Wow: California judge strikes down tenure for public-school teachers as violating students’ right to quality education

posted at 4:01 pm on June 10, 2014 by Allahpundit

I’m too much of a pessimist to believe this’ll stand on appeal and too much of a conservative not to be uneasy about constitutionalizing a new element of public policy, but let’s toast to the idea that the welfare of public-school students is more important than job security for public-school teachers.

They’ve been waiting for Superman, and now here he is. Momentous:

A Los Angeles Superior Court judge ruled Tuesday that teacher tenure laws deprive students of their constitutional right to an education, a decision that hands teachers’ unions a major defeat in a landmark case that overturns several California laws that govern the way teachers are hired and fired.

“Substantial evidence presented makes it clear to this court that the challenged statutes disproportionately affect poor and/or minority students,” Judge Rolf M. Treu wrote in the ruling. “The evidence is compelling. Indeed, it shocks the conscience.”…

The plaintiffs argued that California’s current laws made it impossible to get rid of low-performing and incompetent teachers, who were disproportionately assigned to schools filled with poor students. The result, they insisted, amounted to a violation of students’ constitutional rights to an education.

Campbell Brown wrote a piece for the Daily Beast a few weeks ago that summarizes the case. Nine public-school students sued the state for sticking them with crappy teachers, who, under California law, are eligible for lifetime tenure after just 18 months in the classroom. Once they’ve got tenure, it’s next to impossible to get rid of them — firing them for cause is a long, laborious process, and the longer they’re on the job, the harder it is to lay them off even for budgetary reasons. You know how this story goes. Question for the court: Whose rights trump? The teachers’ rights not to be fired without due process, as due process is defined under the tenure law, or the students’ rights to an education of the same basic quality as all public-school students are supposed to have? (The poorest schools, which tend to have more minority students, also tend to get the worst teachers.) Just to sweeten the pot, the students presented economic evidence that bad teachers can cost them tens of thousands of dollars — potentially more than a million per classroom — in future income by setting back their education.

Held: The students come first. The opinion’s just 16 pages, in case you’re eager to skim, but here’s a key bit from the end:

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The right to an equal education stems from California’s state constitution, not the U.S. Constitution, in case you’re wondering whether this decision might make its way up the food chain to the Supremes. The logic is easily replicable, though, by other state courts: So long as your state charter has a right to equal protection, which they all do, and some language suggesting a right to an education, union-drafted statutory bars to dismissing incompetent public-school teachers are in jeopardy. The peril lurking here is that the more you make education policy a creature of constitutional rules rather than statutory ones, the more you shift control over schools (and their budgets) to courts rather than the legislature. E.g., why couldn’t a left-leaning judge seize on this as precedent for requiring equal funding of all schools in California, irrespective of need, in the name of equal protection? On the other hand, the whole point of this decision is to make ossified law like the tenure rules more flexible for administrators, which is basically the opposite of how constitutional rulings tend to work. Instead of freezing a law in place, it’s melting the ice, a la a bankruptcy ruling that liquidates toxic contracts.

A lefty pal flags another part of the opinion:

Right, that’s part of it. Minority students are being burdened with the worst teachers; distribute them more equitably throughout the system and teacher quality will improve in the worst schools even if no one gets fired. But … why distribute them at all? Can them straightaway and bring in better teachers and the system as a whole will improve. Equality is good, more quality is even better.


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students’ constitutional rights to an education.

Can’t seem to find this one.

mankai on June 10, 2014 at 4:06 PM

“…but let’s toast to the idea that the welfare of public-school students is more important than job security for public-school teachers.”

*Clinky!*

;)

Seven Percent Solution on June 10, 2014 at 4:06 PM

Because the point of schools is to have unionized job banks for teachers, not to provide a good education for students.

- NEA

Good Lt on June 10, 2014 at 4:06 PM

but let’s toast to the idea that the welfare of public-school students is more important than job security for public-school teachers.

Chinchin

Meanwhile Detroit will be bailed out.

Schadenfreude on June 10, 2014 at 4:07 PM

Bishop!

Ricard on June 10, 2014 at 4:07 PM

…darn…

Ricard on June 10, 2014 at 4:07 PM

NEA to organize a protest at this judge’s home in 5…4…3…2..

Bitter Clinger on June 10, 2014 at 4:08 PM

Best option: ban public unions. All public unions.

BKeyser on June 10, 2014 at 4:08 PM

Well, a blow to the teachers unions is always good.

Iffy on the constitutional thing, but if it’s in California’s state constitution, oh well.

Vanceone on June 10, 2014 at 4:08 PM

…oh Oh!

KOOLAID2 on June 10, 2014 at 4:08 PM

Can’t seem to find this one.

mankai on June 10, 2014 at 4:06 PM

That’s because it derives from the California state constitution. Like I said in this very post.

Allahpundit on June 10, 2014 at 4:09 PM

mankai on June 10, 2014 at 4:06 PM

It’s in state constitutions, not the federal one.

alwaysfiredup on June 10, 2014 at 4:09 PM

Allahpundit on June 10, 2014 at 4:09 PM

Jinx…

alwaysfiredup on June 10, 2014 at 4:10 PM

Wait until the millions of kids from South of Mexico are added to the mix.

The land is destroyed from the right. They enable obama with the illegal influx.

It’s trickle up misery.

Schadenfreude on June 10, 2014 at 4:12 PM

Can’t seem to find this one.

mankai on June 10, 2014 at 4:06 PM

As Allah pointed out:

The right to an equal education stems from California’s state constitution, not the U.S. Constitution, in case you’re wondering whether this decision might make its way up the food chain to the Supremes.

nextgen_repub on June 10, 2014 at 4:12 PM

New Jersey has the same constitutional right to “quality education”, which was leveraged by leftist lawgivers-in-black into untold billions poured into educational black holes (pun intended) in Newark, Trenton, and Camden. It would be nothing short of a miracle to see this chapter of the state constitution used to benevolent ends.

Rix on June 10, 2014 at 4:13 PM

Jinx…

alwaysfiredup on June 10, 2014 at 4:10 PM

Crap…double jinx?

nextgen_repub on June 10, 2014 at 4:13 PM

Can them straightaway and bring in better teachers

Even in the current circumstances, getting quality people to join a teachers union ain’t gonna be easy.

corona79 on June 10, 2014 at 4:13 PM

Campbell Brown wrote a piece for the Daily Beast a few weeks ago that summarizes the case. Nine public-school students sued the state for sticking them with crappy teachers, who, under California law, are eligible for lifetime tenure after just 18 months in the classroom.

WHA?!? Well frankly, this does seem like the right decision. 18 months of work and tenure for life?!? Insanity.

libfreeordie on June 10, 2014 at 4:14 PM

Shades of Mendez v Westminster…

originalpechanga on June 10, 2014 at 4:14 PM

New Jersey has the same constitutional right to “quality education”, which was leveraged by leftist lawgivers-in-black into untold billions poured into educational black holes (pun intended) in Newark, Trenton, and Camden. It would be nothing short of a miracle to see this chapter of the state constitution used to benevolent ends.

Rix on June 10, 2014 at 4:13 PM

Thanks for admitting conservative education policy really is all about race.

libfreeordie on June 10, 2014 at 4:15 PM

You have to start somewhere.

formwiz on June 10, 2014 at 4:16 PM

I’d like to know the specifics and how crappy the kids’ teachers really were. Just getting some of the details out in the open is important. (And I’m not doubting the kids’ case; the teachers were likely really bad. I just think that it is important for the public to understand how bad is bad.

Illinidiva on June 10, 2014 at 4:16 PM

The slave of HA is nothing if not a racist.

Schadenfreude on June 10, 2014 at 4:16 PM

That shriek you heard was from DNC headquarters seeing their gravy train of teacher union dues drying up.

Just like with Conyers, this one will get “fixed” in the higher courts. Benedict Roberts will rule teacher tenure is a tax.

ConstantineXI on June 10, 2014 at 4:17 PM

Politico headline …..huge loss for ca teacher union

Screw the kiddies

cmsinaz on June 10, 2014 at 4:18 PM

Allahpundit on June 10, 2014 at 4:09 PM

Was waiting for you to pounce..and you did.

ToddPA on June 10, 2014 at 4:19 PM

California Teacher Tenure Laws Ruled Unconstitutional

The NY Slimes are bleeding, bleeding, bleeding.

Schadenfreude on June 10, 2014 at 4:20 PM

Best option: ban public unions. All public unions.

BKeyser on June 10, 2014 at 4:08 PM

This…

PointnClick on June 10, 2014 at 4:20 PM

under California law, are eligible for lifetime tenure after just 18 months in the classroom.

WHA?!? Well frankly, this does seem like the right decision. 18 months of work and tenure for life?!? Insanity.

libfreeorgan on June 10, 2014 at 4:14 PM

…you’re just jealous…that you have to move so often!

KOOLAID2 on June 10, 2014 at 4:20 PM

students’ constitutional rights to an education.

Can’t seem to find this one.
mankai on June 10, 2014 at 4:06 PM
The right to an equal education stems from California’s state constitution, not the U.S. Constitution, in case you’re wondering whether this decision might make its way up the food chain to the Supremes.

Silly wabbit… ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on June 10, 2014 at 4:21 PM

Any rulings on California’s State Constitution can be overturned by the Supreme Court. Don’t you remember Prop 8?

cptacek on June 10, 2014 at 4:24 PM

“I’m melting… melting… what a world….”

Akzed on June 10, 2014 at 4:24 PM

WHA?!? Well frankly, this does seem like the right decision. 18 months of work and tenure for life?!? Insanity.

libfreeorgan on June 10, 2014 at 4:14 PM

Right. Like you didn’t know about public education tenure.

Of course it isn’t 18 months in my state…here, it’s 36 months. That means if you are a whipper-snapper of a student, you have tenure for LIFE when you are 25!!!!!

Hell, our military personnel don’t have THAT!

ladyingray on June 10, 2014 at 4:24 PM

Can’t seem to find this one.
mankai on June 10, 2014 at 4:06 PM
The right to an equal education stems from California’s state constitution, not the U.S. Constitution, in case you’re wondering whether this decision might make its way up the food chain to the Supremes.

Silly wabbit… ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on June 10, 2014 at 4:21 PM

Which means the federal courts have no authority to intervene here, not that it will stop them.

ConstantineXI on June 10, 2014 at 4:25 PM

Best option: ban public unions. All public unions.

BKeyser on June 10, 2014 at 4:08 PM

This…

PointnClick on June 10, 2014 at 4:20 PM

Yep.

ladyingray on June 10, 2014 at 4:25 PM

This is excellent news….especially coming from a judge in Califexico….

workingclass artist on June 10, 2014 at 4:25 PM

Thanks for admitting conservative education policy really is all about race.

libfreeordie on June 10, 2014 at 4:15 PM

What’s liberal education all about? oh yeah. Massive failure.

HotAirian on June 10, 2014 at 4:25 PM

Unfortunately, the logic of AP’s lefty friend will prevail. Those unions are the backbone of Democrat control of the state and politicians from Sacramento down to the local school board simply aren’t going to risk antagonizing them. Redistribution of the worst teachers throughout the system is more in accordance with the leftist redistributionist impulse than improving anything, anyway. Share the misery.

de rigueur on June 10, 2014 at 4:26 PM

students’ constitutional rights to an education.

Can’t seem to find this one.
mankai on June 10, 2014 at 4:06 PM

The right to an equal education stems from California’s state constitution, not the U.S. Constitution, in case you’re wondering whether this decision might make its way up the food chain to the Supremes.

Silly wabbit… ;-)
Newtie and the Beauty on June 10, 2014 at 4:21 PM

*Edited for clarity…

Newtie and the Beauty on June 10, 2014 at 4:27 PM

As Allah pointed out:

The right to an equal education stems from California’s state constitution, not the U.S. Constitution, in case you’re wondering whether this decision might make its way up the food chain to the Supremes.

nextgen_repub on June 10, 2014 at 4:12 PM

Still a Giant Blow.since this is a giant public employee union in a giant state school system. Sets a judicial precedent.

workingclass artist on June 10, 2014 at 4:28 PM

An oasis of sanity in the Land of Fruits*, Flakes, and Nuts.

* As in fruitcake.

Resist We Much on June 10, 2014 at 4:28 PM

Judges bought out by the Koch bros.
/

El_Terrible on June 10, 2014 at 4:29 PM

Retweeted by The Associated Press
AP Politics @AP_Politics · 2h

California judge rules public school teacher tenure law unconstitutional, reports @Lindadeutsch. http://apne.ws/1hMoCsr

Judge strikes down California teacher tenure
By LINDA DEUTSCH
— Jun. 10, 2014 3:54 PM EDT
***************************

“The students who brought this lawsuit are, unfortunately, just nine out

of millions of young people in America

who are disadvantaged by laws, practices and systems that fail to identify and support our best teachers and match them with our neediest students,” he said. “Today’s court decision is a mandate to fix these problems.”

The lawsuit was brought by Beatriz Vergara and eight other students who said they were saddled with teachers who let classrooms get out of control, came to school unprepared and in some cases told them they’d never make anything of themselves.

The lawsuit was backed by wealthy Silicon Valley entrepreneur David Welch’s nonprofit group Students Matter, which assembled a high-profile legal team including Boutrous, who represented President George W. Bush before the U.S. Supreme Court in the 2000 Florida election recount.

The lawsuit was backed by wealthy Silicon Valley entrepreneur David Welch’s nonprofit group Students Matter,

http://studentsmatter.org/

which assembled a high-profile legal team including Boutrous, who represented President George W. Bush before the U.S. Supreme Court in the 2000 Florida election recount.
(More..)
==========

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/california-judge-could-change-teacher-job-security

canopfor on June 10, 2014 at 4:29 PM

There is a distinct difference; the teacher isn’t required to work, whereas the student has a requirement to go to school.

Tater Salad on June 10, 2014 at 4:29 PM

Thanks for admitting conservative education policy really is all about race.

libfreeordie on June 10, 2014 at 4:15 PM

Thanks for trolling with us. Do you have software that monitors Hot Air discussions for the word “black”, or you do it manually?

Now, the problem has less with race and more with reality, of which you are blissfully unaware. I suggest you start your education by googling up “abbott district nj”, then – after laying off the crack pipe – you may realize why I tend to be majorly pissed off about this particular issue.

Rix on June 10, 2014 at 4:30 PM

Thanks for admitting conservative education policy really is all about race.

libfreeordie on June 10, 2014 at 4:15 PM

University of North Carolina did itself proud in their African American Studies curriculum. Look it up.

butch on June 10, 2014 at 4:30 PM

Because the point of schools is to have unionized job banks for teachers, not to provide a good education for students.

- NEA

Good Lt on June 10, 2014 at 4:06 PM

You’re just short of halfway there-

… to have a unionized job bank of public employees whose union dues are collected by the state government that is ostensibly managed by elected officials whose campaigns are financed by public unions who funnel dues money back to the officials who collected it for the union to begin with.

And people wonder why so many public employees seemas dumb as inbreds.

M240H on June 10, 2014 at 4:30 PM

The lawsuit was brought by Beatriz Vergara:

Testimony of Beatriz Vergara – Vergara v. California Trial Day 12
*****************************************************************

Beatriz Vergara is a 15-year-old public high school student in California and the named plaintiff in the Vergara v. California lawsuit. Learn more at studentsmatter.org.

http://vimeo.com/86567820

canopfor on June 10, 2014 at 4:31 PM

The problem for the left is that these under-performing teachers are almost entirely those hired as a result of affir. action. And that’s the case in nearly every district across the country that practices affir. action. It’s a dirty little secret that no one wants to talk about. Well it looks like they’re going to have to talk about it now. When you’re hiring on skin color alone, as most public schools do, it tends to impact teacher quality.

Rational Thought on June 10, 2014 at 4:31 PM

I love how lefties are fine with having lousy teachers have jobs for life. As long as we distribute them fairly.

Too funny.

Why is any job – teacher, fireman, policemen, secretary – protected? Why can’t public employees be fired for any reason at any time?

Sure, there will be some abuse of this – newly elected/appointed people hiring friends and family – just like there is in the private sector. But, for the most part, people want to work with and have working for them the best possible employees. Good employees who lose jobs because of this will find other jobs. Because they are good employees.

And, the people who abuse the system in this way will suffer in the end because they’ll have lousy employees working for them.

And, it’s not like the system in place in most states now isn’t abused anyway. Anyone who thinks that the civil service systems in any state are not gamed, you’re naïve. Go into any police department or fire station, for instance, and you will find tons of father/sons/brothers/cousins working in the same department. You will tell me that is just coincidence and that they all got the jobs by passing the civil service exam with a high score and earned the job independently. right. I have a bridge to sell you too.

Monkeytoe on June 10, 2014 at 4:32 PM

Thanks for admitting conservative education policy really is all about race.

libfreeordie on June 10, 2014 at 4:15 PM

libfreeordie:


Your Fact Pattern is Boinked Up!!

canopfor on June 10, 2014 at 4:32 PM

In what other profession would one get tenure after 18 months? That just makes no sense to me….

Raquel Pinkbullet on June 10, 2014 at 4:32 PM

Thanks for admitting conservative education policy really is all about race. libfreeordie on June 10, 2014 at 4:15 PM

Have you ever noticed that the worst schools are in cities and districts that have been run by Democrats forever? Have you ever noticed that?

Akzed on June 10, 2014 at 4:32 PM

What will be interesting is the fact that Brown vs the Board of Education was cited in the ruling, 2nd to Roe vs Wade in the hierarchy of Holy Court Rulings to the left.

To argue that teachers have a greater right to suck than students do to an education means arguing against that decision. The blue-on-blue violence here will be entertaining.

ConstantineXI on June 10, 2014 at 4:32 PM

University of North Carolina did itself proud in their African American Studies curriculum. Look it up.

butch on June 10, 2014 at 4:30 PM

I’ve yet to figure out what African American Studies is for, or what it’s value is to a higher education.

Tater Salad on June 10, 2014 at 4:33 PM

This is excellent news….especially coming from a judge in Califexico….

workingclass artist on June 10, 2014 at 4:25 PM

Hopefully this will encourage parents across the country…wish I’d thought of this when my son was still in public school.

ladyingray on June 10, 2014 at 4:33 PM

Your Fact Pattern is Boinked Up!!

canopfor on June 10, 2014 at 4:32 PM

Choomed in CO has only one pattern; he’s a racist.

Schadenfreude on June 10, 2014 at 4:33 PM

This is excellent news….especially coming from a judge in Califexico….

workingclass artist on June 10, 2014 at 4:25 PM

Well if you think about it, schools with the poorest kids probably have a large immigrant population. As such, the ruling could end up redistributing the best teachers to these schools.

Slightly wealthier (upper/middle class) schools will get stuck with the worst teachers, and the rich people will still send their kids to private school.

El_Terrible on June 10, 2014 at 4:33 PM

In what other profession would one get tenure after 18 months? That just makes no sense to me….

Raquel Pinkbullet on June 10, 2014 at 4:32 PM

See obama.

Schadenfreude on June 10, 2014 at 4:33 PM

…you’re just jealous…that you have to move so often!

KOOLAID2 on June 10, 2014 at 4:20 PM

I honestly can’t tell if you think this is a real insult, and are therefore just really dumb, or you simply don’t understand academia…

libfreeordie on June 10, 2014 at 4:34 PM

I smell an Obama executive action coming up on this. Teachers unions are huge cash cows for the criminal and totalitarian democrat party. Just remember that the teacher unions are all about the children and not about the money. Never at all about the money.

off topic but I bet when we get down to this somehow, someway this is going to be due to Chuck Hagel.

jukin3 on June 10, 2014 at 4:35 PM

I honestly can’t tell if you think this is a real insult, and are therefore just really dumb, or you simply don’t understand academia…

libfreeordie on June 10, 2014 at 4:34 PM

Understanding academia is easy; it’s for people who are well educated but not very smart.

Tater Salad on June 10, 2014 at 4:35 PM

The problem for the left is that these under-performing teachers are almost entirely those hired as a result of affir. action. And that’s the case in nearly every district across the country that practices affir. action. It’s a dirty little secret that no one wants to talk about. Well it looks like they’re going to have to talk about it now. When you’re hiring on skin color alone, as most public schools do, it tends to impact teacher quality.

Rational Thought on June 10, 2014 at 4:31 PM

If you could point to a single shred of evidence for any of these claims, that’d be nice.

libfreeordie on June 10, 2014 at 4:36 PM

Redistribution of the worst teachers throughout the system is more in accordance with the leftist redistributionist impulse than improving anything, anyway. Share the misery.

de rigueur on June 10, 2014 at 4:26 PM

You mean like molesting priests? I thought that was a rightist thing…

ladyingray on June 10, 2014 at 4:36 PM

Admittedly it was about a thousand years ago, but I performed my student teaching requirement (toward a degree in Elementary Ed) from a small West Texas College (now, University, ahem)in a very small West Texas town and at the only Elem. school. I ‘interned’ under the math ‘teacher’. Within minutes of observing his methods and level of competence in attempting to ‘teach’ a class of a mix of Hispanic and Anglo ranchers’ kids, I took over the class(es) and finished out the semester as the primary teacher. Even then, I recognized the need to do away with tenure, although, as a future one myself, I also recognized that in the alternative I needed to step up my game as well.

vnvet on June 10, 2014 at 4:36 PM

While I applaud the intent of this ruling, it can cut the other way as well. What if a teacher speaks postively about Adam Smith’s book “Wealth of Nations” and endorses the success of free market economies and then the liberal school administration deems him an unsatisfactory teacher and fires him because “everyone knows capitalism is bad”. Civil Service was created to protect public servants from politics. Sadly, due to politics, civil service protections have served to protect those who are bad public servants.

KW64 on June 10, 2014 at 4:36 PM

Best option: ban public unions. All public unions.

BKeyser on June 10, 2014 at 4:08 PM

This…

PointnClick on June 10, 2014 at 4:20 PM

Yep.

ladyingray on June 10, 2014 at 4:25 PM

Dittos.

slickwillie2001 on June 10, 2014 at 4:36 PM

I honestly can’t tell if you think this is a real insult, and are therefore just really dumb, or you simply don’t understand academia…

libfreeordie on June 10, 2014 at 4:34 PM

The main problem with academia is left wing zealots like you posing as real “teachers” and indoctrinating students.

Raquel Pinkbullet on June 10, 2014 at 4:37 PM

The problem for the left is that these under-performing teachers are almost entirely those hired as a result of affir. action. And that’s the case in nearly every district across the country that practices affir. action. It’s a dirty little secret that no one wants to talk about. Well it looks like they’re going to have to talk about it now. When you’re hiring on skin color alone, as most public schools do, it tends to impact teacher quality.

Rational Thought on June 10, 2014 at 4:31 PM

I did a lot of work with a large urban public school district a few years ago that required me to review tons of teacher personnel files. I was amazed, reading through those files, at how poor these teachers’ writing was (they had various letters they’d written and other things in the files). Lousy grammar, poor spelling, run-on sentences, almost as if they did not graduate high-school. Yet most of them had their “masters” in “education”.

Meeting with them reinforced their general lack of education despite their “masters” in “education”.

Monkeytoe on June 10, 2014 at 4:37 PM

It would be interesting to see how the process of identifying “crappy” teachers would work.

EA_MAN on June 10, 2014 at 4:38 PM

Understanding academia is easy; it’s for people who are well educated but not very smart.

Tater Salad on June 10, 2014 at 4:35 PM

My boyfriend works in a large corporate bureaucracy. From what I can tell, your worlds are run by not-too-bright people who are good at “playing the game” i.e. kissing the right people’s @asses and “delegating” to more competent underlings. If anything is a meritocracy, it’s the academy. Either your book gets published by a tenure worthy publisher or it doesn’t. Either your articles come out, or they don’t. No amount of “networking” as you call it, can overcome that. Your world is based on who likes to play golf with who, and the academy is supposed to be jealous of the private sector’s efficiency? Ha!

libfreeordie on June 10, 2014 at 4:39 PM

KW64 on June 10, 2014 at 4:36 PM

That happens now, more often the higher up you go.

Akzed on June 10, 2014 at 4:39 PM

It would be interesting to see how the process of identifying “crappy” teachers would work.

EA_MAN on June 10, 2014 at 4:38 PM

Give them the test from the syllabus they are teaching to see if they can pass, if not then they would be gone.

Tater Salad on June 10, 2014 at 4:39 PM

Even then, I recognized the need to do away with tenure, although, as a future one myself, I also recognized that in the alternative I needed to step up my game as well.

vnvet on June 10, 2014 at 4:36 PM

And yet, you gleefully cloaked yourself under the tenure umbrella, right? ;)

ladyingray on June 10, 2014 at 4:40 PM

Never understood tenure for high school and elementary school teachers. Tenure for college professors is there to provide security that allows for freedom on inquiry in original research, but why does something teaching pre-algebra need that kind of security?

PackerBronco on June 10, 2014 at 4:41 PM

Thanks for admitting conservative education policy really is all about race.

libfreeordie on June 10, 2014 at 4:15 PM

So sayeth the dude for which EVERYTHING is about race.

White liberals really do ruin everything……

libfreeordie on September 7, 2013 at 11:50 AM

I’m reminded of this moonbat from yesterday:

Moonbat Activist Raped By Black Man During Trip To Haiti. . . Blames White Men’s “Oppressive Policies” For It…

Resist We Much on June 10, 2014 at 4:42 PM

Understanding academia is easy; it’s for people who are well educated but not very smart.

Tater Salad on June 10, 2014 at 4:35 PM

My boyfriend works in a large corporate bureaucracy. From what I can tell, your worlds are run by not-too-bright people who are good at “playing the game” i.e. kissing the right people’s @asses and “delegating” to more competent underlings. If anything is a meritocracy, it’s the academy. Either your book gets published by a tenure worthy publisher or it doesn’t. Either your articles come out, or they don’t. No amount of “networking” as you call it, can overcome that. Your world is based on who likes to play golf with who, and the academy is supposed to be jealous of the private sector’s efficiency? Ha!

libfreeordie on June 10, 2014 at 4:39 PM

Our current ex-scholar, ex-professor, ex-community organizer of a President, is the perfect example of what I am talking about.

Well educated, but not too bright.

Tater Salad on June 10, 2014 at 4:43 PM

libfreeordie on June 10, 2014 at 4:39 PM

Yeah, having a TA do your work is a grinding meritocracy.

Akzed on June 10, 2014 at 4:43 PM

Yet most of them had their “masters” in “education”.

Meeting with them reinforced their general lack of education despite their “masters” in “education”.

Monkeytoe on June 10, 2014 at 4:37 PM

From what I understand, one of the easier degrees to earn. A college degree in many fields of study is not worth the paper the diploma is printed on.

hawkeye54 on June 10, 2014 at 4:43 PM

It would be interesting to see how the process of identifying “crappy” teachers would work.

EA_MAN on June 10, 2014 at 4:38 PM

No it wouldn’t. We know what quality education looks like, it exists in the nation’s boarding schools and prestigious private schools. And no, that does not include charter schools. If charter schools offered a quality education than elite families would send their kids to them, instead of to well-regarded private and boarding schools. If we applied the pedagogical standards of private education to public education, you would have a massive teaching shortage because private schools tend to hire folks with MAs/PhDs or who went to small liberal arts colleges that de-emphasized testing over experiential and humanistic learning. Ironically, the people who send their kids to prestigious private schools often vote for politicians who want more testing in public schools, despite the fact that, clearly, testing is not the ideal mode of k-12 education. I wonder why that is…

libfreeordie on June 10, 2014 at 4:45 PM

E.g., why couldn’t a left-leaning judge seize on this as precedent for requiring equal funding of all schools in California, irrespective of need, in the name of equal protection?

Wasn’t that exactly the reasoning used eons ago in Kansas, when a state judge ordered increases in both taxes and spending levels to support higher spending in historically minority schools?

And doesn’t New Jersey use reasoning similar to this in allocating state aid and limiting spending in wealthy school districts so as to prevent disproportionate spending levels across districts?

In other words, I think that horse already left the barn.

MTF on June 10, 2014 at 4:46 PM

Either your book gets published by a tenure worthy publisher or it doesn’t. Either your articles come out, or they don’t. No amount of “networking” as you call it, can overcome that. Your world is based on who likes to play golf with who, and the academy is supposed to be jealous of the private sector’s efficiency? Ha!

libfreeordie on June 10, 2014 at 4:39 PM

So working with the “right” researcher/professor has NOTHING to do with your article getting published?

I’m beginning to suspect your knowledge of how academia works is as faulty as your knowledge of the private sector’s efficiency.

questionmark on June 10, 2014 at 4:47 PM

Well educated, but not too bright.

Tater Salad on June 10, 2014 at 4:43 PM

Really, do we actually have the proof he was well educated. Indoctrinated, yes, but I mean, warming a seat in a classroom isn’t actually proof of an education. Providing verifiable school transcripts might be proof, if they exist.

hawkeye54 on June 10, 2014 at 4:47 PM

Thanks for admitting conservative education policy really is all about race.

libfreeordie on June 10, 2014 at 4:15 PM

Why play the race card?

libfreeordie on May 4, 2014 at 11:40 PM

Aside from the fact that leftists introduced it…

Schadenfreude on June 10, 2014 at 4:47 PM

Resist We Much on June 10, 2014 at 4:42 PM

As usual, RWM, your hypocrisy on race in HotAir comments overflows. My comment was in response to a poster who argued that Newark, Trenton and Camden were “black holes (pun intended)” for education funding, but you have no words for them. Wonder why…

libfreeordie on June 10, 2014 at 4:48 PM

That’s because it derives from the California state constitution. Like I said in this very post.

Allahpundit on June 10, 2014 at 4:09 PM

They’ll never get away with it. The schools there have always been abysmal.

crankyoldlady on June 10, 2014 at 4:48 PM

Education departments are sinks of despond for those who couldn’t hack it in their initial chosen field of study.

Akzed on June 10, 2014 at 4:49 PM

Academic tenure candidates don’t engage in a little subtle ass kissing to committee members? Ha!

butch on June 10, 2014 at 4:49 PM

This will last about two weeks.

Tard on June 10, 2014 at 4:49 PM

Civil Service was created to protect public servants from politics. Sadly, due to politics, civil service protections have served to protect those who are bad public servants.

KW64 on June 10, 2014 at 4:36 PM

Welcome to the real world!!! The world where you can be fired, with no fault of your own (lack of guidance), by your supers because you make them look “bad”.

Sucks, right!?!?!?! Until you understand the economics of the “other side”.

Private “servants” aren’t protected from politics. Why should MY tax dollars prevent bad public servants?

ladyingray on June 10, 2014 at 4:49 PM

Newark, Trenton and Camden were “black holes (pun intended)” for education funding, but you have no words for them. Wonder why… libfreeordie on June 10, 2014 at 4:48 PM

And which political party has run those cities since time immemorial?

Akzed on June 10, 2014 at 4:50 PM

Wonder if the jack-booted thugs of the teacher’s union will be gathering outside the judge’s home in order to show their displeasure?

Maybe they can borrow some of the thugs from SEIU.

GarandFan on June 10, 2014 at 4:51 PM

I’m too much of a pessimist to believe this’ll stand on appeal and too much of a conservative not to be uneasy about constitutionalizing a new element of public policy, but let’s toast to the idea that the welfare of public-school students is more important than job security for public-school teachers.

The NEA is still lying there where they fainted at that notion.

“Oh the humanity!! What is this world coming to!”

There Goes the Neighborhood on June 10, 2014 at 4:51 PM

Can’t seem to find this one.

It’s in the California State Constitution, not the US Constitution. This was a state case, not a federal case. States can enumerate rights beyond those in the US constitution, but they olny apply to that state. So long as they do not conflict with the Federal Constitution.

patches on June 10, 2014 at 4:52 PM

canopfor on June 10, 2014 at 4:32 PM

Choomed in CO has only one pattern; he’s a racist.

Schadenfreude on June 10, 2014 at 4:33 PM

Schadenfreude: Tru Dats!:)

canopfor on June 10, 2014 at 4:52 PM

If charter schools offered a quality education than elite families would send their kids to them, instead of to well-regarded private and boarding schools.

Where I live, that’s exactly what people do. The Charter schools are just as good or better than the private schools. And, lest you wonder what kind of community I live in, it’s a college town where families are acutely aware of the need for high level preparation for college admission. In NYC, nearby our community, several Charter Schools are very high performing as well (though there are also some incredibly high performing test-in public schools too), especially in poor areas.

In other words, in our area Charter schools do very well and your comment about charter schools not being good educational choices needs a little nuance.

MTF on June 10, 2014 at 4:53 PM

So working with the “right” researcher/professor has NOTHING to do with your article getting published?

Nothing? I mean if you’re going to work in absolutes, it’s becomes easy to dismiss your argument. Of course a dissertation advisor can open doors. Letters of recommendation are an important part of the job process. But when it comes to tenure? No dice. Admittedly, the science fields have so many multi-authored publications, that side of things is a bit more corporate than in the humanities. 9/10 articles/books in my field are single author, no one can do your work for you, no one can write a book for you and put your name on it. Academia, of course, has its politics. But to claim that corporate America is somehow more of a meritocracy is to admit total ignorance of how corporate America operates.

libfreeordie on June 10, 2014 at 4:53 PM

Thanks for admitting conservative education policy really is all about race.

libfreeordie on June 10, 2014 at 4:15 PM

So what’s your take on this?

Oldnuke on June 10, 2014 at 4:53 PM

I share AP’s pessimism about how this will go on appeal but that doesn’t mean it won’t be a lot of fun to watch.

alchemist19 on June 10, 2014 at 4:54 PM

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