Video: Court documents show San Francisco suspect bought poisons

posted at 10:01 am on June 7, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

The strange case of Ryan Kelly Chamberlain II got even stranger yesterday after court documents in the case of the now-captured political activist were made public. On the run for a short period, during which he posted what had appeared to be a suicide note on social media, police and the FBI caught Chamberlain on Monday after patrons at a local bar recognized him from television coverage. Now we know why the FBI took an interest in the former social-media consultant in the first place:

Bomb technicians found a series of items in his house, leading to a manhunt that ended with his arrest Monday. Items included a powdery, green explosive substance, a model rocket motor, ball bearings and an igniter for home-made bombs, according to a different affidavit unsealed earlier this week. It did not list deadly toxins at the time.

But the latest documents detail lethal poisons bought anonymously in dark, encrypted corners of the Web.

“The investigation has revealed that Chamberlain has utilized an anonymous, Internet-based market place known as Black Market Reloaded to facility the unlawful acquisition and possession of biological agents and lethal toxins in California and Florida,” FBI agent Michael Eldridge wrote in the latest documents.

Chamberlain bought abrin from a seller in Sacramento in December, the documents allege. He said he planned to use the poison to “ease the suffering” of cancer patients, according to the documents.

The FBI followed up with the seller in May:

In May, agents questioned a Black Market vendor of toxins, improvised explosives and guns from Sacramento who told agents that he had done business with Chamberlain. The seller said Chamberlain asked for samples of pure abrin to help ease the suffering of cancer patients, according to the affidavit.

The vendor instead sold him two clear vials of ground rosary peas, which can be converted into abrin, the affidavit said. The vials contained enough peas to create hundreds of lethal doses of the toxin.

There is no antidote for abrin, either. Chamberlain apparently represented himself as someone who wanted to help cancer patients, but as KTVU reports, he also asked questions about whether abrin was detectable in an autopsy on someone who had been killed with it:

Chamberlain also bought enough pure nicotine to use in a lethal attack, according to the court records.

These developments still leave a few questions. If Chamberlain bought these in December and the FBI began its investigation in May, that seems like a long time for Chamberlain to have held onto this stuff without trying to use it — unless they suspect that he might have used it, but for now no connection to any suspicious death has been alleged. The investigation started with a raid on the seller, which turned up the records of the sale to Chamberlain, so this might be a case of pure luck in finding a potential domestic terrorist — or is it just a case of clinical depression? That’s the argument Chamberlain’s lawyers made in court:

The lack of an actual attack might demonstrate that the purchase was part of a clinical pathology rather than an intent to commit terrorist acts, but we don’t know what else the FBI might have found on that investigation, either. If it was the former, why would Chamberlain have been so particular about getting pure abrin — to the point of buying his own rosary peas to make it himself? On the other hand, why go for something so exotic that any personal connection to it would tend to be prima facie evidence of guilt? Pathology, or just stupidity?


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Pathology, or just stupidity?

Another obaME thread………………………

VegasRick on June 7, 2014 at 10:05 AM

I must have been in the dark – but who the hell is this guy?

Defenestratus on June 7, 2014 at 10:08 AM

Another unhinged libtard what a shock.

bbinfl on June 7, 2014 at 10:09 AM

Sounds like just another Monday in San Fransicko.

viking01 on June 7, 2014 at 10:15 AM

Ryan Kelly Chamberlain II?

Classic pajama-boy name?

BuckeyeSam on June 7, 2014 at 10:18 AM

Ha.

But the latest documents detail lethal poisons bought anonymously in dark, encrypted corners of the Web.

…posted what had appeared to be a suicide note on social media …

The investigation started with a raid on the seller … so this might be a case of pure luck in finding a potential domestic terrorist …

See the story posted below:

Let’s all welcome the CIA to Twitter”

Are there really any “dark, encrypted corners of the web”? Do people believe police and other government agencies aren’t tracking “social media”. “Pure luck”???

Ha !!!

Ruckus_Tom on June 7, 2014 at 10:21 AM

I must have been in the dark – but who the hell is this guy?

Defenestratus on June 7, 2014 at 10:08 AM

Whew! I thought I was only one who wouldn’t know what the heck this is all about.

Fallon on June 7, 2014 at 10:23 AM

I must have been in the dark – but who the hell is this guy?

Defenestratus on June 7, 2014 at 10:08 AM

Obama’s son?

viking01 on June 7, 2014 at 10:27 AM

Are there really any “dark, encrypted corners of the web”?

Yeah, the various tor sites, but they require you to actually use personal encryption and smart browsing to stay anonymous. The Guardian Project has a lot of information on it.

Asurea on June 7, 2014 at 10:32 AM

These aren’t social media sites. They’re black markets, where you can buy anything from drugs and identities to, well, guns, explosives, and toxins.

And, to answer this BS about “intent or pathology”, sleeper agents can and have prepared for months or years before attacking. This guy needs to take a short trip down a very long elevator shaft, IMO.

Asurea on June 7, 2014 at 10:35 AM

Obama’s son?

[viking01 on June 7, 2014 at 10:27 AM]

Very similar jug ears. Empty headed look on his face.

You might have something here.

Dusty on June 7, 2014 at 10:35 AM

Why … What … ? … ? … ? …

The liberal mind is a thing of mystery – trying to analyze it is an exercise in futility.

Pork-Chop on June 7, 2014 at 10:36 AM

Pathology, or just stupidity?

Difference without distinction in my book. We need to get a grip on our mental illness situation instead of misdirecting the issue with inanimate objects and supposed bigotry.

Cindy Munford on June 7, 2014 at 10:38 AM

Cuckoo

cmsinaz on June 7, 2014 at 10:40 AM

Weird that when their concern for this guy was brought to light, there was a hint that he had Ricin but that was squashed p.d.q., now it sounds worse. I’ll be interested in hearing who his targets were, I doubt it was cancer patients.

Cindy Munford on June 7, 2014 at 10:41 AM

Items included a powdery, green explosive substance, a model rocket motor, ball bearings and an igniter for home-made bombs

Don’t get me wrong, this could be a very bad guy. But, does anyone else – given how much our gov’t is lying to us lately – think that the last three items on that list are pretty innocuous? I have model rocket engines, and the igniters for those could easily be labeled “an igniter for home-made bombs”. I also have ball-bearings in a drawer in my garage. I wonder what the “powdery, green explosive substance” might be…. (Looks like it might be homemade smokeless powder, or a precursor to it.)

Yeah, they claim to have found this stuff prepped into a bomb, or close thereto, but it always makes me twitchy anymore to see them label these things as if their mere presence justifies kicking in your door and slapping you in cuffs.

GWB on June 7, 2014 at 10:56 AM

Haven’t heard about this. Must be a liberal, or it would’ve been all over the national news.

Midas on June 7, 2014 at 11:06 AM

Another mad liberal. Par.

CW on June 7, 2014 at 11:16 AM

Must be a liberal

Midas on June 7, 2014 at 11:06 AM

You’d have that right. Heck it took HA forever to post this as I read this several days ago.

CW on June 7, 2014 at 11:24 AM

I never heard of the stuff..

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrin.

Very similar to ricin.

wolly4321 on June 7, 2014 at 11:25 AM

Haven’t heard about this. Must be a liberal, or it would’ve been all over the national news.

Midas on June 7, 2014 at 11:06 AM

…he’s from San Fran Nazi’s district…of course we wouldn’t hear anything!

KOOLAID2 on June 7, 2014 at 11:48 AM

But the latest documents detail lethal poisons bought anonymously in dark, encrypted corners of the Web.

I like how they make it sound so ominous and foreboding, in all likelihood he used Tails to go through the Tor network, something thousands of people do every day, it’s really not much more than a more secure vpn, nothing ‘dark’ about it.

clearbluesky on June 7, 2014 at 11:58 AM

The “Party of Peace”, The Democrat Party.

jeffinsjvca on June 7, 2014 at 12:09 PM

Hmmmmmm….. another squirrel moment for the FBI? Hmmmmmmm………

ExpressoBold on June 7, 2014 at 3:15 PM

As always, though, let’s remember that “bomb making equipment” is how law enforcement describes the contents of your kitchen tool drawer.

PersonFromPorlock on June 7, 2014 at 3:59 PM

Weird that when their concern for this guy was brought to light, there was a hint that he had Ricin but that was squashed p.d.q., now it sounds worse. I’ll be interested in hearing who his targets were, I doubt it was cancer patients.

Cindy Munford on June 7, 2014 at 10:41 AM

Sounds like one of those nuts who is just accumulating stuff while he tries to figure out where to do the most damage. However, is it illegal to have any of this stuff? Maybe they should have run a sting. A clever lawyer can make a case that none of this is illegal.

crankyoldlady on June 7, 2014 at 4:56 PM

As always, though, let’s remember that “bomb making equipment” is how law enforcement describes the contents of your kitchen tool drawer.

PersonFromPorlock on June 7, 2014 at 3:59 PM

And a cell pnone can be used as an igniter.

crankyoldlady on June 7, 2014 at 4:57 PM

From KTVU

“I was shocked. It blew me away,” said Howard Epstein, the past chair of the San Francisco Republican Party.

Epstein said he worked with Chamberlain years ago before Chamberlain switched sides and joined the Democratic Party’s efforts.

“The only one I know that he worked with after he left the party was Gavin Newsom. He was an organizer when Gavin ran for mayor,” said Epstein.

OK, so his main job was Democrat political consultant or “activist”. He left notes saying to expect a lot of false reporting about him being armed and dangerous, etc.

This case is not adding up … yet.

virgo on June 8, 2014 at 11:06 AM