Still more Cantor fallout: Will the GOP’s 2016 contenders shift right on immigration?

posted at 4:31 pm on June 11, 2014 by Allahpundit

Senator Paul, care to comment?

A senior adviser to Paul told BuzzFeed Wednesday morning that the Kentucky senator rejects early analysis arguing that the GOP base has adopted a zero-tolerance policy toward immigration reform.

“Elections are almost never a referendum on one issue; they are a referendum on the people on the ballot,” the adviser said…

“[Rand]’s going to say what he’s always said; that yes, he believes we need immigration reform. Anybody who looks at the system has to admit it’s broken,” the adviser said. “But he has always said that reform needs to start first at the border, and that any reforms that follow that are staggered over a number of years, contingent on border security, and sent back to Congress every year so they can say, yes, these reforms are working.”

I think that’ll be par for the course for the field. As traumatized as Republican candidates must be by Cantor’s destruction, they’re more traumatized, I think, by Romney’s margin among Latinos in 2012 after he backed “self-deportation” in the primaries to pander to righties. They’re not going to follow him down the same road, and if they were tempted to, the donor class wouldn’t let them. Unless you’re Ted Cruz or Rand Paul, neither of whom stands a chance of winning the business-lobby primary, your campaign hinges on winning as many rich backers as possible. That means you support legalizing illegals, even if you have to lard up that positions with conditions to stay viable in the primaries. Even Paul, after all, is leery of trying to win a confrontation with the establishment in a national race backed by nothing more than grassroots support. That’s why he’s been moderating his position on foreign policy and why he’s refusing to budge on immigration after Cantor’s beating. He won’t be the donor class’s choice, but maybe he can peel away some members. It’s Cruz, alone among the contenders, who’ll be running a chiefly grassroots campaign. That’ll ensure his status as de facto leader of the tea party, win or lose, but it’s not the obvious path to the nomination in the McCain/Romney era. Because he has little to lose, he’s the only man running who might embrace a firm “security first” position. And needless to say, even he’ll stay away from “self-deportation.”

As for the rest of them, with the exception of Jeb “Act of Love” Bush, I think the adjustment made will be mainly rhetorical. After Cantor, you’ll hear more chatter about how border security must, must be part of any deal with Democrats, but that a deal, regrettably, must nonetheless be made. That’s been Rubio’s position all along as a member of the Gang of Eight; people like Christie and Scott Walker, who are looking for cover on this, will parrot the same points in order to try to hide in a crowd. The more similar each candidate is to the other on immigration reform, the more in theory the issue is neutralized when voters are making up their minds. The one exception to that on the right, again, is Cruz. The establishment candidates will be calculating that immigration isn’t important enough to Republican voters to put him over the top; they’ll attack him relentlessly as being unelectable, which should make undecideds who happen to agree with him on amnesty think twice about backing him. If that calculation is wrong, though, all bets are off in the primaries. That’s how much of a wild card immigration is.

On the other end of the spectrum, I think Jeb’s too much of a true believer in legalization to modify his rhetoric much even after seeing what Brat did to Cantor. He may figure — probably correctly — that being the lone loud-and-proud amnesty fan in the field might consolidate establishment support behind him and eliminate his more dangerous opponents, like Walker. If he ends up in a one-on-one fight with Paul or Cruz, he can live with that. He’ll campaign 24/7 on electability and probably win, just as McCain and Romney did. The danger to Jeb, who’s not winning any tea-party votes in the primary regardless, is that if he goes whole hog on amnesty early, he might alienate a critical mass of conservatives into staying home for the November general election. I think that’s unlikely, but immigration’s a powerful issue and grassroots righties are bone-weary of nominating people whom they feel don’t represent their interests. That’s the other big wild card in the primaries: Would a candidate like Jeb, by dint of embracing the establishment position on amnesty, be seen by conservatives as so remote from them, politically and culturally, that some small but significant number boycott the race? Before last night, I would have said no way. But after watching the House majority leader spend boatloads of money, attack his challenger vigorously, enjoy high turnout in his home district, and get obliterated anyway, I don’t know anymore. Dave Brat’s populist, anti-”insider” strategy, epitomized by his criticism of immigration compromises, might have legs.


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It can’t happen to them…?

d1carter on June 11, 2014 at 4:33 PM

Let us hope not. I want to know their true intentions, not their I want to get elected position. Getting sick and tired of the rope-a-dope that so many voters in these United States of America easily fall for.

Honesty in advertizing. If you are for amnesty, say so. If not, then say so. But do not tell me what I want to hear. I can tell when someone is lying on something.

I never trusted Rubio, I never trusted Rand Paul. They both were and are lying sacks of shit. Willing to lie to get elected is not a virtue, I do not care what the lie is.

astonerii on June 11, 2014 at 4:36 PM

I think a lot of people even thinking about immigration reform are in for a rude awakening. The current humanitarian crisis at the border is only going to get worse. Remember the BP oil spill and how that was handled.

Carville better stock up on throat lozenges.

can_con on June 11, 2014 at 4:38 PM

No, in part, because they are as out of touch with
the American people as this President is..they’ll double down
on the Stupid….

ToddPA on June 11, 2014 at 4:38 PM

But after watching the House majority leader spend boatloads of money, attack his challenger vigorously, enjoy high turnout in his home district, and get obliterated anyway, I don’t know anymore. Dave Brat’s populist, anti-”insider” strategy, epitomized by his criticism of immigration compromises, might have legs.

Gee, ya think? Brat said it himself: “The only problem with the Republican principles is that no one is following them.” It worked wonders for Reagan twice. One of these decades we’ll hopefully get a Presidential candidate who uses the same playbook.

Doughboy on June 11, 2014 at 4:38 PM

Has anyone heard of Karl Rove, yet?

Schadenfreude on June 11, 2014 at 4:39 PM

He’ll campaign 24/7 on electability and probably win, just as McCain and Romney did.

Which worked out so well the last two times.

rbj on June 11, 2014 at 4:40 PM

Cool

Schadenfreude on June 11, 2014 at 4:40 PM

One bet I would offer is that whoever the Republican nominee is, that person will be our next president barring a very strong third party candidate.

Deano1952 on June 11, 2014 at 4:41 PM

… they’re more traumatized, I think, by Romney’s margin among Latinos in 2012 after he backed “self-deportation” in the primaries to pander to righties.

Is that really what happened? Funny, I don’t remember it like that.

Pork-Chop on June 11, 2014 at 4:41 PM

Dave Brat’s populist, anti-”insider” strategy, epitomized by his criticism of immigration compromises, might have legs.

we call it following the law down here Allah

DanMan on June 11, 2014 at 4:43 PM

So 2016 elections will be purchased by Zuckerberg and Chamber of Commerce I’m guessing ?

burrata on June 11, 2014 at 4:44 PM

The real campaign doesn’t start for over a year. Do you think the illegal immigration problem will be better or worse then now? It’s been less then 24 hours and you forgot the lessens of last night AP. Setting up refugee camps by the hundreds isn’t very good optics.

lowandslow on June 11, 2014 at 4:44 PM

Is that really what happened? Funny, I don’t remember it like that.

Pork-Chop on June 11, 2014 at 4:41 PM

Indeed.

It’s funny that people think that Mitt’s poor showing with Latinos was based on that. It couldn’t have anything to do with the fact that most Latinos are poor and couldn’t identify with the “rich guy”.

Bitter Clinger on June 11, 2014 at 4:44 PM

OT: Bad Sign: Cantor presser in progress…

d1carter on June 11, 2014 at 4:45 PM

Is that really what happened? Funny, I don’t remember it like that.

Pork-Chop on June 11, 2014 at 4:41 PM

What cost Romney the Presidency was his failure to turn out the base. The GOP elites will never admit this. The dude won independents by 5 points for God’s sake. Any other election where that happened, the Republican nominee would’ve had a landslide victory. But not when 4 million of your own voters stay home.

Doughboy on June 11, 2014 at 4:45 PM

Something needs to be done on Immigration. Everybody agrees on this. Until we secure the border, there is no use even moving forward.

Plug the whole in the bottom of the boat, then we’ll start bailing.

portlandon on June 11, 2014 at 4:46 PM

Short of deporting them all, here’s what an American really ought to be able to expect from a government that’s interested in protecting me and promoting my interests of any illegal and legal immigrant.

Sophisticated border and internal enforcement. With regard to internal enforcement, if some worker or student here on a visa goes off the grid, the employer or school must inform the feds within 72 hours or be fined stiffly. Let’s have two or three years of e-verify with stiff fines for noncompliance. That should thin the herd. In the meantime, no entitlements–other than an ER visit–without proof of citizenship. If they present themselves as non-citizens, criminals get deported along with visa-overstayers, gang members, gang affiliates, and identity thieves.

If we uncover some long-term residents who have not been charges, how about a path provided that they can find a sponsoring church or non-profit that will put up a bond for crimes they might commit or costs that they may incur that will be a charge on society.

BuckeyeSam on June 11, 2014 at 4:47 PM

Cantor was on the radio in another acceptance concession speech and he sounded mad.

Fallon on June 11, 2014 at 4:48 PM

Will the GOP’s 2016 contenders shift right on immigration?

Does everybody poop?

libfreeordie on June 11, 2014 at 9:23 AM

I guess that’s a yes. Girl, bye.

slickwillie2001 on June 11, 2014 at 4:48 PM

Grass roots Republicans are sick of the GOPe expecting them to vote Republican while the party only pays attention to the donor class.

bw222 on June 11, 2014 at 4:48 PM

Doughboy on June 11, 2014 at 4:45 PM

What was the % of the vote that made up the electorate based on affiliation? I’m being lazy…

astonerii on June 11, 2014 at 4:48 PM

Cantor still doesn’t get it….

d1carter on June 11, 2014 at 4:48 PM

OT: Bad Sign: Cantor presser in progress…

d1carter on June 11, 2014 at 4:45 PM

Let me guess? he starts off with this:

“O.K., I ordered my Steak Medium Well, Azzholes!!”

ToddPA on June 11, 2014 at 4:48 PM

Radio cut away. Has he congratulated Brat, yet?

Fallon on June 11, 2014 at 4:49 PM

Has anyone heard of Karl Rove, yet?

Schadenfreude on June 11, 2014 at 4:39 PM

There’s a report of an incident at an Austin Golden Corral. Something about a chocolate fountain and flash dance.

Cheese Wheel on June 11, 2014 at 4:49 PM

It’s gonna take more than just sending Cantor to the house…much work ahead over the years.

d1carter on June 11, 2014 at 4:50 PM

Clueless again. God you freaking amaze me with your piss ignorance…

“they’re more traumatized, I think, by Romney’s margin among Latinos in 2012 after he backed “self-deportation” in the primaries to pander to righties.”

In years when repubs pander ((to)) ILLEGAL ALIENS, they ((do not)) enjoy a spike in Hispanic vote. Never have. Never will. Don’t need them to win…

Winning elections is about getting the Reagan democrats who less about the “getting something done” on immigration.

Unless that “getting something done” is sealing the border and sending about 3/4 of them back home.

What planet do you live on ALLAHDIPWADD?

conservativeBC on June 11, 2014 at 4:50 PM

Seriously, AP, you’ve gone full “Brit Hume”

… you NEVER want to go full “Brit Hume“!

;->

The REALITY of immigration reform:

The Latino vote is ~ 10% of the total electorate.

Among Latino voters, this is only rated as a priority by 36% of them.

“Immigration reform” is NOT and WILL NOT BE a positive for the Republican Party, now or ever.

PolAgnostic on June 11, 2014 at 4:50 PM

“Elections are almost never a referendum on one issue; they are a referendum on the people on the ballot,” the adviser said…

sigh…
Elections used to be about issues.

airupthere on June 11, 2014 at 4:51 PM

More clichés and platitudes…typical Eric Cantor.

d1carter on June 11, 2014 at 4:52 PM

shift right

We’re already racists. How much more do you want?

faraway on June 11, 2014 at 4:53 PM

He won’t be the donor class’s choice, but maybe he can peel away some members.

Like the guy, but I wonder what he’s thinking. He could simply say he wants to reform the system but he doesn’t trust Obama and won’t work with him.

chris0christies0donut on June 11, 2014 at 4:54 PM

Dave Brat’s populist

You mean that thing Hot Air mocked and denigrated continuously during the Romney campaign?

vlad martel on June 11, 2014 at 4:54 PM

The thought of a President Jeb Bush makes me gag even more than the thought of a President Hillary Clinton.

VorDaj on June 11, 2014 at 4:54 PM

PolAgnostic on June 11, 2014 at 4:50 PM

Oh, come on. He hasn’t gotten on TV waving his dictionary around shrieking about the wingers yet.

chris0christies0donut on June 11, 2014 at 4:55 PM

A House race in Virginia……..an earthquake?

d1carter on June 11, 2014 at 4:55 PM

I have yet to hear any of the GOP welcome Brat with open arms…

d1carter on June 11, 2014 at 4:56 PM

The real campaign doesn’t start for over a year. Do you think the illegal immigration problem will be better or worse then now? It’s been less then 24 hours and you forgot the lessens of last night AP. Setting up refugee camps by the hundreds isn’t very good optics.

lowandslow on June 11, 2014 at 4:44 PM

Barack Obama: Human Trafficker and Child Predator.

VorDaj on June 11, 2014 at 4:57 PM

What Cruz or any conservative candidate has to ask is “How does illegal immigration/amnesty benefit the United States?” Not how does it benefit the illegals, the Democrats, the Chamber of Commerce, big business, Latino groups, the Catholic Church, but how does it benefit the United States and middle class Americans?

Look at the huge population growth, the increased percentage of poor, the strain on our educational system, hospitals, the increased cost of entitlements?

Allah, do you want to take a crack at answering that question? Tossing political correctness aside, there is no logical answer. There is no way a country won’t go downhill by importing such a large number of uneducated, unskilled people in a short period of time. It’s like an NFL team drafting a bunch of slow, uncoordinated people and expecting to win. It isn’t going to happen.

bw222 on June 11, 2014 at 4:59 PM

The thought of a President Jeb Bush makes me gag even more than the thought of a President Hillary Clinton.

VorDaj on June 11, 2014 at 4:54 PM

You aren’t the only one. A Jeb/Ryan ticket would be the worst imaginable.

bw222 on June 11, 2014 at 5:01 PM

What cost Romney the Presidency was his failure to turn out the base. The GOP elites will never admit this. The dude won independents by 5 points for God’s sake. Any other election where that happened, the Republican nominee would’ve had a landslide victory.

Doughboy on June 11, 2014 at 4:45 PM

The reason Mitt won among independents is because a lot of the independents were more-or-less conservative people who gave up on calling themselves Republican.

J.S.K. on June 11, 2014 at 5:01 PM

They had better. We are mad as he// and we aren’t going to take it anymore. I dream of the day when the RINOs are begging for scraps at the table. Imagine a world where the Republicans actually start fighting against the Dems and not their base.

neyney on June 11, 2014 at 5:02 PM

The danger to Jeb, who’s not winning any tea-party votes in the primary regardless, is that if he goes whole hog on amnesty early, he might alienate a critical mass of conservatives into staying home for the November general election. I think that’s unlikely, but immigration’s a powerful issue and grassroots righties are bone-weary of nominating people whom they feel don’t represent their interests.

Wouldn’t Romney have won if more of the base had turned out? I think it’s a mistake to assume they won’t stay home. And on top of that, after so many weakish moderate candidates, you really really don’t think people aren’t fed up by this point and willing to try a third party candidate or just stay home rather than be backstabbed and insulted again?

Ukiah on June 11, 2014 at 5:03 PM

A House race in Virginia……..an earthquake?

d1carter on June 11, 2014 at 4:55 PM

I have yet to hear any of the GOP welcome Brat with open arms…

d1carter on June 11, 2014 at 4:56 PM

Did you just wake up? And if by GOP, you mean the GOP Establishment, why would they welcome with open arms the guy who drummed some sense into their golden boy?

TheRightMan on June 11, 2014 at 5:05 PM

One bet I would offer is that whoever the Republican nominee is, that person will be our next president barring a very strong third party candidate.

Deano1952 on June 11, 2014 at 4:41 PM

Are you also offering a bet that the Cubs will win the World Series this year? Figure out for me how we’re going to get 270 electoral votes in 2016 running against Hillary.

J.S.K. on June 11, 2014 at 5:06 PM

The establishment GOP will tell us whatever we want to hear.

Mr. Arrogant on June 11, 2014 at 5:07 PM

Juan ran, but he couldn’t win.
Mitt ran, but he couldn’t win.
Jeb can run, but he can’t win.

Patterns are fun.

ElectricPhase on June 11, 2014 at 5:07 PM

If 2016 contenders cannot fathom that pandering to Latinos on immigration will NEVER work, then they deserve to lose to Hillary by double digits.

Who says Romney lost Latinos because of immigration? As if they were ever going to shun Obama and the Democrats for Romney. Even Bush the so-called “compassionate conservative”, how much of the Latino vote did he get?

Pandering to Latinos will NEVER win the White House. Common-sense conservatism will.

TheRightMan on June 11, 2014 at 5:09 PM

And on top of that, after so many weakish moderate candidates, you really really don’t think people aren’t fed up by this point and willing to try a third party candidate or just stay home rather than be backstabbed and insulted again?

Ukiah on June 11, 2014 at 5:03 PM

Some people may stay home, but I don’t see much of a future for any third-party presidential candidacy.

J.S.K. on June 11, 2014 at 5:10 PM

GOP candidates should study the issue and its history in this country.

Then, come up with some specific step to take and explain why they should be done.

BuckeyeSam on June 11, 2014 at 5:11 PM

BTW: Beckel is claiming that exit polls say that voters in Cantor’s district overwhelmingly supported the Schumer-Rubio bill.

WTF?

Immigration polls clearly turn on the questions asked.

BuckeyeSam on June 11, 2014 at 5:12 PM

Are you also offering a bet that the Cubs will win the World Series this year?

Not this year…next year!! :-)

Deano1952 on June 11, 2014 at 5:13 PM

These 5 are clear amnesty supporters, Avoid them.

Jeb Bush Amnesty Supporter .
Marco Rubio Amnesty Supporter.
Paul Ryan Amnesty Supporter.
Chris Christie Amnesty Supporter
Ben Carson Amnesty Supporter.

Unaffiliated4P on June 11, 2014 at 5:13 PM

Even Paul, after all, is leery of trying to win a confrontation with the establishment in a national race backed by nothing more than grassroots support.

So, no lesson learned from Brat, then; just keep f*cking that Chamber of Commerce driven amnesty chicken.

Great advice.

Midas on June 11, 2014 at 5:14 PM

Barack Obama: Human Trafficker and Child Predator.

VorDaj on June 11, 2014 at 4:57 PM

I’d like to see the red state governors band together and send the National Guard to the border. And since school is out, they can use the buses to start sending these people home to their families. This is a big Obama mess and one of our guys is going to inherit it. Better start acting presidential now.

monalisa on June 11, 2014 at 5:17 PM

Barack Obama: Human Trafficker and Child Predator.

VorDaj on June 11, 2014 at 4:57 PM

Seriously – I don’t know why people aren’t banging the ‘human trafficking’ drum to the high heavens.

Midas on June 11, 2014 at 5:18 PM

It’s part of their personality to think voters are idiots . They wont “get messages” until they’re voted out.

the_nile on June 11, 2014 at 5:18 PM

At this point, let’s #BringBackTheirBoysandGirls, spring for snacks and drinks, and buy their hometown a flat-panel TV to watch El Tri.

Christien on June 11, 2014 at 5:19 PM

The question we need to ask over and over again…

Why are DEMOCRATS in favor of allowing the U.S. to be INVADED by ILLEGAL aliens who have demonstrated their complete contempt for U.S. laws?

wren on June 11, 2014 at 5:21 PM

Cantor was on the radio in another acceptance concession speech and he sounded mad.

Fallon on June 11, 2014 at 4:48 PM

Delicious.

Midas on June 11, 2014 at 5:24 PM

Why are DEMOCRATS in favor of allowing the U.S. to be INVADED by ILLEGAL aliens who have demonstrated their complete contempt for U.S. laws?

wren on June 11, 2014 at 5:21 PM

Any questions?

ElectricPhase on June 11, 2014 at 5:26 PM

What cost Romney the Presidency was his failure to turn out the base. The GOP elites will never admit this. The dude won independents by 5 points for God’s sake. Any other election where that happened, the Republican nominee would’ve had a landslide victory. But not when 4 million of your own voters stay home.

Doughboy on June 11, 2014 at 4:45 PM

Romney made a lot of mistakes during campaign, but, I believe that his biggest mistake was choosing not to meet with Sarah Palin and ask for her help.

I kept begging Romney to fly to Alaska and meet with Sarah – work through their differences. If Romney had just put out the effort to meet with Sarah, and find a way to get her on board, in some fashion, she could have really turned the base out for him. I Think Sarah was one very important, missing element for Romney – I just don’t know what he was thinking – And, I have a feeling that she felt the same way.

Pork-Chop on June 11, 2014 at 5:28 PM

As traumatized as Republican candidates must be by Cantor’s destruction, they’re more traumatized, I think, by Romney’s margin among Latinos in 2012 after he backed “self-deportation” in the primaries to pander to righties.

Um, hmm. I think the reaction to this is “bullshit”.

I don’t know whether to castigate this comment as wool-headed, or castigate any Republicans who actually find themselves behaving as if this were true.

Romney got four percentage points less of the Hispanic vote than McCain did (27% vs 31%).

If that’s traumatizing, well… Brat more than offset that kind of swing – not in a small sliver of the electorate, by the way, but with a majority of his electorate – by actually not pissing in the face of his base, rather by embracing them and running on solid conservative principles.

Maybe the f*ckwitted spineless GOP should ponder that rather than running away from bullshit ghosts.

Midas on June 11, 2014 at 5:35 PM

Oh, come on. He hasn’t gotten on TV waving his dictionary around shrieking about the wingers yet.

chris0christies0donut on June 11, 2014 at 4:55 PM


Well
… neither has Brit Hume … yet

Personally, I think AP has been mentally kicking himself for NOT just following through on last night’s election Open Thread Headline by saying in the article …

“OK, I agree Graham’s going to win in SC but mark my words, Cantor is going down!

He could have been the “most quoted pundit” today.

;->

PolAgnostic on June 11, 2014 at 5:40 PM

“Anybody who looks at the system has to admit it’s broken,” the adviser said.

Rand needs to get a smarter adviser. I’m so tired of this “Immigration is Broken” canard. You can’t call a system “broken” when it’s NOT BEING IMPLEMENTED.

I don’t trust Libertarians on immigration to begin with. It sure as hell doesn’t help them sound more convincing when they start the conversation with dishonest language.

Murf76 on June 11, 2014 at 5:46 PM

Will the GOP’s 2016 contenders shift right on immigration?

Nope. Because amnesty was never about winning elections.

they’re more traumatized, I think, by Romney’s margin among Latinos in 2012 after he backed “self-deportation” in the primaries to pander to righties.

Funny, I don’t remember Bob Dole mentioning self-deportation when he clocked in at 23% Hispanic support. But who cares about that, let’s keep repeating the nonsensical meme that saying “self-deport”,which is about as non-offensive as one can be on this issue, is even worse than using the “n” word.

Pretty sad when the one writer here who is allegedly against amnesty can’t help but repeat establishment talking points. Quite revealing if you ask me.

xblade on June 11, 2014 at 5:51 PM

Who says Romney lost Latinos because of immigration?

TheRightMan

Lying amnesty shills, that’s who.

xblade on June 11, 2014 at 5:55 PM

Nope. They won’t shift right, and we will nominate some moderate loser. We followed up wave mid-term 1994 with Bob Dole in 1996. We followed up wave mid-term 2010 with Mitt Romney. We will follow up this mid-term with either Jeb Bush, Christie, or someone else that is soft on immigration.

jfkfc on June 11, 2014 at 6:07 PM

The problem with immigration reform was hit upon by Brit Hume, but unfortunately, his beltway mentality didn’t carry it far enough.

We desperately need immigration reform. I personally know 3 Mexican nationals, working here legally, who are exactly the kind of people we need in this country. They are constantly jerked around by the regulation and bureaucrats. They want immigration reform and roundly oppose any type of amnesty. They want everyone to have to follow the same rules they did.

But that is NOT what politicians, especially democrats, mean when they say immigration reform. It is not about making it easier for people who have and do follow the rules, work hard and want to make a better life like the 19th and early 20th century immigrants. They mean some form of amnesty and hand outs and “jump to the front of the line” for those who broke numerous immigration laws at a minimum.

So, the Brit Humes get frustrated at conservatives because they argue words have meaning and it’s not amnesty. We know that no matter what they call it, Obama is not going to enforce the laws or heck, even follow the laws, so it IS de-facto amnesty.

In short, we don’t trust the congress, the government or especially Obama to faithfully enforce the laws. Seal the border first. Prove that the gov’t will follow the law. THEN streamline the process for people who have come here legally and followed the rules. And then, and only then, can we have a discussion about illegal immigrants, after we have rebuilt some faith in our gov’t.

deepdiver on June 11, 2014 at 6:21 PM

Would a candidate like Jeb, by dint of embracing the establishment position on amnesty, be seen by conservatives as so remote from them, politically and culturally, that some small but significant number boycott the race? Before last night, I would have said no way.

Don’t you read the comments on your own site?
There’s no way in hell I’ll ever vote for Jeb – and I don’t care who he’s running against.

Any candidate who panders to K Street and the Chamber of Commerce on immigration will get the same treatment.

DRayRaven on June 11, 2014 at 6:25 PM

Uh, Cruz is also for “amnesty”:

Asked about what to do with the people here illegally, however, he stressed that he had never tried to undo the goal of allowing them to stay.

“The amendment that I introduced removed the path to citizenship, but it did not change the underlying work permit from the Gang of Eight,” he said during a recent visit to El Paso. Mr. Cruz also noted that he had not called for deportation or, as Mitt Romney famously advocated, self-deportation.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/13/us/cruz-tries-to-claim-the-middle-ground-on-immigration.html?_r=0

cdog0613 on June 11, 2014 at 6:33 PM

They never learn. Rand Paul is still shilling for Amnesty. Boehner is pushing for Amnesty on Aug 1. Grahamnesty we know how he will go

Brock Robamney on June 11, 2014 at 7:10 PM

You know, I used to buy that drek about the Evil Party and the Stupid Party.

I was wrong. What we have are the Evil party and the Stupidly Evil Party.

Neither of them are on the side of the people.

hachiban on June 11, 2014 at 7:10 PM

…forget about it!

KOOLAID2 on June 11, 2014 at 7:29 PM

cdog0613 on June 11, 2014 at 6:33 PM

I still don’t see where he supports an immigration plan proposed by the extreme right or left..

Brock Robamney on June 11, 2014 at 7:30 PM

This is seen all the time in business: An executive hires a ‘glowing resume’ or champions some cost saving new tech initiative, but can’t see that either are failing- The hubris is strong with these ones! They can’t all be the smartest men in the room, can they?

Their arrogance is their stepstone to defeat. Couldn’t happen to more deserving folks.

socalcon on June 11, 2014 at 7:31 PM

“Elections are almost never a referendum on one issue; they are a referendum on the people on the ballot,” the adviser said…

Tell that to 2010. It was referendum on Obamacare and Obamacare lost big time.

Theophile on June 12, 2014 at 1:56 AM

Megyn Kelly read part of an article from a paper of one of those central American countries, did anyone else see this? It basically said, children would enjoy sports be fed and learn English if they came up to the USA. I would like to know who is responsible for that. The first thing the country needs to do is to change the impression these people are getting. We need full page ads in every third world country letting them know we will deport any illegals caught.

magicbeans on June 12, 2014 at 10:09 AM

As the late Andrew Breitbart once said, politics is downstream from culture. If the political elites think we won’t vote on importing a replacement culture from the third world as our deciding issue, they’re in for quite a bit more “fallout”.

CapnObvious on June 12, 2014 at 11:42 AM