CNN: No, really, mass shootings are not on the rise

posted at 10:01 am on June 13, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

For the second time in two days, CNN went out of its way to debunk the Michael Bloomberg/Barack Obama claim that mass shootings have become epidemic and a “new normal” in American society. The day after CNN debunked the Bloomberg-funded Everytown claim that there were 74 Newtown-style mass shootings since Sandy Hook, Jake Tapper interviewed Northeastern University criminology professor James Alan Fox to look at the data rather than the anecdotes. Over a 40-year period, Fox concluded, mass shootings have remained flat — even while the population of the country has grown significantly over the same period:

So are mass shootings on the rise? One professor and criminologist says no.

Northeastern University criminology professor James Alan Fox compiled the data of shootings with four or more fatalities from 1976 to 2012, and found that these incidents on a chart look like an EKG: up and down, not a steady rise.

Fox doesn’t mention the other trendline on overall gun violence, which isn’t flat — it’s falling, on both the actual numbers and especially on a population-adjusted basis. The trend began during the Clinton administration, but accelerated after the expiration of the so-called “assault weapon” ban. The 1994 ban did not cause the rate of mass shootings to fall, either, mainly because most of those involved handguns (and shotguns) rather than rifles.

Fox tells Tapper that people should take Bill Clinton’s advice from that period to look at trend lines rather than headlines. They should also take care to make sure the data for those trend lines is honestly compiled, rather than cobbled together for maximum hysteria and political impact.


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CNN is no stranger to doubling down but it isn’t usually on being right about something. There is a great disturbance in the force.

Occams Stubble on June 13, 2014 at 10:06 AM

I hope Bloomberg gets hit by car soon.

Flange on June 13, 2014 at 10:07 AM

So what, guns are still evil and you don’t need them.

Bishop on June 13, 2014 at 10:10 AM

Ii actually saw someone at ThinkProgress yesterday claim that CNN is a Fox affiliate.

myiq2xu on June 13, 2014 at 10:11 AM

It’s Friday so I’m going to be optimistic that this is the beginning of the pendulum in this country swinging back towards sanity.

Wisdom_of_Homer on June 13, 2014 at 10:12 AM

Ii actually saw someone at ThinkProgress yesterday claim that CNN is a Fox affiliate.

myiq2xu on June 13, 2014 at 10:11 AM

Haters gonna hate.

s1im on June 13, 2014 at 10:13 AM

The Lying Left [sorry to be redundant and repetitive] including the gun grabber cadres have nothing but LIES on which to base the pushing of their base socialist national ideology.

Can we call this a split in the national socialist front of the left?

DinaRehn on June 13, 2014 at 10:14 AM

CNN reporting facts is bigger news than this report. What’s up with that?

DanMan on June 13, 2014 at 10:14 AM

Bloomberg lied?

Bloomberg lied?

Speaking of Bloomberg, he is backing Thad Cochran
Gun Grabber Michael Bloomberg Spends $250,000.00 to Get Thad Cochran Re-Elected

And Cochran took the money

faraway on June 13, 2014 at 10:14 AM

There is a great disturbance in the force.

Occams Stubble on June 13, 2014 at 10:06 AM

You ain’t kidding. Once I could brush off as a mistake the editors didn’t catch or something. Twice sort of smacks at real journalism on purpose.

Johnnyreb on June 13, 2014 at 10:15 AM

CNN reporting facts is bigger news than this report. What’s up with that?

DanMan on June 13, 2014 at 10:14 AM

They have about 2 years to try and regain some credibility as a news source (as opposed to the democrat PR machine they really are) so they can influence people in 2016. At some point the media may turn on obozo as he stops being useful, just so they can pretend they weren’t in the bag for him.

Flange on June 13, 2014 at 10:18 AM

Ii actually saw someone at ThinkProgress yesterday claim that CNN is a Fox affiliate.

myiq2xu on June 13, 2014 at 10:11 AM

And Zucker is actually Roger Ailes illegitimate son.

BuckeyeSam on June 13, 2014 at 10:22 AM

Let’s see if it allows all the links…

rogerb on June 13, 2014 at 10:26 AM

Ii actually saw someone at ThinkProgress yesterday claim that CNN is a Fox affiliate.

myiq2xu on June 13, 2014 at 10:11 AM

Spend some time at TP on a regular basis and you’ll later find yourself at Home Depot selecting a steel-core front door and the stoutest locks available.

There’s crazy then there’s TP and Demorat Underground, Manson himself would get scared off of those sites.

Bishop on June 13, 2014 at 10:27 AM

But! But! But without “maximum hysteria and political impact” the Lefties and their media won’t have anything to talk about or point at or faint to!! Elev3nty++++!!!!!!!!!!!! You can do it!! Forward!!!
Smart Power!! ©

DublOh7 on June 13, 2014 at 10:29 AM

My son Blair was an honors student. He was the most important thing in my life. And in 2007 a gang member killed him — and injured four others — on his way home from school on a public bus with many of his classmates. Blair died trying to save another girl’s life. He was just another innocent bystander whose life was cut short because a gun was in the wrong hands.

But to CNN and other media outlets, murders like my son’s don’t count. You see, they looked at the list of 74 school shootings and picked and chose the 15 they thought were worthy of mentioning. Their reasoning? Because our innocent sons and daughters are killed by gang members, they don’t deserve a spot on the list.

According to their own count of school shootings, the ones with “personal arguments, accidents and alleged gang activities and drug deals” don’t merit mention.

Whenever a gun is fired at school, parents are rightfully terrified. Students are rightfully terrified. Try explaining to a shocked and devastated community that the school shooting it’s mourning is disqualified because the gun was fired as the result of a “personal argument.”

I suppose if your innocent son is shot by a gang member, it doesn’t make the cut. Or if he was shot in an “accidental” shooting (how it’s an accident that a gun wound up on school grounds to begin with is beyond me). Or if he pulled a gun out in a classroom and shot himself. Or if he got into a “personal argument” and was shot down in the type of mild playground fight that happens every day in schools, but turned deadly in that instance because a gun was present.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/annette-holt/cnn-school-shooting-stats_b_5489805.html

libfreeordie on June 13, 2014 at 10:30 AM

What (or whom) has gotten into CNN lately.
Their liberal bias a lessened a smidgen…

mjbrooks3 on June 13, 2014 at 10:34 AM

I suppose if your innocent son is shot by a gang member, it doesn’t make the cut. Or if he was shot in an “accidental” shooting (how it’s an accident that a gun wound up on school grounds to begin with is beyond me). Or if he pulled a gun out in a classroom and shot himself. Or if he got into a “personal argument” and was shot down in the type of mild playground fight that happens every day in schools, but turned deadly in that instance because a gun was present.
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/annette-holt/cnn-school-shooting-stats_b_5489805.html
 
libfreeordie on June 13, 2014 at 10:30 AM

 
But no similar remedies to prevent 50K accidental HIV transmission/injuries and 8000 AIDS deaths annually should be considered, right professor?

rogerb on June 13, 2014 at 10:37 AM

This reminds me of the network news pushing extreme weather events in the US. Whether that shootings or storms are slightly more prevalent or not isn’t their point. Their point is to put disturbing images in peoples’ minds so they support the government action the liberal MSM wants them to take, whether it’s gun control, or such as carbon tax in the case of supposedly greater number of storms and drought caused by GLOBAL WARMING.

LashRambo on June 13, 2014 at 10:38 AM

They should also take care to make sure the data for those trend lines is honestly compiled, rather than cobbled together for maximum hysteria and political impact.

Well that’s gonna take all the fun out of it. /

Hill60 on June 13, 2014 at 10:38 AM

libfreeordie on June 13, 2014 at 10:30 AM

Where are your concerns about guns possessed by the government?

Those guns can be stolen by criminals, those guns can be misused.

Why don’t you gun grabbers on the national socialist left ever express concerns about that issue?

DinaRehn on June 13, 2014 at 10:41 AM

So what, guns are still evil and you don’t need them.

Bishop on June 13, 2014 at 10:10 AM

Exactly. Use your body to absorb the bullets.

Bigbullets on June 13, 2014 at 10:42 AM

Concealed Carrier Shoots Cop Killer in Georgia
Griffin Police Officer Kevin Jordan (pictured), age 43, was shot in the back multiple times after removing some disorderly patrons from a Waffle House where he was working as private security.

After one of the suspects became physical, Jordan moved to place her under arrest, however the suspect’s boyfriend drew a firearm and shot Officer Jordan several times in the back, killing him.

Kevin Jordan’s brother, Raymond Jordan, was also at the Waffle House that night. He is not a police officer, but possesses a permit to carry a weapon, which he was doing that night. Raymond drew his gun and opened fire on the suspect, identified as 30-year-old Michael Dwayne Bowman.

Bowman was struck several times, but lived through the encounter. He is in critical condition at an area hospital.
http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/12/concealed-carrier-shoots-cop-killer-in-georgia/

DinaRehn on June 13, 2014 at 10:42 AM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/annette-holt/cnn-school-shooting-stats_b_5489805.html

libfreeordie on June 13, 2014 at 10:30 AM

That was refreshingly irrelevant.

Thanks for playing.

Please come back anytime.

Bigbullets on June 13, 2014 at 10:44 AM

Since we’re on the subject:
Can we officially declare this promise to be a LIE:

Obama 2008: “I Am Not Going To Take Your Guns Away”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=LwElI6v6Yaw

Following In line with this:

Obama Praises Australia’s Gun Confiscation
One doesn’t bring up countries that have confiscated firearms as a shining example unless one wishes to push the conversation toward confiscation.
http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/obama-praises-australias-gun-confiscation

DinaRehn on June 13, 2014 at 10:45 AM

I’ll keep asking until one of them answers me:

What is it about law-abiding gun owners that scares them?

CurtZHP on June 13, 2014 at 10:46 AM

libfreeordie on June 13, 2014 at 10:30 AM

Aren’t schools Gun Free Zones, they have signs and everything so how is this even possible?

Ever wonder why gun shows are never the site of such attacks, must be the free popcorn.

Bishop on June 13, 2014 at 10:53 AM

Aren’t schools Gun Free Zones, they have signs and everything so how is this even possible?

Ever wonder why gun shows are never the site of such attacks, must be the free popcorn.

Bishop on June 13, 2014 at 10:53 AM

People can’t get shot in Gun Free Zones.

Gun Free means no guns.

Bigbullets on June 13, 2014 at 11:01 AM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/annette-holt/cnn-school-shooting-stats_b_5489805.html

libfreeordie on June 13, 2014 at 10:30 AM

So why do you lefties hate black inner city school kids so much?

dentarthurdent on June 13, 2014 at 11:03 AM

The strange thing though is that mass shooting have held steady despite the fact that overall crime and gun violence has dramatically decreased.

themuppet on June 13, 2014 at 11:06 AM

It’s not about facts, it’s about rolling back Heller, McDonald, and the 2nd Amendment. Liberals won’t allow the Constitution to get in the way of their leftist plans, so a publicity blitz to convince the rubes that they’re better off without their rights and without the ability to defend themselves is required. The big surprise is that it’s CNN that’s pushing back.

Socratease on June 13, 2014 at 11:06 AM

People can’t get shot in Gun Free Zones.

Gun Free means no guns.

Bigbullets on June 13, 2014 at 11:01 AM

Only if they are also bullet free

faraway on June 13, 2014 at 11:07 AM

The strange thing though is that mass shooting have held steady despite the fact that overall crime and gun violence has dramatically decreased.
 
themuppet on June 13, 2014 at 11:06 AM

 
Yeah, that’s sort of how it works when they’re already incredibly rare.

rogerb on June 13, 2014 at 11:08 AM

Good thing this dad had a gun and knew how to use it.
http://bearingarms.com/south-st-louis-father-guns-two-hostage-taking-felons-holding-daughter-gunpoint/

Although I’m sure the lefties would have preferred his 17 yer old had been raped and murdered by the thugs.

dentarthurdent on June 13, 2014 at 11:08 AM

So, another school shooting that was NOT a “mass shooting” – because 2 good guys with guns who were in the school stopped the bad guy with the gun.
http://bearingarms.com/heroic-school-resource-officers-harris-thompson-stopped-reynolds-h-s-attacker-mainstream-media-chooses-ignore/

dentarthurdent on June 13, 2014 at 11:11 AM

And Cochran took the money

faraway on June 13, 2014 at 10:14 AM

I wonder if Thad was related to Johnny??

bimmcorp on June 13, 2014 at 11:13 AM

Whenever a gun is fired at school, parents are rightfully terrified.

Of course they’re terrified. The children are helpless, the school staff are helpless, the parents are helpless, and the government, who is the only party authorized to have the ability to defend them, has absolutely no responsibility to do so. This is the system people like libfreeandie built, maintain, and defend.

Socratease on June 13, 2014 at 11:14 AM

The strange thing though is that mass shooting have held steady despite the fact that overall crime and gun violence has dramatically decreased.

themuppet on June 13, 2014 at 11:06 AM

The strange thing is that your nurses give you access to a computer, Big Bird.

bimmcorp on June 13, 2014 at 11:14 AM

The strange thing though is that mass shooting have held steady despite the fact that overall crime and gun violence has dramatically decreased.

themuppet on June 13, 2014 at 11:06 AM

Maybe because more people own guns now, so more criminals have figured out they need to go to gun free zones to reduce their odds of being shot before doing their damage.

Why are nearly all mass shootings in gun free zones – of which schools are the most well known?

dentarthurdent on June 13, 2014 at 11:15 AM

I’ll keep asking until one of them answers me:

What is it about law-abiding gun owners that scares them?

CurtZHP on June 13, 2014 at 10:46 AM

Since the odds are really good that you won’t get an answer to that question, just as they won’t answer mine:

a). Do you have the Commonsense Civil Right of Armed Self-Defense?
And
b). Where are your concerns about guns possessed by the government?

I’ll take a swing at answering it for them, and it’s a multifaceted answer, so bear with me here:

1). Hoplophobia – some Gun grabbers are just sacred of firearms, but this is a very small minority since they also don’t care about question b.

2). Concern about accidents? Perhaps they have a concerns about such things, as should anyone with such items. But that doesn’t translate to concerns about other dangerous items like Stairs, automobiles and Di-Hydrogen Oxide.

And that also leads us back to the same concern about Government guns…

3). Items possessed by gun owners could be stolen or misused – again there is the Government guns issue as well as the factor of punishing 120 Million gun owners for the actions of criminals and leftist loons. Should we also rid ourselves of cars just because some are stolen or miss-used to cite just one example.

4). Resistance to tyranny. Consider this fits the situation at hand: lack of gun grabber concern about Government guns and resistance by them to acknowledge the Commonsense Civil Right of Armed Self-Defense.

It also explains point 3 – there are something like 300 Million guns out there and a miniscule number that are misused.

No, they are concerned about law-abiding gun owners because they stand as bulwark against government power –THEIR Power. They want the government to have a monopoly on the use of force.

But they cannot say that out loud.

DinaRehn on June 13, 2014 at 11:15 AM

So, another school shooting that was NOT a “mass shooting” – because 2 good guys with guns who were in the school stopped the bad guy with the gun.
http://bearingarms.com/heroic-school-resource-officers-harris-thompson-stopped-reynolds-h-s-attacker-mainstream-media-chooses-ignore/

The shooter used an AR-15 type rifle in the attack and carried, but did not use, a semi-automatic handgun. Investigators also recovered nine loaded magazines with the capability of holding several hundred rounds.

The shooter also had a large knife. He was wearing a non-ballistic vest used for carrying ammunition and other items. He also was wearing a multi-sport helmet with a camouflage design.

Exactly as I predicted. Magazine capacity limits just give the advantage to the attacker because he knows he’s going on the attack and prepares with multiple magazines and weapons and clothing to carry them, leaving the defender to fight back with his solitary limited-capacity weapon.

Socratease on June 13, 2014 at 11:22 AM

The strange thing though is that mass shooting have held steady despite the fact that overall crime and gun violence has dramatically decreased.

themuppet on June 13, 2014 at 11:06 AM

Yeah, that’s sort of how it works when they’re already incredibly rare.

rogerb on June 13, 2014 at 11:08 AM

Ouch, that was the proverbial head-shot.

HumpBot Salvation on June 13, 2014 at 11:22 AM

“Gun control” advocates are like AGW fanatics. When the data is not in your favor, LIE!

GarandFan on June 13, 2014 at 11:26 AM

I’ll keep asking until one of them answers me:
 
What is it about law-abiding gun owners that scares them?
 
CurtZHP on June 13, 2014 at 10:46 AM

 
People believe other people are like themselves.
 
A fully equipped A-10 Warthog, if I could afford one, would be no more dangerous in my hands than the paring knife in my kitchen drawer. I don’t lose my temper easily, and I have no desire to harm other people when I do. I assume you, like me, are moral, considerate, level-headed, and have an overwhelming aversion to violence, and I have no reason to believe it would be inherently dangerous in your possession, either.
 
In other words, I think you’re basically just like me until you show me otherwise.
 
Our progressives believe that you, like them, obviously have a tendency to violence and lack the desire or self control to keep yourself from inflicting knee-jerk harm on others to get what you want, and, in order to keep you from being a danger to yourself or others, people who are smarter than you should be allowed to decide what is best for you. (See also: Obamacare)
 
In other words, they think you’re basically just like them until you show them otherwise.

rogerb on June 13, 2014 at 11:26 AM

libfreeordie on June 13, 2014 at 10:30 AM

The perfesser posts an anecdote that means nothing. Figures.

Meanwhile, in the real world: Guns prevent 550 rapes, and 1100 murders a day.

Nobody ever taught how not to discharge idiotically, did they?

Here’s a simple question for you. Which of the founding fathers did not subscribe to the communitarian ethos Calhoun deploys to rationalize slavery? *sets sundial*

libfreeordie on August 21, 2013 at 9:30 AM

None. They weren’t nascent Commies like John C. Calhoun, and full blown Commies like you. Don’t you think you need to provide some proof for such a ridiculous smear there Mr. Calhoun? You’re a history perfesser, right?

NotCoach on August 21, 2013 at 9:36 AM

Oh dear God….hold on, give me 10 minutes.

libfreeordie on August 21, 2013 at 9:45 AM

NotCoach on June 13, 2014 at 11:27 AM

The strange thing though is that mass shooting have held steady despite the fact that overall crime and gun violence has dramatically decreased.

themuppet on June 13, 2014 at 11:06 AM

Yeah, that’s sort of how it works when they’re already incredibly rare.

rogerb on June 13, 2014 at 11:08 AM

Ouch, that was the proverbial head-shot.

HumpBot Salvation on June 13, 2014 at 11:22 AM

And when viewed properly they have declined. We don’t count overall murders to measure success or failure, but murders per 100k people. And considering the population is much larger today than 40 years ago the rate of mass shootings has declined considerably.

NotCoach on June 13, 2014 at 11:30 AM

rogerb on June 13, 2014 at 11:26 AM

Quite possibly one of the most astute and well articulated observations I have ever read on the issue. Thank you, rogerb…

bimmcorp on June 13, 2014 at 11:32 AM

libfreeordie on June 13, 2014 at 10:30 AM

This is the most intellectually dishonest tripe of all time.

libfreeordie on June 13, 2014 at 8:37 AM

F X Muldoon on June 13, 2014 at 11:36 AM

In other words, they think you’re basically just like them until you show them otherwise.

rogerb on June 13, 2014 at 11:26 AM

Actually, I believe they think everyone is as bad as them, no matter what you show them.
It doesn’t matter to them that 99.999999% of all gun owners have never shot anyone. Their assumption will always be that if you have a gun you will likely shoot someone sometime soon.

dentarthurdent on June 13, 2014 at 11:38 AM

libfreeordie on June 13, 2014 at 10:30 AM

You are absolutely correct. We MUST do something about violent gang members and drug dealers. Maybe we could start with efforts to restore the black family.

stvnscott on June 13, 2014 at 11:41 AM

People believe other people are like themselves.

rogerb on June 13, 2014 at 11:26 AM

I think that’s a large part of it. Acting responsibly, with firearms or anything else important, is an attribute that has to be learned and practiced and experienced. If you disarm a population and they have never exercised responsibility for their own acts and their own defense, then it’s natural for them to think that it’s rare and can’t imagine the vast majority of the population being capable of handling it.

It’s all about perception and what you’re used to. The person who is terrified of his neighbor having a gun has no problem walking his child across the street inches away from the bumper of an idling car, driven by a stranger who could easily put his foot on the gas and run them over if he chose to do so. Why is one trusted with your life and the other is not?

Socratease on June 13, 2014 at 11:45 AM

So much of what we think of as the state of crime in the US dates back to the crack epidemic.

We believe there are gun crimes everywhere, and nowhere is safe! Because during the crack epidemic the constant stream of reports of drive-bys made us feel that way. But, even during the height of the epidemic, crime was highly localized, and most neighborhoods remained Mayberry safe. Nevertheless, we move into safer and safer communities while getting more and more afraid.

We are terrified of letting our kids out of our sight for two seconds; because, during the crack epidemic, kids were getting shot in their beds, and if they can’t be safe there, they can’t be safe anywhere! Kids aren’t allowed to walk to school anymore, and many schools won’t allow kids to walk home without an adult with them. Kids don’t go out and play or even walk down to the library.

We’ve become isolated from each other because our kids don’t go out and play. They don’t meet the neighborhood kids, which means their parents never meet. Our communities aren’t communities anymore, but merely side-by-side houses.

All because of an epidemic that was ending two decades ago.

HakerA on June 13, 2014 at 11:45 AM

And when viewed properly they have declined. We don’t count overall murders to measure success or failure, but murders per 100k people. And considering the population is much larger today than 40 years ago the rate of mass shootings has declined considerably.

NotCoach on June 13, 2014 at 11:30 AM

Good point. I wonder how the murder/100k vs. mass murder/100k would compare.

themuppet on June 13, 2014 at 11:47 AM

And considering the population is much larger today than 40 years ago the rate of mass shootings has declined considerably.
 
NotCoach on June 13, 2014 at 11:30 AM

 
Good point. I wonder how the murder/100k vs. mass murder/100k would compare.
 
themuppet on June 13, 2014 at 11:47 AM

 
Around 8000-10000 homicide deaths annually from guns since 2007.
 
22 deaths and 38 injuries annually from mass shootings since 1982.

rogerb on June 13, 2014 at 12:06 PM

Speaking of Bloomberg, he is backing Thad Cochran
Gun Grabber Michael Bloomberg Spends $250,000.00 to Get Thad Cochran Re-Elected

And Cochran took the money

faraway on June 13, 2014 at 10:14 AM

…it’s for the farm animals!

KOOLAID2 on June 13, 2014 at 12:08 PM

It’s Friday so I’m going to be optimistic that this is the beginning of the pendulum in this country swinging back towards sanity.

Wisdom_of_Homer on June 13, 2014 at 10:12 AM

Haven’t you heard? You can’t fix stupid.

earlgrey on June 13, 2014 at 12:16 PM

rogerb on June 13, 2014 at 10:24 AM

Rogerb, you have much more patience for the willfully stupid than I do. I congratulate on your list of fine retorts.

earlgrey on June 13, 2014 at 12:28 PM

2). …But that doesn’t translate to concerns about other dangerous items like Stairs, automobiles and Di-Hydrogen Oxide.

DinaRehn on June 13, 2014 at 11:15 AM

I see what you did there.

earlgrey on June 13, 2014 at 12:38 PM

2). …But that doesn’t translate to concerns about other dangerous items like Stairs, automobiles and Di-Hydrogen Oxide.

DinaRehn on June 13, 2014 at 11:15 AM

I see what you did there.

earlgrey on June 13, 2014 at 12:38 PM

I was hoping someone would pick up on that.

It’s one of the most dangerous substances around – many die from ingesting it and it’s a major component in the green house effect – the cause of global warming.

It needs to be banned. NOW!

DinaRehn on June 13, 2014 at 12:49 PM

People believe other people are like themselves.

A fully equipped A-10 Warthog, if I could afford one, would be no more dangerous in my hands than the paring knife in my kitchen drawer. I don’t lose my temper easily, and I have no desire to harm other people when I do. I assume you, like me, are moral, considerate, level-headed, and have an overwhelming aversion to violence, and I have no reason to believe it would be inherently dangerous in your possession, either.

In other words, I think you’re basically just like me until you show me otherwise.

Our progressives believe that you, like them, obviously have a tendency to violence and lack the desire or self control to keep yourself from inflicting knee-jerk harm on others to get what you want, and, in order to keep you from being a danger to yourself or others, people who are smarter than you should be allowed to decide what is best for you. (See also: Obamacare)

In other words, they think you’re basically just like them until you show them otherwise.

rogerb on June 13, 2014 at 11:26 AM

That’s very good, rogerb. Thank you.

I’ll go a little further and add that liberals are self-absorbed, narcissistic open emotional wounds and lack any kind of self-control or foresight.

They expect the rest of us to think like they do and get very confused when some of us think/behave quite opposite.

Would I want to be around a liberal with a gun? Heck no.

Would I want to be around a conservative with a gun? Safest place to be.

kim roy on June 13, 2014 at 3:38 PM

With the help of Bmore, I came up with a plan to drastically reduce gun violence every Leftist on here should like. That is if they truly want to end gun violence.

John Hitchcock on June 13, 2014 at 4:10 PM