Will Cantor’s defeat kill immigration reform in the House?

posted at 9:01 am on June 11, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

That question implies that it was still alive, of course, but Republican leadership kept mentioning it as a possibility — although not on the terms of the Senate package passed last year, which will die at the end of this session without House action. Allahpundit suggested that John Boehner might choose to retire with Eric Cantor’s defeat and push an immigration-reform package this year, relying on House Democrats to do most of the heavy lifting to get it passed, along with a handful of like-minded Republicans. That, however, would turn a likely GOP wave election into at least a muddle, and certainly a blown opportunity — especially since, as poll after poll has shown, immigration reform is far down the list of voter priorities, even among the Hispanic voters this will supposedly woo to the GOP.

Politico’s Seung Min Kim makes the easy call that this will kill immigration reform for this session:

Immigration reform is almost certainly dead on Capitol Hill this year.

Many top sources close to the issue privately acknowledged after House Majority Leader Eric Cantor’s shocking defeat Tuesday night that the already uphill battle for immigration reform was dealt the knockout blow.

Coming off President Barack Obama’s re-election, immigration reform was seen as an issue both parties could deal with quickly. Democrats wanted to deliver on promises made to their Latino backers and Republicans wanted to get the issue off the table to avoid reliving the electoral demographic nightmare of 2012.

But House GOP leaders have long said they wouldn’t bring up the Gang of Eight bill the Senate passed last year, and Cantor’s embrace of even piecemeal proposals was derided by opponent Dave Brat and tea party activists as “amnesty” for undocumented immigrants.

It’s not really that complicated. Immigration reform is simply too hot an issue to handle in an election year, and especially in the final months before a general election. If Republicans were heading toward an obvious defeat anyway, they might be tempted to bite the bullet and endure the pain all at once. Heading toward what appears to be a wave election in their favor, they have no particular reason to address this issue now. Better to wait until 2015 and look for a way to compromise with Democrats without giving away the store, especially on border security.

The only pressure to do otherwise is coming from the White House, which threatens executive action precisely at a time when the American public — and especially the Republican base — is growing angry over such actions from Barack Obama:

Tuesday’s result is also likely to raise pressure from the left on Obama to use executive authority to act on deportations. The White House said recently that Obama had asked for a delay of his administration’s deportation review until the end of the summer – in an effort to give House Republicans space to act on a legislative overhaul.

The last such executive action — the Taliban 5 swap — just blew up in Obama’s face, at least politically speaking. Even Democrats are beginning to wonder about the separation of powers and co-equal branches these days. Obama can try his hand with more such high-handed options, but he’s not going to win his party any more votes in the midterms, and he may end up doing damage to its prospects in 2016.

Democrats are trying persuasion for now, claiming that immigration wasn’t the reason that Cantor lost his primary:

Democrats are making the case that it was Cantor himself – not immigration – that dealt a powerful blow to the one-time rising Republican star’s political career. And they are releasing new data on Wednesday to back up their argument.

About 72 percent of registered voters in Cantor’s district polled on Tuesday said they either “strongly” or “somewhat” support immigration reform that would secure the borders, block employers from hiring those here illegally, and allow undocumented residents without criminal backgrounds to gain legal status – three key tenets of an overhaul, according to a poll by the left-leaning firm Public Policy Polling and commissioned by the liberal advocacy group Americans United for Change.

Looking just at Republicans in Cantor’s district, the poll found that 70 percent of GOP registered voters would support such a plan, while 27 percent would oppose.

Meanwhile, Cantor was deeply unpopular in his district, the PPP poll found. About 63 percent of those surveyed in his district said they did not approve of the job Cantor has been doing, with 30 percent of registered voters approving. Among Republicans, 43 percent approved of Cantor’s job performance, while 49 percent disapproved, the survey found.

“Cantor didn’t lose because of immigration,” pollster Tom Jensen wrote in the memo obtained in advance by POLITICO. “He lost because of the deep unpopularity of both himself personally and of the Republican House leadership. Even in his conservative district voters still want immigration reform passed, and they want it this year.”

Well, they have a funny way of showing it, then. It’s true that immigration wasn’t the only reason Cantor lost, but it’s absurd to think it didn’t play any role. Besides, the issue for most of those opposed to the current immigration proposal isn’t theoretical, but its application with the Obama administration. They don’t trust Obama to “secure the borders” in a verifiable manner before plowing ahead with the rest of the reforms, and worry that this will create yet another flood of illegal immigration and even fewer resources to prevent it. The recent flood of children across the border, after all of the promotion of DREAM Act legislation, provides them some grounds for that worry.

It was that lack of trust in the Obama administration, and the continued insistence on proceeding on the basis of trust, that got Cantor crosswise with the base in the first place. Don’t expect other Republicans to ignore that lesson, especially when they can reset the discussion in January by taking the current Senate deal off the table and hopefully get a stronger bill from a Republican-controlled Senate in January. What’s the point of moving now, anyway?

Immigration reform, at least in its current form, is certainly dead now. And again, I’m not convinced it was ever alive since the New Year.


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In honor of the accompanying pic, I’ll say this to the Tea Party:

Good luck storming the castle!

Occams Stubble on June 11, 2014 at 9:03 AM

“Are you a rotten liar.” – Miracle Max to Eric Cantor

Doughboy on June 11, 2014 at 9:04 AM

There was no chance for “immigration reform” to pass in the House to begin with…

mnjg on June 11, 2014 at 9:05 AM

What does he have to lose now?
I say he goes for the ‘kill’ and gets a job as a lobbyist for the Chamber of Commerce with a golden parachute.

weedisgood on June 11, 2014 at 9:06 AM

No – but it will delay the vote – and reduce the level of the discussion.

Maybe the answer is effectively – YES

jake-the-goose on June 11, 2014 at 9:07 AM

What to do with these “children” coming from South America and who knows where else?

This isn’t about immigration. It’s about Cloward Piven and Barack Obama. Stop him.

Key West Reader on June 11, 2014 at 9:08 AM

There was no chance for “immigration reform” to pass in the House to begin with…

mnjg on June 11, 2014 at 9:05 AM

There was always a chance and there still is….if Boehner just brings the bill to the floor for a vote and allows it to pass with a majority of Dems and a handful of Republicans. It would destroy the GOP(unfortunately the establishment is too blind or stupid to realize this), but bottom line is amnesty would still have passed.

Doughboy on June 11, 2014 at 9:08 AM

It’s not really that complicated. Immigration reform is simply too hot an issue to handle in an election year, and especially in the final months before a general election.

The Republicans should pass an immigration reform bill that ends anchor baby loop holes, evicts illegals, puts a moratorium on new immigration until real unemployment is non existent and there has been some shrinkage in the gap between rich and poor. And then you let the people vote for Republican or Democrat based on whose immigration reform bill you prefer.

Buddahpundit on June 11, 2014 at 9:09 AM

Will Cantor’s defeat kill immigration reform in the House?

It really depends. Something is going to happen soon either way; either it’s going to be rammed through in an act of desperation and revenge or it’s going to be dropped entirely. Right now things look good for us, but don’t discount the GOP acting reacting like a bunch of angry high schoolers either.

If you read Boehner’s comments here, he talks about Cantor’s loss like it was a death in the family: http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/gop-leadership-in-chaos-after-eric-cantor-s-loss-20140610

Doomberg on June 11, 2014 at 9:09 AM

There was no chance for “immigration reform” to pass in the House to begin with…

mnjg on June 11, 2014 at 9:05 AM

Oh yes there WAS.

But not anymore. Thank God.

Key West Reader on June 11, 2014 at 9:09 AM

There was always a chance and there still is….if Boehner just brings the bill to the floor for a vote and allows it to pass with a majority of Dems and a handful of Republicans. It would destroy the GOP(unfortunately the establishment is too blind or stupid to realize this), but bottom line is amnesty would still have passed.

Doughboy on June 11, 2014 at 9:08 AM

OK… Do you who is your god? FEAR…

mnjg on June 11, 2014 at 9:11 AM

Voters in his district want immigration reform????

Hello mcfly?

cmsinaz on June 11, 2014 at 9:11 AM

There was always a chance and there still is….if Boehner just brings the bill to the floor for a vote and allows it to pass with a majority of Dems and a handful of Republicans. It would destroy the GOP(unfortunately the establishment is too blind or stupid to realize this), but bottom line is amnesty would still have passed.

Doughboy on June 11, 2014 at 9:08 AM

OK… Do you know who is your god? FEAR…

mnjg on June 11, 2014 at 9:12 AM

About 72 percent of registered voters in Cantor’s district polled on Tuesday said they either “strongly” or “somewhat” support immigration reform that would secure the borders, block employers from hiring those here illegally, and allow undocumented residents without criminal backgrounds to gain legal status – three key tenets of an overhaul ….

That’s the problem with polling on “immigration reform”: there are some issues that are acceptable to most everyone (the first), some that are unacceptable to many (the last), and some that have mixed support/opposition (the second). Lumping them all together isn’t useful in the least.

Syzygy on June 11, 2014 at 9:12 AM

What’s the point of moving now, anyway?

Spite. GOP operatives would tank the country, the party and even themselves if it meant conservatives never got power again.

nobar on June 11, 2014 at 9:12 AM

Will Cantor’s defeat kill immigration reform in the House?

Only the dumbest of the dumb will even utter the phrase. Amnesty is dead!

cajunpatriot on June 11, 2014 at 9:12 AM

From the US Chamber of Commerce on May 14th, 2014: Poll Finds Tea Party Support for Immigration Reform

Heh.

airupthere on June 11, 2014 at 9:13 AM

No. Amnesty will not die. It will still be pushed by the GOP. They want this.

I don’t understand why. But they want amnesty. I know that a lot of the GOP’s big-money donors want amnesty, but even so, I would think the hostility from the voters would quell it. But no – the GOP, for some unfathomable reason, wants amnesty.

They’ll still push it. What does Boehner have to lose now? Seriously?

Monkeytoe on June 11, 2014 at 9:13 AM

What does he have to lose now?
I say he goes for the ‘kill’ and gets a job as a lobbyist for the Chamber of Commerce with a golden parachute.

weedisgood on June 11, 2014 at 9:06 AM

Does the Chamber of Commerce give out free weed as part of its benefits package?

NotCoach on June 11, 2014 at 9:15 AM

As odd as it sounds to many – the need for “Immigration Reform” may be heightened now.

The current border issue with these children highlights our need for changes to the current asylum process to reduce the inflow of unaccompanied children and unite them with families.

Today we do not have a clear policy or law set to address this. That’s bad.

jake-the-goose on June 11, 2014 at 9:17 AM

If you read Boehner’s comments here, he talks about Cantor’s loss like it was a death in the family: http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/gop-leadership-in-chaos-after-eric-cantor-s-loss-20140610

Doomberg on June 11, 2014 at 9:09 AM

It was a death in the “family”.. the GOP establishment family. I’m rejoicing.

Key West Reader on June 11, 2014 at 9:18 AM

There was always a chance and there still is….if Boehner just brings the bill to the floor for a vote and allows it to pass with a majority of Dems and a handful of Republicans. It would destroy the GOP(unfortunately the establishment is too blind or stupid to realize this), but bottom line is amnesty would still have passed.

Doughboy on June 11, 2014 at 9:08 AM

The problem for the handful or Republicans would be any hopes that they had for a leadership role within their own House caucus in 2015 and beyond would vanish, if they decided the proper reaction to Cantor’s loss was to work ever more with Democrats over the next 6 1/2 months to get immigration reform passed.

They might still be in safe districts, but they’d assure themselves of secondary status in the future by such an in-your-face act of defiance against the rest of the House GOP members. Better for them to back off until 2015 and try to figure out a way to re-brand their plans (which even then won’t work, as long as the guy who’d have to enforce it in the White House is acting like Congress doesn’t matter, and he can make law himself via executive orders).

jon1979 on June 11, 2014 at 9:19 AM

In a blog I wrote titled ” The Failed GOP Strategy of Passive Resistance”, posted on 1/29/2013, I warned the GOP Establishment that

If these Vichy Republicans do not “man up” soon and start “‘resisting” the plans of Obama and his minions to turn the “Shining City on the Hill” into a Third World Barrio, they are going to find themselves out of a job after a Mid-Term Election in 2014, that will make the political bloodbath of 2012 seem like a squirt gun fight.

Do not forget, GOP: You serve at OUR pleasure. Not yours.

However, they did not listen to little ol’ me.

So, Eric Cantor chose, like the rest of the so-called “GOP Moderates”, to push for Amnesty for all of those who have entered and are entering our Sovereign Nation’s Southern Borders illegally, including those involved in the current Mexican Munchkin Migration.

Who will be the next member of the GOP Establishment to lose their cushy job?

kingsjester on June 11, 2014 at 9:19 AM

The current border issue with these children highlights our need for changes to the current asylum process to reduce the inflow of unaccompanied children and unite them with families.

Today we do not have a clear policy or law set to address this. That’s bad.

jake-the-goose on June 11, 2014 at 9:17 AM

Jake? Do THESE men look like children to you?

They look dangerous to me. Call me racist, call me bigot, I don’t care. These are NOT children.

Key West Reader on June 11, 2014 at 9:20 AM

There was always a chance and there still is….if Boehner just brings the bill to the floor for a vote and allows it to pass with a majority of Dems and a handful of Republicans. It would destroy the GOP(unfortunately the establishment is too blind or stupid to realize this), but bottom line is amnesty would still have passed.

Doughboy on June 11, 2014 at 9:08 AM

If Boehner brings any immigration bill to the floor it will pass.
He knows this that’s why he hasn’t even tested the waters.

weedisgood on June 11, 2014 at 9:20 AM

Who will be the next member of the GOP Establishment to lose their cushy job?

kingsjester on June 11, 2014 at 9:19 AM

John Boehner.

Key West Reader on June 11, 2014 at 9:21 AM

Voters in his district want immigration reform????

Hello mcfly?

cmsinaz on June 11, 2014 at 9:11 AM

HotAir really needs up/down votes. ^1

Russ in OR on June 11, 2014 at 9:21 AM

That’s the problem with polling on “immigration reform”: there are some issues that are acceptable to most everyone (the first), some that are unacceptable to many (the last), and some that have mixed support/opposition (the second). Lumping them all together isn’t useful in the least.

Syzygy on June 11, 2014 at 9:12 AM

Ann Coulter has been beating that drum for awhile now.
The poll questions are always skewed like this. Here are some questions referenced in the article on the US Chamber’s website that I linked to above:

OMG the public overwhelmingly supports immigration reform:

69% want Congress to act on immigration reform this year.
73% say they support a plan that includes strengthened border security and provides a way for undocumented immigrants to earn a lawful status.
64% of say they would back a candidate who supports broad immigration reforms over one who supports border security only.

As Ann Coulter has noted, when simple questions are asked the results do not favor allowing illegals to remain in the United States.

“Do you support or oppose deporting the 11 million undocumented immigrants currently living in the U.S.?” 54% support, 42% oppose

That is even the “deportation is the only option” poll, which very few actually have as their true position.

Americans aren’t even really in favor of increased legal immigration:

Do you support an increase or a decrease in the number of legal immigrants? 55% decrease, 28% increase.

airupthere on June 11, 2014 at 9:22 AM

If Boehner brings any immigration bill to the floor it will pass.
He knows this that’s why he hasn’t even tested the waters.

weedisgood on June 11, 2014 at 9:20 AM

It’s true! Weed kills brain cells.

kingsjester on June 11, 2014 at 9:23 AM

Hard to take these “polls” Dems are pointing to to expain away this issue seriously when the “polls” also showed that Cantor had a 32 point lead. A week ago every single pundit, pol and spokesperson was saying the Cantor race and his “margin of victory” would be a clear referendum on immigration reform. Today…uhhh…not so much.

If one reads above it is clear that the the phrase “immigration reform” has no objective meaning. One side supports closing the borders and restricing any further entrance as “immigration reform”. The other side interprets “immigration reforms” as eliminating borders and universal amnesty. Thus, any poll based on the term “immigration reform” is meaningless.

tommyboy on June 11, 2014 at 9:23 AM

Does everybody poop?

libfreeordie on June 11, 2014 at 9:23 AM

Hey, Tennesseans. Is it time to turn our attention to Lamar Alexander?

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/06/11/Cochran-Alexander

BuckeyeSam on June 11, 2014 at 9:24 AM

They look dangerous to me. Call me racist, call me bigot, I don’t care. These are NOT children.

Key West Reader on June 11, 2014 at 9:20 AM

Point taken – you are right – but there are an enormous number of honest low age children – and our system is not prepared to deal with this.

Every hour we work to process these people is an hour off the border security – so the problem gets worse every day.

I don’t want to make this a black white issue – so I will be careful to parse my characterizations.

Massive problem and we need leadership and new tactics to handle this – then we need a strategy. This is form of invasion.

We need to win the Senate.

jake-the-goose on June 11, 2014 at 9:24 AM

They look dangerous to me. Call me racist, call me bigot, I don’t care. These are NOT children.

Key West Reader on June 11, 2014 at 9:20 AM

Ageist!

CurtZHP on June 11, 2014 at 9:26 AM

As odd as it sounds to many – the need for “Immigration Reform” may be heightened now.

The current border issue with these children highlights our need for changes to the current asylum process to reduce the inflow of unaccompanied children and unite them with families.

Today we do not have a clear policy or law set to address this. That’s bad.

jake-the-goose on June 11, 2014 at 9:17 AM

Silly. They can address that without addressing amnesty at all. It is the pro-amnesty side that refuses to allow any “immigration reform” to proceed without giving an amnesty.

it’s dishonest to pretend otherwise.

Monkeytoe on June 11, 2014 at 9:27 AM

Does everybody poop?

libfreeordie on June 11, 2014 at 9:23 AM

I’m pretty sure no one wants to help fuel your masturbatory fantasies. Put down the tissues, and pull up your pants, and answer the following:

Here’s a simple question for you. Which of the founding fathers did not subscribe to the communitarian ethos Calhoun deploys to rationalize slavery? *sets sundial*

libfreeordie on August 21, 2013 at 9:30 AM

None. They weren’t nascent Commies like John C. Calhoun, and full blown Commies like you. Don’t you think you need to provide some proof for such a ridiculous smear there Mr. Calhoun? You’re a history perfesser, right?

NotCoach on August 21, 2013 at 9:36 AM

Oh dear God….hold on, give me 10 minutes.

libfreeordie on August 21, 2013 at 9:45 AM

NotCoach on June 11, 2014 at 9:28 AM

This isn’t about immigration. It’s about Cloward Piven and Barack Obama. Stop him.

Key West Reader on June 11, 2014 at 9:08 AM

+1000

Despite the polling, I do not believe that most Americans want open borders and amnesty for the millions of illegals here now and those continuing to stream in daily and in the future. With what we see happening at our borders, the defeat of Cantor, and the mask being lifted from Obama’s facade, I hope and pray that when Obama issues an illegal executive order to continue to ignore the existing laws, that maybe just maybe, there will be enough Republicans with a spine to stop him! Perhaps it will be the proverbial “straw that breaks the camel’s back!”

texgal on June 11, 2014 at 9:30 AM

it’s dishonest to pretend otherwise.

Monkeytoe on June 11, 2014 at 9:27 AM

jake-the-goose is dishonest. He is nothing more than a pro amnesty shill.

astonerii on June 11, 2014 at 9:30 AM

Go through its pockets and look for loose change.

Humperdinck!… HUMPERDINCK!… HUMPERDINCK!

Horatia on June 11, 2014 at 9:32 AM

Here we go yet again, letting the progressives frame the argument by using their typification of “immigration reform.”

I mean what troglodyte could possibly oppose reform? /s

Could those of a conservative bent at the least please place the words immigration reform inside quotation marks, or modify the words with so-called?

Please?

Drained Brain on June 11, 2014 at 9:32 AM

OK… Do you know who is your god? FEAR…

mnjg on June 11, 2014 at 9:12 AM

Do you know who is you president? Do you know who is your Congress Critter? Immigration reform legislation is still, most likely, inevitable. The “fear” is for the poor children being sent here and used as pawns (or worse) for this lawless administration.

And, Obama will never sign anything. He doesn’t have to, he already has the Republicans jumping through hoops for his entertainment. He will keep moving the goalposts while our border security, humanitarian aid and legal immigration services collapse under the weight of this new and orchestrated assault on our laws and land.

Fear… Seriously?

Fallon on June 11, 2014 at 9:32 AM

We need to win the Senate.

jake-the-goose on June 11, 2014 at 9:24 AM

because when the GOP controlled the WH, Senate, and House for 6 years (200 – 2006) they addressed this issue? Oh, no – they pushed for amnesty and when they couldn’t get it, decided to do nothing about all of the other immigration issues (which proves that they only care about the amnesty portion of “immigration reform”).

If the GOP wins the Senate, they will either pass amnesty or do nothing. And, if they pass amnesty, it will make all of these problems worse. They aren’t going to suddnely start enforcing immigration laws just because they changed the laws. And, an amnesty will create an enormous incentive for millions more illegals to flood in (as we already see with these new illegals flowing in on just the promise of amnesty).

Moreover, employers will still want to hire illegals. All of the newly minted “legals” will be entitled to minimum wage, workers comp, benefits, payroll taxes, etc., so will suddenly become much more expensive for employers. So, the employers who don’t want to pay any of that now and hire illegals will do what? Suddenly want to pay those things? or continue to hire the new illegals that flow in?

How you or anyone believes an amnesty (I’m sorry, “comprehensive reform”) will solve anything is ridiculous.

Monkeytoe on June 11, 2014 at 9:32 AM

The current border issue with these children highlights our need for changes to the current asylum process to reduce the inflow of unaccompanied children and unite them with families.

Today we do not have a clear policy or law set to address this. That’s bad.

jake-the-goose on June 11, 2014 at 9:17 AM

Elian Gonzalez was reunited with his father.
The problem is magnified because we have an executive branch that is promoting chaos. In the absence of the rule of law, this is what happens.

Even before border security, we need an executive branch that is willing to enforce laws rather than relax them.

This crisis was entirely created due to the executive’s lack of enforcement of standing immigration law.

airupthere on June 11, 2014 at 9:33 AM

jake-the-goose is dishonest. He is nothing more than a pro amnesty shill.

astonerii on June 11, 2014 at 9:30 AM

I know. I’ve seen his “arguments” on other threads. He is 2 things:

a) a GOP shill; and
b) an amnesty shill.

He is most definitely not any form of conservative.

Monkeytoe on June 11, 2014 at 9:33 AM

This isn’t about immigration. It’s about Cloward Piven and Barack Obama. Stop him.

Key West Reader on June 11, 2014 at 9:08 AM

+1000

texgal on June 11, 2014 at 9:30 AM

Yup, add my +1000 to texgal’s.

Fallon on June 11, 2014 at 9:34 AM

They look dangerous to me. Call me racist, call me bigot, I don’t care. These are NOT children.

Key West Reader on June 11, 2014 at 9:20 AM

Two questions everyone needs to be asking, is, why are they coming here, and how are they getting here.

oscarwilde on June 11, 2014 at 9:35 AM

oscarwilde on June 11, 2014 at 9:35 AM

There is word getting out that they are publicizing Obama’s Open Borders Policy in Central America.

“Something awfuwwy Scwewy’s goin’ on awound heah.” – Elmer Fudd

kingsjester on June 11, 2014 at 9:37 AM

The pollsters are just not asking the right question, because the question is difficult.

I want immigration reform, but not the “reform” that the leadership wants.

We all want the immigration problem resolved, and that is what the word “reform” means to a lot of people…to resolve the situation, not a wholesale acceptance.

But a reasonable, logical, step by step pathway.

Close the borders…all this talk is the shiny object to take away the most important step, close and secure the border.

Anyone talking about “reform”, if they don’t first state that the number one priority is securing the border, they are not sincere.

Step two, all the “illegals”, have to register, and something like they have six months to go back home and re-apply.

They have to be “licensed”, and there is a fee for that privilege.

If they have a job, and are productive and a clean record, they have six months to re-apply…and pay the application fee that covers the cost. Something like $15,000, not cheap but actually cover the cost.

What I state is arbitrary, but I think that is what most people think of with the word “reform”, a system to allow immigrants to come into our country, and the ones now here who have been good producing individuals,give them a shot…most are better than many who are living on welfare now.

Before we “reform” we have to fix…otherwise it’s like putting air in a leaking tire without patching the leak.

right2bright on June 11, 2014 at 9:37 AM

Does everybody poop?

libfreeordie on June 11, 2014 at 9:23 AM

The latest WH/Democrat talking point.

Wow… Talk about lame.

Key West Reader on June 11, 2014 at 9:37 AM

The only pressure to do otherwise is coming from the White House, which threatens executive action precisely at a time when the American public — and especially the Republican base — is growing angry over such actions from Barack Obama:

Uh Ed? We are already way past the Obama is threatening to do something stage. The gates have been thrown wide open by HHS and Obama and hundreds of thousands are either here already or heading this way.

Johnnyreb on June 11, 2014 at 9:38 AM

wo questions everyone needs to be asking, is, why are they coming here, and how are they getting here.

oscarwilde on June 11, 2014 at 9:35 AM

oscarwilde on June 11, 2014 at 9:35 AM

There is word getting out that they are publicizing Obama’s Open Borders Policy in Central America.

“Something awfuwwy Scwewy’s goin’ on awound heah.” – Elmer Fudd

kingsjester on June 11, 2014 at 9:37 AM

they are being flown in and dropped off at our Southwestern borders. Texas and Arizona.

Phone and Pen.

Key West Reader on June 11, 2014 at 9:38 AM

I still find it odd that Cantor gets beat but Grahamnesty breezes through unscathed. The latter has been much more vocal about full fledged support for amnesty, while all Cantor was doing amounts to just sticking the toe in the water. If immigration was such a burden to Cantor, how was it not to Graham?

I think immigration reform will come next year, if not sooner. You’ve got polls saying a majority want it, and you’ve got two parties clamoring for the votes they believe they’ll win because of it. Yesterday’s results don’t, in my mind, suggest the topic is dead by any stretch.

changer1701 on June 11, 2014 at 9:39 AM

Just a couple of questions here…

1) Are Establishment Repubs stupid enough to double-down on “crush the TEA party” after Cantor’s loss?

2) IF the situation with the massive influx of illegal “children” is one that was deliberately planned for the sake of generating a humanitarian crisis that could be used to justify the type of immigration “reform” (read “amnesty) that so many of our Congress Critters want now (including the Repubs who have sold out to the CoC),……what’s our worst case scenario if Obama uses phone and pen anyway, regardless of the political fallout to Dems?

lineholder on June 11, 2014 at 9:40 AM

He distinctly said “to blave.” And, as we all know, “to blave” means “to bluff,” huh?

ezspirit on June 11, 2014 at 9:40 AM

Heading toward what appears to be a wave election in their favor, they have no particular reason to address this issue now. Better to wait until 2015 and look for a way to compromise with Democrats without giving away the store, especially on border security.

This is why the Vichy GOP needs to find its quick political death, since it is totally untrustworthy and filled with nothing but idiots who will never let their treasonous impulses die … only put them off until some later date.

Giving aid and comfort to an invading enemy is TREASON. Not amnesty – TREASON. Anyone who actually thinks as above needs to be excised from government and the public square. Those who have no respect (and are openly hostile) to the idea of the nation-state and the concept of national sovereignty have no business in politics, whether it’s in government or commenting about it.

And I am so tired of hearing about “border security” … as if that has any meaning without interior enforcement. It doesn’t. Border security is a bunch of BS if the interior is open and lawless. Interior enforcement is it. And if there is interior enforcement then there is nothing to even talk about regarding legalizing any illegals, since they would have to be kicked out and deported as part of interior enforcement.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 11, 2014 at 9:40 AM

Some comments in here show that when you have a real immigration issue – some people cannot appreciate that it might have NOTHING to do with Amnesty.

That concept is impossible for some to grasp.

Limited intellect and thinking is hurting this nation right now.

Having said that – the NO AMNESTY mind set was the clear winner last night with the Cantor defeat – 100%.

jake-the-goose on June 11, 2014 at 9:42 AM

Even before border security, we need an executive branch that is willing to enforce laws rather than relax them. This crisis was entirely created due to the executive’s lack of enforcement of standing immigration law.

airupthere on June 11, 2014 at 9:33 AM

On the nose! Which is why I am hoping and praying that the Republicans use this crisis to shackle Obama and change the narrative from amnesty. (Which is what the establishment means when they talk about “reform”!)

texgal on June 11, 2014 at 9:42 AM

Here we go yet again, letting the progressives frame the argument by using their typification of “immigration reform.”

I mean what troglodyte could possibly oppose reform? /s

Could those of a conservative bent at the least please place the words immigration reform inside quotation marks, or modify the words with so-called?

Drained Brain on June 11, 2014 at 9:32 AM

Not to mention that, say, deportation of current illegal aliens, increased border controls, and reduction of legal immigration levels would also be a kind of “immigration reform.” But that’s not the kind of immigration reform we are likely to see.

J.S.K. on June 11, 2014 at 9:43 AM

oscarwilde on June 11, 2014 at 9:35 AM

There is word getting out that they are publicizing Obama’s Open Borders Policy in Central America.

“Something awfuwwy Scwewy’s goin’ on awound heah.” – Elmer Fudd

kingsjester on June 11, 2014 at 9:37 AM

Ok, Who, and I mean EXACTLY is they. If it is the people of south America, who exactly told them that Obama has an Open Borders policy? You you follow what I am saying here? The people of South America did not just suddenly one day decide that Obama had a open borders policy, Who exactly told that that?

And then, How, once again, EXACTLY, are these kids getting here. It’s a damned long way from Guatemala to Texas, with the entire nation of Mexico in the way, and Mexico is notorious for it’s Souther Border Security. How are they getting past Mexico’s souther border and crossing the entire country of Mexico?

oscarwilde on June 11, 2014 at 9:44 AM

Ageist!

CurtZHP on June 11, 2014 at 9:26 AM

Put that on your Facebook page.

Key West Reader on June 11, 2014 at 9:44 AM

If pollsters define immigration reform as closing the borders , then a majority supports it.
But how is that. ‘Reform’?
It’s already the law .
Enforce the friggen law !!

LASue on June 11, 2014 at 9:45 AM

The people of South America did not just suddenly one day decide that Obama had a open borders policy, Who exactly told that that?

And then, How, once again, EXACTLY, are these kids getting here. It’s a damned long way from Guatemala to Texas, with the entire nation of Mexico in the way, and Mexico is notorious for it’s Souther Border Security. How are they getting past Mexico’s souther border and crossing the entire country of Mexico?

oscarwilde on June 11, 2014 at 9:44 AM

Quite simple: FEMA

Don’t look!

Key West Reader on June 11, 2014 at 9:46 AM

kingsjester on June 11, 2014 at 9:37 AM

they are being flown in and dropped off at our Southwestern borders. Texas and Arizona.

Phone and Pen.

Key West Reader on June 11, 2014 at 9:38 AM

If they are being flown in, who exactly is flying them in, who exactly is paying their air fare? Who exactly is transporting to the border? the term “They” simply won’t cut it, who exactly are “They“???

oscarwilde on June 11, 2014 at 9:47 AM

If circumstances don’t create a crisis, the Obama Administration will.

Scary shiite my friends, scary shiite.

Key West Reader on June 11, 2014 at 9:47 AM

And the system isn’t. “Broken .” It might need some tweeks, but what doesn’t?

What’s broken is the power of the people to expect their elected officials to enforce the law.

LASue on June 11, 2014 at 9:48 AM

So, we’re saying Boehner isn’t “hellbent” any longer?

Bitter Clinger on June 11, 2014 at 9:48 AM

Not to mention that, say, deportation of current illegal aliens, increased border controls, and reduction of legal immigration levels would also be a kind of “immigration reform.” But that’s not the kind of immigration reform we are likely to see.

J.S.K. on June 11, 2014 at 9:43 AM

Just so!

Drained Brain on June 11, 2014 at 9:48 AM

Some comments in here show that when you have a real immigration issue – some people cannot appreciate that it might have NOTHING to do with Amnesty.

No immigration issue can be voted on without some form of amnesty attached to it. Period. It is not our inability to appreciate that, it is the politicians inability to separate them.

That concept is impossible for some to grasp.

The fact that we KNOW that any immigration reform that happens right now WILL include some form of Amnesty is impossible to impart to your brain.

Limited intellect and thinking is hurting this nation right now.

And you are a prime example of this.

Having said that – the NO AMNESTY mind set was the clear winner last night with the Cantor defeat – 100%.

jake-the-goose on June 11, 2014 at 9:42 AM

Yes it did, and until the political class gets that, there will be NO legislative reforms that will pass without Amnesty attached. Thus it is in conservatives and America’s best interest to not have any reform at all.

astonerii on June 11, 2014 at 9:49 AM

Central America Newspapers Tout Open US Door for Illegal Minors

La Prensa of Honduras discusses in a report how as many as 500 illegal minors are being housed at the Naval Base Ventura County in Southern California.

“The children will be accommodated for between three and four months, while their parents or relatives are located in the United States,” the report says.

“The administration of President Barack Obama has acknowledged he faces a serious crisis for the continuous arrival of children, mostly Central Americans, who are illegally entering the country on the border with Mexico.”

Besides Mexico and Honduras, the report notes that many of the children are coming from Guatemala, El Salvador, and Nicaragua.

“During their stay, in addition to accommodations and food, children receive English classes, play sports and participate in targeted programs while immigration authorities contact their families,” the La Prensa report says.

On Monday, the Obama administration said that it would begin housing as many as 1,200 illegal minors at the Army base in Fort Sill in Oklahoma.

The plan was attacked last week by Oklahoma Republicans, who accused the administration of not giving them sufficient notice and that it would strain limited resources.

A similar shelter for that has accommodated about 1,820 minors over nearly four weeks has been operating at Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, Texas.

Housing the illegals cost American taxpayers $252 per child per day.

The deluge of illegal immigrants is causing a burden on the border states of Texas and Arizona, and officials have been transporting children from south Texas to Arizona and leaving them at various locations, including holding centers and bus stations.

After widespread outrage by Arizona state and congressional officials, Homeland Security said it would stop dumping illegals in those states, even though officials say the practice has not stopped.

Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer last week sent emergency food and medical supplies to a makeshift holding center in the southern part of the state that was holding hundreds of illegal minors.

The Obama administration estimates that 60,000 children under 18 will enter the U.S. illegally alone this year. It’s expected to grow to nearly 130,000 next year.

Resist We Much on June 11, 2014 at 9:50 AM

Tell your rep you will support “primarying” any congress person who supports amnesty.

Viator on June 11, 2014 at 9:52 AM

Some comments in here show that when you have a real immigration issue – some people cannot appreciate that it might have NOTHING to do with Amnesty.

That concept is impossible for some to grasp.

Limited intellect and thinking is hurting this nation right now.

Having said that – the NO AMNESTY mind set was the clear winner last night with the Cantor defeat – 100%.

jake-the-goose on June 11, 2014 at 9:42 AM

Too funny. To scarred from previous encounters to actually argue with anyone in particular?

I love Jake. He believes he is intelligent, but is too afraid to actually argue any facts or analysis with anyone who challenges him.

And, of course the dishonesty. Nobody argues against other kinds of immigration reform when arguing against amnesty – that is my whole point.

It is the pro-amnesty side that claims that no immigration reform of any kind can happen without amnesty.

Yet here comes Jake to pretend otherwise, that it is we who confuse the two issues.

So dishonest. So unintelligent. Yet so full of himself. It is always the ignorant who believe they are wise.

Monkeytoe on June 11, 2014 at 9:55 AM

I believe whether or not an “immigration” bill makes it to the House floor in the next 6 months will depend on whether or not the GOPe has reconciled itself to remaining in a loser-party position in perpetuity in exchange for Chamber of Commerce and K Street money.

Certainly most (but not all) of the more senior and influential Republicans are from relatively safe districts- regardless of whether or not the national Party every regains a leadership position, their personal fortunes will not be adversely impacted, or so the thought process goes.

Also true is that many GOPe pols are “Republicans” only because that’s the flavor that can get them elected, and they could not run as a viable Dem candidate for whatever reason. For lots of the older members, they came of age in the minority party years of the GOP, and find nothing objectionable in that.

If Cantor’s loss can spark a little worry in the minds of the other political animals, that they too might actually lose ALL their power and privilege, then even if Brat (who is an impressive guy BTW- listen to him talk) loses to a dhimmi challenger (unlikely) it will have served a useful purpose in diluting the influence of the monied class.

Dolce Far Niente on June 11, 2014 at 9:56 AM

Better to wait until 2015 and look for a way to compromise with Democrats without giving away the store, especially on border security.

Why compromise with people dedicated to your destruction? I get it not.

Akzed on June 11, 2014 at 9:58 AM

Immigration reform, at least in its current form, is certainly dead now. And again, I’m not convinced it was ever alive since the New Year.

The hordes pouring across the southern border say otherwise. A de-facto amnesty has been instituted by Barky, and in the absense of anyone with the stones to challenge it, will remain in place until the demographic shift pretty much matches what a legal amnesty would have created.

bofh on June 11, 2014 at 9:59 AM

it’s dishonest to pretend otherwise.

Monkeytoe

That’s what amnesty shills do. They have to.

xblade on June 11, 2014 at 10:02 AM

Miracle Max’s “Mostly dead” diagnosis is more appropriate to the TEA party.

But, thanks, my kids (now 25 and 30)love that movie!

socalcon on June 11, 2014 at 10:02 AM

The hordes pouring across the southern border say otherwise. A de-facto amnesty has been instituted by Barky, and in the absense of anyone with the stones to challenge it, will remain in place until the demographic shift pretty much matches what a legal amnesty would have created.

bofh on June 11, 2014 at 9:59 AM

Dear Sir… This is NOT Amnesty. This is an INVASION

Key West Reader on June 11, 2014 at 10:03 AM

1) Are Establishment Repubs stupid enough to double-down on “crush the TEA party” after Cantor’s loss?

Absolutely. Their reaction to Tea Party victories since 2010 has been an mixture of hatred and contempt. They aren’t going to “get the message” – they’ve had three electoral cycles to do so now and instead of “We understand,” the leadership’s response is usually barely concealed fury.

2) IF the situation with the massive influx of illegal “children” is one that was deliberately planned for the sake of generating a humanitarian crisis that could be used to justify the type of immigration “reform” (read “amnesty) that so many of our Congress Critters want now (including the Repubs who have sold out to the CoC),……what’s our worst case scenario if Obama uses phone and pen anyway, regardless of the political fallout to Dems?

lineholder on June 11, 2014 at 9:40 AM

What I think could happen is Obama might be able to grant some kind of amnesty via an illegal executive order. This would be bad, but it’s very unlikely he’ll be able to grant these people the vote. If they do get the vote, you’re going to get red states refusing to comply and possibly electoral violence, and the Democrats aren’t ready for that yet.

Furthermore, since any executive order granting these people citizenship will be illegal by its nature, said order can be easily rescinded if we get a conservative president. I agree this is unlikely to happen, but we will be better off with this than an amnesty lead by Congress which will be permanently binding and effectively give the entire population of Central America and Mexico a vote in our elections.

Doomberg on June 11, 2014 at 10:04 AM

Every member of congress knows a invasion of wage/vote slaves is going on down on the Mexican/U.S. border.

They do nothing.

It is a great evil.

Greed for the wage vote slaves.

Greed for power.

They are not of U.S. any longer.

Turn your backs on them and vote them out.

It is easy to select the most evil as their votes shine the light for U.S..

Do not back down, they think we will not fight.

Fight.

No to all of it.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on June 11, 2014 at 10:05 AM

Obama is already winning with his ‘Children’s Crusade’. “Accept the illegal children I plotted to be dumped on American soil or be branded a racist.” Worldwide Obama loses wherever he goes (incompetence) but here (and ONLY here) thanks to Affirmative Action and the media he always wins.

There is an inverse relation between Obama and America. AN Obama win is an American loss. If there ever is an Obama loss, America will gain.

MaiDee on June 11, 2014 at 10:06 AM

Why compromise with people dedicated to your destruction? I get it not.

Akzed

And you know what’s funny? Before that he claims we’re headed to a wave election. Yet even though we’re poised to win because of democrat abuse of power, he still wants us to negotiate our own demise on a key issue that’s killing democrats, lol. How many other parties are required to hand the side they just defeated a gift for losing?

It’s pathological.

xblade on June 11, 2014 at 10:09 AM

Doomberg on June 11, 2014 at 10:04 AM

Absolutely. Their reaction to Tea Party victories since 2010 has been an mixture of hatred and contempt. They aren’t going to “get the message” – they’ve had three electoral cycles to do so now and instead of “We understand,” the leadership’s response is usually barely concealed fury.

I think it is not only possible but also likely that they will double-down, so we’re in agreement on that.

And my questions were more in the way of “planning for the worst, hoping for the best”, you see. If you look at the full scope and can identify what the worst case scenario might be, you can be better prepared to face it head on.

Furthermore, since any executive order granting these people citizenship will be illegal by its nature, said order can be easily rescinded if we get a conservative president. I agree this is unlikely to happen, but we will be better off with this than an amnesty lead by Congress which will be permanently binding and effectively give the entire population of Central America and Mexico a vote in our elections.

Agreed. Doing this through EO makes little sense, given that it could be undone. I think Obama et. al. want this done through the legal system so that it will stand long term. OTOH, he has displayed that he’s willing to pursue ideology over politics. That leaves the possibility open that he could prove to be a loose cannon on how he deals with this.

One other question….since it seems that the admin is determined to use Red States as a dumping ground, what happens if Conservatives meet that particular challenge head on? Have governors of those red states petition to take local control over the individuals stationed at these bases, rather than relying on FEMA. And have Conservatives become proactively involved in volunteering time at that bases.

I know the idea goes somewhat against the grain, given the circumstances, but it would be a much better way of knowing exactly what is going on that relying on vague reports in the press

lineholder on June 11, 2014 at 10:24 AM

What a difference a day makes.

lea on June 11, 2014 at 10:29 AM

About 72 percent of registered voters in Cantor’s district polled on Tuesday said they either “strongly” or “somewhat” support immigration reform that would secure the borders, block employers from hiring those here illegally, and allow undocumented residents without criminal backgrounds to gain legal status – three key tenets of an overhaul, according to a poll by the left-leaning firm Public Policy Polling and commissioned by the liberal advocacy group Americans United for Change.

Not one person in a thousand thinks that is the way it would go.

Everybody knows that Obama would take all of the legalization procedures and abuse them to grant instant amnesty, and would not do a damn thing about securing the borders. He’s going to try to do this even without our help.

Haiku Guy on June 11, 2014 at 10:31 AM

One other question….since it seems that the admin is determined to use Red States as a dumping ground, what happens if Conservatives meet that particular challenge head on? Have governors of those red states petition to take local control over the individuals stationed at these bases, rather than relying on FEMA. And have Conservatives become proactively involved in volunteering time at that bases.

I know the idea goes somewhat against the grain, given the circumstances, but it would be a much better way of knowing exactly what is going on that relying on vague reports in the press

lineholder on June 11, 2014 at 10:24 AM

I think eventually red states are going to have to deal with this, or the local Republican parties there will quickly be stripped of their power. I certainly hope this happens, and i think it will happen sooner or later.

The question is, which Republican governor has the guts to go first and tell the Feds to shove off and take his/her own unilateral action? We’ll find out.

Doomberg on June 11, 2014 at 10:40 AM

The question is, which Republican governor has the guts to go first and tell the Feds to shove off and take his/her own unilateral action? We’ll find out.

Doomberg on June 11, 2014 at 10:40 AM

One thing we know for certain…the feds won’t take that risk with Jindal. He’s already learned the hard way that you can’t depend on FEMA…that you have to find ways to get things done DESPITE the actions of the federal government.

Interesting to note that they’re taking these “children” to states that have female (R) Governors who have both expressed sympathy with immigration “reform”, isn’t it? Maybe because they knew both would cater to FEMA???? I’d love to see Conservatives in those states put a little pressure there. Wonder if that would shake things up a bit? Or maybe we should set up a national group acting in humanitarian interests to try to do so?

lineholder on June 11, 2014 at 10:50 AM

This is just like how Scott Brown’s election killed ObamaCare…

BadgerHawk on June 11, 2014 at 10:54 AM

It’s not really that complicated. Immigration reform is simply too hot an issue to handle in an election year, and especially in the final months before a general election.

Normally, I would agree. But not at a time when the government (both sides) doesn’t even try anymore to hide their collective bad behavior.

Anything is possible.

Tsar of Earth on June 11, 2014 at 11:08 AM

About 72 percent of registered voters in Cantor’s district polled on Tuesday said they either “strongly” or “somewhat” support immigration reform that would secure the borders, block employers from hiring those here illegally, and allow undocumented residents without criminal backgrounds to gain legal status – three key tenets of an overhaul

As usual, Politico gets the facts right and the interpretation wrong. The problem for Eric Cantor and the Republican leadership is that no one believes that they will secure the border to prevent a further influx. Cantor proved that by mouthing his DREAM Act platitudes just days before the election just as that manufactured crisis down on the border was hitting the headlines. He showed that he was complicit in that lawless scheme.

Rather than looking for a deal, Cantor should have been pilloring the administration. He should have made it clear that there would be zero compromise with the Democrats until the border was sealed. Had Cantor gone down there to show his support for the embattled governors in the border states, he might still be in office.

Joseph K on June 11, 2014 at 11:12 AM

The Reagan Democrats are watching both sides, and better watch out R/Ds. Your Hell is upon you, you charlatans.

Schadenfreude on June 11, 2014 at 11:15 AM

Does everybody poop?

libfreeorgan on June 11, 2014 at 9:23 AM

…yes…most of us don’t have the hole plugged…like you do.

KOOLAID2 on June 11, 2014 at 11:16 AM

Will Cantor’s defeat kill immigration reform AMNESTY in the House?

Speaking of “immigration reform” (i.e. amnesty), doesn’t anyone think Al Quaida is noticing the invasion across our southern border and taking advantage accordingly?

olesparkie on June 11, 2014 at 11:16 AM

Brat said that while he’s received a ton of tea party support, he didn’t run as a tea partier. He supports Republican principles, and made it clear “the only problem with Republican principles is no one’s following them.”

Schadenfreude on June 11, 2014 at 11:17 AM

changer1701 on June 11, 2014 at 9:39 AM

Not odd at all. At least you know where Graham stands. Cantor mouths all the right platitudes and then does the opposite behind closed doors. And by all accounts Graham ran a smart, tough campaign, while Cantor was a disaster. His ads alone made me vote for Brat.

Joseph K on June 11, 2014 at 11:17 AM

Does everybody poop?

libfreeordie on June 11, 2014 at 9:23 AM

Yes, but not everybody eats is; especially not everybody eats obama’s chit. Bon appetit, you pig.

Schadenfreude on June 11, 2014 at 11:18 AM

Please.

The CoC and the GOP folks on their payroll are not simply going to roll over and give up on the amnesty they want so desperately.

They know the GOP won’t benefit from the new voters; Boehner and McCain and others have openly admitted it – but they want amnesty anyway. Why? Money. They are simply on the take. CoC/Zuckerberg/et al want it, and they will pay GOP individuals to ensure it happens. You think CoC/Zuckerberg/et al suddenly are disinterested in amnesty?

The GOP folks on their payroll knew amnesty was a political death knell to begin with, but were ok with it anyway – think for some reason they’re now more afraid of that same political death knell? *pfft*

Midas on June 11, 2014 at 11:33 AM

This is just like how Scott Brown’s election killed ObamaCare…

BadgerHawk on June 11, 2014 at 10:54 AM

Indeed.

Midas on June 11, 2014 at 11:34 AM

If Obama pulls out his pen and phone to unilaterally pass defacto amnesty not only will the Dems lose in November but in 2016. There are 90,000 refugee children on our borders because of Obama’s policies. Does he really think this is a good time to double down again? Gee wouldn’t it be wonderful if we had an opposition party that would impeach this lawless btard?

neyney on June 11, 2014 at 11:41 AM

Off the sidebar at Drudge:

Illegals flagging down border patrol to gain entry…
Central American newspapers tout Obama amnesty…
DANGER: CONDITIONS DETERIORATE AT AZ SHELTER…
Widespread sexual activity…
Valerie Jarrett in secret meetings with activists…

That’s why it’s dead now if it wasn’t before and that’s what did in Cantor.

formwiz on June 11, 2014 at 11:55 AM

Bmore

Schadenfreude on June 11, 2014 at 12:31 PM

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