Great news: Iran thinking of working with U.S. to pacify Iraq

posted at 11:31 am on June 13, 2014 by Allahpundit

I’m not sure what “cooperation” means here, exactly. Are we talking about loose coordination, with U.S. jets targeting ISIS supply lines to make things easier for Iraqi troops on the ground? Or are we talking about Martin Dempsey and Qassem Suleimani on the phone together, plotting coordinated air-ground action on the front lines between the USAF and IRGC?

Really excited about a formal partnership with Shiite terrorists to defeat Sunni terrorists. Onward to the future!

Shi’te Muslim Iran is so alarmed by Sunni insurgent gains in Iraq that it may be willing to cooperate with Washington in helping Baghdad fight back, a senior Iranian official told Reuters.

The idea is being discussed internally among the Islamic Republic’s leadership, the senior Iranian official told Reuters, speaking on condition of anonymity. The official had no word on whether the idea had been raised with any other party…

“We can work with Americans to end the insurgency in the Middle East,” the official said, referring to events in Iraq.

“We are very influential in Iraq, Syria and many other countries.”

Supposedly Iran’s willing to send only weapons and advisors, like 150 Quds Force troops, to Iraq right now, but some U.S. officials think Baghdad’s going to be overrun if something doesn’t change quickly on the ground. (“The Green Zone is going down.”) If Tehran was willing to send IRGC and Hezbollah muscle to Syria to help Assad, they’ll eventually muscle up to stop ISIS from pushing to the Iranian border too. Maliki still has Shiite militias in Baghdad and southern Iraq he can call on — they started to remobilize months ago as ISIS advanced south — but ISIS has evolved into a professional fighting force, now equipped with U.S. weaponry confiscated in Mosul. How long would the militias last against 12,000 ISIS guerrillas? Time for Iran to fight a two-front war of its own.

One thing that interests me about the rise of ISIS is how it represents yet another misjudgment by Al Qaeda about its prospects in Iraq. They tried to turn Anbar province into a base during the U.S. occupation but ended up alienating the locals with their brutality, which led to the Awakening, which in turn kept them from putting together the sort of broad advance we’re seeing right now. One of the lessons they seem to have learned from that was that they can’t afford to be quite as savage with the locals as they might like, culminating in AQ actually kicking ISIS out of its coalition in Syria due in part to that group’s even more insane brutality. Fast-forward four months and not only is ISIS as vicious as ever, leaving decapitated Iraqi troops by the side of the road and forcing captives to dig their own graves before having their throats slit, they’ve actually formed a coalition of their own with some of Saddam’s Baathist henchmen and leftover Sunni insurgents who hate Maliki’s government. The NYT has an eye-popping story today about some Iraqi Sunnis choosing to return to Mosul, now occupied by ISIS, simply because they’ve concluded that anything would be better than rule by the Shiite government in Baghdad at this point. That’s how disastrous Maliki’s sectarian approach to government has been for Iraq. Zawahiri and Al Qaeda must be mystified, though. First they were too brutal and failed; now an even more brutal group is threatening to take over the country, with Sunni support. That’s more a function of bad timing than bad strategy, with ISIS exploiting a political and security vacuum left by America’s departure, but oh well.

Exit question: Which dumb piece of conventional wisdom will the foreign-policy establishment be pushing soon vis-a-vis Iraq? The idea that a peace deal between Israel and the Palestinians might help solve this crisis? Or the idea that there are “moderates” within ISIS whom we should reach out to for peace talks?

Update: And there you have it.

Ayatollah Sistani, Iraq’s highest-ranking Shiite cleric, also put out the call today for Iraqis to fight ISIS. Sunni/Shiite civil war, dead ahead.


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obama’s friends and bros…

Kerry: hawk, dove, hawk again

Hillary: hawk, dove, hawk

Schadenfreude on June 13, 2014 at 11:33 AM

So, Iran rescues it’s own, but Obama won’t?

faraway on June 13, 2014 at 11:34 AM

Maybe Iran can rescue our citizens in the American Embassy.

faraway on June 13, 2014 at 11:35 AM

I’m sure this will THRILL Talibama and VJAR.

So, when do we get to blame the Iraq melt down on Talibama and his Chamberlain Regime?

Meople on June 13, 2014 at 11:35 AM

When people said Obama was a uniter, I’m not sure this is what they had in mind. Or maybe it was?

Good Lt on June 13, 2014 at 11:36 AM

Wonderful. The Iranian are such peace loving folks.

Bigbullets on June 13, 2014 at 11:36 AM

Good to know we released this guy to pitch in over there. Warning: Graphic image at link.

Bmore on June 13, 2014 at 11:37 AM

@ZekeJMiller

BREAKING: 11:50AM THE PRESIDENT delivers a statement on the situation in Iraq

sentinelrules on June 13, 2014 at 11:37 AM

Hillary said this week that her/obama’s biggest achievements are that the world again loves America, they inherited a hateful world and now we’re all peaceful. Send them your gratitude, rubes.

Schadenfreude on June 13, 2014 at 11:39 AM

Arm and support whoever is currently losing.

aquaviva on June 13, 2014 at 11:39 AM

I’m beginning to feel like an idiot.

The Middle East is a Rubik’s Cube.

jake-the-goose on June 13, 2014 at 11:40 AM

This was the inevitable outcome of the decapitation of Saddam’s regime. But this is good news, because the Kurds may finally have their own country, and Iran will stabilize the Middle East.

antisense on June 13, 2014 at 11:40 AM

In Obama’s world, this as a positive development.

WisRich on June 13, 2014 at 11:40 AM

So Putin is mitigating Syria and Iran is mitigating Iraq…

Odie1941 on June 13, 2014 at 11:40 AM

Which means that Iran and its boss Russia are sort of in charge of the world now.

Well done, Comrade Obama.

Baghdad will be a massacre. The links from Drudge have pics of civilians signing up to defend the city because the army won’t. Awful.

PattyJ on June 13, 2014 at 11:40 AM

So that puts us between Iraq and a hard place?

Flange on June 13, 2014 at 11:41 AM

ALERT Hopey on Iraq at 11:50PM
================================

http://www.breakingnews.com/

http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/iraq-violence/

Iraq violence
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President Obama to make a statement on situation in Iraq on White House South Lawn at 11:50 am ET – @NBCNews

http://www.whitehouse.gov/live

Mark Knoller @markknoller · 49s

Pres Obama to make a statement on Iraq at 1150am/ET on the South Drive – and then proceed to Marine One for his departure.

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Mark Knoller @markknoller · 1m

BREAKING: Pres Obama to make a statement to reporters on the South Lawn shortly before departing.

Iraq violence
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Iran Revolutionary Guards are fighting inside Iraq in support of government against ISIS, official says – @RAGreeneCNN
see original on twitter.com

canopfor on June 13, 2014 at 11:41 AM

I actually, I would see an oncoming Iran-Iraqi slaughter as a silver lining of Obama’s presidency. Muslims killing other Muslims is much more preferred than Muslims united with other Muslims in killing Americans together.

Rix on June 13, 2014 at 11:41 AM

So that puts us between Iraq and a hard place?

Flange on June 13, 2014 at 11:41 AM

Drops mic…

Odie1941 on June 13, 2014 at 11:41 AM

So that puts us between Iraq and a hard place?

Flange on June 13, 2014 at 11:41 AM

Boo this man.

Good Lt on June 13, 2014 at 11:42 AM

Turns out that one of the released 5 helped the 9/11 act.

Schadenfreude on June 13, 2014 at 11:43 AM

https://twitter.com/frankthorpNBC

Retweeted by Frank Thorp V
Peter Alexander @PeterAlexander · 1m

Obama will NOT be announcing any action, but will give update on situation in Iraq, according to a senior Admin official.

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Frank Thorp V @frankthorpNBC · 35s

McKeon: “The President should also ask himself if his WH National Security team is equal to the crisis at hand. I don’t believe they are.”

canopfor on June 13, 2014 at 11:43 AM

Sunni/Shiite civil war, dead ahead.

I hope both sides win.

WhatSlushfund on June 13, 2014 at 11:43 AM

Iraq violence
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Report: Pentagon to move aircraft carrier into Persian Gulf in case of potential airstrikes in Iraq – @barbarastarrCNN

canopfor on June 13, 2014 at 11:44 AM

On Morning Joe this morning John McCain issued a scathing rebuttal to the liberal narrative that the deterioration of the Iraqi government is Bush’s fault. McCain specifically said he and other advisers had returned from Iraq (after the surge that “successfully won that war”), and begged the Obama administration to leave a residual force, (15 to 20 thousand troops), to keep the country stabilized. Instead, Barack Obama and his security advisers refused to consider this sound advice, or the historical significance of leaving a small force in place—Germany, Japan, South Korea, Bosnia—to maintain peace and stability.

Mika Brzezinski and the liberal panel wanted to return to the narrative that we should have never fought this war, a debatable discussion, but hardly relevant to the current crisis in Iraq, which has come about because of the power vacuum that ensued because Obama chose “to end the war” by completely withdrawing all U.S. presence. The complete failure of the Obama policies in this situation basically guaranteed the outcome we are witnessing today, which earns him a grade of F-

Rovin on June 13, 2014 at 11:45 AM

Let me get this straight. In 2009, Obama released the AQ terrorist that is about to take over Baghdad and kill Americans?

Isn’t this a f’ing big deal? Like maybe bigger than Carter’s helicopter debacle?

faraway on June 13, 2014 at 11:46 AM

What are the odds that Iran’s border is expanded after their assistance? Or that Iraq ends up as 3 separate countries?

The Iranians take Baghdad and South. Shiite state.

ISIS takes most of northern areas. Sunni state.

Kurds take kirkuk and NE part of country.

HumpBot Salvation on June 13, 2014 at 11:48 AM

Total humiliation….

sandee on June 13, 2014 at 11:48 AM

I love it when a plan comes together….really, every two bit tribal leader or dictator now knows he can do anything without encountering any US resistance

jaywemm on June 13, 2014 at 11:48 AM

Kerry on Iraq: hawk, dove, hawk now.

Hillary on Iraq: hawk, dove, hawk now.

Leftists, I hope you all choke in obama’s azz, to a T.

Schadenfreude on June 13, 2014 at 11:49 AM

Total humiliation….

sandee on June 13, 2014 at 11:48 AM

Obama has surrendered Iraq.

Let that sink in

faraway on June 13, 2014 at 11:50 AM

Exit question: Which dumb piece of conventional wisdom will the foreign-policy establishment be pushing soon vis-a-vis Iraq?

We can offer Putin a chance to return to Western good graces by placing him in charge of coordinating the Alawite (Assad/Syria)-Shia (Iran) coalition’s pincer movement against ISIS in Northern Iraq, while Maliki with whatever token U.S. support Obama can provide without enraging the Left at home pushes back from the south. Maybe Putin will feel so flattered and grateful to be back in the International Community that he’ll withdrawal from the Crimea and stop fomenting unrest in Ukraine and the Baltics.

And the wo-oo-oorld will be One. J. Lennon.

de rigueur on June 13, 2014 at 11:50 AM

Now Streaming…
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The President Makes a Statement on Iraq

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canopfor on June 13, 2014 at 11:51 AM

So Obama’s foreign policy is so screwed up that Iran wants to work with the Great Satan? Dogs and cats living together! Churchill allying with the Devil! Obama’s just duplicitous enough he might call it a diplomatic opening and drop all the sanctions.

Fenris on June 13, 2014 at 11:51 AM

Jugears finally has some friends he can work with.

Maybe a few tons of plutonium as a ‘thank you’

Good muslims can work things out together..

its all for Allah

txdoc on June 13, 2014 at 11:52 AM

Obama is late to his own speech, of course.

faraway on June 13, 2014 at 11:54 AM

What color golf slacks will he be wearing?

faraway on June 13, 2014 at 11:55 AM

The only reason Iran is involved is to take over Iraq.

Sven on June 13, 2014 at 11:55 AM

What color golf slacks will he be wearing?

faraway on June 13, 2014 at 11:55 AM

Don’t be silly. He’ll change into a suit first. Probably why he’s late.

Fenris on June 13, 2014 at 11:56 AM

Syria is offering help now.

Sven on June 13, 2014 at 11:56 AM

Obama is late to his own speech, of course.

faraway on June 13, 2014 at 11:54 AM

faraway:Yup,..but early for Fund raising, and golf tho!!:)

canopfor on June 13, 2014 at 11:57 AM

Ah yes, Iran . . . a perfect blend for the Obama administration. This government is absolutely insane.

rplat on June 13, 2014 at 11:57 AM

So vietnam ended with a helicopter fleeing Saigon.

Iraq will end with Obama fleeing the white house in a helicopter.

kcewa on June 13, 2014 at 11:58 AM

Obama is reading the newspaper first, this time.

faraway on June 13, 2014 at 11:58 AM

Bergdahl at 4:30PM:)

US Army Sgt. Bergdahl freed
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Brooke Army Medical Center in San Antonio to hold press conference at 4 pm ET on Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl – @DanLinden
see original on twitter.com

canopfor on June 13, 2014 at 11:58 AM

Hillary said this week that her/obama’s biggest achievements are that the world again loves America, they inherited a hateful world and now we’re all peaceful. Send them your gratitude, rubes.

Schadenfreude on June 13, 2014 at 11:39 AM

You racist sexist misogynistic irrationallistic plenophobe.

Bigbullets on June 13, 2014 at 11:59 AM

What color golf slacks will he be wearing?

faraway on June 13, 2014 at 11:55 AM

One of those keen bermuda short suits??

bimmcorp on June 13, 2014 at 12:00 PM

Obama (in effect): “I have surrendered Iraq”

faraway on June 13, 2014 at 12:00 PM

Obama is reading the newspaper first, this time.

faraway on June 13, 2014 at 11:58 AM

Where else would the President get his information?

Bigbullets on June 13, 2014 at 12:01 PM

So vietnam ended with a helicopter fleeing Saigon.

Iraq will end with Obama fleeing the white house in a helicopter.

kcewa on June 13, 2014 at 11:58 AM

Boom

faraway on June 13, 2014 at 12:01 PM

Iraq violence
LIVE
Live video: President Obama makes a statement on Iraq from the White House South Lawn – @NBCNews

http://www.breakingnews.com/

canopfor on June 13, 2014 at 12:01 PM

Obama will be posting his Iraq Surrender Bracket this afternoon

faraway on June 13, 2014 at 12:02 PM

Barky says, “meh…it’s up to Iraq to take care of their own probs…when’s tee time, Joe??”

bimmcorp on June 13, 2014 at 12:03 PM

6/13/14: Obama Surrenders Iraq

faraway on June 13, 2014 at 12:03 PM

AQ Goons are doing a Blitzkrieg 1937 Rape/Murder of Nanking,
Scrotched/Scortched Earth!

So Hopey only wants to talk and dither!!!

canopfor on June 13, 2014 at 12:03 PM

…a lot of Christians are going to die!

KOOLAID2 on June 13, 2014 at 12:03 PM

Obama is not going to do anything, 9/11 training camps are being drawn up as we speak.

He/media will blame Bush until the end of time.

RAGIN CAJUN on June 13, 2014 at 12:03 PM

Retweeted by NBC News
Chuck Todd @chucktodd · 1m

POTUS says no ground troops. Says he wants other options to help Iraq and will contemplate in the “days ahead”.

canopfor on June 13, 2014 at 12:03 PM

Great news: Another Oduma foreign policy disaster. Who would have ever suspected the ‘Reset’ button was going to be so effective?

Whatever would US enemies do without the current administration? They must be saying, “We are do lucky that the Americans elected Oduma president and that he selected such foreign policy giants like Shillary Clinton and John ‘Reporting For Duty’ Kerry as his Secretaries of State. Allah must truly love us!”

Bill M on June 13, 2014 at 12:04 PM

But Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia!

BigGator5 on June 13, 2014 at 12:05 PM

Step 1: Get all US personnel out of the Middle East

Step 2: Put a nuclear umbrella over Israel

Step 3: Put out the word in the Middle East that the Mahdi and the Masih ad-Dajjal were spotted in Iraq.

Step 4: Make popcorn.

WhatSlushfund on June 13, 2014 at 12:05 PM

…a lot of Christians are going to die!

KOOLAID2 on June 13, 2014 at 12:03 PM

What does it matter if they are Christian? I am more concerned about the human beings dying.

antisense on June 13, 2014 at 12:05 PM

Emoji

Retweeted by NBC News
Chuck Todd @chucktodd · 1m

So it also sounds like POTUS wants some assurances from Maliki about what he will give up politically before helping

NBC News @NBCNews · 8s
Obama: U.S. will ‘do our part’ but Iraq is ultimately responsible for quelling violence http://nbcnews.to/1xUAPQh

Retweeted by NBC News
Chuck Todd @chucktodd · 1m

POTUS says no ground troops. Says he wants other options to help Iraq and will contemplate in the “days ahead”.
NBC News @NBCNews · now

Obama: We will not be sending troops back into Iraq http://nbcnews.to/1xUAPQh

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NBC News @NBCNews · 7s
Obama: Iraq violence could pose threat to American interests http://nbcnews.to/1mRPKC6

canopfor on June 13, 2014 at 12:05 PM

Exit question: Which dumb piece of conventional wisdom will the foreign-policy establishment be pushing soon vis-a-vis Iraq?

That American taxdollars and blood clear out the Sunnis so that Iran can then peacfully anex Iraq.

Tsar of Earth on June 13, 2014 at 12:07 PM

Retweeted by NBC News
Chuck Todd @chucktodd · 1m

POTUS uses phrase “selective military action”. Fits the framework of nat security policy he laid out at West Point. Small footprints. Drones

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NBC News @NBCNews · 11s

Obama on Iraq: ‘This is a regional problem and it is going to be a long-term problem’ http://nbcnews.to/1xUAPQh
View summary

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Retweeted by NBC News
Kelly O’Donnell @KellyO · 1m

Obama “We have enormous interests there…”American people have made huge investments & sacrifices” in Iraq

canopfor on June 13, 2014 at 12:08 PM

Mark Knoller @markknoller · 15s

Pres Obama says US ability to plan possible military action in Iraq “is gonna take several days.” Says it will not “happen overnight.”

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Mark Knoller @markknoller · 1m

Pres Obama says ISIL (Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant) poses a threat to Iraq and eventually to American interests as well.

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Mark Knoller @markknoller · 30s

Pres Obama says civil war in Syria has been spilling over into Iraq for some time.

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Mark Knoller @markknoller · 1m

Pres Obama calls the ISIL “a vicious organization” and says it’s in US interests to make sure they don’t getter a broader foothold in Iraq.

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Mark Knoller @markknoller · 32s

POTUS says this should be a wakeup call for Iraqi leaders – they have to make hard choices and compromises to protect their nation & people.

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Mark Knoller @markknoller · 26s

“We will not be sending US troops back into combat in Iraq,” says Pres Obama but will be reviewing other options from natl security team.

canopfor on June 13, 2014 at 12:12 PM

NO Sh*t Sherlock:

https://twitter.com/APDiploWriter

Matt Lee @APDiploWriter · 10s

Is it a good idea to tell ISIL they have a couple days before any possible US action? #Iraq

canopfor on June 13, 2014 at 12:13 PM

So, when will someone ask about the arms deals that led to Bengahzi and the hit on the Ambassador, and how those are some of the same people now invading Iraq?

Meople on June 13, 2014 at 12:14 PM

…a lot of Christians are going to die!
KOOLAID2 on June 13, 2014 at 12:03 PM
What does it matter if they are Christian? I am more concerned about the human beings dying.
antisense on June 13, 2014 at 12:05 PM

Thank you antisense for being the voice of reason.

coolrepublica on June 13, 2014 at 12:18 PM

Iraq violence
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President Obama says US will not be sending troops to combat in Iraq but will be reviewing other options to help bolster support in region – live video
End of alert

canopfor on June 13, 2014 at 12:18 PM

This is what Obama has been angling for all along, but could NEVER admit publicly.

CatoRenasci on June 13, 2014 at 12:20 PM

So, when will someone ask about the arms deals that led to Bengahzi and the hit on the Ambassador, and how those are some of the same people now invading Iraq?

Meople on June 13, 2014 at 12:14 PM

Events have just made Trey Gowdy’s committee the most relevant investigation in town.

de rigueur on June 13, 2014 at 12:21 PM

The Associated Press @AP · 5s

MORE: Obama says U.S. military help won’t succeed unless Iraq’s government addresses sectarian differences: http://apne.ws/1joPZ6F

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/us-iraqi-insurgency-threatens-american-interests

canopfor on June 13, 2014 at 12:20 PM

canopfor on June 13, 2014 at 12:21 PM

So mass killers vs other more vicious mass killers??

sorrowen on June 13, 2014 at 12:23 PM

In the words of Oliver Hardy…another fine mess.

And in the words of Colin Powell…if you break it, you own it.

The misadventure continues.

verbaluce on June 13, 2014 at 12:26 PM

What does it matter if they are Christian? I am more concerned about the human beings dying.

antisense on June 13, 2014 at 12:05 PM

Your cult has dehumanized your opponent so much, that Christians are now not ‘human beings’ to you.

faraway on June 13, 2014 at 12:26 PM

Rest assured, whatever happens will be to accomplish 2 things:

1. Make Obama look good
2. Help Hillary win in 2016

Nothing else, and I mean nothing, will be used in the calculation. If the only way to accomplish both items is to put 50,000 US soldiers on the battlefield, then thats what will happen.

BobMbx on June 13, 2014 at 12:27 PM

…a lot of Christians are going to die!

KOOLAID2 on June 13, 2014 at 12:03 PM

What does it matter if they are Christian? I am more concerned about the human beings dying.

antisense on June 13, 2014 at 12:05 PM

In my hurry, I forgot to read these posts. No, it definitely matters if they’re Christian. Koolaid is right. We need to get them out too. I forgot them from my list. Also any Jews or other non-Muslims. We can put them back in after all the Muzzies kill each other off.

WhatSlushfund on June 13, 2014 at 12:27 PM

If Iran were actually interested in a stable Iraq and would depart afterward, this would be a fine alliance. We could provide air strikes, drones, and if necessary cavalry; the Iranians will be happy to do the killing that we never could. Yes, that means house to house killing and killing civilians without worrying about being court martialed. That’s how every war ever conclusively won was done so.

The problem is that Iran is not interested in any such thing. They want the exact same thing as the Sunni but with a Shiite flavor. The difference is distinguishable only by Muslims. Either way it’s bad for the West, worse for Israel and even worse for Iraq.

HitNRun on June 13, 2014 at 12:27 PM

Thank you antisense for being the voice of reason.

coolrepublica on June 13, 2014 at 12:18 PM

Thank you coolrepublica for being an even bigger idiot than I am. It takes some of the heat off.

verbaluce on June 13, 2014 at 12:26 PM

Ah, the smell of troll love is in the air.

HumpBot Salvation on June 13, 2014 at 12:33 PM

Matt Lee @APDiploWriter · 1m

Not so urgently, apparently. RT @guardiannews: Obama ‘urgently’ considering air assault on targets in Syria and Iraq http://gu.com/p/3q4ze/tf

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/13/obama-urgent-air-assault-isis-syria-iraq?CMP=twt_fd

canopfor on June 13, 2014 at 12:36 PM

canopfor on June 13, 2014 at 12:37 PM

What does it matter if they are Christian? I am more concerned about the human beings dying.
antisense on June 13, 2014 at 12:05 PM

Thank you antisense for being the voice of reason.

coolrepublica on June 13, 2014 at 12:18 PM

As a non-Christian allow me to explain.

Annoying Christians who interrupt dinner VS Headchoppers is not that difficult of a choice if you have any sense of self-preservation in you. As a leftist of course you don’t, so it can’t really be explained in a way that you will grasp.

sharrukin on June 13, 2014 at 12:38 PM

Iraq violence
2m
Facebook spokesperson on reports that several social media services have been cut off amid Iraq conflict: ‘We are disturbed by reports of access issues in Iraq and are investigating’ – @mashable
Read more on mashable.com

canopfor on June 13, 2014 at 12:41 PM

Iraq Vets Disheartened by Insurgency Presence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZOMpXc22Qc

The Associated Press @AP · 1m
VIDEO: U.S. veterans from the war in Iraq say they’re disheartened to see an insurgency gaining ground there: http://apne.ws/1lt14rn

canopfor on June 13, 2014 at 12:42 PM

As a non-Christian allow me to explain.

Annoying Christians who interrupt dinner VS Headchoppers is not that difficult of a choice if you have any sense of self-preservation in you. As a leftist of course you don’t, so it can’t really be explained in a way that you will grasp.

sharrukin on June 13, 2014 at 12:38 PM

Oh I understand perfectly. For wanting people to live regardless of their religion, I am now a horrible person. Thanks for the tete-a-tete. :-)

coolrepublica on June 13, 2014 at 12:44 PM

For wanting people to live regardless of their religion, I am now a horrible person. Thanks for the tete-a-tete. :-)

coolrepublica on June 13, 2014 at 12:44 PM

I am sure you are a desperately caring person with a big heart, who wanted all those Nazis to live but some brutal heartless folks decided to assault the beaches at Anzio, and D-Day regardless of how many would die. Those meanies even bombed cities, dropped nukes and other horrifying things.

If only they had listened to folks like you…just think of what a wonderful world it would have been?

sharrukin on June 13, 2014 at 12:48 PM

Thank you coolrepublica for being an even bigger idiot than I am. It takes some of the heat off.

verbaluce on June 13, 2014 at 12:26 PM

I live to please. Anything else you want me to do for you? I can bring tea and water, energy drinks. Are you thirsty? The heat must have done a number of your brain. Would you like me to fan you? I also got shade ready for you. Please sit right there and don’t say a word for 1 hour. Relax ok. :-)

coolrepublica on June 13, 2014 at 12:49 PM

I am sure you are a desperately caring person with a big heart, who wanted all those Nazis to live but some brutal heartless folks decided to assault the beaches at Anzio, and D-Day regardless of how many would die. Those meanies even bombed cities, dropped nukes and other horrifying things.

If only they had listened to folks like you…just think of what a wonderful world it would have been?

sharrukin on June 13, 2014 at 12:48 PM

Did you just compare Iraqi civilians to nazis? I think I am going to back away from your crazy ok for now. but I will be around later. so if we meet again I might revisit it. :-)

Bye!

coolrepublica on June 13, 2014 at 12:53 PM

So I heard Saudi is backing the ISIS group. Makes sense the Iran would jump in to try and stop that. Iran and Saudi still hate each other a lot.

Maybe we will have direct conflict between Iran and Saudi Arabia.

But. When I was working in the KSA the joke was always: If KSA went to war, who would win the contract to fight it, S Korea or the US.

TerryW on June 13, 2014 at 12:54 PM

Did you just compare Iraqi civilians to nazis?

coolrepublica on June 13, 2014 at 12:53 PM

Yeah I did.

When it came to power in 1933, the Nazi Party had over 2 million members. In 1939, the membership total rose to 5.3 million with 81% being male and 19% being female. It continued to attract many more and by 1945 the party reached its peak of 8 million with 63% being male and 37% being female.

You are aware that you could be a German soldier and NOT be a Nazi right?

Islam is as dangerous an ideology as Fascism. Yes, there were nice harmless Nazis too. Didn’t change the threat they posed.

sharrukin on June 13, 2014 at 1:00 PM

Nothing like getting the US to help Iran get rid of it’s competition.

GarandFan on June 13, 2014 at 1:04 PM

Omri Ceren ‏@cerenomri 1h

cc @AcrossTheBay @LeeSmithTWS MT @chucktodd: POTUS calls on Iraq neighbors to help. Doesn’t say “Iran” by name but the implication is clear

novaculus on June 13, 2014 at 1:08 PM

What are the odds that Iran’s border is expanded after their assistance? Or that Iraq ends up as 3 separate countries?

The Iranians take Baghdad and South. Shiite state.

ISIS takes most of northern areas. Sunni state.

Kurds take kirkuk and NE part of country.

HumpBot Salvation on June 13, 2014 at 11:48 AM

Should have let Uncle Joe have it his way in the first place?

Updated 5/1/2006 8:28 AM ET E-mail | Print |
WASHINGTON (AP) — The senior Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee proposed Monday that Iraq be divided into three separate regions — Kurdish, Shiite and Sunni — with a central government in Baghdad.

In an op-ed essay in Monday’s edition of The New York Times, Sen. Joseph Biden. D-Del., wrote that the idea “is to maintain a united Iraq by decentralizing it, giving each ethno-religious group … room to run its own affairs, while leaving the central government in charge of common interests.”

The new Iraqi constitution allows for establishment of self-governing regions. But that was one of the reasons the Sunnis opposed the constitution and why they demanded and won an agreement to review it this year.

Biden and co-writer Leslie H. Gelb, former president of the Council on Foreign Relations, acknowledged the opposition, and said the Sunnis “have to be given money to make their oil-poor region viable. The Constitution must be amended to guarantee Sunni areas 20% (approximately their proportion of the population) of all revenues.”

Biden and Gelb also wrote that President Bush “must direct the military to design a plan for withdrawing and redeploying our troops from Iraq by 2008 (while providing for a small but effective residual force to combat terrorists and keep the neighbors honest).”

Except we would probably have gotten the same results anyway: multi-party factional conflict.

AesopFan on June 13, 2014 at 1:12 PM

obama’s friends and bros…

Kerry: hawk, dove, hawk again

Hillary: hawk, dove, hawk

Schadenfreude on June 13, 2014 at 11:33 AM

Kerry was against the war before he was for it.

Occams Stubble on June 13, 2014 at 1:23 PM

Please pardon my cut and paste of this lengthy comment from the headline thread, “They are forced to dig their own graves in the desert before their throats are slit”.

It’s not directly OT, more of a “how we got in this mess”, but understanding how we got here should inform what we do next.

It’s very difficult to sort our enemies by calibrating the magnitude of their evil and measuring their capacity to threaten us, now and in the future. For example, Iran is clearly a more existential threat to us now, but a bloody Caliphate stretching across Mesopotamia may become an even greater threat in the long run.

“So before I was nine I learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother, me and my brother against my father, my family against my cousins and the clan, the clan against the tribe, and the tribe against the world. And all of us against the infidel.”

-Leon Uris, The Haj

Interwoven with the tribal paradigm is the brutality of Islam, its fundamental degradation of the value of human life and its homicidal commandments regarding infidels and apostates.

Anyone truly familiar with Arab culture understands the magnitude of difficulty involved in building a democratic society that necessarily respects human rights from a society in which the concept of human rights doesn’t exist, let alone the concept that a nation deserves the primary loyalty of its citizens.

The absolute failure to recognize this reality by the Bush administration resulted in comprehensive failures of policy in the effort to rebuild Iraq after Saddam was toppled. Saddam kept the lid on a powder keg with brutal oppression. We opened Pandora’s Box.

Similar failure to grasp the totality of the problem occurred with Afghanistan.

At the very least, rebuilding these societies and establishing democratic forms of government that respect human rights would require generational effort. It would require tearing down all the old edifices of social order, installing a proper form of government, and then forcing the barbarians to live under it while educating a couple of generations of young people to different values and expectations. (In these cultures, educating at least two generations of women to expect social and legal equality would be crucial. Recall the decades we spent rebuilding the cultures of Germany and Japan, both arguably far more advanced cultures than the tribal cultures of Arabia and Afghanistan and therefore far more amenable to change.)

Unprepared to undertake such monumental tasks, our strategy should have been to utterly destroy our enemies and their capacity to harm us wherever we found them and then depart with a promise to return should those who remain permit the evil to return to power. This would be no mean task in itself: In Afghanistan, it would mean dealing forcefully with Pakistan as well.

Instead, failing to recognize the implacable nature of our enemies’ hatred for us and the fundamental flaws of their cultures, we tried to simultaneously fight the enemy and respect the culture and the people who spawned their evil. Having failed to destroy the elements of evil, we attempted to place a veneer of civilization on fundamentally corrupted and dysfunctional cultures to facilitate a premature withdrawal from hostilities.

Failure was inevitable, and the consequences have been hastened and amplified in the Middle East by Obama’s idiotic total withdrawal from Iraq and toppling of governments in Egypt and Libya, whose admittedly despotic leaders were nevertheless largely containing the other forces of evil in those countries and cooperated with us in the effort to keep the region stable.

Any possibility of stabilizing Iraq was sacrificed by Obama in service of his personal agendas and “informed” by his preposterous, fundamentally Marxist template of the world and America’s role in it. Afghanistan will also become a failed effort to rebuild a government when total overhaul of a sick culture is required. The evil are certain to return to power in short order, directly Obama executes his total withdrawal from that cesspool of human depravity.

The results are bloody chaos. After more than ten years of sacrifice in blood and treasure, we face an even more dangerous world with the worst of our enemies empowered and emboldened. These are the consequences of our own failures of leadership.

novaculus on June 13, 2014 at 12:42 PM

novaculus on June 13, 2014 at 1:23 PM

The Enemy (Iran) of my Enemy (Al Queda) is my … wait what?

Nice Foreign Policy. Real Nice.

Dino V on June 13, 2014 at 1:24 PM

novaculus on June 13, 2014 at 1:23 PM

Absolutely brilliant.

sharrukin on June 13, 2014 at 1:26 PM

The diplomatic coup of the century. Obama releases five more GITMO terrorists in exchange for Iran’s occupation of Iraq!

MaiDee on June 13, 2014 at 1:54 PM

novaculus on June 13, 2014 at 1:23 PM

Well said.

And the ROEs greatly facilitated those failures which is understandable, since the ROEs came from the lack of realizing who the enemy is and they are capable of.   Islam – the antithesis of western culture.

TerryW on June 13, 2014 at 2:57 PM

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