Obama assures nation his political commitment to inaction trumps international security

posted at 1:31 pm on June 13, 2014 by Noah Rothman

Just before boarding Marine One on Friday, President Barack Obama took the opportunity to speak to the press about the escalating crisis in Iraq. With ISIS militants overrunning key Iraqi positions, sacking cities, and forcing thousands of U.S.-trained Iraqi troops into surrender, Baghdad has publicly asked Washington for immediate kinetic military assistance.

In response to this crisis, the president assured the nation that he has asked his staff to prepare a set of options for him in order to address this pressing and immediate military threat. To that end, as reports indicate, the United States has redirected the aircraft carrier George H. W. Bush to the Persian Gulf and has been conducting surveillance flights over Iraq to identify potential targets.

However, as Obama said on Friday, his apparent commitment to the political goals which propelled him into office – namely, a commitment to American retrenchment and especially the extrication of U.S. forces from the Iraqi theater – trumps the immediate security needs of a region in crisis.

“This is not solely or even primarily a military challenge,” Obama told reporters. He placed the burden of the present crisis on the Iraqi government, which the president said has fostered an atmosphere of sectarian mistrust by excluding Sunni groups from broader representation in the central government.

Obama insisted that internal political reforms must be forthcoming. “In the absence of this type of political effort, short-term military action, including any assistance we might provide, won’t succeed,” he insisted.

“Iraq’s neighbors also have a responsibility to support this process,” Obama said, “The United States will do our part, but understand that ultimately it is up to the Iraqis, as a sovereign nation, to solve their problems.”

Asked if the Syrian civil war is “spilling over the Iraq border,” Obama insisted that he believed that this had been “happening for some time.” Indeed. In fact, the threat of the Syrian conflict spilling over its borders was among the reasons why the United States needed to act to contain that conflict. At least, that is what the president said in his prime time address to the nation in September, 2013.

Obama added that Iraq, “which was initially resistant to some of our offers of help,” has now been scared into cooperating with the United States. As the New York Times reported, however, the Iraqi government has been asking for airstrikes since at least March. The Daily Beast reported that Iraqi officials were interested in applying U.S. airpower to the worsening situation near the Syrian border since November of last year. Instead, they received millions of dollars in American weaponry, much of which is now falling into ISIS hands as Iraqi soldiers retreat.

Again, Obama implicitly confessed to this tactical failure:

“The United States has poured a lot of money into these Iraqi security forces,” Obama insisted. “And we devoted a lot of training to Iraqi security forces.”

“The fact that they are not willing to stand and fight and defend their post against admittedly hardened terrorists, but not terrorists who are overwhelming in numbers, indicates that there’s a problem with morale, there’s a problem in terms of commitment, and ultimately that’s rooted in the problems that have plagued the country for a very long time,” he added.

Finally, Obama concluded by saying that, while the threat in Iraq is immediate, growing by the hour, and fast-moving, America’s response to it will be none of those things. “People should not anticipate that this is something that is going to happen overnight,” Obama said. “The United States is not simply going to involve itself in a military action in the absence of a political plan by the Iraqis that gives us some assurance that they’re prepared to work together.”

The collapse of the American strategy of providing assistance from the sidelines having become apparent, Obama remains inexplicably unable to commit to a change of course.

While political reforms inside Iraq are critical, the president’s priorities are misplaced. There is no question internal reforms in Iraq are necessary. The pressing threat to international security posed by the possible collapse of the Iraqi state, however, is not setting the conditions conducive to a prolonged reconciliation process. That comes later. The first step should be ensuring stability.

The American people do not want to reengage in Iraq, and many wish that the United States had never toppled the Saddam Hussein regime in the first place. But no one can rewrite history. The reality is that America has a responsibility for Iraq’s security today, and the president is shirking that responsibility.

The threat posed by Syrian instability is clear – it has engulfed Iraq. The threat posed by Iraqi instability is clear – it is now drawing in Iran. A regional war is now a very real possibility. The United States can engage in that theater on its terms now, or wait and engage in it on less favorable terms down the road. But, for the globe’s only superpower, there is no avoiding engagement.

The president, meanwhile, must come to terms with the fact that his legacy achievement, the withdrawal of American forces from Iraq, is coming apart. But he better not take long. The world is on fire.


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Vietnam seems to be doing fine nowadays without US help.

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:19 PM

You might want to look up the number 2,977.

faraway on June 13, 2014 at 2:21 PM

So, you want us to arrest more gang members? What city would you like to start in?

faraway on June 13, 2014 at 2:19 PM

We could start by not allowing so many gang members to “immigrate” here (by strolling illegally across the southern border) in the first place.

AZCoyote on June 13, 2014 at 2:21 PM

Leftists don’t care how many heads get cut off, never.

They are always thugs and terrorist-azz-kissers.

Quit calling them liberals and progressives.

Schadenfreude on June 13, 2014 at 2:22 PM

Obama insisted that internal political reforms must be forthcoming. “In the absence of this type of political effort, short-term military action, including any assistance we might provide, won’t succeed,” he insisted.

Yep, Barry – internal political reforms. That’ll stop these ISIS barbarians.

TarheelBen on June 13, 2014 at 2:22 PM

My number is 555-212-burn. Lol

coolrepublica on June 13, 2014 at 1:56 PM

If you have to announce that it was a burn, then it wasn’t.

Flange on June 13, 2014 at 2:05 PM

You don’t say?

coolrepublica on June 13, 2014 at 2:22 PM

So, you want us to arrest more gang members? What city would you like to start in?

faraway on June 13, 2014 at 2:19 PM

If only we had dealt with their criminal mafias the same way we dealt with ours, with criminal investigation and prosecution instead of idiotically declaring “war” on a bunch of criminal gangsters, we’d be in a much, much better position right now.

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:23 PM

Resist We Much on June 13, 2014 at 2:20 PM

And these ISIS bastards are being led by a terrorist kingpin that Barry Hussein let out of prison.

Just a little preview of what the Taliban 5 will be doing soon.

AZCoyote on June 13, 2014 at 2:24 PM

‘This is our football… it’s made of skin’: ISIS fanatics post sick World Cup tweet alongside shocking images of a beheaded Iraqi policeman as they boast of slaughtering 1,700 soldiers

Resist We Much on June 13, 2014 at 2:20 PM

everpisso, this is for you, you monster.

Schadenfreude on June 13, 2014 at 2:24 PM

Here’s the future in a nutshell:

A resurgence of the Taliban in Afghanistan as they see that Obama will do nothing to defend our allies as he ultimately abandons once won ground. The Taliban might even force Obama to accelerate his surrender schedule in Afghanistan, thus handing the country back to the Taliban before he leaves office.

A civil war in Iraq with Iranian backed Shiites on one side, and Saudi backed Sunnis on the other. And maybe Turkey taking this opportunity to harass the Kurds.

NotCoach on June 13, 2014 at 2:24 PM

Iraqi troops have a morale problem? Wow.. Maybe an ice cream social will get them cheered up … Or something /s

countmein on June 13, 2014 at 2:25 PM

Hey, liberals, thanks for throwing it all away. Thanks for that fundamental transformation. If feels great to envy France …

Whitey Ford on June 13, 2014 at 2:25 PM

everpisso, choke on all that blood.

Schadenfreude on June 13, 2014 at 2:25 PM

Noah’s loving his move to the forum of the lowest common denominator, looks like.
 
everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:04 PM

 
What does that mean for someone who can’t win debates here?

rogerb on June 13, 2014 at 2:25 PM

I’ve never lost a debate here.

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:27 PM

I’ve never lost a debate here.

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:27 PM

And I’m the sexiest man on the Earth. Just ask me.

NotCoach on June 13, 2014 at 2:28 PM

Vietnam seems to be doing fine nowadays without US help.

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:19 PM

Decades later. How many millions died in Vietnam and Cambodia after the US left?

Or, are you like Ted Turner who once claimed that ending the Vietnam War was the highlight of his life, but had no idea of the slaughter that happened after he succeeded?

Resist We Much on June 13, 2014 at 2:28 PM

I’ve never lost a debate here.

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:27 PM

Black Knight, is that you?

faraway on June 13, 2014 at 2:28 PM

The American people do not want to reengage in Iraq, and many wish that the United States had never toppled the Saddam Hussein regime in the first place. But no one can rewrite history. The reality is that America has a responsibility for Iraq’s security today, and the president is shirking that responsibility.

This is the hard reality of the situation.

ladyingray on June 13, 2014 at 2:28 PM

[Obama said]…indicates that there’s a problem with morale, there’s a problem in terms of commitment, and ultimately that’s rooted in the problems that have plagued the country for a very long time,” he added.

There he goes again. The Narcissist-in-Chief talking about himself as usual.

Tsar of Earth on June 13, 2014 at 2:29 PM

The loser doesn’t get to decide when he’s lost.

blink on June 13, 2014 at 2:28 PM

Now that was funny.

faraway on June 13, 2014 at 2:29 PM

“The first step should be ensuring stability.”

You haven’t seen our southern border lately, have you…?

“But he better not take long. The world is on fire.”

Yeah, there’s that…

… but he’s the first black president, so shut up you racist!

/sarc

Seven Percent Solution on June 13, 2014 at 2:30 PM

everpisso, choke on all that blood.

Schadenfreude on June 13, 2014 at 2:25 PM

You pubs lied to start an unwinnable war, spent trillions of dollars and thousands of american lives on the fraud, and handpicked an iraqi leader who wanted all americans out of the country and refused american help.

The hands covered in blood were redpublican already.

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:30 PM

Did you support the killing fields? Are you a communist?

blink on June 13, 2014 at 2:29 PM

Why, is vietnam communist now?

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:31 PM

So what flavor of Muslim was Obama Sr.?

cptacek on June 13, 2014 at 2:31 PM

I’ve never lost a debate here.
 
everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:27 PM

 
+1. It’s been many, many more than that.

rogerb on June 13, 2014 at 2:32 PM

Hilarious, is that the meme now?

That POTUS has to go stop every war in the world, else he puts “international security” at risk?

Noah’s loving his move to the forum of the lowest common denominator, looks like.

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:04 PM

10 bucks you creamed yourself when he attacked Libya and Syria.

Chuck Schick on June 13, 2014 at 2:32 PM

I’ve never lost a debate here.

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:27 PM

I won every debate with you on Obamacare. It was a snap to prove you were lying.

Chuck Schick on June 13, 2014 at 2:34 PM

I’ve never lost a debate here.
 
everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:27 PM

 
+1. It’s been many, many more than that.
 
rogerb on June 13, 2014 at 2:32 PM

 
Come to think of it, I’m trying to remember a single thread that didn’t end up with you as the pigeon on a chess board.
 
Link up if you can.

rogerb on June 13, 2014 at 2:34 PM

The reality is that America has a responsibility for Iraq’s security today, and the president is shirking that responsibility

America has spent more money and lives defending that foreign country’s security than any country has for any other foreign country in recent memory.

We’ve fulfilled our responsibility and then some.

And hey, whatever happened to bush’s “coalitioh of the willing”? Aren’t they all responsible in perpetuity for iraq’s security then too?

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:35 PM

We’ve fulfilled our responsibility and then some.

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:35 PM

So why does Obama have to go back?

Chuck Schick on June 13, 2014 at 2:36 PM

This is the hard reality of the situation.

ladyingray on June 13, 2014 at 2:28 PM

I agree. I posted something similar upthread.

dogsoldier on June 13, 2014 at 2:36 PM

Vietnam seems to be doing fine nowadays without US help.

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:19 PM

How were the trusting innocents in the South doing when we abandoned them and our promises to them?

ladyingray on June 13, 2014 at 2:36 PM

I won every debate with you on Obamacare. It was a snap to prove you were lying.

Chuck Schick on June 13, 2014 at 2:34 PM

Ah yes, i remember you declaring victory in the very thread of the article that clearly proved me right and you wrong.

I was impressed with your lack of shame and awareness then, and still am now.

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:37 PM

I’ve never lost a debate here.

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:27 PM

obama likes Greek columns and arugula too.

He doesn’t decide who’s superior, though. Thanks for another classic of HA.

Schadenfreude on June 13, 2014 at 2:37 PM

{Obama assures nation …}

…and then jets off to lavish Palm Springs with Moochele for a four-day, taxpayer-funded golf and fund raising vacay excursion. I’m sure the Iraqi’s won’t fret over a few more deaths as they wait until he returns late Monday.

tech_sass on June 13, 2014 at 2:37 PM

You pubs lied to start an unwinnable war

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:30 PM

Who lied?

Bill Clinton on Iraq in 2004

“I have repeatedly defended President Bush against the left on Iraq”

“That’s why I supported the Iraq thing. There was a lot of stuff unaccounted for,” Clinton said in reference to Iraq and the fact that U.N. weapons inspectors left the country in 1998.

“So I thought the president had an absolute responsibility to go to the U.N. and say, ‘Look, guys, after 9/11, you have got to demand that Saddam Hussein lets us finish the inspection process.’ You couldn’t responsibly ignore [the possibility that] a tyrant had these stocks,” Clinton said.

faraway on June 13, 2014 at 2:38 PM

Bill Clinton 1998: Signed Iraq Liberation Act calling for Saddam’s ouster

faraway on June 13, 2014 at 2:38 PM

I was impressed with your lack of shame and awareness then, and still am now.

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:37 PM

Mr. Kettle, a call for you on line 1 from Mr. Pot.

NotCoach on June 13, 2014 at 2:38 PM

FLASH: 200 U.S. contractors surrounded by jihadists in Iraq

faraway on June 13, 2014 at 1:53 PM

WND has learned from sources that the jihadists have closed down escape routes, and the U.S. Air Force is in a stand-down position. U.S. forces are not assisting even with air cover so a private extradition flight could land for a rescue, the sources said.

Who is ordering the stand down?

Ditkaca on June 13, 2014 at 2:39 PM

I’ve never lost a debate here.

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:27 PM

ROFLMAO….yeah your win/loss record was so awesome you had to change your username from lester to everdiso. Oh wait, you were banned. Prolly cause you were winning so many debates.

HumpBot Salvation on June 13, 2014 at 2:39 PM

We’ve fulfilled our responsibility and then some.

And hey, whatever happened to bush’s “coalitioh of the willing”? Aren’t they all responsible in perpetuity for iraq’s security then too?

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:35 PM

No, you can’t ditch someone halfway through physical / psychological therapy or treatment just because that treatment or therapy becomes a chore or is unpopular. That’s what the indifferent Captain Zero THE MAN OF INFINITE NOTHINGNESS did.

dogsoldier on June 13, 2014 at 2:39 PM

Sometimes it becomes crysral clear that the real problem around here and similar forums is that you guys really aren’t very smart.

everdiso on April 29, 2014 at 4:27 PM

You so smaahhhht!

Schadenfreude on June 13, 2014 at 2:40 PM

Ah yes, i remember you declaring victory in the very thread of the article that clearly proved me right and you wrong.

I was impressed with your lack of shame and awareness then, and still am now.

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:37 PM

You never responded to my full debunking of your idiocy nor will you.

Here’s that thread

Chuck Schick on June 13, 2014 at 2:41 PM

This is going to go down as one of the stupidest unforced errors in geopolitical histiry.

everdiso on May 7, 2014 at 12:49 PM

Schadenfreude on June 13, 2014 at 2:41 PM

I mean you guys did read the excerpt of that email specifically titled “Benghazi”, right?
And you noticed that there was not one reference to a video in that section, right?
I mean, you read it, right?

everdisodumb on April 30, 2014 at 3:40 PM

Schadenfreude on June 13, 2014 at 2:41 PM

10 bucks you creamed yourself when he attacked Libya and Syria.

Chuck Schick on June 13, 2014 at 2:32 PM

I have no qualms about air strikes, drones, or sanctions approved by international consensus.

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:42 PM

I’ve never lost a debate here.

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:27 PM

“Because I so claimed” — HA’s everpisso

Schadenfreude on June 13, 2014 at 2:42 PM

Domestic gang violence kills many more americans than international terrorists do.

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:18 PM

You think your so f***ing smart liberal fool, don’t you? Even if democrat voters (99% of gangs vote democrats) kill more Americans than international terrorists it does not change the facts that terrorists (Al Qaeda, ISIS, Hizballah) or terrorist regimes (Iran, Syria) pose an extreme danger to our national security and the world security…

mnjg on June 13, 2014 at 2:43 PM

You never responded to my full debunking of your idiocy nor will you.

Here’s that thread

Chuck Schick on June 13, 2014 at 2:41 PM

Oh chuck, just admit you were embarassingly wrong about the insurance companies already. Dear lord, bluster and shamelessness is ok in small doses but this is just silly.

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:43 PM

The president, meanwhile, must come to terms with the fact that his legacy achievement, the withdrawal of American forces from Iraq, is coming apart. But he better not take long. The world is on fire.

This assumes, incorrectly in my view, that President Present actually gives a s*** about anything but in-the-moment leftwing domestic politics and the fundamental transfomation of the United States.

Sacramento on June 13, 2014 at 2:43 PM

everdiso,

1) do you think Obama should try to rescue the Americans that are trapped or surrounded in Iraq right now?

2) do you think the 9 hole bunker is the right place to organize a war room?

faraway on June 13, 2014 at 2:44 PM

Noah’s loving his move to the forum of the lowest common denominator, looks like.
 
everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:04 PM

 

What does that mean for someone who can’t win debates here?
 
rogerb on June 13, 2014 at 2:25 PM

 
I’ve never lost a debate here.
 
everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:27 PM

 

+1. It’s been many, many more than that.
 
rogerb on June 13, 2014 at 2:32 PM

 
Before I go, probably the worst part is to click the link in my 2:32 post and realize you even managed to lose this one, everdiso.
 
Y’all have fun.

rogerb on June 13, 2014 at 2:44 PM

[Obama said]…indicates that there’s a problem with morale, there’s a problem in terms of commitment, and ultimately that’s rooted in the problems that have plagued the country for a very long time,” he added.

Why in the hell does he think US military members aren’t re-enlisting? There is a problem with morale – thanks to obaka. Why does he think there is a problem in terms of commitment – because obaka is not committed to the US military.

Period.

He wants to blame Iraqi leadership, with which I can agree, but he fails to see his own lack of leadership for our troops.

I’m so glad my son is getting out of the USAF. And that makes me sad.

ladyingray on June 13, 2014 at 2:44 PM

Did you support the killing fields? Are you a communist?

Vietnam’s present system of government has nothing to do with my questions.

blink on June 13, 2014 at 2:34 PM

Vietnam’s present circumstance has everything to do with your implications of american withdrawal from there.

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:46 PM

Oh chuck, just admit you were embarassingly wrong about the insurance companies already. Dear lord, bluster and shamelessness is ok in small doses but this is just silly.

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:43 PM

Great. you have the link. My comment is still waiting your response.

Chuck Schick on June 13, 2014 at 2:46 PM

I’ve never lost a debate here.

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:27 PM

LOL… Do you think this is a debate club? As long as you are a liberal all your ideas, I mean all of them, will lead to disaster… Even this latest f***up in Iraq is because the most incompetent President in history, the welfare queens agitator Obama, refused not to allow a residual force in Iraq … Since our US troops surge defeated the terrorists in 2007, Iraq was doing well until Obama decided to withdraw all the troops in 2011 and leaving no forces at all in Iraq…

mnjg on June 13, 2014 at 2:47 PM

Then there is the matter that if Iraq turns to Iran to help then the benefactor behind the scenes is Putin in Russia who has three really big reasons to help out.
1) attacking ISIS helps out Assad in Syria.
2) it puts Iraq under his sphere of influence.
3) it makes Obama look worthless as an ally (but we know that already).

Obama can’t really act because because he wants to cling to his legacy of getting out of Iraq (not that he actually wanted to). So he really is reduced to hoping the news cycle changes to something else. At some point he may luck into something he can handle. What that is, I have no clue.

tkc882 on June 13, 2014 at 2:48 PM

Sacramento on June 13, 2014 at 2:43 PM

I’m not even sure he really cares about that either. His handlers do.

If we watch carefully he shows us what really matters to him.

Travel
Golf
Dining out
Parties
Speaking publicly
and oh yeah
did I mention GOLF?

Vacations to distant and exotic locals.

All the perks but not the work.

dogsoldier on June 13, 2014 at 2:48 PM

What international consensus did Obama have prior to supporting an Islamist takeover in Libya?

Obama didn’t even have congressional consensus.

blink on June 13, 2014 at 2:44 PM

I’ve never lost a debate here.

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:27 PM

Schadenfreude on June 13, 2014 at 2:48 PM

Hey, everdiso here’s one of my favorite quotes of yours.

Old Hotness:

rogerb, please show up and tell us why you want a NATO country’s civillians to die and suffer from chemical weapons? Your non-stop defense of flat earthers and young earth creationists is a personal matter of ignorance. Your advocacy for genocide is a whole different concern.

lester on December 14, 2012 at 10:28 AM

New Hotness:

America has spent more money and lives defending that foreign country’s security than any country has for any other foreign country in recent memory.

We’ve fulfilled our responsibility and then some.

And hey, whatever happened to bush’s “coalitioh of the willing”? Aren’t they all responsible in perpetuity for iraq’s security then too?

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:35 PM

Guess you are only against the mass slaughter and genocide of innocent people at selective times. I wonder why that is?

HumpBot Salvation on June 13, 2014 at 2:49 PM

What international consensus did Obama have prior to supporting an Islamist takeover in Libya?

Obama didn’t even have congressional consensus.

blink on June 13, 2014 at 2:44 PM

See: UN Resolution #1973

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:49 PM

I’ve never lost a debate here.

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:27 PM

Obama didn’t even have congressional consensus.

blink on June 13, 2014 at 2:44 PM

A 17 minute round. 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8. Knockout in the first round. Ding ding ding. Debate over.

faraway on June 13, 2014 at 2:51 PM

Guess you are only against the mass slaughter and genocide of innocent people at selective times. I wonder why that is?

HumpBot Salvation on June 13, 2014 at 2:49 PM

When someone (usually gov’t) is massacring civilians with greatly superior technology (such as air power or chemical weapons), then the international community should step in.

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:51 PM

WND has learned from sources that the jihadists have closed down escape routes, and the U.S. Air Force is in a stand-down position. U.S. forces are not assisting even with air cover so a private extradition flight could land for a rescue, the sources said.

Who is ordering the stand down?

Ditkaca on June 13, 2014 at 2:39 PM

Who could order a stand down?

Who’s the Commander In Chief?

sharrukin on June 13, 2014 at 2:52 PM

When someone (usually gov’t) is massacring civilians with greatly superior technology (such as air power or chemical weapons), then the international community should step in.

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:51 PM

You don’t dispute that you are lester, the banned.

Schadenfreude on June 13, 2014 at 2:52 PM

Why, is vietnam communist now?

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:31 PM

Yes, it is.

The Socialist Republic of Vietnam, along with China, Cuba, and Laos, is one of the world’s four remaining single-party socialist states officially espousing communism. Its current state constitution, which replaced the 1975 constitution in April 1992, asserts the central role of the Communist Party of Vietnam in all organs of government, politics and society. The General Secretary of the Communist Party performs numerous key administrative and executive functions, controlling the party’s national organization and state appointments, as well as setting policy. Only political organizations affiliated with or endorsed by the Communist Party are permitted to contest elections in Vietnam. These include the Vietnamese Fatherland Front and worker and trade unionist parties. Although the state remains officially committed to socialism as its defining creed, its economic policies have grown increasingly capitalist,

Resist We Much on June 13, 2014 at 2:53 PM

Lookit you adorable kids once again declaring internet victory for an easily disprovable claim. You guys are so good at “winning” arguments.

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:53 PM

Lookit you adorable kids

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:53 PM

Gramps, we may have to put you in a home. You have become incoherent. And you’re drooling.

faraway on June 13, 2014 at 2:55 PM

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:37 PM

I work in the healthcare industry. Trust me, you lost every single argument on Obamacare. But you’re just not bright enough to realize it.

dominigan on June 13, 2014 at 2:56 PM

Resist We Much on June 13, 2014 at 2:53 PM

Oh do they still call their capitalist free market democracy “communist”? Old habits die hard i guess.

Either way, they seem to be doing just fine without US help.

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:56 PM

Can’t we just nuke ‘em all and get it over with already?

It will come to that, and soon. Before Yobama is gone. Revelation 15:2. How do you think you get a sea of glass mingled with fire? You nuke a desert. But it won’t be us who do it… Cpt Present wouldn’t do that to his Muslim people. He’ll go down with them.

It will probably be Israel. ISIS wants them dead even more than they want us dead.

Dirty Creature on June 13, 2014 at 2:56 PM

Really? America is a super power?

GaltBlvnAtty on June 13, 2014 at 2:56 PM

200 dead Americans abandoned by Obama. Enough for impeachement? Discuss.

Yes it’s the same link posted twice above.

Can we ignore the troll?

gh on June 13, 2014 at 2:56 PM

Why, is vietnam communist now?

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:31 PM

Yes, it is.

The Socialist Republic of Vietnam, along with China, Cuba, and Laos, is one of the world’s four remaining single-party socialist states officially espousing communism. Its current state constitution, which replaced the 1975 constitution in April 1992, asserts the central role of the Communist Party of Vietnam in all organs of government, politics and society. The General Secretary of the Communist Party performs numerous key administrative and executive functions, controlling the party’s national organization and state appointments, as well as setting policy. Only political organizations affiliated with or endorsed by the Communist Party are permitted to contest elections in Vietnam. These include the Vietnamese Fatherland Front and worker and trade unionist parties. Although the state remains officially committed to socialism as its defining creed, its economic policies have grown increasingly capitalist,

Resist We Much on June 13, 2014 at 2:53 PM

HAHAHAHAHA.

You just destroyed his perfect debate record, you meanie!

Chuck Schick on June 13, 2014 at 2:57 PM

Why, is vietnam communist now?

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:31 PM

I’ve never lost a debate here.

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:27 PM

“Becauas I’s sooo smaahhhht” — everpisso

Schadenfreude on June 13, 2014 at 2:57 PM

I’ve never lost a debate here.

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:27 PM

LMAO!! Thanks much.

rogerb was getting bored waiting for some fresh Stupid
to drop into the bin….

ToddPA on June 13, 2014 at 2:57 PM

Either way, they seem to be doing just fine without US help.

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:56 PM

I’m sure the communists under Stalin felt the same way.

You need to stay down on the mat. You’re (rhetorically) bleeding out of all orifices now. And you seem kind of dazed and confused. We’re here to help.

faraway on June 13, 2014 at 2:58 PM

Either way, they seem to be doing just fine without US help.

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:56 PM

But

I’ve never lost a debate here.

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:27 PM

Schadenfreude on June 13, 2014 at 2:59 PM

I work in the healthcare industry. Trust me, you lost every single argument on Obamacare. But you’re just not bright enough to realize it.

dominigan on June 13, 2014 at 2:56 PM

I’ll trust the actions of the health insurers and the insured over the words of a male nurse posting on the internet, thanks.

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:59 PM

I’ll trust the actions of the health insurers and the insured over the words of a male nurse posting on the internet, thanks.

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:59 PM

lester, how do you know that dominigan is a male?

Schadenfreude on June 13, 2014 at 3:00 PM

Wait, are you guys now convincing yourself that the vietnamese are in a bad situation right now?

You guys really do love your fantasyland, eh?

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 3:00 PM

When someone (usually gov’t) is massacring civilians with greatly superior technology (such as air power or chemical weapons), then the international community should step in.

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:51 PM

Interesting..you are only concerned with genocide if it is a organized gov’t performing it and the types of weapons they use. You sure that’s it? I mean the two statements you made are pretty contradictory?

And for the record..ISIS is someone. They are a defacto gov’t. They’ve set up schools, gov’t offices etc…

The weapons they have access to are superior to the usually un-armed civilians they are slaughtering. That’s pretty much what they do.

Last I checked it was most likely these same players that used the chemical weapons in Syria and will use chemical weapons in the future.

So should they be stopped or not?

HumpBot Salvation on June 13, 2014 at 3:00 PM

dominigan on June 13, 2014 at 2:56 PM

There is this syndrome I read about – can’t remember the name now – where the afflicted person deeply believes they are genius level smart, when in reality, not even close. Wish I could remember the name of it.

dogsoldier on June 13, 2014 at 3:01 PM

I’ll trust the actions of the health insurers and the insured over the words of a male nurse posting on the internet, thanks.

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:59 PM

How so?

Chuck Schick on June 13, 2014 at 3:02 PM

Wait, are you guys now convincing yourself that the vietnamese are in a bad situation right now?

You guys really do love your fantasyland, eh?

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 3:00 PM

“I lost the argument” — everpisso/lester

Schadenfreude on June 13, 2014 at 3:02 PM

There is this syndrome I read about – can’t remember the name now – where the afflicted person deeply believes they are genius level smart, when in reality, not even close. Wish I could remember the name of it.

dogsoldier on June 13, 2014 at 3:01 PM

Liberalism

faraway on June 13, 2014 at 3:02 PM

Dominigan sounds lioe a male trying to sound tough on the internets.

And is lester a reference to something i should know about?

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 3:02 PM

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