Politicizing a Tragedy

posted at 4:31 pm on June 10, 2014 by Noah Rothman

We hear a lot these days about conservatives politicizing tragedy.

In May, former White House Press Sec. Jay Carney called the formation of the Benghazi select committee “an attempt by Republicans to politicize a tragedy.” Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton echoed the charge on ABC on Monday, attacking Republicans for “politicizing this at the expense of four dead Americans.” Retired Gen. Stanley McChrystal expressed dismay over the “politicizing” of the release of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl; an attack for which he earned high praise from liberal columnist E.J. Dionne.

The instinct among the White House’s supporters to accuse the opposition of being political actors is not a new one. Rep. Jackie Speier (D-CA) joined MSNBC host Al Sharpton for a recent segment where both accused the GOP of politicizing the VA scandal, while simultaneously defending the care vets receive at VA facilities as “top notch.” Republicans were criticized from a number of sources for politicizing the shooting death of Florida teen Trayvon Martin. “People have to stop politicizing it,” said then Deputy Campaign Manager for President Barack Obama, Stephanie Cutter.

But for all their competence at both recognizing and shaming the politicization of tragic events, there is one sadly recurrent element of American life that liberals appear to believe not only merits politicization but demands it: gun violence.

“There is no such thing as ‘politicizing’ tragedy,” read an honest post from Gawker’s Max Read in the wake of the 2012 Aurora theater shooting. “You cannot ‘politicize’ a tragedy because the tragedy is already political. When you talk about the tragedy you’re already talking about politics.”

His sentiments were echoed by Michael Grunwald who, writing in Time Magazine, articulated a slightly more nuanced view on the inevitability of politics invading tragic moments. “I feel terrible about what happened in that movie theater, and I’m agnostic about gun control, but there is nothing wrong with politicizing tragedy,” he wrote. “It’s telling that the people who get paid to analyze politics recoil at the notion that its practitioners should connect it to real-life pain.”

Since 2012, an annus horribilis in terms of the number of high profile mass shootings, politicizing gun violence has become a grim and obligatory rite on the left. As an expression of tribal loyalty, progressives conveying their devotion to the cause of stricter gun laws in the wake of a shooting has become as reflexive as a salute.

Perhaps that explains why, even while a high school shooting in Oregon was ongoing on Tuesday, MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell was tasked with interviewing Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America founder Shannon Watts.

“It’s not like we don’t have to control to stop it. We do,” Watts insisted as the active shooting situation in Oregon unfolded. “We have to act.”

When asked what proposal she would back to “stop” shootings like these, Watts replied by attacking Congress for “protecting the gun lobbyists” rather than their constituents.

“It is time to vote to close the background check loophole,” she declared. “We need the help of business people, of members of Congress, of legislators, but most of all to people listening to your show right now. You can’t wait to act.”

Watts could not have known how stricter background checks might have prevented this tragedy at the time of her avowal, because the identity of the gunman and the weapons used were still unknown. But she was not invited on the program for her policy acumen. She was there to reaffirm her and the audience’s fealty to a cause.

Just about an hour later, MSNBC’s Ronan Farrow invited The Daily Beast’s Cliff Schechter on his program to refine the villain in this episode from generic members of Congress to Republican members of Congress and the National Rifle Association.

“We know how to stop this,” Schechter insisted. He cited Australia’s strict 1996 gun laws as an example of how to reduce gun-related homicides, a causal link that scholars inconveniently continue to debate.

“We’ve got kids walking around either who are mentally troubled,” Schechter continued. “We’ve got right wing — people with far-right wing politics like those who shot two police officers in Las Vegas, execution style, and left a Nazi swastika and a ‘Don’t Tread on Me’ flag on them, and others like that who have easy access to guns.”

Schechter and Farrow proceeded to define for the audience how they can become politically involved in an effort to agitate for new gun laws. Among the advocacy groups Schechter cited as a example of a powerful anti-gun organization was Moms Demand Action, founded by our previous guest, Shannon Watts. It’s funny how that works.

The lamentable reality is that politicizing events which capture the nation’s attention can also decalcify American politics and pave the way for sweeping reforms impossible in the absence of tragedy. The right knows it. The left apparently knows it, too. Politicizing tragedy, while distasteful, is a small price to pay if you are convinced the ends justify the means.

We can, however, dispense with the mock indignation over Republicans exclusively politicizing tragedy. The implicit claim to moral superiority in that charge is wholly unearned.


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The tragedies won’t end and neither will politicizing them. Tragedies are always useful material.

hawkeye54 on June 10, 2014 at 4:34 PM

Leftists always feed on carrion.

Schadenfreude on June 10, 2014 at 4:36 PM

Hillary spoke of “politicizing the 4 dead” just yesterday, the scumhag.

Schadenfreude on June 10, 2014 at 4:37 PM

Gun control-

Bound to be just as effective at keeping guns from criminals as the War on Drugs has been in a country where the elected officials refuse to do their sworn duty and defend the borders.

You can take my guns after you’ve killed me. Good luck.

M240H on June 10, 2014 at 4:37 PM

When asked what proposal she would back to “stop” shootings like these, Watts replied by attacking Congress for “protecting the gun lobbyists” rather than their constituents.

It is time to vote to close the background check loophole,” she declared. “We need the help of business people, of members of Congress, of legislators, but most of all to people listening to your show right now. You can’t wait to act.”

Yeah, that would have totally stopped the Sandy Hook shooter. Totally.

Bitter Clinger on June 10, 2014 at 4:38 PM

The Associated Press @AP · 20s

BREAKING: Police: Gunman who killed student, wounded teacher at Oregon school likely killed self.

canopfor on June 10, 2014 at 4:38 PM

Here we go again

22044 on June 10, 2014 at 4:39 PM

But for all their competence at both recognizing and shaming the politicization of tragic events, there is one sadly recurrent element of American life that liberals appear to believe not only merits politicization but demands it: gun violence.

-Noah Rothman

Competence? Do you believe the Benghazi hearings are simply cheap politicization?

bluegill on June 10, 2014 at 4:39 PM

“We’ve got right wing — people with far-right wing politics l

…and no leftists have guns…what a relief!….oh wait!

KOOLAID2 on June 10, 2014 at 4:39 PM

Leftists always feed on carrion.

Schadenfreude on June 10, 2014 at 4:36 PM

The end justifies the feeding.

hawkeye54 on June 10, 2014 at 4:39 PM

When asked what proposal she would back to “stop” shootings like these, Watts replied by attacking Congress for “protecting the gun lobbyists” rather than their constituents.

“It is time to vote to close the background check loophole,” she declared. “We need the help of business people, of members of Congress, of legislators, but most of all to people listening to your show right now. You can’t wait to act.”

Yeah, that would have totally stopped the Sandy Hook shooter. Totally.

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Bitter Clinger on June 10, 2014 at 4:40 PM

Every day is a Politicizing Day for
the Lefty DemTards!!

canopfor on June 10, 2014 at 4:40 PM

Way too many shootings nowadays.
Las Vegas couple who used to visit the bundy ranch comes into mind as well.

weedisgood on June 10, 2014 at 4:41 PM

Welcome Noah!

“Politicizing a tragedy” is right up there with “you are on the wrong side of history” as the …top phrases that the smug condescending jerks like to pull out when they can’t argue a position logically.

I know, I know…I am a racist too.

can_con on June 10, 2014 at 4:42 PM

Way too many shootings nowadays.
Las Vegas couple who used to visit were kicked off the bundy ranch comes into mind as well.

Dave’sStillNotHere on June 10, 2014 at 4:41 PM

Fixed.

Oh, and F-

Del Dolemonte on June 10, 2014 at 4:44 PM

Maybe a good start on reducing these school shootings would be to make life, and the future, a little less hopeless for these kids. The Progressive Elites, and their cynical, selfish behavior has crushed a great deal of the joy in life.

teacherman on June 10, 2014 at 4:45 PM

Way too many shootings nowadays.
Las Vegas couple who used to visit the bundy ranch comes into mind as well.

weedisgood on June 10, 2014 at 4:41 PM

Yeah, but you only care when white people are involved.

M240H on June 10, 2014 at 4:45 PM

“It is time to vote to close the background check loophole,”

I have yet to see ONE honest reporter as “what does that mean”?, when spouted by someone on the left.

Yeah, “Australian gun control” – translation: YOU CAN’T HAVE ONE!

Perhaps one of those bozos would then explain why Australia now has a higher violent crime rate than we have.

GarandFan on June 10, 2014 at 4:45 PM

Just last week it came out during Mikey Moore’s divorce trial that someone was in contact with him within 3 days of the Newtown shootings, offering to help back Moore’s making another “Columbine” film.

“Never let a tragedy go to waste!”

Del Dolemonte on June 10, 2014 at 4:46 PM

Way too many shootings nowadays.
Las Vegas couple who used to visit the bundy ranch comes into mind as well.

weedisgood on June 10, 2014 at 4:41 PM

Homicide rates in the US are bouncing along at the lowest rates since the 60s.

airupthere on June 10, 2014 at 4:48 PM

Waltzing on the fresh corpses of the young.

Tard on June 10, 2014 at 4:49 PM

Way too many shootings nowadays.
Las Vegas couple who used to visit the bundy ranch comes into mind as well.

weedisgood on June 10, 2014 at 4:41

The Las Vegas killers were thrown off Bundy’s ranch for being too radical. More anarchists. By the way stricter back ground checks would not have made a difference there. The perp was a felon…

sandee on June 10, 2014 at 4:50 PM

http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/incident-at-reynolds-high-school-in-oregon-june-10-2014/

Oregon Gov. John Kitzhaber: ‘My heart is heavy after learning of this morning’s tragic events at Reynolds High School’ – @NBCNightlyNews
see original on twitter.com

https://twitter.com/NBCNightlyNews/status/476433012314611712/photo/1

canopfor on June 10, 2014 at 4:50 PM

Fixed.

Oh, and F-

Del Dolemonte on June 10, 2014 at 4:44 PM

Heh.

Hey Del, you mentioned recently you once saw Dion and the Belmonts.

Did they sing Donna the Prima Donna?

ToddPA on June 10, 2014 at 4:51 PM

Liberals and ghouls. But I am redundant.

22044 on June 10, 2014 at 4:57 PM

https://twitter.com/FoxNewsInsider

FoxNewsInsider @FoxNewsInsider · 4h

Police: Shooter Deceased at Reynolds High School in Troutdale, Oregon http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/06/10/reynolds-high-school-oregon-lockdown-after-reports-shooting

canopfor on June 10, 2014 at 4:57 PM

The Las Vegas killers were thrown off Bundy’s ranch for being too radical. More anarchists. By the way stricter back ground checks would not have made a difference there. The perp was a felon…

sandee on June 10, 2014 at 4:50 PM

So, how did they get the guns? By buying them in a gun show?

And it looks like concealed carry ended up killing one of the victims:

The Wal-Mart victim was identified as Joseph Wilcox, 31, who McMahill said died “heroically” while trying to confront Jerad Miller.

Wilcox had been carrying a concealed weapon and likely believed he was dealing with a lone gunman.

But Wilcox “did not realize Amanda Miller was with Jerad Miller and passed her directly,” McMahill said, at which time she is said to have shot Wilcox in the ribs, killing him.

jim56 on June 10, 2014 at 4:57 PM

So, how did they get the guns? By buying them in a gun show?

And it looks like concealed carry ended up killing one of the victims:

The Wal-Mart victim was identified as Joseph Wilcox, 31, who McMahill said died “heroically” while trying to confront Jerad Miller.

Wilcox had been carrying a concealed weapon and likely believed he was dealing with a lone gunman.

But Wilcox “did not realize Amanda Miller was with Jerad Miller and passed her directly,” McMahill said, at which time she is said to have shot Wilcox in the ribs, killing him.

And your point is?

sandee on June 10, 2014 at 4:59 PM

Still too scared to post even one article about those two hotairians in vegas, eh?

Cowards.

everdiso on June 10, 2014 at 4:59 PM

As Tlaloc pointed out, there are 7769 fewer accidental deaths from guns each year than those from AIDS, and at least 30,273 fewer annual injuries than those from new HIV infections.
 
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/aids-hiv.htm
 
And all from the 37% of the U.S. population with guns (vs the less than 1/2 of 1% with HIV).
 
It really is incredible to realize that gun owners are that safe.
 
Thanks again for the perspective, Tlaloc.

rogerb on June 10, 2014 at 4:59 PM

“We’ve got right wing — people with far-right wing politics like those who shot two police officers in Las Vegas,

How’s that? Both of the shooters were registered democrats. Both voted for Obama – twice – according to their Facebook postings. Last I check EVERYONE on the right opposes Obama and always has. So painting the Obama voter shooters as “right wing” is hilarious.

HotAirian on June 10, 2014 at 5:00 PM

Drama queen Shep Smith was ecstatic. There’s nothing that turns his glee-crank like a school shooting.

GGMac on June 10, 2014 at 5:00 PM

Drama queen Shep Smith was ecstatic. There’s nothing that turns his glee-crank like a school shooting.

GGMac on June 10, 2014 at 5:00 PM

Except for maybe a Hurricane…..

sandee on June 10, 2014 at 5:01 PM

Still too scared to post even one article about those two hotairians in vegas, eh?

Cowards.

everdiso on June 10, 2014 at 4:59 PM

Huh?

Al-Jazeera reports they both voted for Obama.

sentinelrules on June 10, 2014 at 5:01 PM

jim56 on June 10, 2014 at 4:57 PM

everdiso on June 10, 2014 at 4:59 PM

Paging Bmore & Schadenfreude.

Judge_Dredd on June 10, 2014 at 5:02 PM

Still too scared to post even one article about those two hotairians in vegas, eh?

Cowards.

everdiso on June 10, 2014 at 4:59 PM

Wow, I’d have thought you would have called them Tea baggers….

sandee on June 10, 2014 at 5:02 PM

Speaking of DemTards,……………………….

https://twitter.com/markknoller

BAM:

Mark Knoller @markknoller · 9s

POTUS says the US “has to do some soul-searching” about gun laws.

Replied to 0 times

Mark Knoller @markknoller · now

Pres Obama says unless public opinion demands Congress change gun laws, it will not change.

Replied to 0 times

Mark Knoller @markknoller · 33s

Citing shooting deaths of 20 6-yr-olds in Newtown, Pres Obama says refusal of Congress to take new action “was stunning to me.”

Replied to 0 times

Mark Knoller @markknoller · 14s

Asked about recent school shootings, including the one today, Pres Obama calls resistance to more gun checks his “biggest frustration.”

canopfor on June 10, 2014 at 5:03 PM

“We have to act.”

Translation: Gimme yo guns, wingnutz!

Mark Boabaca on June 10, 2014 at 5:03 PM

“It is time to vote to close the background check loophole,” she declared.

And, how would that have prevented this tragedy?

Do we even know how the shooter obtained the weapon?

93% of all guns used in crimes are obtained ILLEGALLY either through street purchases or theft.

Resist We Much on June 10, 2014 at 5:04 PM

Asked about recent school shootings, including the one today, Pres Obama calls resistance to more gun checks his “biggest frustration.”

canopfor on June 10, 2014 at 5:03 PM

Gun checks?The killer in Las Vegas certainly didn’t go through the “legal” channels to get his guns….. So what would more gun checks have done?

sandee on June 10, 2014 at 5:04 PM

As Tlaloc pointed out, there are 7769 fewer accidental deaths from guns each year than those from AIDS, and at least 30,273 fewer annual injuries than those from new HIV infections.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/aids-hiv.htm

And all from the 37% of the U.S. population with guns (vs the less than 1/2 of 1% with HIV).

It really is incredible to realize that gun owners are that safe.

Thanks again for the perspective, Tlaloc.

rogerb on June 10, 2014 at 4:59 PM

How many of the AIDS and HIV deaths arise from forced sex or blood transfusions?

jim56 on June 10, 2014 at 5:05 PM

Hopey on ,..”The Crazy’s “:

Mark Knoller @markknoller · 20s

Pres Obama says US doesn’t have a monopoly on crazy people – but US has more shootings because guns more easily available.

canopfor on June 10, 2014 at 5:05 PM

Still too scared to post even one article about those two hotairians in vegas, eh?

Cowards.

lester, it’s time for your violin lesson! on June 10, 2014 at 4:59 PM

Al-Jazeera reports they both voted for Obama.

sentinelrules on June 10, 2014 at 5:01 PM

F-

Del Dolemonte on June 10, 2014 at 5:06 PM

Mark Knoller @markknoller · 19s

Video screen displays question to Pres Obama about school shootings. (CBS photo by Erick Washington)

https://twitter.com/markknoller/status/476470473950498818/photo/1

canopfor on June 10, 2014 at 5:08 PM

Hotair’s actions (or lack thereof) speak louder than your words.

Cowards. The lot of you. Can’t bear to reap what you sow.

everdiso on June 10, 2014 at 5:09 PM

Mark Knoller @markknoller · 19s

Video screen displays question to Pres Obama about school shootings. (CBS photo by Erick Washington)

I can’t stand to hear anything out of obamas mouth…

sandee on June 10, 2014 at 5:09 PM

Del Dolemonte on June 10, 2014 at 5:06 PM

everdisso is lester? That explains much. Glad you remember what they talk like.

I found a column penned by lester/everdisso

Judge_Dredd on June 10, 2014 at 5:10 PM

everdisso is lester? That explains much. Glad you remember what they talk like.

We used to have better quality trolls.

sandee on June 10, 2014 at 5:11 PM

In the wake of the car crash that severely injured actor Tracy Morgan it seems only logical that we need stricter control of, if not an all out ban on automobiles. Its averaged to one automobile fatality every 16 minutes (2010 figures). So screw the gun control, lets go after the big fishes and ban cars!! It should be easier as there is not a constitutional amendment guaranteeing the right to own an automobile. And by my figures automobiles are as deadly and cause the same if not more deaths a year than guns.

Koa on June 10, 2014 at 5:11 PM

The Las Vegas killers were thrown off Bundy’s ranch for being too radical. More anarchists. By the way stricter back ground checks would not have made a difference there. The perp was a felon…

sandee on June 10, 2014 at 4:50 PM

Well a dead man can’t speak so I will take “they were thrown off the ranch” with a grain of salt.

weedisgood on June 10, 2014 at 5:11 PM

Del Dolemonte on June 10, 2014 at 5:06 PM

everdisso is lester? That explains much. Glad you remember what they talk like.

I found a column penned by lester/everdisso

Judge_Dredd on June 10, 2014 at 5:10 PM

Someone else here connected the dots so I decline any credit.

Del Dolemonte on June 10, 2014 at 5:11 PM

Hotair’s actions (or lack thereof) speak louder than your words.

Cowards. The lot of you. Can’t bear to reap what you sow.

everdiso on June 10, 2014 at 5:09 PM

ROFL

Bishop on June 10, 2014 at 5:11 PM

Hotair’s actions (or lack thereof) speak louder than your words.

Cowards. The lot of you. Can’t bear to reap what you sow.

everdiso on June 10, 2014 at 5:09 PM

Both shooters voted for Obama.

sentinelrules on June 10, 2014 at 5:11 PM

Well a dead man can’t speak so I will take “they were thrown off the ranch” with a grain of salt.

weedisgood on June 10, 2014 at 5:11 PM

The Bundy’s and other witnesses said so….

sandee on June 10, 2014 at 5:12 PM

everdisso is lester? That explains much. Glad you remember what they talk like.

I found a column penned by lester/everdisso

Judge_Dredd on June 10, 2014 at 5:10 PM

I though everdisso was LeftOCenter. Which is also possible, since lester left the room and LeftOCenter entered. Then LeftOCenter left the room.
All the recycled trolls.
Hard to keep track.

22044 on June 10, 2014 at 5:12 PM

The lot of you.

lester, it’s time for your violin lesson! on June 10, 2014 at 5:09 PM

Ah, a Canadian!

So, how about those Montreal Canadien? What a sucky team.

Now tell us why al Jazeera was Lying when they reported that the Las Vegas shooters voted for O’bama.

F-

Del Dolemonte on June 10, 2014 at 5:13 PM

I will take “they were thrown off the ranch” with a grain of salt bag of weed.

weedisgood on June 10, 2014 at 5:11 PM

I fixed that for you. Salt is bad for your health.

Judge_Dredd on June 10, 2014 at 5:14 PM

Koa on June 10, 2014 at 5:11 PM

Driverless cars with perfect computer systems that never fail at inopportune times such as when a semi is speeding toward you.

Not for our self-proclaimed Leadership Class though, they get to keep their old-fashioned vehicles.

Bishop on June 10, 2014 at 5:14 PM

Still too scared to post even one article about those two hotairians in vegas, eh?

Cowards.

everdiso on June 10, 2014 at 4:59 PM

everdisco: Your getting testy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Associated Press @AP · 15h

VIDEO: Vegas shooters had anti-government views, police say http://apne.ws/1oG8x7N

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIPPOf6mB2k&feature=youtu.be

Retweeted by Frank Thorp V
Gadi Schwartz @GadiNBCLA · Jun 9

BREAKING: Pic of suspects #LasVegas #Walmartshooting Neighbors confirm this is anti-govt couple whose apt was raided

https://twitter.com/GadiNBCLA/status/476020485957107712/photo/1

canopfor on June 10, 2014 at 5:14 PM

According to the CDC, ’112 million times a year alcohol-impaired drivers put you at risk.’

In 2010, 10,228 people were killed in alcohol-impaired driving crashes.

In the same year, there were 11,078 gun-related homicides.

For gun control advocates, should we look at repealing the Twenty-First Amendment?

Resist We Much on June 10, 2014 at 5:16 PM

Ah, a Canadian!

So, how about those Montreal Canadien? What a sucky team.

Now tell us why al Jazeera was Lying when they reported that the Las Vegas shooters voted for O’bama.

F-

Del Dolemonte on June 10, 2014 at 5:13 PM

Dave Rywall? You don’t think?… No!…

Judge_Dredd on June 10, 2014 at 5:17 PM

In the same year, there were 11,078 gun-related homicides.

Mostly in Chicago…

sandee on June 10, 2014 at 5:17 PM

Driverless cars with perfect computer systems that never fail at inopportune times such as when a semi is speeding toward you.

Not for our self-proclaimed Leadership Class though, they get to keep their old-fashioned vehicles.

Bishop on June 10, 2014 at 5:14 PM

Bishop:Exactly,..

..oh ya, what if somebody hijacks the car’s software, and programs it
to Hari-Kari mode with a person in it!!

Driverless car,..Boink that!:)

canopfor on June 10, 2014 at 5:18 PM

Barack Obama
3m
President Obama, in Tumblr session, on shootings: ‘We’re the only developed country in the world where this happens’ – @USATODAY
Read more on usatoday.com

http://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2014/06/10/obama-tumblr-student-loans-question-and-answer-david-karp/10288945/

canopfor on June 10, 2014 at 5:19 PM

Al-Jazeera reports they both voted for Obama.

sentinelrules on June 10, 2014 at 5:01 PM

I’m not seeing anything to support this claim. I read they moved to NV to vote for an “independent” running for Governor.

jim56 on June 10, 2014 at 5:19 PM

Here it comes, the EO that burns us down.
The Civil War wasn’t really all that long ago.

Tard on June 10, 2014 at 5:21 PM

Aw, everdiso’s puppy must be sick again. You know, the one he usually keeps in his windowless van. He really shouldn’t park with the A/C off.

CurtZHP on June 10, 2014 at 5:22 PM

Still too scared to post even one article about those two hotairians in vegas, eh?

Cowards.

everdiso on June 10, 2014 at 4:59 PM

Al Jazeera reporter:


‘Just realized I interviewed Vegas cop killer in April,’ says reporter; ‘Political views all over the map’

As for coverage, and you can go verify this yourself, HotAir didn’t even bring up the subject of Cliven Bundy, the standoff, or the militia members there for more than a week after it hit its apogee.

FYI: We know what you are trying to do. You are attempting to put the actions of two skinhead, meth-head Neo-Nazis on us.

No dice.

Were you responsible for the Cleveland 4 – the OWS guys who tried to blow up a heavily-traveled bridge?

Also:

THE AMERICAN NAZI PARTY JOINS OCCUPY WALL STREET

OWS Gets The ‘Coveted’ DavidDukeGruß of Approval

Resist We Much on June 10, 2014 at 5:23 PM

Driverless cars with perfect computer systems that never fail at inopportune times such as when a semi is speeding toward you.

Not for our self-proclaimed Leadership Class though, they get to keep their old-fashioned vehicles.

Bishop on June 10, 2014 at 5:14 PM

Obviously your in the tank for google, another clear cut case of lobbyists influencing and hindering common sense legislation like banning automobiles…..Its for our own good! Cant you see that?

Koa on June 10, 2014 at 5:25 PM

President Obama, in Tumblr session, on shootings: ‘We’re the only developed country in the world where this happens’ – @USATODA

So Norway isn’t a developed Country ? Seems to me a couple years ago A Man shot over 60 people to death at a Youth camp…. Nice try Obama…

sandee on June 10, 2014 at 5:25 PM

..oh ya, what if somebody hijacks the car’s software, and programs it
to Hari-Kari mode with a person in it!!

Driverless car,..Boink that!:)

canopfor on June 10, 2014 at 5:18 PM

HAHAHAHAHA Loser! Software can’t be hacked, just ask Target Corp.

Bishop on June 10, 2014 at 5:25 PM

President Obama, in Tumblr session, on shootings: ‘We’re the only developed country in the world where this happens’ – @USATODA

So Norway isn’t a developed Country ? Seems to me a couple years ago A Man shot over 60 people to death at a Youth camp…. Nice try Obama…

sandee on June 10, 2014 at 5:25 PM

I guess Canada isn’t either. Just last week, one shooter killed 3 officers in New Brunswick.

Resist We Much on June 10, 2014 at 5:29 PM

Competence? Do you believe the Benghazi hearings are simply cheap politicization?

bluegill on June 10, 2014 at 4:39 PM

What would you know about competence gilled one?

Bmore on June 10, 2014 at 5:33 PM

When the left decides to seriously address all those murdered in Chicago, then we can pay attention. Until then, they have no credibility.

dorkintheroad on June 10, 2014 at 5:35 PM

Well a dead man can’t speak so I will take “they were thrown off the ranch” with a grain of salt.

weedisgood on June 10, 2014 at 5:11 PM

Well a dead man can’t speak so I will take “they were thrown off the ranch” with a grain of salt.

weedisgood on June 10, 2014 at 5:11 PM

The Bundy’s and other witnesses said so….

sandee on June 10, 2014 at 5:12 PM

You can watch a video that the dead Las Vegas shooter made confirming that he was indeed kicked off the Bundy ranch.
The Bundy’s can’t catch a break, first Clive’s slavery comments and now this.

LeftCoastRight on June 10, 2014 at 5:35 PM

Now trending: a mass shooting of one.

The Schaef on June 10, 2014 at 5:36 PM

Well a dead man can’t speak so I will take “they were thrown off the ranch” with a grain of salt.

Dave’sStillNotHere on June 10, 2014 at 5:11 PM

Associated Press reported they were kicked off the ranch too.

F-

Del Dolemonte on June 10, 2014 at 5:36 PM

“More guns are not the answer, I know it…. I just know it.” – Dick “Dopey Democrat for Life” Durbin, on preventing school shooting violence by having armed and trained personnel in school buildings and zones.

ExpressoBold on June 10, 2014 at 5:38 PM

As Tlaloc pointed out, there are 7769 fewer accidental deaths from guns each year than those from AIDS, and at least 30,273 fewer annual injuries than those from new HIV infections.
 
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/aids-hiv.htm
 
And all from the 37% of the U.S. population with guns (vs the less than 1/2 of 1% with HIV).
 
It really is incredible to realize that gun owners are that safe.
 
Thanks again for the perspective, Tlaloc.
 
rogerb on June 10, 2014 at 4:59 PM

 
How many of the AIDS and HIV deaths arise from forced sex or blood transfusions?
 
jim56 on June 10, 2014 at 5:05 PM

 
Reading skills suffer when religious beliefs are threatened.
 
It’s incredible to realize gun owners are that safe, isn’t it jim56?

rogerb on June 10, 2014 at 5:38 PM

Still too scared to post even one article about those two hotairians in vegas, eh?

Cowards.

everdiso on June 10, 2014 at 4:59 PM

Still too scared to write even one post in defense of your two best friends in vegas, eh?

The Schaef on June 10, 2014 at 5:38 PM

MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell was tasked with interviewing Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America founder Shannon Watts.

That is pair of stupid, hypocritical, unbearable ignorant crapweasels.

Midas on June 10, 2014 at 5:45 PM

*points politely to the “please don’t feed the trolls” sign*

Midas on June 10, 2014 at 5:46 PM

Surprised I ahven’t seen this directly stated yet – but – another victim of the gun free zone.
When are we going to do something about these places where defenseless people keep getting killed?

dentarthurdent on June 10, 2014 at 5:51 PM

They painted themselves like clowns of anarchy and took to the web to spew threats and violent fantasies about gunning down police officers.

Sounds not wholly unlike somebody else, Bill Something-or-other, “Guilty as sin, free as a bird”.

F X Muldoon on June 10, 2014 at 5:52 PM

“It is time to vote to close the background check loophole,” she declared.

Ah yes, the old faithful canard. It’s just too easy when you have nothing else to say.

slickwillie2001 on June 10, 2014 at 5:53 PM

Still too scared to post even one article about those two hotairians in vegas, eh?

Cowards.

everditso on June 10, 2014 at 4:59 PM

What are you doing here, haven’t you got a Hockey game to watch?

slickwillie2001 on June 10, 2014 at 5:55 PM

“It is time to vote to close the background check loophole,” she declared.

What loophole?

sandee on June 10, 2014 at 5:56 PM

This is a good story.

Schadenfreude on June 10, 2014 at 5:58 PM

Still too scared to post even one article about those two hotairians in vegas, eh?

Cowards.

everditso on June 10, 2014 at 4:59 PM

What are you doing here, haven’t you got a Hockey game to watch?

slickwillie2001 on June 10, 2014 at 5:55 PM

lester’s Montreal Canadien were the only one of 7 Canadian NHL teams to even make the Stanley Cup Playoffs. They got eliminated by the NY Rangers, who are now in danger of being swept in 4 straight games by the LA Kings.

Del Dolemonte on June 10, 2014 at 6:02 PM

Way too many shootings nowadays.

weedisgood on June 10, 2014 at 4:41 PM

Cowards.

everdiso on June 10, 2014 at 4:59 PM

How many of the AIDS and HIV deaths arise from forced sex or blood transfusions?

jim56 on June 10, 2014 at 5:05 PM

OK, trolls, I’m on a roll today. Let’s engage. (Sorry, Midas.)

Explain to me what you would do to reduce or eliminate gun crime in the US.

Be specific. Explain how your solutions would work.

Link to sources that we can all reference.

To harken back to another troll whom I engaged on an earlier thread — here are the rules:

*** Lay all of your cards on the table, face-up. (Don’t ask me to explain that analogy.) If your ultimate solution is confiscation, say so. And defend your position.

*** If you post stupid/vapid/unrelated drivel, expect to be used for verbal target practice. (Don’t interpret this as a threat of gun violence.)

Your jury is the audience here at HotAir: the smartest, sharpest and fairest bunch in this neck of the Internet.

Now let’s see who are the cowards.

Ready? Set? Begin.

Alien on June 10, 2014 at 6:02 PM

Reading skills suffer when religious beliefs are threatened.

It’s incredible to realize gun owners are that safe, isn’t it jim56?

rogerb on June 10, 2014 at 5:38 PM

In 2011 in US, 851 accidental shooting deaths; 7,560 annual gun suicides (long gun and handgun); 6,251 handgun homicides (FBI) and 694 long gun homicides (FBI) and 73,880 non-fatal gun injuries. The CDC shows only about 1/6th the number of handgun suicides as the FBI does on average.

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states

In 2011, 49,723 new HIV cases in US and 8,369 AIDS deaths.

Using the FBI statistics, there were about 6,900 gun homicides in the US in 2011 vs. 8,369 AIDS deaths and there were about 150% more non-fatal gun injuries than HIV cases.

jim56 on June 10, 2014 at 6:08 PM

I think the gun debate is headed the same way as manufacturers liability. There was a time when companies could actually defend themselves against some idiot misusing their products. And then absolute liability came in, and the (overall) rule was that the manufacturer had the responsibility to make sure some idiot couldn’t misuse its product, or else it was inherently dangerous.

My guess is that a majority will become so tired of shootings that they’ll opt for absolute liability for guns, regardless of how wrong and unfair it is. Gun owners, instead of repeating “guns don’t kill people, people kill people, ” would be better served to adopt a middle way, and show their utmost reasonableness to stave off much more restrictive gun control regimes.

bobs1196 on June 10, 2014 at 6:12 PM

jim56, is this your source?

GunPolicy.org is hosted by the Sydney School of Public Health, the University of Sydney. The School provides internationally recognised leadership in public health by advancing and disseminating knowledge — in this case, supporting global efforts to prevent gun injury.

With its partners and contributors, GunPolicy.org promotes the public health model of firearm injury prevention, as adopted by the World Health Organisation’s Global Campaign for Violence Prevention and the United Nations Programme of Action on small arms.

Alien on June 10, 2014 at 6:13 PM

I think the gun debate is headed the same way as manufacturers liability. There was a time when companies could actually defend themselves against some idiot misusing their products. And then absolute liability came in, and the (overall) rule was that the manufacturer had the responsibility to make sure some idiot couldn’t misuse its product, or else it was inherently dangerous.

My guess is that a majority will become so tired of shootings that they’ll opt for absolute liability for guns, regardless of how wrong and unfair it is. Gun owners, instead of repeating “guns don’t kill people, people kill people, ” would be better served to adopt a middle way, and show their utmost reasonableness to stave off much more restrictive gun control regimes.

bobs1196 on June 10, 2014 at 6:12 PM

Many states have already passed pre-emption laws to hold manufacturers of weapons harmless from Jimbo03′s/ jim56′s who claim corporate attorney status.

Judge_Dredd on June 10, 2014 at 6:17 PM

Alien on June 10, 2014 at 6:02 PM

Before the trolls answer you on gun control, which I doubt they ever will, I’ve got a few rhetorical questions to throw out into the ether(net) for consideration:
Did total prohibition/banning/confiscation of alcohol eliminate all alcohol from the public?

Has total prohibition/banning/confiscation of drugs like heroin, cocaine, MJ, LSD, and many others, eliminate those drugs from the public?

Has UN prohibition of proliferation of chemical, biological and nuclear weapons stopped those weapons from being developed and used by countries who previously did not have them?

If the (honest) answer to all of those questions is no, why would anyone with active brain cells believe banning and confiscation of guns will accomplish what the gun-grabbers claim will be accomplished?

dentarthurdent on June 10, 2014 at 6:18 PM

Before the trolls answer you on gun control, which I doubt they ever will, I’ve got a few rhetorical questions to throw out into the ether(net) for consideration: …

dentarthurdent on June 10, 2014 at 6:18 PM

No one likes the guy that tells the ending of the movie while you’re standing in line to see it. :)

Alien on June 10, 2014 at 6:21 PM

As far as these random heinous gun crimes. I don’t mean to be political but we really do need to see their tox reports. Marijuana makes people act without conscience. I’d estimate it’s somewhere around 90% are high on marijuna. You can’t ban guns, but there is no constitutional right to erase your conscience with a weed.

Buddahpundit on June 10, 2014 at 6:22 PM

Still too scared to post even one article about those two hotairians in vegas, eh?

everdiso on June 10, 2014 at 4:59 PM

.
Who are the “hotarians”, or at the very least political conservatives within that event?

Sounds like the two criminal shooters were very much like the Gabriel Gifford shooter.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/28/jared-loughner-documents-released_n_2971011.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/10/jared-loughner-_n_5128950.html
.

Cowards.

everdiso on June 10, 2014 at 4:59 PM

Hotair’s actions (or lack thereof) speak louder than your words.

Cowards. The lot of you. Can’t bear to reap what you sow.

everdiso on June 10, 2014 at 5:09 PM

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You’re the one who hit’n’ran with your two drive-by comments … so who’s the “coward”?

listens2glenn on June 10, 2014 at 6:24 PM

My guess is that a majority will become so tired of shootings that they’ll opt for absolute liability for guns, regardless of how wrong and unfair it is. Gun owners, instead of repeating “guns don’t kill people, people kill people, ” would be better served to adopt a middle way, and show their utmost reasonableness to stave off much more restrictive gun control regimes.

bobs1196 on June 10, 2014 at 6:12 PM

Then how about absolute liability for the manufacturers of cars, knives, clubs (of various types), bathtubs, swimming pools, alcohol, and on and on…..?

dentarthurdent on June 10, 2014 at 6:25 PM

https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller

Zeke Miller @ZekeJMiller · 48m

Obama: “The United States does not have a monopoly on crazy people.” http://ti.me/1kYBrjJ via @TIMEPolitics

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Zeke Miller @ZekeJMiller · 49m

Obama: New Gun Restrictions ‘Not Even Possible’ Right Now http://ti.me/1kYBrjJ via @TIMEPolitics

canopfor on June 10, 2014 at 6:26 PM

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