IRS: Those Lois Lerner emails you wanted? Yeah, her computer crashed, so…

posted at 4:51 pm on June 13, 2014 by Noah Rothman

Tasked by congressional investigators with uncovering all the emails related to the alleged targeting of conservative political groups with undue scrutiny, the Internal Revenue Service made some new emails available to investigators on Friday. However, in a statement, the agency confessed that former IRS executive Lois Lerner’s computer crashed in 2011 and efforts to restore some of the data lost in that crash have been unsuccessful.

The IRS informed congressional investigators on Friday that they have been working to uncover all of Lerner’s emails, even those not relating to ongoing investigations. While searching for those emails, however, they encountered a problem:

Via the Wall Street Journal:

In the course of collecting and producing Ms. Lerner’s additional emails, the IRS determined her hard drive crashed in 2011. At the time, Ms. Lerner asked IRS IT professionals to restore her hard drive, but they were unable to do so. Nonetheless, the IRS has or will produce 24,000 Lerner emails from this 2009-2011 time period, largely from the files of the other 82 individuals

“The IRS said it has done its best to reconstruct the emails of the former executive, Lois Lerner, who retired as the controversy unfolded last year,” The Wall Street Journal reported on Friday.

The IRS statement asserts that the agency has made “unprecedented efforts” to work with investigators and provide them with all the materials they have requested.


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:-o

That’s my shocked face!

Deafdog on June 13, 2014 at 5:28 PM

None of this matters in the least.

Regardless of what law-breaking has occurred, Holder will not prosecute ANYONE that is working for the Regime.

The only people that will be prosecuted under this Department of Social Justice have an (R) or Tea Party in their files.

Embrace the SUCK.

Meople on June 13, 2014 at 5:28 PM

ABSOLUTE BS, those emails are stored on the network server, (not mail Server), as well as the hardrive. When she logs on or off to her computer the hardrive syncs changed data such as documents, internet history, and mail to the network server. That data is archived by law and is available.

sammus on June 13, 2014 at 5:28 PM

So that’s why lerner met with doj recently ?

lerner : I have some e-mails I wanna get rid of

doj : on it, right away. first we destroy your computer

lerner : but what if they can still find them

doj : google will do the same, just let them keep their money

lerner : what about irs servers

doj : what irs servers ?

lerner : teeeheeee

burrata on June 13, 2014 at 5:29 PM

Well they must be on 0bama’s computer then – so let’s go after them!!!!!
I’m so sick of this administration.
They are covering for 0bama. He demanded they do it and they have to cover for him!

Bambi on June 13, 2014 at 5:30 PM

They made a mistake saying her computer crashed. There really is no “backup” lie available to them now if some good journalist calls them on this lie.

rlwo2008 on June 13, 2014 at 5:30 PM

How stupid do these guys think we are?

COgirl on June 13, 2014 at 5:25 PM

See 2008 and 2012 election results.

HumpBot Salvation on June 13, 2014 at 5:27 PM

You’re onto something…

the_nile on June 13, 2014 at 5:31 PM

Why should her computer crashing mean the loss of these emails?

NotCoach on June 13, 2014 at 5:22 PM

It wouldn’t.

tetriskid on June 13, 2014 at 5:23 PM

Could be that they’re counting on the idea that most Americans don’t even know what an email server is. On the other hand, even if 100% did know, most won’t pay any attention to (or even hear about) this story. And even if 100% knew about servers, and did hear this story, they’ll stay with it anyway…in other words, “This is our story and we’re sticking to it…don’t like it, too bad.”

Dr. ZhivBlago on June 13, 2014 at 5:31 PM

Purely hypothetical, but:

Had this occurred during a Repub administration?

Media lapdogs morph to pitbulls!

socalcon on June 13, 2014 at 5:32 PM

So the IRS relies on thousands of individual hard drives to keep a record of communications? This day and age, large organizations keep emails centrally stored to be available via a web version of Outlook or another email client, while local storage is just for archives beyond an allotted space limit. Fail.

bhj on June 13, 2014 at 5:32 PM

Thoe emails can be recovered but Obama’s Brown Shirts won’t allow that to happen. This country is sick.

rplat on June 13, 2014 at 5:33 PM

Nobody else’s emails were lost and only those during the crucial time period in question are missing?

In the same memo that mentions this little technical boo boo the IRS asked for an end to the investigation.

The outrageous lawbreaking, obfuscation, and outright obstruction from this administration continues to roll on unabated.

How do we stop to these communist bastards?

ROCnPhilly on June 13, 2014 at 5:34 PM

ABSOLUTE BS, those emails are stored on the network server, (not mail Server), as well as the hardrive. When she logs on or off to her computer the hardrive syncs changed data such as documents, internet history, and mail to the network server. That data is archived by law and is available.

sammus on June 13, 2014 at 5:28 PM

I was thinking the same, but then I realized this is the government we are talking about. Perhaps in the IRS they do email by passing around floppy disks.

thuja on June 13, 2014 at 5:36 PM

Apparently someone decided those emails were just too dangerous to let out in the world, even if claiming they are “lost” is taken as hard evidence if not proof of wrongdoing.

Pretty much everyone with a brain realizes this was criminal corruption. Not letting it actually touch Obama or Democrat pols directly though emails, and providing the hard evidence of federal crimes, still provides ample reason to obstruct justice. Holder won’t be Attorney General forever.

novaculus on June 13, 2014 at 5:36 PM

I see a few people have already commented that the email server is the true source of all emails sent and received. And that server must be backed up regularly. It doesn’t matter what happens to her computer.

This is such a b.s. excuse, but what does it matter, when you are above the law any excuse will do.

NYCChris on June 13, 2014 at 5:36 PM

So trolls ? What did they tell you to say about this ?

burrata on June 13, 2014 at 5:36 PM

I swear this administration is doing ALL of this on purpose to cause an uprising by his so-called enemies (anyone who doesn’t agree with him) here. This started from day one.

It’s all part of the plan to push, push, nudge, nudge = chaos.

tru2tx on June 13, 2014 at 5:36 PM

Purely hypothetical, but:

Had this occurred during a Repub administration?

Media lapdogs morph to pitbulls!

socalcon on June 13, 2014 at 5:32 PM

If ANY of this law-breaking had occurred under a Republican administration, the President would have either been forced to resign or would have been impeached LONG ago.

This regime makes Nixon’s look like a bunch of pasty-white IT guys trying to play paintball with Chuck Norris.

Meople on June 13, 2014 at 5:37 PM

HORSE HOCKEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cindy Munford on June 13, 2014 at 5:37 PM

This is absurd. All this information is backed up to central servers. My emails don’t exist on my computer, they exist on my server. Even the ones I have saved and deleted from Outlook are stored on the server.

Moreover, if you’re sending an email, there’s gotta be a recipient. You must be able to search others’ folders.

I’m no computer expert, but this defies belief.

Esaus Message on June 13, 2014 at 5:37 PM

No prob…. check NSA

PaCadle on June 13, 2014 at 5:37 PM

They made a mistake saying her computer crashed. There really is no “backup” lie available to them now if some good journalist calls them on this lie.

rlwo2008 on June 13, 2014 at 5:30 PM

Like who?

leftamark on June 13, 2014 at 5:39 PM

Get it off the server back-ups which are done incrementally and monthly.

Usually done a couple of copies deep in case something happens to the main back-up site, which is off-site.

There is the on-site copy, the main off-site copy and then a third level back-up at a different site.

It is a mandatory part of the Continuation Of Operations Plan implemented by every federal agency.

ajacksonian on June 13, 2014 at 5:39 PM

Are you kidding me? My server has ALL OF MY EMAILS. And, Um…The Cloud, people.

And, um, N.S.A. Get my meaning?

Give me a break.

The IRS is lying. Period.

mountainaires on June 13, 2014 at 5:25 PM

same, exchange 2010 in closet.
have most of my emails from 2008 onwards.
there are some missing due to me screwing up a backup solution.

dmacleo on June 13, 2014 at 5:40 PM

should have backed it up on the cloud

sarc//

Dino V on June 13, 2014 at 5:40 PM

So trolls ? What did they tell you to say about this ?

burrata on June 13, 2014 at 5:36 PM

They’re up in the headlines blaming Bush for stuff. And verbaluce got his head handed to him once today already.

Judge_Dredd on June 13, 2014 at 5:41 PM

Get it off the server back-ups which are done incrementally and monthly.

Usually done a couple of copies deep in case something happens to the main back-up site, which is off-site.

There is the on-site copy, the main off-site copy and then a third level back-up at a different site.

It is a mandatory part of the Continuation Of Operations Plan implemented by every federal agency.

ajacksonian on June 13, 2014 at 5:39 PM

Sheesh, that sounds like a lot of work.

socalcon on June 13, 2014 at 5:42 PM

Probably still o floppy discs.

Cindy Munford on June 13, 2014 at 5:42 PM

They’re up in the headlines blaming Bush for stuff. And verbaluce got his head handed to him once today already.

Judge_Dredd on June 13, 2014 at 5:41 PM

Well to be fair, verbalduece gets his head pinched off everytime obama sits down.

HumpBot Salvation on June 13, 2014 at 5:44 PM

President Nixon says, “What missing 18 minutes?”

oldsquid on June 13, 2014 at 5:44 PM

They made a mistake saying her computer crashed. There really is no “backup” lie available to them now if some good journalist calls them on this lie.

rlwo2008 on June 13, 2014 at 5:30 PM

The hard drive on her computer crashed into the email server cluster ?

Took out the whole building , the remote located backup servers and the fireproof stored backup media?

Your plan fails on finding this “good journalist” device(?) that will magically appear.

the_nile on June 13, 2014 at 5:45 PM

Who in the world stores emails on a single desktop/laptop computer? It’s just not done that way. Emails are stored on a server. Many times emails stored on redundant servers with redundant drives and always backups. Lots of backups.

Is any organization really that stupid, or does any organization really think we are that stupid?

WestTexasBirdDog on June 13, 2014 at 5:45 PM

No one is madder than Obama…but then…What difference does it make?

right2bright on June 13, 2014 at 5:46 PM

What….no, “dog ate my hard drive” excuse?

The problem lies not in these lying scoundrel politicians. The problem lies in an electorate the lefts and tolerates such people.

Huckabye-Romney on June 13, 2014 at 5:46 PM

Lefts=elects. Damn racist autocorrect.

Huckabye-Romney on June 13, 2014 at 5:48 PM

The Republicans need to throw up a HUGE RED FLAG over this. This is where they should be demanding a special prosecutor!

This is evidence tampering PERIOD, there is no other explanation.

Emails are not stored on personal computers. Emails are stored on enterprise servers that are backed up. Her email would be recoverable from multiple backups.

EricS on June 13, 2014 at 5:49 PM

Tasked by congressional investigators with uncovering all the emails related to the alleged targeting of conservative political groups with undue scrutiny, the Internal Revenue Service made some new emails available to investigators on Friday. However, in a statement, the agency confessed that former IRS executive Lois Lerner’s computer crashed in 2011 and efforts to restore some of the data lost in that crash have been unsuccessful.

Noah Rothman on June 13, 2014 at 4:51 PM

.
Oh darn . . . . . what an unlucky occurrence.

Oh well, “luck-of-the-draw” I guess.

I wonder how well they document events and procedures, like a hard drive crash, repair and/or subsequent OS re-installation?

listens2glenn on June 13, 2014 at 5:50 PM

How stupid do these guys think we are?

COgirl on June 13, 2014 at 5:25 PM

See 2008 and 2012 election results.

HumpBot Salvation on June 13, 2014 at 5:27 PM

The evidence is not promising.

But it’s not simply stupidity. There are plenty of Americans who will accept this excuse, because they don’t care whether it’s true or false. They have no interest in whether justice is being obstructed, because they don’t care about whether the rights of people they disagree with were violated.

s1im on June 13, 2014 at 5:51 PM

ajacksonian on June 13, 2014 at 5:39 PM

Which will bring us to the next line of excuses….

…the backups are corrupted and we can’t retrieve that specific information….

…others were accidentally overwritten…

…the rest, we can’t find.

With this Administration, it’s immaterial what the law is or what the law requires. They believe that they are above the law and above accountability. They, and their ‘technical contractors’ have little concept or knowledge of ‘best IT practices’. Those only get in the way of their agenda and open themselves to being held accountable and responsible.

What’s even more telling is how transparent, vapid, and feckless their excuses / explanations are. They defy common sense – which is why only the sycophants, shills, and apparatchiks buy them.

Athos on June 13, 2014 at 5:53 PM

Why do they get to even turn in evidence themselves? If this is your or I, we dont get that option. They come and take the evidence. The authorities need to go in and take everything they want. They need to go in and get back ups of the servers and her pc hard drive. The IRS should no longer be able to go through evidence. What kind of sense does it make to allow them the chance to destroy evidence?!?!

bucsox79 on June 13, 2014 at 5:53 PM

The Republicans need to throw up a HUGE RED FLAG over this. This is where they should be demanding a special prosecutor!

This is evidence tampering PERIOD, there is no other explanation.

Emails are not stored on personal computers. Emails are stored on enterprise servers that are backed up. Her email would be recoverable from multiple backups.

EricS on June 13, 2014 at 5:49 PM

Even if it’s evidence tampering and obstruction of justices and any other crime you can think of…

Holder won’t prosecute. Period. So, nothing is going to happen unless the voters elect a President in 2016 that will have their AG do actually something about it. Of course by that time, all evidence will be LONG gone.

Meople on June 13, 2014 at 5:53 PM

The reason they do this is because they think we’re stupid. They think that because “we the people” are stupid. To ram this point home, Democrats are favored in a generic Congressional election according to RCP. When you elect a tyrant/criminal to the White House, the results are not hard to contemplate. If Republicans take the Senate, they should immediately vote for a flat/fair tax and eliminate the Gestapo/IRS.

Every week (sometimes twice per week) yet another scandal breaks out of the Obama syndicate.

cajunpatriot on June 13, 2014 at 5:54 PM

I’m surprised they didn’t send Susan Rice to a Sunday show to report this.

TarheelBen on June 13, 2014 at 5:54 PM

Surely the NSA has them in their files.

Jayrae on June 13, 2014 at 5:55 PM

…funny how they always have problems, and inept people to search for the answers.

KOOLAID2 on June 13, 2014 at 5:56 PM

My suggestion, for what it’s worth- A. Let Issa, et al continue slow-walkin this. Get documentation on the repair, ask the basic question about process, servers & other infrastructure, get the IT leaders on the record about what the law requires for backup & their usual process, etc. Build a solid case.

B. Public opinion- Point out that an ignorant snowbilly way up in Alaska managed to hang on to her emails, which have been combed over & produced.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/43281157/ns/politics-more_politics/t/complete-archive-palin-emails-online-now/

Ask Obama- If the Palin administration competently preserved her records, why can’t your brilliant team? Heck, I bet Sarah would be willing to sit down for an interview with a current administration official on one of the “big 3″ networks to discuss it…

(never happen- but IMO should)

cs89 on June 13, 2014 at 5:56 PM

The IRS, like most if not all government agencies, uses Exchange servers. Her personal computer is irrelevant and everyone knows it.

Winks on June 13, 2014 at 5:57 PM

Oh you want to talk to the mechanic that worked on Ron Brown’s plane? I’m sorry, he committed suicide.

Flange on June 13, 2014 at 5:57 PM

There’s no mistake here. As far as I can tell, NARA requires emails to be retained for up to 3 years.

And thats all they have.

BobMbx on June 13, 2014 at 5:58 PM

Yeah, this is crap. I work in IT with one of my responsibilities being Exchange Administration. Any mail that ever passes through the servers is backed up — incoming or outgoing — and all backups are required by law to be kept for 7 years.

Additionally, most people keep local archive files in order to preserve their space limit for their mail profile. In-office users keep the archive files are kept on network shares which are incrementally backed up daily and full backups are done weekly. The incremental backups are only kept for 7 days though, and the weekly full backups are overwritten after 6 weeks. This is plenty of time for easy recovery if the user loses something, but is completely separate from the back-end backups.

Our remote users have their archive files on their local hard drives, but we run a web-based backup solution for those as well so that even if they lose their hard drive, they don’t lose their archive.

Of all this, the user’s stuff is simply “best practice.” The back end stuff is required by law, ad I can’t imagine that the Federal Govt doesn’t also do the same things on the back end, becuz well… I used to work as a contractor for the DoD and that’s how we did it then too. All emails were encrypted, digitally signed, and backed up. End of story.

Complete farce.

Magson on June 13, 2014 at 5:59 PM

The effin IRS can track and go after a 30 year old tax debt – but they can’t produce emails from 2010-2013 from email server backups that are required by law to be available?

When I worked in the Financial Services industry around stock, bonds, commodities, asset / portfolio management, we had very specific requirements to maintain a decade’s worth of data including trades and communications between advisers and clients. We regularly got requests from the NASD, SEC, and other regulatory bodies for data needed to address investigations – and none of them would have accepted the IRS’s bs excuse about a ‘hard drive crash’ causing the loss of the required data.

People need to lose their jobs / go to jail – but in this Admin, that never happens.

This is the Presidency / Administration that Nixon wished he had. They only thing that kept Nixon from achieving that goal was the -R after his name.

Athos on June 13, 2014 at 6:02 PM

Can’t they get the stuff from the person she sent the emails to?

Cindy Munford on June 13, 2014 at 6:03 PM

It seems just like yesterday when the jihadis of DC were preaching about how cool it is that Hussein’s bundler is investigating the
Islamic Retribution Service .

burrata on June 13, 2014 at 6:09 PM

REALLY?? REALLY? They must think we are just plain stupid.

momsaysso on June 13, 2014 at 6:11 PM

This is way better than dog and homework.

Kissmygrits on June 13, 2014 at 6:11 PM

Im about ready to march. At what point do we say enough is enough? We can not allow them to get away with this.

bucsox79 on June 13, 2014 at 6:13 PM

Rosemary Woods is working in government IT now?

GarandFan on June 13, 2014 at 6:13 PM

REALLY?? REALLY? They must think we are just plain stupid.

momsaysso on June 13, 2014 at 6:11 PM

As a matter of fact they do. And with regard to “we” being the whole of America, they would be correct.

Meople on June 13, 2014 at 6:15 PM

I don’t know who they think they are trying to fool…well, of course Obama’s CIA admitted to destroying tapes, so….

But this claim is utter B.S. Not just on its face, but in the actuality of events and modern I.T. practices?

Email is archived these days, even if they are “deleted” or a “computer crashes” for some strange reason. In some archive vault, so to speak (for you non-tech people.)

Send me the hard drive….I’ll see what can be recovered. I have, um, toolz.

Or have the FBI take the drive as evidence and use their way cool toolz.

SMH.

ProfShadow on June 13, 2014 at 6:18 PM

Sheesh, that sounds like a lot of work.

socalcon on June 13, 2014 at 5:42 PM

It is for the sys admin or the person who gets those duties, but its pretty much getting the incrementals on to the storage media and that can be set up as an automated routine (depending on media, of course). For e-mail you aren’t talking about that much time or data, save for the monthly and that can be a few hours.

The problem is that it is nearly impossible to actually get rid of data with this sort of system as there are lots of extra copies sitting around. Even if it was ONLY the crashed disc, it can still be read by data forensics software, and not at a high price, either. To actually destroy data you need to physically destroy the media.

No matter how many systems have crashed, the discs can be read and the tape back-ups can be read, and the older media waiting for re-use can still have forensics done on them to get the data back. No excuse can be used to say the data is gone save for a nuclear device hitting the main site, the off-site back-up and the secondary off-site back-up… and they tend to be at different geographic locations. And I haven’t seen a nuclear war going on, so… the data is available.

ajacksonian on June 13, 2014 at 6:21 PM

Subpoena every single IT person at the IRS. Then jail a bunch. They’ll find the emails.

MTF on June 13, 2014 at 4:59 PM

*Waves hand* Ohh! Ohh! I’m more than qualified to put in place a backup and restore process for a company’s network. And I just happened to be unemployed at the moment. It’ll be a job created and filled.

But seriously, even if what the IRS says is true (in bizzaro world), is this the organization you want managing your healthcare?

Mitoch55 on June 13, 2014 at 6:24 PM

Can’t they get the stuff from the person she sent the emails to?

Cindy Munford on June 13, 2014 at 6:03 PM

No, but not because their computers “crashed” too, but because those recipients of Lerner’s e-mails are the people (in the White House, and probably also in Holder’s DOJ), whose corrupt asses they’re trying to protect with this obvious destruction of evidence/obstruction of justice.

AZCoyote on June 13, 2014 at 6:26 PM

This is BS. They would be on a server somewhere or on a network device that is archiving all her emails.

Even if her computer did crash the emails are still on the hard drive and easily recoverable. If the hard drive crashed and the emails weren’t backed up on a server then why didn’t she have a RAID array on her computer to prevent someone with such an important job from losing all of their data?

TL:DR
They’re lying.

29Victor on June 13, 2014 at 6:28 PM

The 21st century version of “The dog ate my homework”…

JohnGalt23 on June 13, 2014 at 6:29 PM

Snowden surely can furnish you with copies.

Jayrae on June 13, 2014 at 6:30 PM

Get it off the server back-ups which are done incrementally and monthly.

Usually done a couple of copies deep in case something happens to the main back-up site, which is off-site.

There is the on-site copy, the main off-site copy and then a third level back-up at a different site.

It is a mandatory part of the Continuation Of Operations Plan implemented by every federal agency.

ajacksonian on June 13, 2014 at 5:39 PM

Yep. And shouldn’t they specifically have an email retention device on their network since they’re subject to FOIA requests?

29Victor on June 13, 2014 at 6:30 PM

This excuse is so ludicrous, it’s the equivalent of them saying “No, you can’t have those e-mails because we don’t want you to see them.”

AUINSC on June 13, 2014 at 6:33 PM

No effin way. Even deleted emails where i work are maintained. This is total BS. I’d love to tell the IRS i just cant find my last two years of tax information and see what that gets me. These people need to be strung up and put on display for future reference.

jaywemm on June 13, 2014 at 6:34 PM

Im about ready to march. At what point do we say enough is enough? We can not allow them to get away with this.

bucsox79 on June 13, 2014 at 6:13 PM

Did you see the reports about how the administration took certain members of congress on a tour of some public facilities that are housing the current flood of illegal aliens — and told these members of congress that they could not take photos?

Members of congress, who are elected to represent we the people who own the buildings in which these illegals are being stuffed, are not allowed to take photos of these illegal aliens, who are going to cost us hundreds of billions of dollars in services. They were prevented from taking photos because the criminally corrupt Obama administration, which is also supposed to be serving our interests, doesn’t want we the people to see the effects of their rampant lawlessness.

We now have our Border Patrol agents wiping babies’ asses and cooking burritos for warehouses full of illegal aliens, while criminal smuggling cartels have free reign to ply their trades all along the southwest border corridor — with the Obama administration providing active assistance to the criminals and willingly becoming part of the criminal conspiracy (and that last bit is from a federal judge, not me).

AZCoyote on June 13, 2014 at 6:34 PM

Zimbabwe laughs at you, USA.

Schadenfreude on June 13, 2014 at 6:36 PM

Her computer crashed, so the IRS lost 2 years of her email? Sorry but that’s not even possible. Former corporate email system admin here, this is candidate for lie of the year. Her emails live on the IRS email servers (which are backed up, that’s the law) so it doesn’t matter if her computer crashed! Also the IRS certainly has an archive device to save all emails before they even reach a mailbox!

shanimal on June 13, 2014 at 6:36 PM

Dont worry guys, the next election…I promise…we will vote the right people in and justice will finally be served!

You just watch! Ya, next time! Be patient! Our system is working exactly as it should! Dont worry, it will all work out! You’ll see….you’ll see…

Ya…

Alinsky on June 13, 2014 at 6:37 PM

They’re lying.

29Victor on June 13, 2014 at 6:28 PM

Yes they are, and there is only one reason why they would tell such an obvious and easily refutable lie: the e-mails prove the IRS criminality was ordered by and directed from the White House.

AZCoyote on June 13, 2014 at 6:37 PM

The computer crashed is a bunch of crap, corporate e-mail only caches a copy of the e-mail and syncs all the mail to the main server whenever they can connect. Yes you can lose some things in your outbox that wasn’t able to connect to the server to finish sending the mail but that’s it.

So her IT department or the IRS needs to explain why her machine is the only location of those e-mails and the e-mails are either received or sent so the other side of those transactions would have those e-mails.

Someone needs to inform The United People of Obama that they haven’t dumbed us down enough yet to believe the crap sandwich they are trying to serve to us.

cmptrnerd on June 13, 2014 at 6:37 PM

Our remote users have their archive files on their local hard drives, but we run a web-based backup solution for those as well so that even if they lose their hard drive, they don’t lose their archive.

Magson on June 13, 2014 at 5:59 PM

curious, what do you use?
gfi?

dmacleo on June 13, 2014 at 6:42 PM

Well, of course not. Do you honestly think that the IRS backs up their top brass’s emails? Not under Obama! Too much incriminating evidence.

Vanceone on June 13, 2014 at 6:43 PM

Nixon resigned for similar circumstances. Of course Republican senators of honor and decency told him he had to.

NYCMike on June 13, 2014 at 6:45 PM

Her computer crashed, so the IRS lost 2 years of her email? Sorry but that’s not even possible. Former corporate email system admin here, this is candidate for lie of the year decade century millennium recorded human history eternity. Her emails live on the IRS email servers (which are backed up, that’s the law) so it doesn’t matter if her computer crashed! Also the IRS certainly has an archive device to save all emails before they even reach a mailbox!

shanimal on June 13, 2014 at 6:36 PM

non-nonpartisan on June 13, 2014 at 6:46 PM

Are they really trying to BS Congress and is Congress THAT stupid?? (YES on both counts for sure)
Any large scale organization uses e-mail systems where the email data is mirrored on servers and, in some cases, only accessible to a server copy (no local email storage).
Therefore it doesn’t matter if her HDD crashed as there should be a server backup.
That is, of course, assuming the IRS uses an email system designed some time after the 1980s.

powerpickle on June 13, 2014 at 6:48 PM

Snowden might be able to help… maybe he can tell Greenwald where to look/search for the ‘lost’ IRS emails among the millions of pages of info he stole…

jimver on June 13, 2014 at 6:53 PM

The homework ate my dog. The IRS can’t even get their lies straight. But the one dog that survived, the lapdog media, will save the IRS.

MaiDee on June 13, 2014 at 6:54 PM

We have an Exchange server for email. EVERYTHING is backed up on the server, and by law must be retained for, if memory serves, a minimum of 7 years. Lerner’s personal computer crashing doesn’t do crap to her official email. I should know… We’ve had two computers in my office alone fried by lightning in the past couple weeks, and neither employee lost email.

The only possibility would be if the encryption keys were lost… But if MITS isn’t storing backup keys on an air-gapped server, I’d be both shocked (really, no sarcasm) and horrified.

Asurea on June 13, 2014 at 6:58 PM

Easy–peasy. Just pin a note to her chest requesting the emails (a la Theo Van Gogh). Then, pin a note to the chest of everyone in the IRS IT department until they produce the emails.

Should take about an hour for the word to get around.

PD Quig on June 13, 2014 at 6:59 PM

ABSOLUTE BS, those emails are stored on the network server, (not mail Server), as well as the hardrive. When she logs on or off to her computer the hardrive syncs changed data such as documents, internet history, and mail to the network server. That data is archived by law and is available.

sammus on June 13, 2014 at 5:28 PM

Exactly. Even the IRS should be using servers in 2014. Don’t forget though, the law only applies to the citizens. Our government, especially this administration, is above the law.

ncconservative on June 13, 2014 at 7:01 PM

They don’t back up their computers? That should be illegal for a public agency.

kcewa on June 13, 2014 at 7:03 PM

Nobody with a lick of sense buys any of this, but we just have to sit and take this.

We are going to have to descend upon D.C. en masse before this one party crime syndicate is stopped. It is too late to vote our way out of this.

Too bad we are not as brave as the 85 year olds who stormed the war memorials.

We. deserve. this.

Exninja on June 13, 2014 at 7:12 PM

They don’t back up their computers? That should be illegal for a public agency.

kcewa on June 13, 2014 at 7:03 PM

data would live in at least 4 different places: local, server, backup and recipient. so, it’s all BS, they are shameless liars.

jimver on June 13, 2014 at 7:16 PM

I call b.s. I can’t believe that they don’t have a cloud-based, vault-style remote e-mail system. That’s pretty standard for any large organization, and allows email to be accessed from smart phones and remote computers.

HakerA on June 13, 2014 at 7:18 PM

Easy–peasy. Just pin a note to her chest requesting the emails (a la Theo Van Gogh). Then, pin a note to the chest of everyone in the IRS IT department until they produce the emails.

Should take about an hour for the word to get around.

PD Quig on June 13, 2014 at 6:59 PM

You might want to be careful with that nonsense talk…not cool, dude…

jimver on June 13, 2014 at 7:20 PM

Why do they get to even turn in evidence themselves? If this is your or I, we dont get that option. They come and take the evidence. The authorities need to go in and take everything they want. They need to go in and get back ups of the servers and her pc hard drive. The IRS should no longer be able to go through evidence. What kind of sense does it make to allow them the chance to destroy evidence?!?!

bucsox79 on June 13, 2014 at 5:53 PM

That right there is what the DOJ is for!

Yup, the DOJ, Eric (the red) Holder. He’ll be right on that shit, just you wait. I bet he’s made as hell. why how CAN the IRS lie to the good sheeple of Amerika like that. Justice will be served under that guy all right and pronto.

old school on June 13, 2014 at 7:20 PM

Come on Mr. Issa let’s offer immunity/or subpenas and get to the truth. You’ve been slow walking this for too long.

diogenes on June 13, 2014 at 7:22 PM

IT people, even ones who have worked for the government, are flooding Mark Levin’s phone lines on his program this evening and are adamant that losing these e-mails are an impossibility.

They are even telling Issa what to do.

It is incredible. Each and every one is screaming this is deliberate fraud and saying this is equivalent to the missing minutes on the Nixon Watergate tapes.

Pass the popcorn please!

Jayrae on June 13, 2014 at 7:22 PM

…and somebody accidentally deleted the internet!!

Axeman on June 13, 2014 at 7:23 PM

Ben Shapiro is onto something. Time to change the RICO statute to allow civilians to sue the Feds and their operatives, including but not limited to Eric Holder and Obama.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1476765138?pc_redir=1402620106&robot_redir=1

jawkneemusic on June 13, 2014 at 5:14 PM

Dems will just try to convince their lofo constituents that that bill will drown kitties.

Axeman on June 13, 2014 at 7:25 PM

The authorities need to go in and take everything they want. They need to go in and get back ups of the servers and her pc hard drive. The IRS should no longer be able to go through evidence. What kind of sense does it make to allow them the chance to destroy evidence?!?!

bucsox79 on June 13, 2014 at 5:53 PM

They’ve had months now to delete everything incriminating — on Lerner’s computers, on the servers, everywhere.

AZCoyote on June 13, 2014 at 7:35 PM

This is complete BS. Copies of all emails would still be found on the email servers for the department, and also for the agencies with which she exchanged emails. These servers would have regular backup and redundant storage. There is exactly zero chance that a government agency depended on individual employee’s desktop or laptop computers as their one and only archive storage of the agency’s emails. And I speak as a software engineer who works in a government agency.

Socratease on June 13, 2014 at 7:40 PM

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