CNN reduces school gun violence by 80%

posted at 8:34 am on June 12, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

Well, not really, but what CNN did do was determine that 80% of the claim made by Michael Bloomberg’s anti-gun group is bogus. Erika noted yesterday that other analyses show that it’s more like 90%, but give credit where it’s due. CNN decided to do what most media outlets skipped, and looked at the actual data:

So on Wednesday, CNN took a closer look at the list, delving into the circumstances of each incident Everytown included.

Everytown says on its web site that it gleans its information from media reports and that its list includes school shootings involving a firearm discharged inside or on school grounds, including assaults, homicides, suicides and accidental shootings.

CNN determined that 15 of the incidents Everytown included were situations similar to the violence in Oregon — a minor or adult actively shooting inside or near a school. That works out to about one shooting every five weeks.

Some of the other incidents on Everytown’s list included personal arguments, accidents and alleged gang activities and drug deals.

While 15 school shootings is still 15 too many, it’s a far cry from Everytown’s claim of 74. Those were violent incidents as well, but they had other causes and weren’t the kind of mass shootings seen at Sandy Hook. Furthermore, the Santa Barbara massacre was not just a shooting either, and didn’t all take place in a school.

Everytown wants to blur lines and reduce all causes to the presence of firearms, but the Santa Barbara massacre is actually proof that the guns aren’t the cause. Their argument also neglects to mention that firearm violence has been decreasing over the last several years (especially since the end of the so-called assault weapons ban), and that mass shootings are very rare, even if they get tons of media attention for obvious reasons.

How can we prevent more of these incidents? The true connecting factor for most of these is mental illness, and we need some proposals for protecting society from the potentially dangerous among us no matter what weapons they access. Restricting weapons from law-abiding citizens won’t keep people like the Santa Barbara killer from committing multiple murders, and gaming stats to create hysteria as Bloomberg does only distracts from the real issues, and delays any work toward sensible and applicable solutions.


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An armed populace is the most effective tool for reducing violence, period.

NotCoach on June 12, 2014 at 8:36 AM

Just finished watching Lone Survivor.

Completely jacked.

Yowsaw.

Hi, Ed.

I’m sorry. What’s going on?

thejackal on June 12, 2014 at 8:39 AM

NotCoach on June 12, 2014 at 8:36 AM

I agree.

I’m amazed that CNN even partially corrected the propaganda.

BTW that screenshot shows Alert with two ‘R’s. The dumbing down progresses.

dogsoldier on June 12, 2014 at 8:40 AM

@ jackal

Heh — we’re discussing an observation of the cultural damage that caa be done when those who are diametriclaly opposed to the principles espoused in Lone Survivor get a hold of a TV camera, a microphone, and a bunch of falsified data …
:-)

ABreitbart on June 12, 2014 at 8:43 AM

can be done

/d’oh

ABreitbart on June 12, 2014 at 8:43 AM

oh, and …

diametrically

/sigh

ABreitbart on June 12, 2014 at 8:44 AM

Map that.

Bmore on June 12, 2014 at 8:45 AM

How can we prevent more of these incidents? The true connecting factor for most of these is mental illness, and we need some proposals for protecting society from the potentially dangerous among us no matter what weapons they access.

While I don’t disagree with this sentiment in principle, imagine how an unscrupulous agency or administration could use this broad assertion to deny gun ownership to law-abiding individuals with no real mental health issues (i.e., if you have conservative politics, that must me a sign of mental illness, if you support TEA party reform, you’re mentally incapable of owning a weapon, etc.).

TxHotGas on June 12, 2014 at 8:47 AM

Old Hotness: Is Water Wet?
New Hotness: Do Liberals Lie?

Tlaloc hardest hit.

HumpBot Salvation on June 12, 2014 at 8:48 AM

@ Tx

yeah, the potential for evil misuse is sort of staggering
[!]

ABreitbart on June 12, 2014 at 8:48 AM

Remember, folks, Bloomberg spent 50 million dollars (pinky finger to corner of mouth) to lie and demagogue (those are called sins) his way into Heaven, shoving Jesus out of the way and proclaiming his right to entry into Heaven by his (sinful) works.

John Hitchcock on June 12, 2014 at 8:49 AM

Dog soldier-

ALERRT= Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training

Happy Nomad on June 12, 2014 at 8:56 AM

Almost every school is a gun-free zone, right?

Just wondering…how exactly do ANY shootings occur when the signs clearly state “NO GUNS ALLOWED!” Are the signs not large enough?

Bishop on June 12, 2014 at 8:56 AM

Almost every school is a gun-free zone, right?

Just wondering…how exactly do ANY shootings occur when the signs clearly state “NO GUNS ALLOWED!” Are the signs not large enough?

Bishop on June 12, 2014 at 8:56 AM

The signs probably are microaggressions themselves because they aren’t uniformly bilingual.

NotCoach on June 12, 2014 at 8:59 AM

“ALERRT” to CNN viewers:

Watching CNN can cause serious damage to your cognitive abilities.

AZCoyote on June 12, 2014 at 9:00 AM

Almost every school is a gun-free zone, right?

Just wondering…how exactly do ANY shootings occur when the signs clearly state “NO GUNS ALLOWED!” Are the signs not large enough?

Bishop on June 12, 2014 at 8:56 AM

The signs probably are microaggressions themselves because they aren’t uniformly bilingual.

NotCoach on June 12, 2014 at 8:59 AM

Dare I say, these comments are bang on.

doufree on June 12, 2014 at 9:01 AM

The signs probably are microaggressions themselves because they aren’t uniformly bilingual.

NotCoach on June 12, 2014 at 8:59 AM

Bilingual? That’s raaaaacist. Are English and Spanish speakers the only people who matter? The signs should obviously be multi-lingual.

After all, diversity is our greatest strength. All the lefties say so.

AZCoyote on June 12, 2014 at 9:03 AM

How often do cop bars gets robbed? Gun stores? Gun shows?

Why…it’s almost as if schools are seen as soft targets or something.

Bishop on June 12, 2014 at 9:04 AM

Trading America’s Enemies for a deserter, tens of thousands of illegal aliens freely crossing our border, ramping up the gun confiscation push again…there’s something awfuwwy scwewy goin’ on awound heah.

kingsjester on June 12, 2014 at 9:06 AM

Everytown’s propaganda is so bad that not even CNN can use it? That’s beyond bad.

Everytown says on its web site that it gleans its information from media report

So they use wildly inaccurate statements from breathless local news reporters who are hoping to gain a name for themselves rather than calm, studied, impartial statisticians. Everytown is at best a joke, but more likely a Reichstag fire level propagandist.

rbj on June 12, 2014 at 9:07 AM

Polylingual would be acceptable as well. Very, very big signs. Maybe billboard size polylingual gun free signs.

Bmore on June 12, 2014 at 9:07 AM

Almost every school is a gun-free zone, right?

Just wondering…how exactly do ANY shootings occur when the signs clearly state “NO GUNS ALLOWED!” Are the signs not large enough?

Bishop on June 12, 2014 at 8:56 AM

The signs probably are microaggressions themselves because they aren’t uniformly bilingual.

NotCoach on June 12, 2014 at 8:59 AM

No, no, the signs are all posted on public school grounds where no one can read.

Oldnuke on June 12, 2014 at 9:09 AM

Tlaloc hardest hit.

HumpBot Salvation on June 12, 2014 at 8:48 AM

Indeed. And his sock-puppet master Bloomberg.

Ricard on June 12, 2014 at 9:09 AM

Bilingual? That’s raaaaacist. Are English and Spanish speakers the only people who matter? The signs should obviously be multi-lingual.

After all, diversity is our greatest strength. All the lefties say so.

AZCoyote on June 12, 2014 at 9:03 AM

Your post is clearly racist. Why would you even think that English would be one of the languages. After all English is a “White” language you bigot.

Oldnuke on June 12, 2014 at 9:11 AM

Trading America’s Enemies for a deserter, tens of thousands of illegal aliens freely crossing our border, ramping up the gun confiscation push again…there’s something awfuwwy scwewy goin’ on awound heah.

kingsjester on June 12, 2014 at 9:06 AM

Yeah, it’s 0bama’s Scorched Earth Policy. He’s only president for two more years (barring even more lawlessness from this regime), and his party’s about to get their @$$ handed to them in November.

CurtZHP on June 12, 2014 at 9:13 AM

but give credit where it’s due. CNN decided to do what most media outlets skipped, and looked at the actual data:
===============================================

And CNN got away with this, I demand that Obama fire his
Czar, of The State Propaganda Ministy, for failure to enforce
MSM’S NO FACT PATTERNING of the Hopey/Changey Administration!!
(sarc)

canopfor on June 12, 2014 at 9:15 AM

CurtZHP on June 12, 2014 at 9:13 AM

Obama’s a Bolshevik.

kingsjester on June 12, 2014 at 9:15 AM

How often do cop bars gets robbed? Gun stores? Gun shows?

Why…it’s almost as if schools are seen as soft targets or something.

Bishop on June 12, 2014 at 9:04 AM

Bishop: And Gun-Ranges:)

canopfor on June 12, 2014 at 9:16 AM

Related to the screenshot on the main page for this article. Does the second R in Alert make it extra special?

PJ Emeritus on June 12, 2014 at 9:22 AM

Guess it could be meaning the gun training folks, but no attribution

PJ Emeritus on June 12, 2014 at 9:23 AM

Hey Bmore, I stole your chart to suggest a change to the Second Amendment. Do you like?

John Hitchcock on June 12, 2014 at 9:24 AM

thejackal on June 12, 2014 at 8:39 AM

I feel the same about Captain Phillps movie. Favorite line: “The Navy is not here to negotiate with you.”

PJ Emeritus on June 12, 2014 at 9:25 AM

canopfor on June 12, 2014 at 9:16 AM

A coworker committed suicide at a range a few years back. For Everytown I’m sure that counts.

NotCoach on June 12, 2014 at 9:25 AM

Hey Bmore, I stole your chart to suggest a change to the Second Amendment. Do you like?

John Hitchcock on June 12, 2014 at 9:24 AM

John Hitchcock: That, is Priceless:)

canopfor on June 12, 2014 at 9:27 AM

I feel the same about Captain Phillps movie. Favorite line: “The Navy is not here to negotiate with you.”

PJ Emeritus on June 12, 2014 at 9:25 AM

Is your daughter single?

NotCoach on June 12, 2014 at 9:27 AM

CNN thought it had problems. Then it hired Jeff Zucker and discovered what problems really are.

bw222 on June 12, 2014 at 9:28 AM

I feel the same about Captain Phillps movie. Favorite line: “The Navy is not here to negotiate with you.”

PJ Emeritus on June 12, 2014 at 9:25 AM

Is your daughter single?

NotCoach on June 12, 2014 at 9:27 AM

Oops, wrong person.

Hey Bmore, I stole your chart to suggest a change to the Second Amendment. Do you like?

John Hitchcock on June 12, 2014 at 9:24 AM

Is your daughter single?

NotCoach on June 12, 2014 at 9:28 AM

canopfor on June 12, 2014 at 9:16 AM

A coworker committed suicide at a range a few years back. For Everytown I’m sure that counts.

NotCoach on June 12, 2014 at 9:25 AM

NotCoach: Was a robbery in progress, during that ordeal!

[How often do cop bars gets robbed? Gun stores? Gun shows?]

canopfor on June 12, 2014 at 9:29 AM

NotCoach: Was a robbery in progress, during that ordeal!

[How often do cop bars gets robbed? Gun stores? Gun shows?]

canopfor on June 12, 2014 at 9:29 AM

Not that I’m aware of, but I’m just using the Everytown standard.

NotCoach on June 12, 2014 at 9:31 AM

Depends on how you define “single” NotCoach. She doesn’t have a ring on her finger, but then again, the man she’s with might not approve of competition. ;)

John Hitchcock on June 12, 2014 at 9:32 AM

Depends on how you define “single” NotCoach. She doesn’t have a ring on her finger, but then again, the man she’s with might not approve of competition. ;)

John Hitchcock on June 12, 2014 at 9:32 AM

:P

NotCoach on June 12, 2014 at 9:33 AM

canopfor on June 12, 2014 at 9:29 AM

Not that I’m aware of, but I’m just using the Everytown standard.

NotCoach on June 12, 2014 at 9:31 AM

NotCoach: Oh!

canopfor on June 12, 2014 at 9:34 AM

Alerrrrt? I thought talk like a pirate day was celebrated on Sept 19.

AltTuning on June 12, 2014 at 9:37 AM

The true connecting factor for most of these is mental illness,

Not mental illness, really, but the psychiatric drugs given to combat alleged mental illness.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 12, 2014 at 9:42 AM

Bloomy, the lying liar just keeps on lying. He’s so consistent that taking the opposite tack from his nose extenders leads directly to the truth.

vnvet on June 12, 2014 at 9:52 AM

U.S.gun homicides have declined 49% since 1993. I’m waiting for the media to report this:

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/

Noonan on June 12, 2014 at 10:00 AM

Tlaloc hardest hit.

HumpBot Salvation on June 12, 2014 at 8:48 AM

+1

Can’t wait for Tlaloc to chime in while ignoring all the facts as Ed has laid them out.

Then dodge the obvious problems with all of his/her statements.

I really enjoyed it last night – rifles are en masse murder machines while pistols are only small scale murder machines (I guess Tlaloc is ok with small scale murders but not en masse). And then when asked about a particular handgun with more ammo capacity than a rifle (“assault rifle”) he just dodged the question and called me an idiot. Classic.

gwelf on June 12, 2014 at 10:12 AM

Your post is clearly racist. Why would you even think that English would be one of the languages. After all English is a “White” language you bigot.

Oldnuke on June 12, 2014 at 9:11 AM

I denounce myself.

Where do I check my white privilege, for thinking that a sign in the U.S. might be written in English?

AZCoyote on June 12, 2014 at 10:13 AM

The signs probably are microaggressions themselves because they aren’t uniformly bilingual.

NotCoach on June 12, 2014 at 8:59 AM

Wouldn’t bilingual effectively be a microagression against all the people who speak neither language?

Maybe the problem is that we don’t have them in all the languages, Esperanto and Klingon included.

Actually it makes sense that it only has a white European language, because we’re the only ones that kill people.

Axeman on June 12, 2014 at 10:19 AM

Dog soldier-

ALERRT= Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training

Happy Nomad on June 12, 2014 at 8:56 AM

ALERRT= Airhead Leftist Editing Really Really Terrible

earlgrey on June 12, 2014 at 10:28 AM

How often do cop bars gets robbed?

Bishop on June 12, 2014 at 9:04 AM

Yeah, about that

Newtie and the Beauty on June 12, 2014 at 10:29 AM

CNN decided to do what most media outlets skipped, and looked at the actual data

Maybe so, but I’m still not going to watch their 99.99% leftist spew.

earlgrey on June 12, 2014 at 10:30 AM

Map that.

Bmore on June 12, 2014 at 8:45 AM

#SaveOurChirrunByDisarmingDemocrats

Dolce Far Niente on June 12, 2014 at 10:30 AM

“Honesty” and Mike Bloomberg are mutually exclusive terms.

GarandFan on June 12, 2014 at 10:50 AM

CNN reduced it? Yeah, TWO DAYS AFTER @chuckcjohnson did it…

originalpechanga on June 12, 2014 at 10:55 AM

An armed populace is the most effective tool for reducing violence, period.

NotCoach on June 12, 2014 at 8:36 AM

.
I agree.

I’m amazed that CNN even partially corrected the propaganda.

BTW that screenshot shows Alert with two ‘R’s. The dumbing down progresses.

dogsoldier on June 12, 2014 at 8:40 AM

.
I hope I’ve made it sufficiently crystal clear, that I’m all for an armed citizenry in the U.S.

I hope I’ve made it sufficiently crystal clear, that I believe the Founders included the Second Amendment specically for the purpose of keeping our government from become our “shepherds”. That means civilians being armed, with weapons equal to the government.
.
B U T . . . . . . . . . . . . (you knew that was coming, right?) . . . . . .
.
.
. . . . . without a recognition of God, it won’t matter how well armed the American civilian population is.

listens2glenn on June 12, 2014 at 10:56 AM

A coworker committed suicide at a range a few years back. For Everytown I’m sure that counts.

NotCoach on June 12, 2014 at 9:25 AM

Well, a shooting range is really a school for shooting guns, so, -yeah.

slickwillie2001 on June 12, 2014 at 11:33 AM

How often do cop bars gets robbed? Gun stores? Gun shows?

Why…it’s almost as if schools are seen as soft targets or something.

Bishop on June 12, 2014 at 9:04 AM

Shooting up an empty school qualifies as a “school shooting” to Everytown.

The “soft targets” — the goal of the mentally-disturbed such as the Sandy Hook shooter– are the ones inside.

Alien on June 12, 2014 at 11:54 AM

Yeah, about that…

Newtie and the Beauty on June 12, 2014 at 10:29 AM

LOL – your response is a MOVIE?!?

GWB on June 12, 2014 at 12:17 PM

Ed asks:

How can we prevent more of these incidents?

Then he fails to include in his answer what most conservatives believe: Allow law abiding people to be prepared to defend themselves and others by enforcing the constitutional right to bear arms.

Basic pro-gun wisdom is self-censored at Hot Air? Are you kidding?

Alec on June 12, 2014 at 1:12 PM

From Erika’s thread:

You can add ammo capacity to the list of things I am not going to patiently explain to you, especially since you just admitted that you don’t understand > and <.

Tlaloc on June 11, 2014 at 8:08 PM

Attend a target shooting competition some time, and see just how fast those magazines can be changed out, and you’ll realize how stupid this is.

JannyMae on June 12, 2014 at 1:26 PM

I though Truman Capote had passed away. But there he is on that video.

applebutter on June 12, 2014 at 2:10 PM

How can we prevent more of these incidents?

Do away with dangerous “gun free zones”.

applebutter on June 12, 2014 at 2:12 PM

How often do cop bars gets robbed? Gun stores? Gun shows?
Bishop on June 12, 2014 at 9:04 AM

Wellll – there was that one Darwin Award winner in western Washington state who walked around the police car parked at the front door of a gun and leather store, and up to the owner and cop who were having coffee by the register to announce the robbery.
It did not end well for him – well, except for winning a Darwin Award….

dentarthurdent on June 12, 2014 at 3:10 PM

And, it turns out the latest “school shooting” was ended by a good guy with a gun…
http://bearingarms.com/heroic-school-resource-officers-harris-thompson-stopped-reynolds-h-s-attacker-mainstream-media-chooses-ignore/

dentarthurdent on June 12, 2014 at 3:12 PM

dentarthurdent on June 12, 2014 at 3:12 PM

Yes, the only thing that stopped this so early was the fact that the police weren’t mere minutes away – they were there in under a minute. Imagine if the first teacher had been armed? Lockdown? Why would we need a lockdown?

GWB on June 12, 2014 at 4:38 PM