring them from Libya, to Turkey, and finally into Syria.

Unfortunately the CIA has “vetted” shady intermediaries (including Syria’s Muslim Brotherhood) and shady recipients of thousands of tons worth of military equipment and millions of rounds of ammo. Consequently, weapons have fallen into the wrong hands. In the case of Benghazi, anti-tank weapons appear to have landed in the hands of terrorists.

Akzed on June 14, 2014 at 10:56 AM

crankyoldlady on June 14, 2014 at 10:49 AM

The people who want more torque and a screw that is easier to drive.

cozmo on June 14, 2014 at 10:56 AM

If, in the future, we invade a Muslim country it is with the understanding, that like Naziism, their religion is evil and all mosques will destroyed, clerics deported or imprisoned and, starting in all grades of school, the teaching of a new philosophy will commence.

MaiDee on June 14, 2014 at 10:49 AM

Only if the military develops the curriculum. Otherwise, under the State Department or Department of Education, they’ll get Common Core-an.

de rigueur on June 14, 2014 at 10:56 AM

The people who want more torque and a screw that is easier to drive.

cozmo on June 14, 2014 at 10:56 AM

It doesn’t seem to me it has more torque but then maybe it’s me that needs more torque.

crankyoldlady on June 14, 2014 at 11:03 AM

Ugh! No more double whachumadrinkins for me Newtie. I’m going back to bed.

Judge_Dredd on June 14, 2014 at 11:04 AM

The sign to look for is if 0bama misses a Tee-time. He would put off an attack if it interfered with a fund raiser.
cozmo on June 14, 2014 at 10:48 AM

Far be it for zero to put $$$$ above duty, Cozmo.

libstoopid’s post just hit me wrong–usually I let it slide, but today…

You’re advice and counsel is duly noted.

Newtie and the Beauty on June 14, 2014 at 11:07 AM

crankyoldlady on June 14, 2014 at 11:03 AM

Or this.

With a magnetic bit holder.

cozmo on June 14, 2014 at 11:07 AM

Newtie and the Beauty on June 14, 2014 at 11:07 AM

People are really wound up these days.

lourdes gets me that way.

cozmo on June 14, 2014 at 11:09 AM

People are really wound up these days.
lourdes gets me that way.
cozmo on June 14, 2014 at 11:09 AM

Why do you have this creepy obsession with Lourdes? Are you jealous of her because she is clearly very smart and a good writer? Are you mad that she usually ignores you and the mean-spirited buffoonery you take part in on Quote of the Day threads?

I don’t like the nasty way you refer to Lourdes, who is a great commenter, and other readers here.

bluegill on June 14, 2014 at 11:39 AM

bluegill on June 14, 2014 at 11:39 AM

You’re just mad because you are more of a cat toy to me Susan.

You ever gonna’ address your most egregious lie here?

cozmo on June 14, 2014 at 11:46 AM

Newtie and the Beauty on June 14, 2014 at 11:07 AM

I am with you..
liveastupidlifeanddie sounded to me like it
was actively rooting for American deaths..
should be banned immediately..

the US Government sold the Iraqis those planes and other ‘supplies’..
the contract is to educate the Iraqis on usage..
BHO signed the sale notice… therefore he should
have responsibility to protect those contractors..

going2mars on June 14, 2014 at 11:56 AM

blueballs on June 14, 2014 at 11:39 AM

…hag fish…you are the last person in the planetary system…that can lecture about creepy obsessions…and jealousy!

KOOLAID2 on June 14, 2014 at 12:05 PM

I sincerely hope it is not the HotAir policy
to allow such blatant American hatred..

no American deserves to die because we have a inept President..
and no HA poster should be allowed to openly cheer for those deaths..

going2mars on June 14, 2014 at 12:07 PM

if openly supporting the killing of Americans
will no get livelikeanidiot banned..

then reinstate Lanceman and Spark Plug..
as I am sure neither went anywhere near that language..

going2mars on June 14, 2014 at 1:14 PM

I have to share this. I have just returned from a trip to the grocery store near my house. This store, regional chain, is celebrating Mexicana Day. I realize that this event was planned months in advance, but did anyone at the corporate marketing dept. think of the optics of celebrating another country on the US Flag day?

Tinker on June 14, 2014 at 1:18 PM

Absolutely no one forced them to try and profiteer off of war and misery. I believe the free market says they made their choice to work there and don’t need any protections from the state. Isn’t that the conservative position? You’re not welcome in Iraq, get out.

libfreeordie on June 14, 2014 at 8:48 AM

Exactly:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQdDRrcAOjA

Theophile on June 14, 2014 at 1:30 PM

Theophile on June 14, 2014 at 1:30 PM

was that suppose to be funny or do
you also support the killing of Americans?

going2mars on June 14, 2014 at 1:46 PM

I have been a contractor for most of my 55 years..
mostly defense and space..
I have parts everywhere from a M1 Abrams to Mars..
For HA to allow idiots to post,
that openly call for killing
Americans like me is too much…
maybe,, I don’t belong here..

going2mars on June 14, 2014 at 2:10 PM

For HA to allow idiots to post,
that openly call for killing
Americans like me is too much…
maybe,, I don’t belong here..

going2mars on June 14, 2014 at 2:10 PM

I think most of us agree with you. Give HA time.

crankyoldlady on June 14, 2014 at 2:14 PM

crankyoldlady on June 14, 2014 at 2:14 PM

I am angered COL…
people just like me may be getting their heads cut off right now..
and our President golfs… raises dirty money for himself..
and HA lets this crap go on..

going2mars on June 14, 2014 at 2:20 PM

G2M, Don’t let the worst get the best of you. It does nothing but satisfies their/its ego.
Stay strong and pray (or concentrate your energies) for those who are in need. They are more deserving of your time.

31giddyup on June 14, 2014 at 3:00 PM

I am angered COL…
people just like me may be getting their heads cut off right now..
and our President golfs… raises dirty money for himself..
and HA lets this crap go on..

going2mars on June 14, 2014 at 2:20 PM

We’re all angry especially those of us who can’t do anything.

crankyoldlady on June 14, 2014 at 3:22 PM

Hey COL,
Been meaning to thank you for the complement you gave me the other night. Thank you.
Seems like you know to use what was given to you too. Love your logic too. {{{hugs}}}

31giddyup on June 14, 2014 at 3:32 PM

crankyoldlady on June 14
31giddyup on June 14

thank you both for your advise..
I listened to each of you…
I gave it 6 hours as COL suggested..
and in those 6 hours I worked in my shop
sanding a organizer I am making for my sister..
(doing something for someone else) as 31 suggested..

was it banned yet ??..
was any acceptable reason given??
did HA management stand up either for or against this idiot??
is there no line here at HA for cheering for American deaths??
yes I am still fuming..

going2mars on June 14, 2014 at 8:33 PM

G2M, did you send word to HA mgmt or relying on them reading the comments on this post?
I’m sorry you are still up set.
Please don’t leave. There’s more peeps here, like myself, who could use your wisdom. Remember, there are more peeps here, who care about what happens to our fellow country men/women, than the idiots who spew their venom.

31giddyup on June 14, 2014 at 10:56 PM

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