Bad sign: Cantor’s vanquisher surprised MSNBC host isn’t just celebrating his victory

posted at 2:01 pm on June 11, 2014 by Noah Rothman

After losing his primary to economics professor Dave Brat, Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA) revealed that he does not intend to run again as a write-in candidate. In December, the House Majority Leader will retire from Congress. Brat, running in a district with a Cook Partisan Voting Index rating of R+10, is highly likely to represent Virginia’s 7th in the 114th Congress.

And while tea party groups and talk radio hosts are celebrating the downfall of a Republican member of Congress who came to symbolize the “establishment,” there are indications that this enthusiasm is misplaced.

In the wake of his victory, Brat joined MSNBC host Chuck Todd on Wednesday where he received a gentle grilling and was asked for his position on a variety of policy matters. Brat seemed entirely unprepared to have to speak on issues of substance. In fact, he suggested – perhaps (hopefully) jokingly – that he thought Todd invited him on the program merely to celebrate his victory.

“Where are you on the minimum wage?” Todd began, starting off with a question right in this economics expert’s wheelhouse.

Brat railed against unspecific distorting effects on the market before he was prompted to say whether or not he thought a minimum wage should even exist? “I don’t have a well-crafted response on that one,” Brat replied.

…Okay. So, how about foreign policy?

“Would you be in favor of arming the Syrian rebels?” Todd asked.

“Hey, Chuck, I thought we were just going to chat today about the celebratory aspect,” Brat replied. “I’d love to go through all this, but my mind is just, uh, I didn’t get much sleep.”

“I love the policy questions, I’m happy to do more, but I just wanted to talk about the victory here,” he continued.

Sure, sleep deprivation will dull anyone’s wit. But any competent Republican campaigner should be able to endure the rendition tactics depicted in Zero Dark Thirty and emerge aware of the fact that MSNBC is not the place insurgent tea partiers go for softballs.

Maybe Brat was, as he said, merely exhausted from a long night following his primary victory. However, as The Washington Examiner’s Ashe Schow noted, “he’s going to have to get it together real quick now that he’s been thrust into the national spotlight.”


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It’s OVER 500! (Dragon ball Z scream)

coolrepublica on June 11, 2014 at 9:32 PM

From Michelle Malkin:

A source tipped me off last week to a curious occurrence: It seems that two planeloads of illegal aliens were recently shipped to Massachusetts. The first reportedly landed at Hanscom Air Force Base in Bedford. According to my tipster, approximately 160 illegal immigrants arrived on that flight and stayed nearly a week before being transferred to a Department of Homeland Security (DHS) site and then released.

The second flight reportedly was diverted from Hanscom to Boston’s Logan Airport this past weekend. I am told that both Massachusetts and New Hampshire officials were on hand. I reached out to Hanscom AFB for confirmation but did not receive a call back by my deadline.

Question: How many other military bases are stealthily being used to redistribute, house, process, and release illegal border crossers?

What we do know for sure is that the Obama administration already has converted several other military bases across the country into outposts for tens of thousands of illegal aliens from Central and South America.

It sounds as if Obama is actively recruiting illegals to flood our country. To “fundamentally transform” it, that’s for sure. People, stand up to this insanity before we don’t have “our” country anymore.

anotherJoe on June 11, 2014 at 9:34 PM

He and his staff better get with the program. Hopefully they are fast learners.

talkingpoints on June 11, 2014 at 9:34 PM

Is Noah Rothman a former DC staffer or something? The establishment is strong in this one. Is this the new norm for Hot Gas?

Hobo with a laptop on June 11, 2014 at 9:36 PM

Disturbing Brat avoided answers because that indicates big problem with articulating basic principles, which indicates a problem with basic principles. Matt Bevan would never have hesitated. To waffle on minimum wage?! Please. Hope we don’t have another Scott Brown here.

scriber on June 11, 2014 at 9:39 PM

anotherJoe on June 11, 2014 at 9:34 PM

This doesn’t seem to be something that could be kept under wraps.

Cindy Munford on June 11, 2014 at 9:42 PM

Meh, I wouldn’t be too concerned about one bumpy MSNBC interview. It’s not like he went all Todd Aiken or anything.

Texas Zombie on June 11, 2014 at 9:45 PM

Texas Zombie on June 11, 2014 at 9:45 PM

Read hepcat’s link at 8:29 pm, I think the context of the whole unedited conversation is reassuring.

Cindy Munford on June 11, 2014 at 9:48 PM

“If markets are bad, which they are, that means people are bad, which they are. Want good markets? Change the people. If there are not nervous twitches in the pews when we preach, then we are not doing our jobs,”

Dave Brat.

I’ll say again, this is a bad sign.

J.B. Say on June 11, 2014 at 9:57 PM

Sounds like he handled things well to me…

Kjeil on June 11, 2014 at 10:00 PM

How did this drivel get on Hot Air?

OMG OMG OMG, Brat didn’t take an MSNBC lapdog seriously. Oh Noes! what have we done?

I appreciate differing points of view on HA, but this is fatuous nonsense.

DaMav on June 11, 2014 at 10:02 PM

Let me make this clear to you as well. I don’t like you. I don’t need anyone to manage my affairs here at HA. If I did you would not have a chance in heII of acquiring the job. My free advice to you, mind your own affairs. I’ll mind mine. Savy? Just to be extra sure. I don’t care what your opinion is on any topic. Do you understand baby killer?

Bmore on June 11, 2014 at 9:19 PM

You couldn’t make your character more clear.

thuja on June 11, 2014 at 10:03 PM

That seat will be lost to a Democrat this fall. This is a loss for the GOP, and it will be a pro amnesty person.

The Republicans lose again. How sad.

Freeloader on June 11, 2014 at 10:03 PM

Sarah Palin: The status quo has got to go.

:-)

Fallon on June 11, 2014 at 10:03 PM

Freeloader on June 11, 2014 at 10:03 PM

Nope. It’s a safe Republican district. Thanks for your concern.

Fallon on June 11, 2014 at 10:04 PM

How the hell do you go on MSNBC thinking that you’ll only be talking about your victory? The most liberal and least trusted news network in America, hello??? What, did he expect Todd to pop open a bottle of champagne to celebrate with him. That is inexcusable, I don’t care how tired you are. I hope this is not a sign of things to come.

ncconservative on June 11, 2014 at 10:05 PM

Too many posts to see if this is already up:

MSNBC.com Deceptively Edits Dave Brat to Suggest He Was ‘Dodging’ Questions

No Chop Charlie on June 11, 2014 at 10:07 PM

Andres Cantor>Eric Cantor

Christien on June 11, 2014 at 10:09 PM

ncconservative on June 11, 2014 at 10:05 PM

Read the entire interview at the link hepcat has at 8:29, Prof. Brat did fine.

Cindy Munford on June 11, 2014 at 10:10 PM

Is Noah Rothman a former DC staffer or something? The establishment is strong in this one. Is this the new norm for Hot Gas?

Hobo with a laptop on June 11, 2014 at 9:36 PM

Don’t you have a position on the minimum wage and arming Syrian rebels? I know I do.

Recon5 on June 11, 2014 at 10:13 PM

You couldn’t make your character more clear.

thuja on June 11, 2014 at 10:03 PM

Good. The same can be and has been said of you. Find someone else to hassle.

Bmore on June 11, 2014 at 10:17 PM

Dave Brat.
I’ll say again, this is a bad sign.
J.B. Say on June 11, 2014 at 9:57 PM

Yeah. Sour grapes much? It is a bad sign for the Krispy Kremers and the rest of the extreme right

Brock Robamney on June 11, 2014 at 10:19 PM

You are uninformed and trying to spread bull schitt… shut up until you learn some free market economics.

ExpressoBold on June 11, 2014 at 6:40 PM

How am I uninformed when I would’ve supported Brat for just saying “no, I don’t support any minimum wage whatsoever”? Which is mostly likely his true position.

It isn’t politically damaging for him – he’ll walk his district, so why not articulate your vision clearly and in the most simplest terms possible?

uatu1878 on June 11, 2014 at 10:25 PM

For the LAST time, people….

There is NO Democrat on the ballot in Dave Brat’s 7th VA District.

For a Democrat challenger to compete, he or she will have to be a WRITE-IN candidate.

Good luck with that.

LibertyJane on June 11, 2014 at 10:26 PM

Brock Robamney on June 11, 2014 at 10:19 PM

Did you read the quote Brock? How can he defend free markets if he thinks that they are, in his religious view, bad?

J.B. Say on June 11, 2014 at 10:27 PM

500.

itsspideyman on June 11, 2014 at 10:35 PM

I’m very much a micro macro-fighter, thought the small fish don’t escape me.

Schadenfreude on June 11, 2014 at 8:45 PM

Oh well, too much joy today, and too much agony in Iraq and at the border. obama causes so much misery, especially for children.

Schadenfreude on June 11, 2014 at 10:43 PM

I’m very much a micro macro-fighter, thought though the small fish don’t escape me.

Schadenfreude on June 11, 2014 at 8:45 PM

Time for paying attention.

Schadenfreude on June 11, 2014 at 10:45 PM

That seat will be lost to a Democrat this fall. This is a loss for the GOP, and it will be a pro amnesty person.

The Republicans lose again. How sad.

Freeloader on June 11, 2014 at 10:03 PM

Right. An R+10 district will switch parties to vote for the Democrat based off of deceptively edited transcripts by MSNBC.

Apparently HotAir bloggers agree with the evil crazies at MSNBC when it suits Salem Communication’s corporate interests. And many commentators eat it up hook, line, and sinker.

Really sad.

NWConservative on June 12, 2014 at 12:34 AM

You see, Mr. Brat, we just can’t have you being a complete incompetent like our president or just about everyone else in Congress.

Sherman1864 on June 12, 2014 at 12:36 AM

And BTW, this district DOES have a Democrat challenger on the ballot. Virginia allows a party to nominate via a method other than the primary as long as it is done by 7 PM on 6/10/14. The Democrats met the deadline and will be on the ballot in November.

NWConservative on June 12, 2014 at 12:36 AM

Yikes. Noah, you are getting plastered in the comments on this thread and not undeservedly.

Building that Ark, yet?

Sherman1864 on June 12, 2014 at 12:44 AM

“he’s going to have to get it together real quick now that he’s been thrust into the national spotlight.”

That “national spotlight” is going to last maybe 72 hours and then he becomes just one of 400-some other House members running for a little district in Podunk, VA. He’ll likely be elected, will go to Washington and be pretty much an anonymous backbencher for several years. We aren’t going to hear much about him after this week is over.

crosspatch on June 12, 2014 at 12:58 AM

If I were him, those unspecified distorting effects on the marketplace would have been quite specific. To understand, look at Seattle, which just raised the minimum wage to $15. What are restaurant owners scrambling to do? A: raise prices. So, after the restaurant owners raise prices, and the supermarkets raise prices, and every local store raises prices, who is paying for the new minimum wage? And how will those people who are required to pay more for services treat this fact? How will businesses capable of moving out of Seattle act?

In essence, the delta in minimum wage between Seattle and other nearby places causes effects identical to those associated with the United States and other places with much lower floor salaries. It’s part of the reason almost all small goods we consume are made in China.

unclesmrgol on June 12, 2014 at 12:58 AM

Mistake NUMBER ONE going on MSNBC.

bluesdoc70 on June 12, 2014 at 1:05 AM

Wow. Some folks, just wow.

Bmore on June 12, 2014 at 1:16 AM

Freeloader on June 11, 2014 at 10:03 PM

Your concern is duly noted.

Dunedainn on June 12, 2014 at 2:03 AM

I thought he did fine. His main stumble was on the minimum wage, which he clearly does not like. But he did not want to say that out loud and have a “gotcha!” moment.

Sounds to me like his instincts are all on target.

Patterico on June 12, 2014 at 2:06 AM

I thought he did fine. His main stumble was on the minimum wage, which he clearly does not like. But he did not want to say that out loud and have a “gotcha!” moment.
Sounds to me like his instincts are all on target.
Patterico on June 12, 2014 at 2:06 AM

Brat is a Milton Friedman disciple. The extreme right and extreme left are exposing themselves. We hear from the elite what their definition of mainstream is. Well the primary results in VA shows loud and clear where the mainstream is. It is for individual liberty. You won’t see this analysis on Fox, or on mainstream news, but there we are. The VA primary was open to both parties. Brat took 60% of the vote. That’s a majority, that’s mainstream. Tim Scott takes 90% of the vote in his primary. Graham took only 56% against unknowns. Scott took that many votes because he has mainstream views. Yet, the extreme left and extreme right try to redefine mainstream, and the ideals that Dave Brat presents is their biggest threat to power, so they personally attack him

Brock Robamney on June 12, 2014 at 7:24 AM

Aftershocks.

kingsjester on June 12, 2014 at 8:41 AM

The guy is a college professor. He hasn’t been read into any current national events. 535 current Congressmen can’t answer the questions any better and most of them still aren’t qualified to make the decisions they’re making. I’m sure that he has an opinion on policy issues, but the MSNBC idiot was asking him to vote on the spot.

Can we let him get into congress before we begin to critique him?

cajunpatriot on June 12, 2014 at 8:45 AM

Bad Sign: Noah Rothman and Hot Air no better than Chuck Todd and MSNBC.

Hot Air should be ashamed of not updating this post and linking the full transcript that shows Brat did FINE and MSNBC tried to make him look bad by editing all his answers away. You expect that from MSNBC but for Hot Air to repeat the lie? Looks like the establishment will be playing on the Democrats side…again.

magicbeans on June 12, 2014 at 9:42 AM

magicbeans on June 12, 2014 at 9:42 AM

My understanding of Noahs decision not to update was because the post was about what had run on the tv. Perhaps he could do a separate post to highlight the treachery of the editors on the hit piece? Not sure of Noahs email addy here at HA. tips@hotair.com works though.

Bmore on June 12, 2014 at 9:49 AM

My understanding of Noahs decision not to update was because the post was about what had run on the tv. Perhaps he could do a separate post to highlight the treachery of the editors on the hit piece? Not sure of Noahs email addy here at HA. tips@hotair.com works though.

Bmore on June 12, 2014 at 9:49 AM

His post didn’t accurately report what had run on TV. The later revelation from News Busters is just icing on the cake. Evidently, this is the hill he wants to die on.

ElectricPhase on June 12, 2014 at 10:05 AM

Well the primary results in VA shows loud and clear where the mainstream is. It is for individual liberty. You won’t see this analysis on Fox, or on mainstream news, but there we are. The VA primary was open to both parties. Brat took 60% of the vote. That’s a majority, that’s mainstream. Tim Scott takes 90% of the vote in his primary. Graham took only 56% against unknowns. Scott took that many votes because he has mainstream views. Yet, the extreme left and extreme right try to redefine mainstream, and the ideals that Dave Brat presents is their biggest threat to power, so they personally attack him

Brock Robamney on June 12, 2014 at 7:24 AM

“That’s the majority, that’s the mainstream…”

Brock, I have to start with a criticism. It’s the majority…of “People who Pay attention” (nod to Jay Severin, there.) The uninitiated don’t come out for primaries and on our side, that needs to change. We also need to end open primaries…or at least not allow Democrats or registered Libertarians to take a GOP ballot.

“That’s mainstream”…mainstream GOP base, conservative base, mainstream? But it’s not the average voter.

In the Brat district, that county went for Obama. (Henrico)

But the entire 7th district has been redrawn to be “more conservative,” which to me is a good thing, and also means that the rep of those people did need to be tweaked up a little more conservative. But if Brat does not get people to the polls and the Obama BUSES show up, they can take an election with paid helpers from the SEIU. It’s only a congressional district. The vote from Ashland can subdue 100% of Cullpepper or Louisa coming out to vote on election day. If you don’t want to lose that seat to the democrat election day Turnout Machine, you have to make nice with the Cantor supporters who are feeling shocked today.

Cantor has to help, in exchange for a future run for Senate or Governor. Virginia could use more varied candidates, they are stagnant there…if you didn’t watch the Cuccinelli race and the shut down, you don’t know, but Virginia is a mess. They have libertarian streaks there that are pro pot and pro gay marriage who don’t care about letting the social liberals have their day. (They gave you Sarvis the potential spoiler.)

But to agree with you, there is nothing radical about Tim Scott, or Dave Brat, so far that I can tell….we’ll see if Brat is pro pot and pro gay marriage or Anti-GOP…does anyone know?

I don’t think Traditional American – Traditional American Free Market- Traditional American individual responsibility, should be labeled radical, it OUGHT to be Mainstream…I hope it is in that district, just beware be aware that there are enough single Medicaid mothers (to put on the SEUI buses) living ’round Ashland to spoil your idealism. They usual only vote in the General, or as a vote for Medicaid McAulliffe, so beware. Dave Brat is going to take your “insert goodie item here” away from you.

Fleuries on June 12, 2014 at 10:08 AM

But to agree with you, there is nothing radical about Tim Scott, or Dave Brat, so far that I can tell….we’ll see if Brat is pro pot and pro gay marriage or Anti-GOP…does anyone know?
I don’t think Traditional American – Traditional American Free Market- Traditional American individual responsibility, should be labeled radical, it OUGHT to be Mainstream…I hope it is in that district, just beware be aware that there are enough single Medicaid mothers (to put on the SEUI buses) living ’round Ashland to spoil your idealism. They usual only vote in the General, or as a vote for Medicaid McAulliffe, so beware. Dave Brat is going to take your “insert goodie item here” away from you.
Fleuries on June 12, 2014 at 10:08 AM

And that was my point. If that weren’t the case, why did Obama run on traditional marriage? Why does he quote (misquote) Reagan? But back to Brat, he was a Divinity student, who believes in free markets and Judeo Christian values. What I am concerned about is that we are on the cusp of a revolution, much like the Marxist revolution. Where Washington appears like the Bourgeois society, and we are the proletariat. Both parties are guilty of underestimating the ramifications of history. Back in 1775 we had the founding fathers who recognized the need for limited government. Now we have the aristocracy feeding on its excesses

Brock Robamney on June 12, 2014 at 10:23 AM

Is it possible for one to be an Economics professor and a lightweight simultaneously?

Brat might be that guy.

Steelweaver52 on June 12, 2014 at 10:25 AM

Is it possible for one to be an Economics professor and a lightweight simultaneously?

One doesn’t generally keep one’s job in academia if they are too conservative. I’ve read some of his papers. He seems to like the idea of global redistribution of wealth and buys into the Keynesian notion of $2 of GDP return for every $1 of government spending.

crosspatch on June 12, 2014 at 11:10 AM

ElectricPhase on June 12, 2014 at 10:05 AM

I have no tv. I will have to take your word on that.

Bmore on June 12, 2014 at 11:27 AM

Is Noah Rothman a former DC staffer or something? The establishment is strong in this one. Is this the new norm for Hot Gas?

Hobo with a laptop on June 11, 2014 at 9:36 PM

No, it’s not new.

It’s been going on for a few years now.

Hot Gas would definitely be a better name for the site.

hrh40 on June 12, 2014 at 11:33 AM

Can’t believe Rothman never updated this post with critical facts on how the interview was much longer and more detailed than MSDNC presented.

What a hack job by Rothman. Very disturbing from a formerly conservative website.

njrob on June 12, 2014 at 11:40 AM

People need to understand that the wage is not the only reason people will choose to work for one company or another. In most cases, employees will accept a position that offers training in a field they are interested in, and are willing to work for less in order to have their labor value lifted over time.

Especially young people. Employers are by nature willing to train employees, thereby enhancing their labor value. Raises ensue, inevitably, because there is an investment in time and resources, that the employer doesn’t wish to lose.

The other argument against a minimum wage, always forgotten, is the consumer. Labor costs go up, the price of the produced good or service goes up. Minimum wage is not a free lunch for anyone.

gwood on June 12, 2014 at 11:42 AM

WTH?

This is heartbreaking for me. I thought I’d found a reputable site to read/post on. Now this. Letting an heavily edited (by MSNBC) conversation stand as if it went completely different than it did and causing a newly elected conservative to be smeared as an idiot.

avagreen on June 12, 2014 at 11:50 AM

crosspatch on June 12, 2014 at 11:10 AM

Where did you get these papers? Got any links?

avagreen on June 12, 2014 at 12:08 PM

Where did you get these papers? Got any links?
avagreen on June 12, 2014 at 12:08 PM

These neocons are large on accusations but short on facts. They are much like the radical left in that what matters the most is the seriousness of the charge. They expose themselves on a daily basis. These very same people will then turnaround and say that amnesty is a conservative principle that must be preserved, and we must get rid of that First Amendment thingy

Brock Robamney on June 12, 2014 at 12:23 PM

Brock Robamney on June 12, 2014 at 10:23 AM

Yes, I did get your point, but Mainstream thinking to YOU is not the common parlance today. It no longer means what a cross segment of American society believes or even “what average Americans think.” You might have been able to sight “middle class values” in another era, but today, no one knows who you are talking about. Your thinking is Mainstream GOP or Mainstream Conservative, but the world is full of “Low information Voters.” Mainstream thinking has to involve numbers. 47% sticks in my craw somewhere.

“Average Americans” today, think it is ok for their daughter to move out of the house and get an apartment and food stamps and welfare to raise their grandchild in a home where a father is not present, at the expense of other taxpayers. “Everybody does it,” is mainstream.

Mainstream implies numbers of people thinking the same way. We don’t have numbers. We were short 150K votes for Romney in Virginia. Cuccinelli was short an enormous number of voters in Virginia. I did not think there was anything radical about Cuccinelli, he was a traditional family life American. But the Majority in Virginia voted for McCaulliffe, government spending, and “Change” and Medicaid Expansion in their vote for Governor just this past November. They voted for Warner and they voted for Kaine for Senate. It is hard to imagine.

The good news is, the number you need to coalesce, is about 33% of the general population to get your idea to market. The bad news is the 47% lurking out there. As long as the conservatives are fragmented and the 47% have buses, there will be NO Disenfranchisement.

Mainstream thinking, majority thinking. Cantor said it yesterday, there is very little the fractured Right does not agree on. Brat did not run on anything extreme, they will paint him that way in the media, “Brat, who is supported by extreme right wing Talk Radio Crazy Talkers…” They have to pull together in Virginia and work out whatever it is that ails them. Some of the personalities can’t get along, some of the GOP are too dependent on the big government cash/contracts from the military. I think that drives off some to the libertarian cause. When the majority of your state is liberal or paid for by big government, majority thinking and mainstream thinking is affected.

A lot of people who voted for Brat, did not think he would have an opponent. They thought it was “their seat.” Don’t let me down VA-7!

Fleuries on June 12, 2014 at 1:39 PM

Why did Hot Air hire someone from HuffPo’s labor pool?

RRFCL on June 12, 2014 at 2:03 PM

Fleuries on June 12, 2014 at 1:39 PM

You had me until Romney. He lost for a reason. He is an extreme right neocon.

Brock Robamney on June 12, 2014 at 3:20 PM

BUSTED! RINOS AT HOT AIR USE EDITED MSNBC GARBAGE TO ATTACK BRAT – NO RETRACTION

Newbusters has interview unedited…

conservativeBC on June 12, 2014 at 7:39 PM

Nice job, Noah. You’ll fit in well with the rest of the crowd here. Especially AP.

/smirk

gryphon202 on June 14, 2014 at 9:12 AM

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