Sum of all fears: Obama may have to approve airstrikes in Iraq

posted at 9:31 am on June 12, 2014 by Noah Rothman

For a president who owes his 2008 primary and general election victories to his politically beneficial opposition to the conflict in Iraq, it is difficult to think of a more frustrating development than the renewal of that conflict.

For Obama, who campaigned on and successfully achieved a near complete American withdrawal from Iraq, even over the objections of policy makers who warned of the potential for that chronically unstable nation to again erupt in violence, being forced to contemplate revived military action in that country represents a political Sophie’s Choice. Abstain, and risk being haunted by the impression that he presided over the loss of the Middle East having surrendered the tenuous gains in Iraq and allowed conflicts in Syria, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia to metastasize. Accept, and the Obama presidency’s raison d’être – a mandate for retrenchment and a renewed reliance on smart power – collapses.

It’s a tough call, but it wasn’t so difficult a decision when the escalating violence in Iraq was not front page, above the fold material. According to a New York Times report on Tuesday, the United States was approached by the Iraqi government on multiple occasions with request that they carry out airstrikes against targets where extremists were basing. They were refused.

“By March,” the Times reports, “American experts who visited Baghdad were being told that Iraq’s top leaders were hoping that American air power could be used to strike the militants staging and training areas inside Iraq, and help Iraq’s beleaguered forces stop them from crossing into Iraq from Syria.” A report by Eli Lake in The Daily Beast indicates that Iraqi officials have been requesting renewed U.S. air support since November, 2013.

The Times report adds that the same appeal was made in a May 16 phone call between Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki and Vice President Joe Biden. That was followed by a formal, written request. It was rebuffed, but the United States did provide the Iraqi military with $14 billion in lethal military aid – some of which is turning up in ISIS propaganda videos as the militants celebrate its capture from retreating Iraqi forces.

The most recent reports indicate that the fighting has now nearing Karbala, a holy city for Shiite Muslims and strategically located just 100 kilometers to the southwest of Baghdad. The city of Kirkuk in the Kurdish north has already been surrendered by the Iraqi government, and is reportedly in control of independent Kurdish forces.

The opportunity to strangle, or at least contain, the ISIS baby in its Levant crib having passed, Iraq is now the battlefield of necessity. This threat, too, would be ignored but for the fact that the ISIS threat to Iraq is now an A1 story. American officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity, told reporters on Tuesday that they were strongly considering the resumption of airstrikes (or “kinetic support”) inside Iraq.

Operationally, some reports indicate, strikes against ISIS fighters and staging areas inside Iraq would not differ dramatically from maned and unmanned airstrikes in other Asian and North African theaters – American counterterror operations which already enjoy broad, bipartisan support and have been a pillar of Obama’s defense strategy.

Americans would, however, view the authorization of force in Iraq quite differently. It represents the collapse of yet another of Obama’s promises. It would cement for his supporters the awareness that Obama can no more reverse the tides of history than he could reverse the tides of the ocean. It would also cede to Republicans a political talking point of immense value. Following those strikes, Republicans could rightfully say that the Iraq War, which was authorized in a bipartisan manner, would also have been executed in a bipartisan manner.

Airstrikes in Iraq would be the politically unpalatable thing to do, but it is unclear whether the president has much of a choice. By avoiding the political headache associated with authorizing limited intervention in Syria, he has invited the throbbing political migraine coupled with the resumption of military operations in Iraq.


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The only “kinetic action” I support out of this mess is impeachment.

claudius on June 12, 2014 at 9:44 AM

Another impeachment moron.

faraway on June 12, 2014 at 10:16 AM

Syria was the staging ground for the ISIS invasion of Iraq. The Obama administration actively undermined Assad’s regime in Syria on behalf of the Gulf states and their Islamist proxies. Furthermore this administration offered material and political support to the Syrian rebels despite their well documented ties to Salafists and al-Qaeda.

And now those rebels have crossed the border and are marching on Baghdad. The current destabilization of Iraq IS all Obama’s fault.

Conservatives need to shout this from the roof tops and stop all the hand wringing about a war which was won when George W. Bush left office.

Mike Honcho on June 12, 2014 at 10:16 AM

14:07: ISIS has published rules of conduct for residents of the Iraqi city of Mosul and its surrounding province. In a statement, it says all Muslim residents are ordered to attend the mosque for the five daily prayers, while alcohol and smoking are banned. Police and soldiers are told to repent or be killed, and women are ordered to dress decently and only go out if necessary.

kcewa on June 12, 2014 at 10:17 AM

OT: Ukraine: Tanks ‘cross from Russia’
Breaking news
Ukrainian interior minister says three tanks have crossed border from Russia, amid reports of fresh fighting

kcewa on June 12, 2014 at 10:18 AM

Everything we have touched in the Middle East has turned to crap. It is entirely possible that if we get involved again, we will make sh!t worst. If that is possible.

coolrepublica on June 12, 2014 at 10:12 AM

We? You got obaME in your pocket?

VegasRick on June 12, 2014 at 10:20 AM

Another impeachment moron.

faraway on June 12, 2014 at 10:16 AM

Agreed, who are these wingnutz who think there should be some sort of penalty when the president commits criminal acts while in office? Don’t these imbeciles understand the president is above the law? /

Doomberg on June 12, 2014 at 10:21 AM

Oh-0, oil price hits $106/barrel.

jmtham156 on June 12, 2014 at 10:21 AM

THIS IS THE BOTTOM LINE:

There is going to a larger Sunni-Shia War. it’s way long over due. Which is going to disrupt the oil supplies.

Obama has fighting a 6 year war against oil/natural gas/coal in this country. In a about 6 months when it becomes a larger conflict, we are going to pay for it which much higher prices due to Obama policies.

That is the impact to us.

Oil Can on June 12, 2014 at 10:22 AM

Sooper @SooperMexican

The last western triumph over Islamist aggression was the goddamn FRENCH in Mali!!! The FRENCH!!

sentinelrules on June 12, 2014 at 10:23 AM

https://twitter.com/markknoller

Mark Knoller @markknoller · 40m

WH stops short of committing to US air strikes on ISIL but commits to help build Iraq’s military capacity to stop ISIL.

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Mark Knoller @markknoller · 41m

In statement last night, WH said it will support a new Counterterrorism Fund to help Iraq respond militarily to the ISIL attacks & threats.

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Mark Knoller @markknoller · 45m

Will see if the two leaders discuss the deteriorating situation in parts of Iraq due to attacks from al-Qaida inspired militant group ISIL.

canopfor on June 12, 2014 at 10:04 AM

If I read that right, then the decision has been made not to act. It is now over for Iraq.

rlwo2008 on June 12, 2014 at 10:23 AM

oh yes, we can certainly bet on obama NOT choosing INaction to avoid a political problem. yeah, thats the safe bet.

t8stlikchkn on June 12, 2014 at 10:24 AM

Has anyone driven past a service station this morning?

Alien on June 12, 2014 at 9:58 AM

For more than six months, the price of gasoline has had little to do with the supply of oil. Oil production in the US and most of the rest of the world (not counting the falling production in Venezuela and Iran, plus federal lands here) has increased. Not even speculation can account for the fluctuation in prices that I can see.

Though, it is a world oil market and problems in Iraq have just as much effect here.

cozmo on June 12, 2014 at 10:05 AM

Allow me to fashion a conspiracy theory:

Our government wants us to think we depend on ME oil more than we actually do. So, then, we will be ‘understanding’ thinking that the price at the pump reflects tensions there.

But our military protects those sea lanes and other nations benefit more than we do. This ‘favor’ allows us to leverage those other nations in our interest.

So, we pay at the pump to effectively acquire puppets. And the military-industrial complex keeps chugging along…

Tsar of Earth on June 12, 2014 at 10:25 AM

Is this f***ing real or is it a joke? ISIS terrorist taking over one third of Iraq and keeps on advancing and NATO does not see a reason to interfere? These cowards make Chamberlain looks like an ultra hawk…

mnjg on June 12, 2014 at 10:07 AM

NATO has been dead since the Cold War. NATO is basically the US. If NATO is saying it’s not getting involved, it’s because Obama doesn’t want to get involved.

Honestly, Obama’s done just about everything he could to make the situation worse, all so the left and the “non-interventionists” can do endzone dances about how they were proven right about the failure of Bush’s foreign policy… six years after Bush left office.

Doomberg on June 12, 2014 at 10:25 AM

OT: Ukraine: Tanks ‘cross from Russia’
Breaking news
Ukrainian interior minister says three tanks have crossed border from Russia, amid reports of fresh fighting

kcewa on June 12, 2014 at 10:18 AM

Europe surrenders enmass to the dictator Putin./s Geez, seriously, the whole world is falling apart.

SC.Charlie on June 12, 2014 at 10:25 AM

Agreed, who are these wingnutz who think there should be some sort of penalty when the president commits criminal acts while in office?

Doomberg on June 12, 2014 at 10:21 AM

Please tell us about the criminal act that Obama has committed.

faraway on June 12, 2014 at 10:26 AM

Ukrainian interior minister says three tanks have crossed border from Russia, amid reports of fresh fighting

kcewa on June 12, 2014 at 10:18 AM

Meanwhile subzero is scouting the residence calling out “Has anyone seen my putter?”

dogsoldier on June 12, 2014 at 10:27 AM

Obama has nothing to worry about. He’ll just tell his whores in the MSM that Iraq is ‘old news’ and ‘happened a long time ago’; so just ignore it.

Problem solved.

GarandFan on June 12, 2014 at 10:28 AM

Neville Obama again displaying his ineptitude. Making borders porous at home and abroad since 2009. He will be remembered as a disaster. Where is our Winston Churchill?

Krupnikas on June 12, 2014 at 10:29 AM

Please tell us about the criminal act that Obama has committed.

faraway on June 12, 2014 at 10:26 AM

Barky has committed more than 80 clearly impeachable acts since sliming into office. He had also committed a handful of impeachable acts in the 2008 campaign before he occupooped the White House (he made Watergate look like child’s play) for which he should have been impeached from Day One.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 12, 2014 at 10:30 AM

oh yes, we can certainly bet on obama NOT choosing INaction to avoid a political problem. yeah, thats the safe bet.

t8stlikchkn on June 12, 2014 at 10:24 AM

dither dither dither dither dither dither BLAME BOOSH dither dither

ConstantineXI on June 12, 2014 at 10:31 AM

Please tell us about the criminal act that Obama has committed.

faraway on June 12, 2014 at 10:26 AM

You don’t believe Fast and Furious was a criminal act? How about the White House the IRS to spy on Obama’s political enemies? How about his refusal to inform Congress about Bergdahl? He’s violated laws numerous times. Do I really need to keep going?

People like you who think the executive is a king that may ignore the law at his whim, and should suffer no penalty at all when he or she ignores the law, are beneath contempt.

Doomberg on June 12, 2014 at 10:32 AM

Please tell us about the criminal act that Obama has committed. – faraway on June 12, 2014 at 10:26 AM

What was the criminal act committed by Nixon, he covered-up a bungled breakin at the DNC by some rogue Republican idiots. He was impeached, but never convicted. He resigned.

SC.Charlie on June 12, 2014 at 10:32 AM

Sigh…if only someone had told Obama very early in his life that he was nothing special, not even to his parents, we might not be in this mess today. He wasn’t allowed to fail until he held a position in which failure had grave consequences for the world. We will be a long, long time recovering from this man’s ego trip. Perhaps we will be consoled by standing over the grave of the progressive agenda.

Kritikal on June 12, 2014 at 10:33 AM

You don’t believe Fast and Furious was a criminal act? How about the White House the IRS to spy on Obama’s political enemies? How about his refusal to inform Congress about Bergdahl? He’s violated laws numerous times. Do I really need to keep going?

People like you who think the executive is a king that may ignore the law at his whim, and should suffer no penalty at all when he or she ignores the law, are beneath contempt.

Doomberg on June 12, 2014 at 10:32 AM

In the leftist mind none of that is criminal because Obama did it.

ConstantineXI on June 12, 2014 at 10:34 AM

Mark Knoller @markknoller · 40m
WH stops short of committing to US air strikes on ISIL but commits to help build Iraq’s military capacity to stop ISIL.
Replied to 0 times

canopfor on June 12, 2014 at 10:04 AM

Typical Dem solution: Throw mo’ money at the problem until it goes away…

Newtie and the Beauty on June 12, 2014 at 10:35 AM

Sigh…if only someone had told Obama very early in his life that he was nothing special, not even to his parents, we might not be in this mess today. He wasn’t allowed to fail until he held a position in which failure had grave consequences for the world. We will be a long, long time recovering from this man’s ego trip. Perhaps we will be consoled by standing over the grave of the progressive agenda.

Kritikal on June 12, 2014 at 10:33 AM

Obama wasn’t special to his parents, both of whom abandoned him. He WAS special to communist gay pedophile Frank Marshall Davis however…

ConstantineXI on June 12, 2014 at 10:36 AM

What was the criminal act committed by Nixon, he covered-up a bungled breakin at the DNC by some rogue Republican idiots. He was impeached, but never convicted. He resigned.

SC.Charlie on June 12, 2014 at 10:32 AM

The actual criminal act Nixon was accused of in the articles of Impeachment was attempting to use the IRS to retaliate against his enemies. ATTEMPTING TO. The IRS refused to do it so it actually never happened.

Obama USED the IRS against his enemies. Of course, the targets being conservatives the IRS bureaucracy was more than willing to take the order from Obama that they would not carry out for Nixon…

ConstantineXI on June 12, 2014 at 10:39 AM

For SC.Charlie on June 12, 2014 at 10:32 AM

Nixon was not impeached. He resigned. The House of Representatives never voted to impeach him.

Kritikal on June 12, 2014 at 10:39 AM

Please tell us about the criminal act that Obama has committed.
faraway on June 12, 2014 at 10:26 AM

This is a trick question, right?

Newtie and the Beauty on June 12, 2014 at 10:39 AM

Newtie and the Beauty on June 12, 2014 at 10:35 AM

Agreed..As long as it is somebody else’s money..:)

Dire Straits on June 12, 2014 at 10:40 AM

Would it be helpful to know that Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of this AlQaeda group, was released by Obama in 2009.

faraway on June 12, 2014 at 10:10 AM

Proof, please. I canna find any.

GET OUT OF BAGHDAD NOW !!! The US does NOT have your back !!

Can drones deliver nukes ?? /

pambi on June 12, 2014 at 10:41 AM

You don’t believe Fast and Furious was a criminal act? How about the White House the IRS to spy on Obama’s political enemies? How about his refusal to inform Congress about Bergdahl? He’s violated laws numerous times. Do I really need to keep going?

People like you who think the executive is a king that may ignore the law at his whim, and should suffer no penalty at all when he or she ignores the law, are beneath contempt.

Doomberg on June 12, 2014 at 10:32 AM

If F&F was a criminal act, wouldn’t the House be pursuing it?

What criminal law did Obama violate in the IRS scandal?

You have deluded yourself into equating scandals are criminal acts.

Impeachment takes the spotlight off of Leftist idiocy (where it belongs), and puts it on us.

Wake up. Keep the focus on Obama.

faraway on June 12, 2014 at 10:41 AM

What was the criminal act committed by Nixon, he covered-up a bungled breakin at the DNC by some rogue Republican idiots. He was impeached, but never convicted. He resigned.
SC.Charlie on June 12, 2014 at 10:32 AM

Beggin’ to differ, but Nixon resigned before Articles of Impeachment were voted upon; when he found out that there weren’t enough votes in the House to prevent passage of the AofI, he opted to resign instead of being impeached.

Newtie and the Beauty on June 12, 2014 at 10:42 AM

Obama doesn’t care what happens in Iraq, or who controls it. (I’m a little surprised Noah would think otherwise.) If he did, we would have a robust presence there already.

The most we’re going to get from the Obama administration is an expression of “deep concern”, and perhaps one of those awesome hashtag campaigns.

Steelweaver52 on June 12, 2014 at 10:42 AM

Obama USED the IRS against his enemies.

ConstantineXI on June 12, 2014 at 10:39 AM

You have imagined that Obama himself was involved. Please show us the evidence.

faraway on June 12, 2014 at 10:42 AM

Proof, please. I canna find any.

pambi on June 12, 2014 at 10:41 AM

He was in a prison camp in Iraq. He is no longer there.

cozmo on June 12, 2014 at 10:42 AM

Barky has committed more than 80 clearly impeachable acts since sliming into office. He had also committed a handful of impeachable acts in the 2008 campaign before he occupooped the White House (he made Watergate look like child’s play) for which he should have been impeached from Day One. – ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 12, 2014 at 10:30 AM

Folks the House could bring articles of impeachment against Obama tomorrow. it is controlled by the Republicans. But the Senate has to vote to convict. it is controlled by the DEMOCRATS.

SC.Charlie on June 12, 2014 at 10:43 AM

If F&F was a criminal act, wouldn’t the House be pursuing it?
What criminal law did Obama violate in the IRS scandal?
You have deluded yourself into equating scandals are criminal acts.
Impeachment takes the spotlight off of Leftist idiocy (where it belongs), and puts it on us.
Wake up. Keep the focus on Obama.
faraway on June 12, 2014 at 10:41 AM

I KNEW it was a trick question!

Newtie and the Beauty on June 12, 2014 at 10:43 AM

Would it be helpful to know that Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of this AlQaeda group, was released by Obama in 2009.

faraway on June 12, 2014 at 10:10 AM

Proof, please. I canna find any.

pambi on June 12, 2014 at 10:41 AM

Iraq crisis: the jihadist behind the takeover of Mosul – and how America let him go

faraway on June 12, 2014 at 10:44 AM

Folks the House could bring articles of impeachment against Obama tomorrow. it is controlled by the Republicans. But the Senate has to vote to convict. it is controlled by the DEMOCRATS.
SC.Charlie on June 12, 2014 at 10:43 AM

So? It’s also an election year, and the Dems are in trouble. Either way, IF zero is impeached, it should cool his jets for a spell.

Newtie and the Beauty on June 12, 2014 at 10:45 AM

Sigh…if only someone had told Obama very early in his life that he was nothing special, not even to his parents, we might not be in this mess today. He wasn’t allowed to fail until he held a position in which failure had grave consequences for the world. We will be a long, long time recovering from this man’s ego trip. Perhaps we will be consoled by standing over the grave of the progressive agenda.

Kritikal on June 12, 2014 at 10:33 AM

Bingo. He never had to earn anything. Our first Affirmative Action president.

2lbsTest on June 12, 2014 at 10:46 AM

You have deluded yourself into equating scandals are criminal acts.

faraway on June 12, 2014 at 10:41 AM

The fact that you dismiss this stuff as being just another scandal says a lot.

I’m well aware impeachment has no hope of succeeding but I also think attitudes like yours, which gives a blanket okay to the things Obama is doing, is a major reason why impeachment can’t suceeed.

Doomberg on June 12, 2014 at 10:48 AM

I’m well aware impeachment has no hope of succeeding but I also think attitudes like yours, which gives a blanket okay to the things Obama is doing,

Doomberg on June 12, 2014 at 10:48 AM

You’re doubling down on the dumb.

faraway on June 12, 2014 at 10:51 AM

Beggin’ to differ, but Nixon resigned before Articles of Impeachment were voted upon; when he found out that there weren’t enough votes in the House to prevent passage of the AofI, he opted to resign instead of being impeached. – Newtie and the Beauty on June 12, 2014 at 10:42 AM

The Judiciary Committee voted to move for a vote with articles of impeachment. Enough votes were there to impeach Nixon. However he still had to be convicted by the Senate, which would have certainly occurred. Instead Goldwater and others convinced him that the best thing to was to resign.

SC.Charlie on June 12, 2014 at 10:52 AM

“it is unclear whether the president has much of a choice”

IS THIS A JOKE!

Obama administration response:

Problems in Iran, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Ukraine are issues that can only be dealt with by the international community working together. The U.S. is consulting with our allies and considering the proper course of action.

Our preference is diplomatic solutions, so all possible diplomatic avenues will be exhausted before any possible military intervention is considered. President Obama strongly urges all parties to cease fighting and start talking.

—————

I wrote the above, but the likelihood of U.S. military intervention is Iraq, Syria, Iran., Syria, Libya, et.al. is down to ZERO! The entire structure of the U.S. military is being converted to house, feed, and care for new “immigrants” to the U.S.

pilsener on June 12, 2014 at 10:55 AM

Sum of all fears: Obama may have to approve airstrikes in Iraq

…do ‘drone strikes’ count?

KOOLAID2 on June 12, 2014 at 10:55 AM

Instead Goldwater and others convinced him that the best thing to was to resign.
SC.Charlie on June 12, 2014 at 10:52 AM

While I don’t consider a committee vote to being the same as a vote (conviction) by the full House, I understand your point. Thank you for the clarification, Charlie!

Newtie and the Beauty on June 12, 2014 at 10:57 AM

Iraq can govern itself. Couldn’t care less what’s happening internally there.

libfreeordie on June 12, 2014 at 9:37 AM

Call the presses! I actually agree with libree here!

DethMetalCookieMonst on June 12, 2014 at 10:58 AM

You’re doubling down on the dumb.
faraway on June 12, 2014 at 10:51 AM

Not the way I view it…

Newtie and the Beauty on June 12, 2014 at 10:58 AM

…do ‘drone strikes’ count? – KOOLAID2 on June 12, 2014 at 10:55 AM

With tactical nukes, I would say yes. Otherwise, those kind of strikes are mere pinpricks.

SC.Charlie on June 12, 2014 at 10:58 AM

He’s not going to approve jack and I am watching a rerun.

Cindy Munford on June 12, 2014 at 11:00 AM

Not the way I view it…

Newtie and the Beauty on June 12, 2014 at 10:58 AM

Another impeachment moron?

faraway on June 12, 2014 at 11:01 AM

Obama Admin: ISIS Not As Dangerous As “Core Al-Qaeda”…

Delusional.

Some military officials now believe ISIS is the single greatest terrorist threat the U.S. and its allies face—stronger than the al Qaeda affiliates in Yemen or Africa and far more powerful than al Qaeda’s central leadership in Pakistan. Other senior U.S. officials say ISIS has yet to carry out any attacks directly targeting the U.S.

“It makes you want to kill yourself,” a senior U.S. official said of the intelligence on ISIS, which was presented by U.S. and Gulf allies during the May meeting in Jeddah.

Resist We Much on June 12, 2014 at 11:03 AM

Not the way I view it…

Newtie and the Beauty on June 12, 2014 at 10:58 AM

Another impeachment moron?

faraway on June 12, 2014 at 11:01 AM

You like using those words a lot. Quick question, If George W Bush were still in office would you be calling folks “impeachment morons” as the proceedings took place? I didn’t think so. I don’t think too many people here think that impeachment is possible for obaME but it is warranted.

VegasRick on June 12, 2014 at 11:07 AM

While I don’t consider a committee vote to being the same as a vote (conviction) by the full House, I understand your point. Thank you for the clarification, Charlie! – Newtie and the Beauty on June 12, 2014 at 10:57 AM

I reviewed the record. The House Judiciary had approved the articles of impeachment. So it was then up the the entire House to approve the articles of impeachment. As you said the votes had been counted and the House would have voted to impeach Nixon. No vote ever occurred. So he was not truly impeached. Nixon’s fate was sealed once the House Judiciary Committee passed the articles of impeachment. As I said, Goldwater and other Republicans convinced him to just resign. I lived through that era. Agnew had been forced to resign for taking bribes and Gerald Ford had been installed as Vice-President. He is the only president who has never been elected to the presidency or to be vice-president

SC.Charlie on June 12, 2014 at 11:07 AM

You like using those words a lot. Quick question, If George W Bush were still in office would you be calling folks “impeachment morons” as the proceedings took place? I didn’t think so.

VegasRick on June 12, 2014 at 11:07 AM

Rick, you’re losing me here. Of course I would be calling people morons for trying to impeach Bush.

Obama will be out in a matter of months anyway. The Left is the real enemy. I want to let the Left destroy itself over the next few months. People see the real Left now, and the effect of their policies. Keep the focus on them.

faraway on June 12, 2014 at 11:11 AM

Another impeachment moron? – faraway on June 12, 2014 at 11:01 AM

No, just saying as I say that it possible to impeach Obama, but Newtie and I both know the Senate would never convict Obama. And, who in the hell wants Plugs Biden as president?

SC.Charlie on June 12, 2014 at 11:11 AM

Rick, you’re losing me here. Of course I would be calling people morons for trying to impeach Bush.

Obama will be out in a matter of months anyway. The Left is the real enemy. I want to let the Left destroy itself over the next few months. People see the real Left now, and the effect of their policies. Keep the focus on them. – faraway on June 12, 2014 at 11:11 AM

Those months are years, my friend.

SC.Charlie on June 12, 2014 at 11:12 AM

Another impeachment moron?
faraway on June 12, 2014 at 11:01 AM

You, on the other hand…

Newtie and the Beauty on June 12, 2014 at 11:14 AM

Rick, you’re losing me here. Of course I would be calling people morons for trying to impeach Bush.

Obama will be out in a matter of months anyway. The Left is the real enemy. I want to let the Left destroy itself over the next few months. People see the real Left now, and the effect of their policies. Keep the focus on them.

faraway on June 12, 2014 at 11:11 AM

I agree with the second half of your post but if Bush had done these same things as obaME the left would be calling for impeachment and I would have to agree with them. These guys are not kings.

VegasRick on June 12, 2014 at 11:16 AM

SC.Charlie on June 12, 2014 at 11:07 AM

Great research, Charlie. Thank you for the refresher!

Newtie and the Beauty on June 12, 2014 at 11:18 AM

faraway on June 12, 2014 at 10:44 AM

I appreciate that.
I’m not great at multi-tasking, and my boss expects me to actually work today. ;-).

pambi on June 12, 2014 at 11:19 AM

Rick, you’re losing me here. Of course I would be calling people morons for trying to impeach Bush.
Obama will be out in a matter of months anyway. The Left is the real enemy. I want to let the Left destroy itself over the next few months. People see the real Left now, and the effect of their policies. Keep the focus on them.
faraway on June 12, 2014 at 11:11 AM

So, you appear to think no POTUS (or POUTS, in zero’s case) should be impeached. Is that correct?

Newtie and the Beauty on June 12, 2014 at 11:21 AM

Okay look y’all. As good as impeachment sounds, the case against 0bama is more ambiguous than the case against Clinton. Foreign policy, after all, is constitutionally in the purview of the executive branch. Presidents, both republican and democrat, have resisted, congressional oversight of foreign policy.

Even with the fear among democrats about what 0bama is doing to their party, the vote would be, at best, along party lines. The votes may be there for impeachment, but there is zero chance of him being removed from office. That is before the press spends all their time defending 0bama and blaming it all on the racist TEA party insurgents.

Impeached, or not, 0bama will bypass congress the rest of his term.
At this point, 0bama spends most of his time praying for impeachment to free him from his shackles.

cozmo on June 12, 2014 at 11:21 AM

The first President to lose the country after winning the war????

The first President, who by his actions, helped create an Islamic Caliphate (starting with Syria and Iraq)?

Turkey must be worried…

Iran coming to the aid of Shias?

How big of a loser is Obama?

albill on June 12, 2014 at 11:22 AM

Garland Green nods.

OT: Ukraine: Tanks ‘cross from Russia’
Breaking news
Ukrainian interior minister says three tanks have crossed border from Russia, amid reports of fresh fighting

kcewa on June 12, 2014 at 10:18 AM

Ah, yes, as France falls, Mussolini moves into the Riviera and Tojo occupies Indo-China.

I think I’ve seen this movie.

What’s the correct pronunciation of, “Tora! Tora! Tora!”?

formwiz on June 12, 2014 at 11:23 AM

Obama may have to strike but if strike, we buy. Again.

These guys in Iraq let 800 guys take out 30k of them, They ran like cats running away from a bath. These airstrikes will be a waste of money, but some people just want something done. Anything. We may end up right back where we started.

Everything we have touched in the Middle East has turned to crap. It is entirely possible that if we get involved again, we will make sh!t worst. If that is possible.

foolrepublica on June 12, 2014 at 10:12 AM

Correction: Everything BARRY has touched in the Middle East has turned to crap. It is entirely possible that if BARRY gets involved again, BARRY will make sh!t worst. If that is possible.

slickwillie2001 on June 12, 2014 at 11:25 AM

Right now at the WH Bambi is hunkering down with his advisers planning his next move …

… that’s his political advisers …

… his foreign policy advisers and military advisers will have to wait until after he finishes his golf outing.

PackerBronco on June 12, 2014 at 11:29 AM

So, you appear to think no POTUS (or POUTS, in zero’s case) should be impeached. Is that correct?

Newtie and the Beauty on June 12, 2014 at 11:21 AM

There you go again.

Please list the criminal acts that Obama personally has committed (that we know of). Prior coke sales don’t count. :)

faraway on June 12, 2014 at 11:33 AM

If Lord Barack does give the green light he will place a number of restrictions that will have the effect of putting our military at greatest risk. That is how he works. It is not incompetence, it is called working for the other side.

steveracer on June 12, 2014 at 11:34 AM

At this point, 0bama spends most of his time praying for impeachment to free him from his shackles.

cozmo on June 12, 2014 at 11:21 AM

Exactly. Well said. Thank you.

faraway on June 12, 2014 at 11:34 AM

(Except you used the word ‘shackles’ and we are all racists now) :)

faraway on June 12, 2014 at 11:35 AM

So, you appear to think no POTUS (or POUTS, in zero’s case) should be impeached. Is that correct?
Newtie and the Beauty on June 12, 2014 at 11:21 AM

There you go again.
Please list the criminal acts that Obama personally has committed (that we know of). Prior coke sales don’t count. :)
faraway on June 12, 2014 at 11:33 AM
You dodged the question.

Newtie and the Beauty on June 12, 2014 at 11:36 AM

So, you appear to think no POTUS (or POUTS, in zero’s case) should be impeached. Is that correct?
Newtie and the Beauty on June 12, 2014 at 11:21 AM

There you go again.
Please list the criminal acts that Obama personally has committed (that we know of). Prior coke sales don’t count. :)
faraway on June 12, 2014 at 11:33 AM

You dodged the question.
Newtie and the Beauty on June 12, 2014 at 11:36 AM
For clarity…getting more (__)?…

Newtie and the Beauty on June 12, 2014 at 11:37 AM

How come those convoys are not all bombed?

Because they are obama’s brothers.

Schadenfreude on June 12, 2014 at 11:40 AM

There you go again.

Please list the criminal acts that Obama personally has committed (that we know of). Prior coke sales don’t count. :) – faraway on June 12, 2014 at 11:33 AM

The House Judiciary Committee determines if, “The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.” If the House Judiciary Committee determines if he has committed any of these offenses, it then moves to the entire House to vote nay or yea. It is up the Senate to convict.

SC.Charlie on June 12, 2014 at 11:41 AM

I ignored a strawman. Keep up.

faraway on June 12, 2014 at 11:41 AM

obama will be in Palm Springs tomorrow and Sat., golfing, raking in dough, love-making, etc…

Die children, die, in Iraq and at the border, in the ghettos of the USA. He doesn’t care, the first billionaire president, ever.

Schadenfreude on June 12, 2014 at 11:41 AM

Airstrikes will do nothing. It took thousands of troops to pry Mosul, Tikrit, and other cities from the hands of terrorists..at a heavy cost.

Obama was only concerned with bringing troops home, not with ensuring all the sacrifice made and hard-foguth victories were for nothing. In the end, we are seeing, he has managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and made all the effort and sacrifice made by the very beterans he is allowing to die at home because of a lack of health care is for nothing.

Obama and Liberals are willing to abandon the Iraq people and allow terrorists to reclaim Iraq JUST so they can say, “See, we told you Bush’s efforts – taking us to war – would fail.” It is only failing because of the cowardice, ignorance, and incompetence of the Obama administration.

easyt65 on June 12, 2014 at 11:43 AM

Iraq was a sh#thole before we went there.
It will always be like this. The Muslims are crazy people who do not understand the concept of peace.
Time to let them rot. Enough is enough.
Bush and neocons are the ones who should own this.

weedisgood on June 12, 2014 at 11:44 AM

weedisgood on June 12, 2014 at 11:44 AM

Bless your heart.

ElectricPhase on June 12, 2014 at 11:47 AM

But…but…but…Obama declares world ‘less violent’ than ever.

timberline on June 12, 2014 at 11:48 AM

I ignored a strawman. Keep up. – faraway on June 12, 2014 at 11:41 AM

Obama leaves office on at noon on January 20. 2017. Sadly, no sooner. Would you care to tell me how many months that is? By my count that is more than two and one half years of further incompetence in the White House.

SC.Charlie on June 12, 2014 at 11:50 AM

Bush and neocons are the ones who should own this.

weedisgood on June 12, 2014 at 11:44 AM

Bush released an AQ leader in 2009 who is taking over Iraq and Syria?

Weed damages brain cells dude.

faraway on June 12, 2014 at 11:50 AM

Nuke the site from orbit.

I’m done with it.

Iraq was a sh#thole before we went there.
It will always be like this. The Muslims are crazy people who do not understand the concept of peace.
Time to let them rot. Enough is enough.

I agree.

Bush and neocons are the ones who should own this.

weedisgood on June 12, 2014 at 11:44 AM

Sorry, Obama bought this in working condition, then broke it, he owns it.

Midas on June 12, 2014 at 11:50 AM

Iraq was a sh#thole before we went there.
It will always be like this. The Muslims are crazy people who do not understand the concept of peace.
Time to let them rot. Enough is enough.
Bush and neocons are the ones who should own this.

weedisgood on June 12, 2014 at 11:44 AM

When all this gets here, and it will, faster than your little mind can conceive, I hope you get to meet them first.

trigon on June 12, 2014 at 11:51 AM

Bush and neocons are the ones who should own this.

weedisgood on June 12, 2014 at 11:44 AM

Traffic builder……………………………that’s all.

VegasRick on June 12, 2014 at 11:53 AM

I ignored a strawman. Keep up. – faraway on June 12, 2014 at 11:41 AM

Obama leaves office on at noon on January 20. 2017. Sadly, no sooner. Would you care to tell me how many months that is? By my count that is more than two and one half years of further incompetence in the White House.

SC.Charlie on June 12, 2014 at 11:50 AM

Sorry, SC, I was referring to Newt.

Sadly, you can’t impeach someone for being incompetent. Or for being a Leftwing Marxist.

faraway on June 12, 2014 at 11:53 AM

The Times report adds that the same appeal was made in a May 16 phone call between Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki and Vice President Joe Biden.

Can you imagine what a phone call between those two geniuses sounded like?

Over50 on June 12, 2014 at 11:54 AM

Sorry, Obama bought this in working condition, then broke it, he owns it.

Midas on June 12, 2014 at 11:50 AM

The notion that Iraq was ever in a ‘working conditioned’ is ludicrous.
Iraq was barely functional because we were pouring billions into it. Billions we cannot afford.
It was only a matter of time before it became like this. After cut backs on money and military personal this was bound to happen.
Ron Paul sounded a warning bell but no one wanted to listen.

weedisgood on June 12, 2014 at 11:55 AM

Iraq was a sh#thole before we went there.
It will always be like this. The Muslims are crazy people who do not understand the concept of peace.
Time to let them rot. Enough is enough.
Bush and neocons are the ones who should own this. – weedisgood on June 12, 2014 at 11:44 AM

Sure weedisgood, it is always Buusssh’s fault. Smoke another joint. Folks, troll alert.

SC.Charlie on June 12, 2014 at 11:56 AM

The Times report adds that the same appeal was made in a May 16 phone call between Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki and Vice President Joe Biden.

Can you imagine what a phone call between those two geniuses sounded like?

Over50 on June 12, 2014 at 11:54 AM

Probably like an old Bob Newhart phone routine.

hawkeye54 on June 12, 2014 at 12:00 PM

The notion that Iraq was ever in a ‘working conditioned’ is ludicrous.
Iraq was barely functional because we were pouring billions into it. Billions we cannot afford.
It was only a matter of time before it became like this. After cut backs on money and military personal this was bound to happen.
Ron Paul sounded a warning bell but no one wanted to listen. – weedisgood on June 12, 2014 at 11:55 AM

Weedy, Obama bungled the status of forces agreement with the idiots in the Iraq government. Obama declared the war over and we left. He also is on record saying that Al Qaeda is no longer a threat. Strike up another joint. Inhale deeply.

SC.Charlie on June 12, 2014 at 12:01 PM

Sure weedisgood, it is always Buusssh’s fault. Smoke another joint. Folks, troll alert.

SC.Charlie on June 12, 2014 at 11:56 AM

I voted for Bush but I tell it like it is.
He owns Iraq. The ultimate decision to wage the war was his and he botched it big time.
And if Iraq were to come back into the news, Hillary will NOT be the nominee for the democrats.

weedisgood on June 12, 2014 at 12:01 PM

Weedy, Obama bungled the status of forces agreement with the idiots in the Iraq government. Obama declared the war over and we left. He also is on record saying that Al Qaeda is no longer a threat. Strike up another joint. Inhale deeply.

SC.Charlie on June 12, 2014 at 12:01 PM

We should have never been in Iraq in the first place. Unless you support spending billions of dollars on Muslims who hate us to keep an artificial peace going..this was always going to be the end result.
Ron Paul goes into great detail in his book regarding this matter.
The ‘peace in Iraq’ is artificial. It’s unsustainable with the amount of money we are pouring in!!!

weedisgood on June 12, 2014 at 12:04 PM

OT: Ukraine: Tanks ‘cross from Russia’
Breaking news
Ukrainian interior minister says three tanks have crossed border from Russia, amid reports of fresh fighting

kcewa on June 12, 2014 at 10:18 AM

Ah, yes, as France falls, Mussolini moves into the Riviera and Tojo occupies Indo-China.

I think I’ve seen this movie.

What’s the correct pronunciation of, “Tora! Tora! Tora!”?

formwiz on June 12, 2014 at 11:23 AM

Russian bombers were recently sighted off the California coast too.

Is this summer gonna be fun or what?

As for the pronunciation of “Tora! Tora! Tora!” please allow me to consult my German/English dictionary and I’ll get right back to you.

hawkeye54 on June 12, 2014 at 12:04 PM

Sorry, SC, I was referring to Newt.
Sadly, you can’t impeach someone for being incompetent. Or for being a Leftwing Marxist.
faraway on June 12, 2014 at 11:53 AM

But you CAN impeach for such things as corruption, abuse of power, violating Federal law, dereliction of duty, etc.

Newtie and the Beauty on June 12, 2014 at 12:08 PM

Sadly, you can’t impeach someone for being incompetent. Or for being a Leftwing Marxist. – faraway on June 12, 2014 at 11:53 AM

He can be impeached for a misdemeanor, if half of the House Judiciary Committee issues articles of impeachment. Of course the half of the House would have to vote yes on the articles of impeachment issued by the House Judiciary Committee, too. Then it would go the Senate for a conviction.

Bottom line. It is not going to happen.

SC.Charlie on June 12, 2014 at 12:09 PM

But you CAN impeach for such things as corruption, abuse of power, violating Federal law, dereliction of duty, etc.

Newtie and the Beauty on June 12, 2014 at 12:08 PM

Well, that should cover about 3/4 of our CONgress. Can anybody impeach them? Anybody? Bueller? Bueller?

hawkeye54 on June 12, 2014 at 12:10 PM

Regardless of how u feel about the Iraq war, the fact is Bush handed Obama victory. All he had to do was not screw up the peace. And Obama blew it. Obama and Obama alone owns this mess. And I for one find it heart-wrenching that our troops sacrificed so much only to have it all thrown away.

Jack_Burton on June 12, 2014 at 12:17 PM

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