Planned Parenthood: BDSM advocate no longer counseling teens; Update: Live Action derides “the token firing” strategy; Update: PP lied about termination?

posted at 11:31 am on June 12, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

It didn’t take long for Live Action to get results from the first video launched in its new Planned Parenthood Exposed project [update: link fixed]. Released yesterday, the undercover video shows a counselor at a PP clinic in Indianapolis extolling the pleasures of sadism, masochism, and bondage to an investigator posing as a 15-year-old in need of basic sex education:

The conversation starts off discussing role-playing games in sexual activity, but the counselor quickly turns to suggesting that the girl try out being a dominatrix or a submissive. When the girl asks what “kink” means, the counselor suggests anal sex and toys, and instructs her to start off with a “taste” and then work up to the “harder things.”

She’s suggesting this to a fifteen-year-old girl. Basic sex education at this stage should consist of, well, the basics, including the need to wait for maturity and full development, and the need to keep from being exploited by teenage boys, especially when it comes to pain and domination. This isn’t feminine empowerment; it’s molding victims who will eventually end up in their clinics. And let’s not forget that taxpayers are handing over nearly a half-billion dollars to PP every year, in part to offer this kind of advice to vulnerable teens.

By the end of the day, Planned Parenthood distanced itself from the advice dispensed at its clinic. They rejected the idea that this is a normal PP counseling session and said that the employee no longer worked for the organization (via LifeNews):

Live Action president Lila Rose said the video — the first of several tapes from other Planned Parenthood centers around the country that her organization plans to release — reveals Planned Parenthood’s support of “dangerous” sexual experimentation that should alarm parents and lawmakers. She also said it should result in Planned Parenthood losing federal funds for sexual education.

“They’re pushing dangerous sexual practices on teens and promoting them to teens,” Rose said. She also said such practices “are going to set teens up for physical, emotional and mental problems.”

Planned Parenthood president and CEO Betty Cockrum doesn’t dispute the authenticity of the tape, but also said it is not indicative of the type of counseling and information clients are provided.

“While the heavy editing of this video makes it impossible to know the full exchange that took place, this video clearly does not reflect our professional standards or training protocols, and this staff member is no longer employed at PPINK,” she said in a written statement.

“This video does not reflect the work our dedicated employees do every day, nor the experience shared by parents and teens who participate in our programs,” Cockrum added.

Planned Parenthood spokeswoman Tammy Lieber said Cockrum was not available Wednesday night to answer questions. Lieber also would not reveal whether the employee was fired or left voluntarily, or when that occurred, due to privacy policies.

Cockrum is laying a dangerous wager with this statement. Live Action made this tape in March, and afterward launched the new microsite. That signals that this is not an isolated incident, and that we can expect a series of tapes from PP clinics that show a pattern of such “advice” from its counselors. Also, the “heavily edited” rebuttal has been used before with Live Action, and failed; they will eventually post the entire video, and it will almost certainly show as it has in their past efforts that the unedited tape doesn’t mitigate the issue at all.

Update: A couple of notes. First, while my reference to “cosplay” was meant to be tongue in cheek, it’s not really accurate. I’ve edited to be a little more clear. Also, Lila Rose dropped me an e-mail to note that the full video is already available by request for media outlets wishing to confirm the story, and definitely on an age-restricted basis.

Also, Live Action has a statement out in response to Planned Parenthood’s comments:

“You’re seeing step one of the Planned Parenthood damage control handbook: the token firing.  It’s always a little strange, because Planned Parenthood tries to have it both ways: they announce terminating the employee for violating “professional standards” but never specify what those standards are. Meanwhile, their BDSM training video remains online, and they continue to list “resources” that tell kids that torture sex is totally fine. So what exactly did the staffer in our video do to bring the wrath of Planned Parenthood down on her?

“In past releases, step two in the handbook is to ignore the exact same abuses we reveal in subsequent videos from additional Planned Parenthood locations across the country.  We saw this in our sex-trafficking investigation and our sex-selective abortion investigation, and we’ll probably see it here, too.  Planned Parenthood is trying to cast our video as a one-off.

“But throwing one employee under the bus does nothing to solve the abortion giant’s organization-wide problem: their promotion of dangerous sexual activity to teens in their online materials and programs.  Lawmakers need to take action immediately to stop forcing taxpayers to support Planned Parenthood, and parents should call their school principals and superintendents to cut off Planned Parenthood’s access to teens in their communities.”

We’ll see what happens after the next video drops.

Update: Maybe it’s just the world’s shortest termination. Yeah, that’s the ticket:

Live Action will have a YouTube up later about this development.


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God Bless Lila Rose!! What a champion she is!!

Deano1952 on June 12, 2014 at 11:37 AM

This isn’t feminine empowerment; it’s molding victims who will eventually end up in their clinics.

Hey, it’s called cultivating a market. They need to drum up future business.

They rejected the idea that this is a normal PP counseling session and said that the employee no longer worked for the organization

As were all those pimps & “underaged” prostitutes. Nor is the VA secret waiting lists normal practices.

PS, NSA, those last two sentences were sarcasm.

rbj on June 12, 2014 at 11:38 AM

This is so stupid. Any 15 year old can learn the exact same things on the internet. It seems the social conservatives are concerned about what happens in the verbal transmission? But more to the point. BDSM isn’t “wild,” it’s pretty mainstream. When you put a silly blindfold on your spouse, you’re engaging in BDSM, because you’re playing off the vulnerability of the blindfolded and the increased power of the one who has sight. So watch out you freaky kinksters.

And most importantly, two 15 year olds playing at blindfolding or being tied up are not necessarily engaging in sexual intercourse. Given that a lot of BDSM is, to quote Dan Savage “cops and robbers for adults” the “play” aspect of it, might be a way of steering teens towards a sexual future where they pursue what is fun, rather than acts they think will make them into “real men” or “real women.” But proceed to now accuse me of being a predator or something.

libfreeordie on June 12, 2014 at 11:38 AM

She’s suggesting this to a fifteen-year-old girl.

And this is a surprise? We’re talking about PLANNED PARENTHOOD, one of the biggest euphemistic, propagandistic labels, and most evil organizations, in the country.

I’m surprised they didn’t strap her in and start an invasive exam to remove any potential babies…I mean, ‘parasitic infestations,’ in PP/progressive speak…on the spot.

Evil needs to be called what it is. EVIL.

xNavigator on June 12, 2014 at 11:38 AM

They rejected the idea that this is a normal PP counseling session and said that the employee no longer worked for the organization

Until they rehire her after this blows over.

Flange on June 12, 2014 at 11:38 AM

the link goes to “plannedparenthoodexposed.org” but it’s supposed to be “plannedparenthoodexposed.com” just saying!!

Sachiko on June 12, 2014 at 11:40 AM

This is so stupid.

libfreeordie on June 12, 2014 at 11:38 AM

Never has anyone more properly introduced a post than you did right there!

xNavigator on June 12, 2014 at 11:40 AM

racist quoting dan savage above.
priceless.

dmacleo on June 12, 2014 at 11:40 AM

This is so stupid. Any 15 year old can learn the exact same things on the internet.

libfreeordie on June 12, 2014 at 11:38 AM

Then let them learn this on their own dime, not taxpayers, idiot.

Walter L. Newton on June 12, 2014 at 11:41 AM

I think people with sex fetishes are actively seeking employment with PP. Who would have guessed that would be a plus on a resume. Sheesh!

Blake on June 12, 2014 at 11:42 AM

This is so stupid. Any 15 year old can learn the exact same things on the internet.

libfreeordie on June 12, 2014 at 11:38 AM

Ahhhh. So that makes it okay. Got it.

tru2tx on June 12, 2014 at 11:42 AM

I saw this last night and was furious. The uc woman was posing as a 15 year old child and this piece of garbage counselor was telling her how to be a dominatrix? WTF??? Time for PP to no longer be paid for with our tax dollars…long past time. Disgusting. Thank you to the brave and beautiful Lila Rose!

neyney on June 12, 2014 at 11:45 AM

libfreeordie on June 12, 2014 at 11:38 AM

I’m shocked, SHOCKED that Hotair’s sexual deviant is defending sexual deviancy being peddled to our nations underage girls with tax payer money. Shocked, SHOCKED!

jawkneemusic on June 12, 2014 at 11:46 AM

libfreeordie on June 12, 2014 at 11:38 AM

So you agree with the benefits of sexual asphyxiation?

You are deranged lesbian.

sentinelrules on June 12, 2014 at 11:46 AM

libfreeordie on June 12, 2014 at 11:38 AM

Fine. Let them loose on the internet. Do taxpayers have to pitch these people $500M to $750M? Liberals have more than enough dough to keep PP afloat.

Also, to compare blindfolding to the degrees of pain this worker was encouraging the girl to experiment is probably one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever read. Do you even know how to assimilate information and to draw proper analogies?

You really are a crackpot.

BuckeyeSam on June 12, 2014 at 11:48 AM

They fired the “counselor” for toeing their line.

22044 on June 12, 2014 at 11:49 AM

This is so stupid. Any 15 year old can learn the exact same things on the internet.

libfreeordie on June 12, 2014 at 11:38 AM

They can learn how to become an AlQaeda member on the internet. Your logic skills are what drove you into the cult I take it.

faraway on June 12, 2014 at 11:49 AM

But proceed to now accuse me of being a predator or something.

libfreeorgan on June 12, 2014 at 11:38 AM

…but…but…but that beauty pageant winner with the 4th degree black belt said……………!

KOOLAID2 on June 12, 2014 at 11:49 AM

And most importantly, two 15 year olds playing at blindfolding or being tied up are not necessarily engaging in sexual intercourse. Given that a lot of BDSM is, to quote Dan Savage “cops and robbers for adults” the “play” aspect of it, might be a way of steering teens towards a sexual future where they pursue what is fun, rather than acts they think will make them into “real men” or “real women.” But proceed to now accuse me of being a predator or something.

libfreeordie on June 12, 2014 at 11:38 AM

You lost me at Dan Savage.

rockmom on June 12, 2014 at 11:50 AM

libfreeordie on June 12, 2014 at 11:38 AM

Wrong blog, racist perv.
Then again, all the other blogs are wrong for you as well.

22044 on June 12, 2014 at 11:50 AM

Lila/Live Action is on a marketing campaign.
You guys are the customers. They know what you want.
And if it takes 50,000 hours of undercover filming and editing to find it for you…well gosh darn it they’re gonna find it.
I suppose if they were marketing against the US Military, they’d wait ’til they had that golden footage of one soldier doing and saying that one thing.
And you guys know how horrible teachers are, right?
It can be proven by the story about the 8th grade teacher who slept with one of her students.
Also, if you watched that 20/20 episode last year you know that your dentist could be killing you.

verbaluce on June 12, 2014 at 11:51 AM

But proceed to now accuse me of being a predator or something.

libfreeordie on June 12, 2014 at 11:38 AM

I’ll accuse you of completely missing the point.

Bishop on June 12, 2014 at 11:51 AM

This is so stupid. Any 15 year old can learn the exact same things on the internet.

no actually, that’s not true because parents can monitor what websites their kids go on. it’s a parent’s responsibility to be aware of what their kids are doing and looking at. and they should teach their kids that they shouldn’t even try to look up certain things on the internet until they are old enough. at 15 i hardly knew about bdsm at all because i wasn’t even trying to find out that information. i was too busy trying to act my own age instead of acting like an adult, you know.

BDSM isn’t “wild,” it’s pretty mainstream.

among 15 year olds though? no, that’s too young to be having sex at all let alone having the type of sexual interactions that can be hurtful if you’re not careful.

And most importantly, two 15 year olds playing at blindfolding or being tied up are not necessarily engaging in sexual intercourse.

but they are still doing it for sexual reasons. they’re playing with each other’s bodies in a sensual way. and if they repeatedly do something like that, they might end up going all the way and having intercourse.

Given that a lot of BDSM is, to quote Dan Savage “cops and robbers for adults”

that’s a stupid thing to say. cops and robbers is a completely innocent kids’ game with no sexual aspect. but hey, stupidity is what i expect from savage.

the “play” aspect of it, might be a way of steering teens towards a sexual future where they pursue what is fun, rather than acts they think will make them into “real men” or “real women.” But proceed to now accuse me of being a predator or something.

libfreeordie on June 12, 2014 at 11:38 AM

but they are too young to be pursuing all this sexual “fun,” that’s the point. it is so upsetting to me that you and other liberals try to encourage sexuality at younger and younger ages. you push teens to grow up too quickly. you couldn’t care less about the emotional consequences of sex with someone you’re not in a deep relationship with (there are many emotional consequences, contrary to what liberals believe) you couldn’t care less about the fact that teens are immature- they have not completely finished puberty yet. and they are still minors. and they are too irresponsible at that age to be engaging in sexual activity. and, you couldn’t care less about actually being abstinent and making a lifelong commitment to someone before you have sex with them. every time we social conservatives bring it up, you act like abstinence is impossible. more like, you just don’t want to do it (because it involves self-control and personal responsibility).

Sachiko on June 12, 2014 at 11:53 AM

And you guys know how horrible teachers are, right?
It can be proven by the story about the 8th grade teacher who slept with one of her students.
Also, if you watched that 20/20 episode last year you know that your dentist could be killing you.

verbaluce on June 12, 2014 at 11:51 AM

And this guy got shot somewhere.

And a dude lost his medical insurance over there.

And did you hear about the Tea Partier flying a Confederate flag?

Yeah…talk about being sold something.

Bishop on June 12, 2014 at 11:53 AM

verbaluce

Why do threads about abortion attract all the ghouls. Actually, never mind.

22044 on June 12, 2014 at 11:54 AM

Fine. Let them loose on the internet. Do taxpayers have to pitch these people $500M to $750M? Liberals have more than enough dough to keep PP afloat.

Also, to compare blindfolding to the degrees of pain this worker was encouraging the girl to experiment is probably one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever read. Do you even know how to assimilate information and to draw proper analogies?

You really are a crackpot.

BuckeyeSam on June 12, 2014 at 11:48 AM

So, how would you have answered the girl? She came in and asked for information on the subject. Would you have said “I can’t answer that; you need to go to the internet”?

The PP worker shouldn’t have given her the PP’s personal experience, to be sure, but the PP worker did tell her to set boundaries and such. And Fifty Shades of Grey is available at her public library.

jim56 on June 12, 2014 at 11:55 AM

Did you know women are supposed to barf or pee on themselves when confronted by a rapist?

Bishop on June 12, 2014 at 11:56 AM

This just shows you the “quality” of employees they hire at PP.

Ward Cleaver on June 12, 2014 at 11:56 AM

They rejected the idea that this is a normal PP counseling session and said that the employee no longer worked for the organization

Until they rehire her after this blows over.

Flange on June 12, 2014 at 11:38 AM

So that she can be appointed to the policy-making board of PP. /

Alien on June 12, 2014 at 11:57 AM

jim56

Why do threads about abortion attract all the ghouls. Actually, never mind.

22044 on June 12, 2014 at 11:54 AM

22044 on June 12, 2014 at 11:57 AM

that’s not true because parents can monitor what websites their kids go on….

Sachiko on June 12, 2014 at 11:53 AM

How? On the home PC, perhaps. On the library’s or friend’s PC or on the cell phone, doubtful. And the library also probably has books on this topic in addition to Fifty Shades of Grey.

jim56 on June 12, 2014 at 11:57 AM

So, how would you have answered the girl? She came in and asked for information on the subject. Would you have said “I can’t answer that; you need to go to the internet”?

The PP worker shouldn’t have given her the PP’s personal experience, to be sure, but the PP worker did tell her to set boundaries and such. And Fifty Shades of Grey is available at her public library.

jim56 on June 12, 2014 at 11:55 AM

All of that just shows you how our culture is in a race to the bottom.

Ward Cleaver on June 12, 2014 at 11:58 AM

This is so stupid. Any 15 year old can learn the exact same things on the internet.

libfreeordie on June 12, 2014 at 11:38 AM

As well as learn how to make bombs, poison, etc, so we shouldn’t intervene with those either I guess..

hillsoftx on June 12, 2014 at 11:58 AM

libfreeordie on June 12, 2014 at 11:38 AM

This is indeed stupid, but not for the reasons you state.
Regardless of the set-up or the baiting, this ‘counselors’ comments and advice were wholly inappropriate and wrong. She was rightly fired. And this is indeed an isolated incident which offers absolutely no insight whatsoever on PP or the people who work there.
It’s telling that Lila has to peddle absurd stuff like this.
But it’s showtime at Live Action…bring on the clowns.

verbaluce on June 12, 2014 at 11:58 AM

So that she can be appointed to the policy-making board of PP. /

Alien on June 12, 2014 at 11:57 AM

You /, but I wouldn’t be too certain!

22044 on June 12, 2014 at 11:58 AM

Yep, the correct answer was not to tell them to hit the internet but to instead read “50 Shades of Gray”.

ROFL

Bishop on June 12, 2014 at 11:58 AM

jim56

Why do threads about abortion attract all the ghouls. Actually, never mind.

22044 on June 12, 2014 at 11:54 AM

22044 on June 12, 2014 at 11:57 AM

This thread isn’t about abortion.

jim56 on June 12, 2014 at 11:58 AM

The PP worker shouldn’t have given her the PP’s personal experience, to be sure, but the PP worker did tell her to set boundaries and such. And Fifty Shades of Grey is available at her public library.

jim56 on June 12, 2014 at 11:55 AM

Stop with the logic, just stop it!!

libfreeordie on June 12, 2014 at 11:59 AM

I am indeed stupid, for obvious reasons.

verby aka Juan/Bob on June 12, 2014 at 11:58 AM

Severely edited…for accuracy, you know.

22044 on June 12, 2014 at 11:59 AM

Lila/Live Action is on a marketing campaign.
You guys are the customers. They know what you want.
And if it takes 50,000 hours of undercover filming and editing to find it for you…well gosh darn it they’re gonna find it.
I suppose if they were marketing against the US Military, they’d wait ’til they had that golden footage of one soldier doing and saying that one thing.
And you guys know how horrible teachers are, right?
It can be proven by the story about the 8th grade teacher who slept with one of her students.
Also, if you watched that 20/20 episode last year you know that your dentist could be killing you.

verbaluce on June 12, 2014 at 11:51 AM

oh, give it up. planned parenthood is full of employees who are not concerned at all for the health of teenagers or women in general. there are plenty of examples more than this one. there is a reason so many people talk about not wanting their tax dollars going to that ridiculous organization. it’s not like it’s a rare incident to find corruption, dishonesty, and lack of concern for safety, when it comes to planned parenthood. it’s a dangerous organization with a dangerous ideology, founded by a despicable person. planned parenthood exposed will have many more videos i’m sure. and live action already did investigations of planned parenthood, such as their investigation into the organization’s covering up sexual abuse.

Sachiko on June 12, 2014 at 12:00 PM

I am too obtuse and blind to get it.

jim56 on June 12, 2014 at 11:58 AM

Edited for accuracy here as well, but not as severely.

22044 on June 12, 2014 at 12:01 PM

And this is indeed an isolated incident which offers absolutely no insight whatsoever on PP or the people who work there.
verbaluce on June 12, 2014 at 11:58 AM

Wanna bet a quarter?

cptacek on June 12, 2014 at 12:01 PM

And you guys know how horrible teachers are, right?
It can be proven by the story about the 8th grade teacher who slept with one of her students.
Also, if you watched that 20/20 episode last year you know that your dentist could be killing you.

verbaluce on June 12, 2014 at 11:51 AM

And this guy got shot somewhere.

And a dude lost his medical insurance over there.

And did you hear about the Tea Partier flying a Confederate flag?

Yeah…talk about being sold something.

Bishop on June 12, 2014 at 11:53 AM

Exactly, Bishop.
If Lila was motivated to tarnish the Tea Party, she’d present the Vegas cop killers who draped a Don’t Tread On Me flag over the officers’ bodies as ‘evidence’.
It just like that.
An equally absurd, stupid, and false illustration.
Glad we agree!

verbaluce on June 12, 2014 at 12:02 PM

This thread isn’t about abortion.

jim56 on June 12, 2014 at 11:58 AM

Planned Parenthood performs unicorns, not abortions.

sentinelrules on June 12, 2014 at 12:02 PM

libfreeordie is promoting Class D felonies in Indiana

IC 35-42-4-6 Version a
Child solicitation
Sec. 6. (a) As used in this section, “solicit” means to command, authorize, urge, incite, request, or advise an individual:
(1) in person;

to perform an act described in subsection (b) or (c).
(c) A person at least twenty-one (21) years of age who knowingly or intentionally solicits a child at least fourteen (14) years of age but less than sixteen (16) years of age, or an individual the person believes to be a child at least fourteen (14) years of age but less than sixteen (16) years of age, to engage in:
(1) sexual intercourse;
(2) deviate sexual conduct; or
commits child solicitation, a Class D felony.

faraway on June 12, 2014 at 12:03 PM

And this is indeed an isolated incident which offers absolutely no insight whatsoever on PP or the people who work there.
verbaluce on June 12, 2014 at 11:58 AM

Wanna bet a quarter?

cptacek on June 12, 2014 at 12:01 PM

Considering that Live Action has promised a series of such vids, I’d say that was a bad bet.

5,000 douchebags later the same apologists will be here saying “Come on, unfair!”

Bishop on June 12, 2014 at 12:04 PM

This is so stupid. Any 15 year old can learn the exact same things on the internet.

libfreeordie on June 12, 2014 at 11:38 AM

Then let them learn this on their own dime, not taxpayers, idiot.

Walter L. Newton on June 12, 2014 at 11:41 AM

Our resident tap dancer shows up without missing a beat. And gets it wrong again, of course. I don’t much care where anybody learns to engage in any behavior. Like Walter said, they can learn it on their own dime. DON’T MAKE ME PAY FOR IT.

But then, in libfree’s world, not wanting to pay for something is clearly the same as making it forbidden to the rest of the world. Expecting someone to pay for their own stuff clearly means I want them to suffer. Expecting Sandra “Bury-Me-In-A-’Y’-Shaped-Coffin” Fluke to buy her own birth control means I obviously want her barefoot and pregnant.

Their position on gun control makes it obvious that’s how these tards think. If they don’t want a gun, it’s not enough to simply not get a gun. They have to make sure NO ONE else has one. That mindset is simply projected onto us, so they think if we don’t want to have something, it means we don’t want anyone else to have it either.

It’s truly a mental disorder.

CurtZHP on June 12, 2014 at 12:04 PM

libfreeordie on June 12, 2014 at 11:38 AM

Just admit it libfreeordie.

Your homosexual partner abused you at a young and vulnerable age. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO DEFEND HIM OR HIS ACTIONS.

What he did was WRONG. Do not enable more people to be hurt.

What happened to you was debasing and marginalizing, not empowering.

BKennedy on June 12, 2014 at 12:04 PM

And this guy got shot somewhere.

And a dude lost his medical insurance over there.

And did you hear about the Tea Partier flying a Confederate flag?

Yeah…talk about being sold something.

Bishop on June 12, 2014 at 11:53 AM

Whoa. Is verby your sock puppet?

22044 on June 12, 2014 at 12:04 PM

Planned Parenthood is about making money, period. First, they sell women artificial contraceptives, and then when they don’t use them properly, of the contraceptives don’t work (no artificial contraceptives are 100 percent effective), they sell them an abortion. It’s a win-win for PP.

Ward Cleaver on June 12, 2014 at 12:05 PM

Considering that Live Action has promised a series of such vids, I’d say that was a bad bet.

5,000 douchebags later the same apologists will be here saying “Come on, unfair!”

Bishop on June 12, 2014 at 12:04 PM

Thanks for nothing. I was hoping to win a quarter. Bastard.

cptacek on June 12, 2014 at 12:05 PM

libfreeordie is promoting Class D felonies in Indiana

IC 35-42-4-6 Version a
Child solicitation
Sec. 6. (a) As used in this section, “solicit” means to command, authorize, urge, incite, request, or advise an individual:
(1) in person;

to perform an act described in subsection (b) or (c).
(c) A person at least twenty-one (21) years of age who knowingly or intentionally solicits a child at least fourteen (14) years of age but less than sixteen (16) years of age, or an individual the person believes to be a child at least fourteen (14) years of age but less than sixteen (16) years of age, to engage in:
(1) sexual intercourse;
(2) deviate sexual conduct; or
commits child solicitation, a Class D felony.

faraway on June 12, 2014 at 12:03 PM

That probably applies only if the 21 year old plans to participate in the act.

jim56 on June 12, 2014 at 12:07 PM

And this is indeed an isolated incident which offers absolutely no insight whatsoever on PP or the people who work there.
verbaluce on June 12, 2014 at 11:58 AM

Wanna bet a quarter?

cptacek on June 12, 2014 at 12:01 PM

Here’s what I’ll bet you 2 quarters on –
the vast vast majority of her stings and set ups resulted in useless footage of PP employees being kind, thoughtful, proper, and decent. It would show them as likeable and admirable.
It would show them being compassionate and concerned and being upstanding in their treatment of and engagement with those who see their help.
And none of that footage will ever see the light of day.
It likely gets instantly deleted.

verbaluce on June 12, 2014 at 12:07 PM

Exactly, Bishop.
If Lila was motivated to tarnish the Tea Party, she’d present the Vegas cop killers who draped a Don’t Tread On Me flag over the officers’ bodies as ‘evidence’.
It just like that.
An equally absurd, stupid, and false illustration.
Glad we agree!

verbaluce on June 12, 2014 at 12:02 PM

No kidding, so Live Action isn’t promising an entire series of these vids? Or do you have multiple incidents of such cop killers performing their atrocities?

I know you’re trying here but at what point will you assume there is a systemic problem at PP, after 10 examples, 20, 30, 50?

Exit Question: Were the Vegas psychos supported by taxpayer dollars?

Bishop on June 12, 2014 at 12:07 PM

Can libfree be banned now? Please? Criminy! I had a comment blocked here for much much less.

CrimsonFisted on June 12, 2014 at 12:10 PM

And none of that footage will ever see the light of day.
It likely gets instantly deleted.

verbaluce on June 12, 2014 at 12:07 PM

I know right.

Most KKK meetings are well behaved and civilized.

The media just likes to show the bad stuff.

sentinelrules on June 12, 2014 at 12:11 PM

BKennedy on June 12, 2014 at 12:04 PM

Stupid.
Think you can make a point with using the mockery of abuse or gays as a lame backdrop?
Maybe you can’t.

verbaluce on June 12, 2014 at 12:11 PM

verbaluce on June 12, 2014 at 11:58 AM

It’s okay to fix this isolated incident, right?

Cindy Munford on June 12, 2014 at 12:11 PM

And none of that footage will ever see the light of day.
It likely gets instantly deleted.

verbaluce on June 12, 2014 at 12:07 PM

I know of some footage that has never seen the light of day: A certain black demorat congressman being spit upon by DeathCare protesters back in the day.

Strange considering there is a standing $100k bounty for such a vid.

Stranger still is the leftist caterwauling that yes indeed it happened and is rock-solid proof that the Tea Party is chock full of racists.

Those were good times back then, yes?

Bishop on June 12, 2014 at 12:12 PM

libfreeordie on June 12, 2014 at 11:38 AM
jim56 on June 12, 2014 at 11:55 AM (You didn’t address why tax dollars should go for this when liberals can underwrite it.)
verbaluce on June 12, 2014 at 11:58 AM

I have four nieces (ages 17 to 29), and all four are winners. They had far more constructive things to do at age 15 than show up at PP to ask questions about BDSM.

I really feel bad for all three of you.

BuckeyeSam on June 12, 2014 at 12:12 PM

sentinelrules on June 12, 2014 at 12:11 PM

So far, you are in the lead on false analogies.
But there will be competition.

verbaluce on June 12, 2014 at 12:12 PM

verbaluce on June 12, 2014 at 12:02 PM

Have those people been connected to the Tea Party? I know the Bundy’s said they ran them off their ranch during their dust up with the government.

Cindy Munford on June 12, 2014 at 12:14 PM

I have four nieces (ages 17 to 29), and all four are winners. They had far more constructive things to do at age 15 than show up at PP to ask questions about BDSM.

I really feel bad for all three of you.

BuckeyeSam on June 12, 2014 at 12:12 PM

You make zero sense.
Also…you do know that the 15 year old was a plant, right?
Have your nieces to walk you through this.

verbaluce on June 12, 2014 at 12:15 PM

So far, you are in the lead on false analogies.
But there will be competition.

verbaluce on June 12, 2014 at 12:12 PM

When people think of Al-Queda, they only think about 9/11.

But the media doesn’t show that they do day care, provide donkeys and free Jew hunts for the impoverished.

I mean, come on!

sentinelrules on June 12, 2014 at 12:16 PM

verbaluce on June 12, 2014 at 11:51 AM

“If it saves just one life” right idiot?

Eeesh you leftist, baby killing, sexually deviant troglodytes are unhinged.

jawkneemusic on June 12, 2014 at 12:16 PM

Stupid.
Think you can make a point with using the mockery of abuse or gays as a lame backdrop?
Maybe you can’t.

verbaluce on June 12, 2014 at 12:11 PM

You’ve been around here long enough trolling threads to know that libfreeordie has intimated several times that his first “encounter” with another man was when he was 15 years old.

It seemed particularly prescient to reference that in a post where he was making excuses for leading 15 year olds into more perverse and lurid kinds of sexual activity.

Then again, you are our resident expert on stupid seeing as you live encumbered by it every day, so maybe you have a point.

BKennedy on June 12, 2014 at 12:16 PM

I have four nieces (ages 17 to 29), and all four are winners. They had far more constructive things to do at age 15 than show up at PP to ask questions about BDSM.

I really feel bad for all three of you.

BuckeyeSam on June 12, 2014 at 12:12 PM

I have two daughters. I doubt they would have even though about BDSM at 15 either.

But this girl did come in and ask for information. So, how would you have handled it?

jim56 on June 12, 2014 at 12:16 PM

Those were good times back then, yes?

Bishop on June 12, 2014 at 12:12 PM

Doesn’t the LA Times have some footage of obozo praising the Palestinians that won’t see the light of day either?

Flange on June 12, 2014 at 12:17 PM

verbaluce on June 12, 2014 at 12:02 PM

Have those people been connected to the Tea Party? I know the Bundy’s said they ran them off their ranch during their dust up with the government.

Cindy Munford on June 12, 2014 at 12:14 PM

I don’t know that they have.
And if they did have an affinity, for sure it wouldn’t reciprocated.

verbaluce on June 12, 2014 at 12:17 PM

That probably applies only if the 21 year old plans to participate in the act.

jim56 on June 12, 2014 at 12:07 PM

\
? How did you get that out of this:

As used in this section, “solicit” means to command, authorize, urge, incite, request, or advise an individual:

I would think “authorizing” or “advising” wouldn’t apply only to hopeful participants.

cptacek on June 12, 2014 at 12:17 PM

Did you know women are supposed to barf or pee on themselves when confronted by a rapist?

Bishop on June 12, 2014 at 11:56 AM

I’m not nor have ever been a rapist, but as a man, there is know way I would have sex with a woman that had just peed or barfed on herself, even if that women was Katy Perry.

Wallythedog on June 12, 2014 at 12:17 PM

It seemed particularly prescient to reference that in a post where he was making excuses for leading 15 year olds into more perverse and lurid kinds of sexual activity.

BKennedy on June 12, 2014 at 12:16 PM

I didn’t agree with his point –
but he wasn’t suggesting or advocating that.

verbaluce on June 12, 2014 at 12:20 PM

They rejected the idea that this is a normal PP counseling session

I have a feeling that recordings from multiple other PP locations are going to be released by Live Action, showing that this counseling session IS normal for PP…

ITguy on June 12, 2014 at 12:20 PM

verbaluce on June 12, 2014 at 11:51 AM

“If it saves just one life” right idiot?

Eeesh you leftist, baby killing, sexually deviant troglodytes are unhinged.

jawkneemusic on June 12, 2014 at 12:16 PM

Oh, ‘unhinged’.
As opposed to your calm and substantive rhetoric?
Ha.
Perfect.

verbaluce on June 12, 2014 at 12:23 PM

libfreeordie on June 12, 2014 at 11:38 AM

I find your diatribe on what constitutes normal sexual behavior absolutely hilarious considering who and what you are. When you were outed a while back and your pictures were posted it was readily apparent how sick and twisted you are. You should be embarrassed to even come here really.

HotAirian on June 12, 2014 at 12:23 PM

I think verbaluce is just jealous.

When she was young and visited PP, all they did was killing babies.

Now they provide information about sexual asphyxiation to minors!

sentinelrules on June 12, 2014 at 12:23 PM

Remember when all the trolls wouldn’t come out from under their rocks during the VA scandal? Good times, good times!!

Deano1952 on June 12, 2014 at 12:24 PM

I’ve got it…verby and jim must be on PP’s board of directors!

22044 on June 12, 2014 at 12:25 PM

libfreeordie on June 12, 2014 at 11:38 AM

I find your diatribe on what constitutes normal sexual behavior absolutely hilarious considering who and what you are. When you were outed a while back and your pictures were posted it was readily apparent how sick and twisted you are. You should be embarrassed to even come here really.

HotAirian on June 12, 2014 at 12:23 PM

I’d say you’re not capable of being embarrassed by what you write.
Also, that sex stuff you do…with your, you now…don’t you find it odd?

verbaluce on June 12, 2014 at 12:26 PM

I think verbaluce is just jealous.

When she was young and visited PP, all they did was killing babies.

Now they provide information about sexual asphyxiation to minors!

sentinelrules on June 12, 2014 at 12:23 PM

Hmmm. Interesting. Ghouls like verby certainly can’t satisfy their appetites.

22044 on June 12, 2014 at 12:27 PM

There’s language in the act that indicates one of the two parties have to be “involved” (see below). There’s also language that says the state doesn’t have to prove the solicitation occurred at an “immediate” time.

…..

Sec. 6. (a) As used in this section, “solicit” means to command, authorize, urge, incite, request, or advise an individual:
(1) in person;
(2) by telephone;
(3) in writing;
(4) by using a computer network (as defined in IC 35-43-2-3(a));
(5) by advertisement of any kind; or
(6) by any other means;
to perform an act described in subsection (b) or (c).
(b) A person eighteen (18) years of age or older who knowingly or intentionally solicits a child under fourteen (14) years of age, or an individual the person believes to be a child under fourteen (14) years of age, to engage in:
(1) sexual intercourse;
(2) deviate sexual conduct; or
(3) any fondling or touching intended to arouse or satisfy the sexual desires of either the child or the older person;
commits child solicitation, a Class D felony. However, the offense is a Class C felony if it is committed by using a computer network (as defined in IC 35-43-2-3(a)), and a Class B felony if the person commits the offense by using a computer network (as defined in

IC 35-43-2-3(a)) and has a previous unrelated conviction for committing the offense by using a computer network (as defined in IC 35-43-2-3(a)).
(c) A person at least twenty-one (21) years of age who knowingly or intentionally solicits a child at least fourteen (14) years of age but less than sixteen (16) years of age, or an individual the person believes to be a child at least fourteen (14) years of age but less than sixteen (16) years of age, to engage in:
(1) sexual intercourse;
(2) deviate sexual conduct; or
(3) any fondling or touching intended to arouse or satisfy the sexual desires of either the child or the older person;
commits child solicitation, a Class D felony. However, the offense is a Class C felony if it is committed by using a computer network (as defined in IC 35-43-2-3(a)), and a Class B felony if the person commits the offense by using a computer network (as defined in IC 35-43-2-3(a)) and has a previous unrelated conviction for committing the offense by using a computer network (as defined in IC 35-43-2-3(a)).
(d) In a prosecution under this section, including a prosecution for attempted solicitation, the state is not required to prove that the person solicited the child to engage in an act described in subsection (b) or (c) at some immediate time.
As added by P.L.183-1984, SEC.5. Amended by P.L.11-1994, SEC.16; P.L.79-1994, SEC.14; P.L.216-1996, SEC.20; P.L.118-2002, SEC.2; P.L.124-2005, SEC.1; P.L.216-2007, SEC.44.

jim56 on June 12, 2014 at 12:27 PM

I find your diatribe on what constitutes normal sexual behavior absolutely hilarious considering who and what you are. When you were outed a while back and your pictures were posted it was readily apparent how sick and twisted you are. You should be embarrassed to even come here really.

HotAirian on June 12, 2014 at 12:23 PM

I missed that day, pretty bad were they?

dmacleo on June 12, 2014 at 12:28 PM

Oops, cptacek on June 12, 2014 at 12:17 PM, the comment above was for you.

jim56 on June 12, 2014 at 12:28 PM

This is indeed stupid, but not for the reasons you state.
Regardless of the set-up or the baiting, this ‘counselors’ comments and advice were wholly inappropriate and wrong. She was rightly fired. And this is indeed an isolated incident which offers absolutely no insight whatsoever on PP or the people who work there.
It’s telling that Lila has to peddle absurd stuff like this.
But it’s showtime at Live Action…bring on the clowns.

verbaluce on June 12, 2014 at 11:58 AM

What is PP’s sexual education policy? Because until you can factually establish you can not claim what you claim above. From Ed’s post quoting Lila Rose:

You’re seeing step one of the Planned Parenthood damage control handbook: the token firing. It’s always a little strange, because Planned Parenthood tries to have it both ways: they announce terminating the employee for violating “professional standards” but never specify what those standards are. Meanwhile, their BDSM training video remains online, and they continue to list “resources” that tell kids that torture sex is totally fine. So what exactly did the staffer in our video do to bring the wrath of Planned Parenthood down on her?

NotCoach on June 12, 2014 at 12:29 PM

This is so stupid.

libfreeordie on June 12, 2014 at 11:38 AM

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Yeah, it is … but you’re going to say it, anyhow.
.

Any 15 year old can learn the exact same things on the internet. It seems the social conservatives are concerned about what happens in the verbal transmission?

libfreeordie on June 12, 2014 at 11:38 AM

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We’re PISSED OFF to find out that our tax dollars are subsidizing this sorry excuse for “sex education”.
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But more to the point. BDSM isn’t “wild,” it’s pretty mainstream. When you put a silly blindfold on your spouse, you’re engaging in BDSM, because you’re playing off the vulnerability of the blindfolded and the increased power of the one who has sight. So watch out you freaky kinksters.

libfreeordie on June 12, 2014 at 11:38 AM

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WE DON’T CARE WHAT MARRIED COUPLES DO BEHIND CLOSED DOORS, as long as it’s mutually consensual, and they aren’t maiming, or killing one another.
.

And most importantly, two 15 year olds playing at blindfolding or being tied up are not necessarily engaging in sexual intercourse.

libfreeordie on June 12, 2014 at 11:38 AM

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The Live Action “poser” was at a PP clinic on the (false) pretense and expressed purpose of sex counseling.

Or did I miss something?
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Given that a lot of BDSM is, to quote Dan Savage “cops and robbers for adults” the “play” aspect of it, might be a way of steering teens towards a sexual future where they pursue what is fun, rather than acts they think will make them into “real men” or “real women.”

libfreeordie on June 12, 2014 at 11:38 AM

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Kids shouldn’t be “learning” anything about sex from anyone except their parents, or parental approved third-party, until they are actual adults.
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But proceed to now accuse me of being a predator or something.

libfreeordie on June 12, 2014 at 11:38 AM

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I see a lot of signs that would indicate you’re a “hedonistic, anything goes, atheist”, but not anything that particularly appears as a ‘warning sign’ of you being a “sexual predator.”
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My take.

listens2glenn on June 12, 2014 at 12:31 PM

BDSM is a form of thrill-seeking behavior. It’s really more about this than it is about sex, although a very animalistic form of sexual gratification is definitely involved.

It’s enticing, appealing, alluring….in other words, your basic form of temptation to mankind. (As in it is a character builder to exercise prudence and guard against these temptations, overcome them, resist them, etc.)

It has a darker side that is depraved, where much damage can be done to the heart, mind, and spirit of those who engage in BDSM. Not to mention the physical risks.

Even the best of people can lose self-control over their desires when they are pushing the limits of achieving an even higher level of thrill.

It’s demeaning and demoralizing to all involved, because it reduces both parties to nothing more than a means to an end in achieving the “rush” they are lusting after.

The counselor had no business telling this girl it was “okay”.

lineholder on June 12, 2014 at 12:33 PM

The counselor had no business telling this girl it was “okay”.

lineholder on June 12, 2014 at 12:33 PM

The issue isn’t with the counselor, but the whole rotten organization that openly peddles this crap.

NotCoach on June 12, 2014 at 12:35 PM

NotCoach on June 12, 2014 at 12:35 PM

Using our tax dollars.

NotCoach on June 12, 2014 at 12:35 PM

libfreeordie on June 12, 2014 at 11:38 AM

Just admit it libfreeordie.

Your homosexual partner abused you at a young and vulnerable age. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO DEFEND HIM OR HIS ACTIONS.

What he did was WRONG. Do not enable more people to be hurt.

What happened to you was debasing and marginalizing, not empowering.

BKennedy on June 12, 2014 at 12:04 PM

Libby has to learn that the first step in healing is to forgive those that abused you.

slickwillie2001 on June 12, 2014 at 12:35 PM

It’s interesting to me that any discussion of PP immediately fires-up the abusive name calling by some of you.

When you do that, not only have you immediately lost any debate, more than half of the readers just skip to the next post.

Chill, people.

Tard on June 12, 2014 at 12:38 PM

NotCoach on June 12, 2014 at 12:35 PM

Oh, I agree with you wholeheartedly, NotCoach.

But there are several people on this thread who are promoting the idea that BDSM is “okay”. I was attempting to refute that analysis.

lineholder on June 12, 2014 at 12:38 PM

NotCoach on June 12, 2014 at 12:29 PM

Lila is free to make an argument against the the video and resources.
That would be challenging something that is produced by and supported by the organization. Asking PP to defend or explain that is reasonable.
But this video sting tricks…it asks them to defend random b.s.
And in fact in this case they don’t – and the staffer was fired.

verbaluce on June 12, 2014 at 12:40 PM

This is so stupid. Any 15 year old can learn the exact same things on the internet. It seems the social conservatives are concerned about what happens in the verbal transmission?

At govt expense, a minor is being introduced to kinky sex. Ok!

But more to the point. BDSM isn’t “wild,” it’s pretty mainstream. libfreeordie on June 12, 2014 at 11:38 AM

Sort of a Pauline Kale moment for you I think.

Akzed on June 12, 2014 at 12:41 PM

It’s interesting to me that any discussion of PP immediately fires-up the abusive name calling by some of you.

When you do that, not only have you immediately lost any debate, more than half of the readers just skip to the next post.

Chill, people.

Tard on June 12, 2014 at 12:38 PM

Save the lecture for the true miscreanty that is PP – and understand that its defenders deserve no respect.

22044 on June 12, 2014 at 12:41 PM

verbaluce on June 12, 2014 at 12:40 PM

It’s not random.

22044 on June 12, 2014 at 12:42 PM

And the library also probably has books on this topic in addition to Fifty Shades of Grey.

jim56 on June 12, 2014 at 11:57 AM

Which just goes to show you how mainstream BDSM is. Indeed, women especially enjoy playing these sex games. The issue, of course, is that (1) PP should not be counseling 15 year old girls about its pleasures and (2) this counselling is being done with taxpayer dollars, which makes it especially galling. Further, what is ironic is that if any girl ending up regretting participating in these PP counseled games, her partner — no matter what his age — would likely end up in jail with a life-long sexual predator stigma attached. So, the advice is very very poor advice. PP should have its doors closed — permanently. If they are not an evil organization, I don’t know what is.

Poor libfreeordie forgot to keep these points in mind when he made his otherwise valid point. Can you imagine your 15 year-old daughter getting this advice from strangers, libfree?

Nomennovum on June 12, 2014 at 12:43 PM

I thought we stopped funding this group of abortion providers.

Old Country Boy on June 12, 2014 at 12:44 PM

But this video sting tricks…it asks them to defend random b.s.
And in fact in this case they don’t – and the staffer was fired.

verbaluce on June 12, 2014 at 12:40 PM

And I thought the owner of California Chrome was the biggest whiner on the planet.

sentinelrules on June 12, 2014 at 12:44 PM

Kids shouldn’t be “learning” anything about sex from anyone except their parents, or parental approved third-party, until they are actual adults.
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My take.

listens2glenn on June 12, 2014 at 12:31 PM

Even the best of people can lose self-control over their desires when they are pushing the limits of achieving an even higher level of thrill.

It’s demeaning and demoralizing to all involved, because it reduces both parties to nothing more than a means to an end in achieving the “rush” they are lusting after.

The counselor had no business telling this girl it was “okay”.

lineholder on June 12, 2014 at 12:33 PM

Your point about the tax dollars is a good one, but Planned Parenthood only gets Medicaid dollars in Indiana and there’s no evidence those were involved in this situation.

How would you stop teenagers from otherwise learning about sex education, glenn?

And lineholder, the girl did not go to a church or abortion alternatives center. She went to PP for advice.

jim56 on June 12, 2014 at 12:44 PM

Tard on June 12, 2014 at 12:38 PM

Really, all they’re trying to do is provide future victims for their abortion racket by corrupting our youth into sex obsessed monsters. Why should that upset anyone?

Akzed on June 12, 2014 at 12:44 PM

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