Dem Rep.: Taliban aren’t ‘terrorists,’ they’re ‘part of the fabric of Afghanistan’

posted at 2:31 pm on June 10, 2014 by Noah Rothman

Rep. Jackie Speier (D-CA) would like America to come to terms with the prisoner swap in which the United States recovered Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl in exchange for five Taliban commanders. Even though, as The Daily Beast’s Eli Lake and Kimberly Dozier reported, American intelligence officials believe four of the five Taliban commanders will rejoin the fight against the United States and the friendly Afghan government, Speier said that their release from Guantanamo was inevitable.

The California congresswoman went on to observe that the language used when talking about this deal is unhelpful. Contradicting the White House, which conceded last week that members of the Taliban were added to the list of Specially Designated Global Terrorists in 2002, Speier expressed concern with the use of the term “terrorists.” She added that the Taliban, a group which the United States has fought the longest war in its history to overthrow, is “part of the fabric of Afghanistan.”

“We’re going to pay for this,” House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) warned on Tuesday, lamenting the precedent set by the United States negotiating a prisoner swap with a terrorist group.

“Let me underscore the term ‘terrorists,’” Speier told MSNBC’s Kristen Welker when asked for a response to Boehner. “The Taliban is a part of the fabric of Afghanistan.”

“They were part of the leadership of that country before we engaged there,” she noted. “We are now actively attempting to get the Taliban to negotiate with President [Hamid] Karzai and the Afghanistani government, because there will be some cooperation — some level of coordination between the two if that country is going to survive and move forward.”

This position, while perhaps indicative of the realpolitik American officials feel they must embrace in order to negotiate a swift withdrawal from Afghanistan, is also a repudiation of President Barack Obama’s promised approach to this war “of necessity.”

Among Obama’s sharpest critiques of George W. Bush was his indifferent approach to the Afghan theater. In the summer of 2008, Obama asked Americans to envision what the world would have been like had the United States taken a different approach to the post-9/11 environment.

“We could have deployed the full force of American power to hunt down and destroy Osama bin Laden, al Qaeda, the Taliban, and all of the terrorists responsible for 9/11, while supporting real security in Afghanistan,” Obama said.

“I will make the fight against al Qaeda and the Taliban the top priority that it should be,” the president continued. “This is a war that we have to win.”

While Obama adopted a more conciliatory tone toward the Taliban while in office, and campaigned on “a negotiated peace” with the insurgent group in 2012, that was not an unqualified offer. “We have made it clear that they can be a part of this future if they break with al Qaeda, renounce violence and abide by Afghan laws,” Obama said in May of that year.

Furthermore, Obama pledged in 2008 that his government would not negotiate with terrorists. “George Bush knows that I have never supported engagement with terrorists,” Obama insisted. The least clever solution to this conundrum one could imagine would be to simply stop calling the Taliban terrorists, but times are tough.

Speier’s statement, while not reflective of official administration policy, suggests that the White House’s desire to seek a “negotiated peace” has evolved into the pursuit of an unconditional surrender.


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She is actually right. We should have bombed that “fabric” back into stone age when we had the chance, and let them live on weed, poppies and camel dung for a few more centuries.

Rix on June 10, 2014 at 3:40 PM

God, she’s one ugly broad.

lostmotherland on February 26, 2014 at 4:09 PM

So shallow.

slickwillie2001 on June 10, 2014 at 3:42 PM

Take note of the politicians aiding and abetting our enemies….

d1carter on June 10, 2014 at 3:44 PM

There’s none so blind as those who will not see.

sadatoni on June 10, 2014 at 3:50 PM

Take note of the politicians aiding and abetting our enemies….

d1carter on June 10, 2014 at 3:44 PM

Mind you, they are not enemies to some of our politicians such as this idiot. Simply misunderstood freedom fighters.

hawkeye54 on June 10, 2014 at 3:51 PM

God, she’s one ugly broad.

lostmotherland on February 26, 2014 at 4:09 PM

So shallow.

slickwillie2001 on June 10, 2014 at 3:42 PM

Her ugliness comes from her ideology which is more than skin deep.

hawkeye54 on June 10, 2014 at 3:53 PM

Speier is as stupid a human being as one can imagine. What she doesn’t understand is that the Taliban’s aim is to become part of the fabric of California, and to banish females (even stupid females) to holes in the ground convenient for rock throwing. Is there no Progressive failure she is willing to admit or criticize?

MTF on June 10, 2014 at 3:55 PM

The woman has a short memory. Did she forget 9/11 or does she simply have some innate desire to wear a burka? Seeing the caliber of our elected leadership, it’s becoming obvious that this country is lost.

zoyclem on June 10, 2014 at 3:56 PM

It is unbelievable how low these a$$holes will go to try and cover for President BoyFriend Chuck Hagel.

Truly despicable ba$tards.

BigWyo on June 10, 2014 at 3:56 PM

Well, she’s more attractive than Rosa DeLauro..

ToddPA on June 10, 2014 at 3:57 PM

Seeing the caliber of our elected leadership, it’s becoming obvious that this country is lost.

Not quite yet, but that leadership of which you mention is working desperately to ensure that it is, soon enough.

hawkeye54 on June 10, 2014 at 4:01 PM

How do these people get to any destination without going around in little twisted continuous circles?

Pretzels are twisted and end up in knots.
https://duckduckgo.com/i/ab57a7db.jpg

avagreen on June 10, 2014 at 4:02 PM

I think she means they are part of the fabric of western Pakistan.

V-rod on June 10, 2014 at 4:06 PM

Hey, c’mon, everyone, the Taliban is like cotton–the fabric of our lives.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upd9AtdeAoE

BuckeyeSam on June 10, 2014 at 4:06 PM

“The National Socialist German Workers Party Taliban is a part of the fabric of Germany Afghanistan.”

Ah, why not?

dreadnought62 on June 10, 2014 at 4:17 PM

Hey, c’mon, everyone, the Taliban is like cotton–the fabric of our lives.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upd9AtdeAoE

BuckeyeSam on June 10, 2014 at 4:06 PM

Does that mean we can call cruise missiles “fabric softener”?

dorkintheroad on June 10, 2014 at 4:19 PM

Kind of like how Jonestown was apart of the fabric of Guyana. Right, Jackie?

joekenha on June 10, 2014 at 4:22 PM

Ah the unfounded reputation these gentile Taliban folks have earned due to George Bush and his delusional fantasies. Did you know that in Pashto, “Taliban” actually means “tears of the angels”?

What’s really stunning is the fact that the real war on women is being lead -and fought by the Taliban and this woman is legitimizing them as a political entity. Obama could have an incestuous relationship with one of his daughters and there are some folks who would call it enlightened freedom of sexual expression, and a really forward-thinking move.

BKeyser on June 10, 2014 at 4:25 PM

“Let me underscore the term ‘terrorists,’” Speier told MSNBC’s Kristen Welker when asked for a response to Boehner. “The Taliban is a part of the fabric of Afghanistan.”

“And those people who fell or jumped out of the Twin Towers on 9/11 were just part of the fabric of the pavement, or maybe they were just trying to get to their coffee breaks quicker. How do we know for sure?”

People this stupid shouldn’t be allowed outside without minders.

AZCoyote on June 10, 2014 at 4:28 PM

We should have bombed that “fabric” back into stone age when we had the chance, and let them live on weed, poppies and camel dung for a few more centuries.

Rix on June 10, 2014 at 3:40 PM

I like the way you think!

thejackal on June 10, 2014 at 4:35 PM

This shouldn’t be any surprise. Dems have supported terrorism for years. Birds of a feather.

Obamalies on June 10, 2014 at 4:38 PM

Well, she’s more attractive than Rosa DeLauro..
ToddPA on June 10, 2014 at 3:57

A goblin shark is more attractive than Rosa DeLaurio. Todd you just forced my mind into a comparison No one should have to make. Brrrr!

Cliff by the Ford on June 10, 2014 at 4:38 PM

Rep. Jackie Speier (D-CA), just for you. They do trim their beards after all.

Bmore on June 10, 2014 at 4:51 PM

By that same thought:

Firearms are part of the fabric of the United States. But that doesn’t stop you from freaking the hell out when I exercise my 2A rights.

Nice try.

PermanentWaves on June 10, 2014 at 5:01 PM

Another Democrat woman defending the Taliban who won’t allow girls to attend school and cut the hamstrings of women who dare to go outside without being accompanied by a male relative.

Blake on June 10, 2014 at 5:10 PM

This is another attempt by Obama to re-write a narrative.
“Let’s get someone from a 75% democrat controlled district, say, on the Left Coast, to try and classify the Taliban as Afgan “leadership” and “fabric” so our minions will buy into our major f*k up.”

OccamsRazor on June 10, 2014 at 5:14 PM

Yeah I guess those Taliban beheadings were just an Afghan Cultural quirk

Cleer1 on June 10, 2014 at 5:46 PM

Well, let’s move about 50 Taliban into her neighborhood and we’ll see how long she keeps that opinion that they are not terrorists.

NavyMustang on June 10, 2014 at 5:51 PM

Perhaps if she had some acid thrown on her face she might change her mind? Naw….anything to protect Obama.

poppieseeds on June 10, 2014 at 5:58 PM

Death for apostasy, death for heresy, acid splashed in schoolgirls’ faces – who are we to judge?
(How much you wanna bet her response would be different, had it been the other party that had made this deal?)

Tzetzes on June 10, 2014 at 6:19 PM

Stuck on Stupid and she ain’t getting out.

Missilengr on June 10, 2014 at 6:26 PM

I’m surprised that California elected a Representative who supports a group that kills people just for being gay.

Do her constituents know that?

talkingpoints on June 10, 2014 at 6:27 PM

Malaria isn’t a disease, it’s just part of the fabric of Africa.

Wallythedog on June 10, 2014 at 6:41 PM

lostmotherland You are right. Whoever originally coined the phrase ‘ugly as sin’ had this creature in mind.

Rix You are also right.Nothing good about Afghanistan. You could carpet bomb the entire country and everyone killed would either be a terrorist, future terrorist, mother of a terrorist and if not terrorist, a child molester, a thief, a murderer, or an opium grower or seller. Then, of course, there’s incest, harboring terrorists, extortion and betrayal. I apologize if I have forgotten any transgression.

MaiDee on June 10, 2014 at 6:45 PM

Yeah, true enough. But, then one could follow that thinking and truthfully say that the Nazis were part of the fabric of 1930′s/40′s Germany.

Don L on June 10, 2014 at 6:52 PM

♪ The touch, the feel of Taliban
♪ The fabric of our lives ♫

Is there an intelligent Democratic woman in the House, even one?

God, she’s one ugly broad.

lostmotherland on February 26, 2014 at 4:09 PM

So shallow.

slickwillie2001 on June 10, 2014 at 3:42 PM

They say beauty is only skin deep.

We could skin her and see.

Adjoran on June 10, 2014 at 8:49 PM

Hey Jackie, I have an idea. Why not ask the folks down at Camp Pendleton
what they think.

diogenes on June 10, 2014 at 8:52 PM

This certainly explains all those comments about how the Tea Party was the “American Taliban”

J_Crater on June 11, 2014 at 12:00 AM

If I was a citizen of some other country than the US I’d look at the US as a sunshine ally. Promises made would be worth no more than the paper they were not written upon. Even written promises would be worth no more than a breeze in a hurricane.

First Bush the Elder did it in Iraq. Promises to sects in Iraq that if they arose to help us we’d protect them were broken. Most recently Obama broke the promises made to the women of Afghanistan. And that’s only the most recent broken Obama promise, to US citizens as well as people of other nations.

Obama has basically broken the already somewhat frayed faith that the free world had placed in us. He has achieved his aim – fundamental change. Nobody bothered to ask what change he proposed. “It’s change. It has to be good!” Yup, you even have to change your insurance even though Obama promised you could keep it.

We did it to ourselves as a nation. Isn’t it time we treated ourselves better?

{^_^}

herself on June 11, 2014 at 5:16 AM

They are not terrorists. They are violent community organizers who like to blow stuff up. You nut jobs!!

Brock Robamney on June 11, 2014 at 5:44 AM

I suspect that the representative’s statement was just her normal response of defending anything Obama does but in this case she is correct.

Islam is the basic fabric of Afghanistan and the Taliban are simply expressing Islam in its ultimate, literal, and to Westerners ridiculous, interpretation.

Nomas on June 11, 2014 at 7:07 AM

Remember Democrat Senator Patty Murray’s fondness for Osama Bin Laden, right after 9/11/01?

He’s been out in these countries for decades, building schools, building roads, building infrastructure, building day-care facilities, building health-care facilities, and the people are extremely grateful. He’s made their lives better.

itsnotaboutme on June 11, 2014 at 7:25 AM

When did Penny Marshall get into politics?

mad scientist on June 11, 2014 at 7:46 AM

She could be on the board of the local women’s garden club and think it would be great to grow weeds. What’s in the water if they have any in CA?

Kissmygrits on June 11, 2014 at 8:22 AM

Psht, racists.

Why can’t you just accept that the various Middle-Eastern tribes of the Islamic World deserve their turn at the seat of world power? The WASPs have had more than their turn, and their day is done.

Check Your Privilege and Get With the Program, haters.

/sarcasm

HikaruKitsune on June 11, 2014 at 8:24 AM

And this moron is part of the fabric of stupidity. Good lord people, where do you find these dolts?

rplat on June 11, 2014 at 8:48 AM

Beyond stupid.

NoPain on June 11, 2014 at 10:26 AM

Another example that libs have no idea what reality is or what is actually happening outside of their little circle of idiots.

MSGTAS on June 11, 2014 at 10:50 AM

Were Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols part of the fabric of America?
What an idiot this woman is.

HIltonHeadGuy on June 11, 2014 at 10:54 AM

How ’bout Christians are part of the fabric of the U.S., Rep. Speier?

Show me any … parallel examples of the mistreatment of women by “patriarchal”, domineering, male Christians in this country, compared to the Taliban in Afghanistan.

listens2glenn on June 11, 2014 at 12:26 PM

“‘They were part of the leadership of that country before we engaged there,’ she noted.”

Yes, Dearie. They were. They were the part of the fabric of Afghan society that destroyed ancient Buddhist statues with dynamite, buried loose women in the ground up to their necks and beheaded them with scythes from dirt bikes, converted soccer stadiums into mass execution sites – public attendance mandatory -and took the nation on a short walk back to the 10th century.

jbspry on June 11, 2014 at 12:30 PM

Yeah, true enough. But, then one could follow that thinking and truthfully say that the Nazis were part of the fabric of 1930′s/40′s Germany.

Don L on June 10, 2014 at 6:52 PM

Exactly.

The National Socialists were part of the ‘Fabric of Germany’ before the Allied Forces in Europe threw them out of power.

If this silly legislator had been involved in the rebuilding of Germany after the war, the flag of today’s Germany would probably be sporting a swastika.

An essential element of the rationale for both wars, was that it was necessary to force a change through armed conflict, and cut out that filthy rotting disease-ridden portion of the ‘fabric’, and not let it return in the aftermath.

s1im on June 11, 2014 at 3:06 PM

Where have I seen her before …..??

Oh yeah….

cableguy615 on June 11, 2014 at 9:10 PM

Someone had to elect this piece of work.

TimBuk3 on June 11, 2014 at 11:24 PM

Rep. Jackie Speier (Dumbsh*t-CA)

Bubba Redneck on June 12, 2014 at 1:09 AM

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