Angry debate on Morning Joe over Bergdahl dad’s actions

posted at 9:21 am on June 5, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

This debate has raged on blogs and social media ever since Barack Obama put his arm around Robert Bergdahl, so having it erupt of Morning Joe today is less of a surprise and more of a cathartic. Chuck Todd, traveling with Obama on his tour of Europe, reacted to criticism from Joe Scarborough of the elder Bergdahl for his Taliban-friendly behavior prior to the release. Todd rebuked Scarborough for criticizing the father of a captive, a situation that’s impossible to imagine without experiencing it himself, but Scarborough angrily retorts that the father’s actions are open to criticism — especially those prior to his son’s desertion:

“I keep holding up this image where Barack Obama has his arm around a man who is reaching out to pro-Taliban forces, talking about killing Americans,” Scarborough said.

“Joe, Joe, don’t criticize the parents,” Todd replied. “Don’t criticize the parents in here, that are missing a child? Their son is missing for five years. You know what? It is not logical. You cannot handle it. You put yourself in his shoes –”

“I have a 26-year-old son, and if my son is out on the wire and he is out there with fellow troops and he is writes me up and says he hates America and he’s thinking about deserting and he’s thinking about leaving his post, I can tell you as a father of that 26-year-old or 23-year-old son, I’d say, ‘Joey, you stay the hell right there,’” Scarborough said. “I would call his commander, I would say ‘Get my son. He is not well. Get him to a military base in Germany.’ I would not say ‘Follow your conscience, son.’ I would not reach out to the voice of jihad.”

“I’m not backseat driving how someone parents,” Todd replied.

“That is not backseat driving,” Scarborough said. “I am a father. Any good father would not tell their son to follow their conscience and leave men and women on the line.”

“So he’s a bad father?” Todd challenged.

“Yes!” Scarborough said. “Yes, he is! Oh my god, Chuck.”

Scarborough later asks, “Am I alone here in America?” The answer is — most certainly not. There has been an avalanche of criticism and suspicion of the elder Bergdahl’s actions, statements, and motivations. It’s just that most news outlets haven’t touched that story, but this debate has been taking place in largely the same parameters as it did between Scarborough and Todd. Scarborough and Todd end up talking past each other a bit too, as Scarborough aims his criticism mostly at Bergdahl’s fatherly advice prior to the desertion, while Todd attempts to immunize Bergdahl for what happened afterward — which also is a feature of some of the debate in America, too.

For what it’s worth, there is room in between those two positions, too. It’s possible to have empathy for the Bergdahls and understand why they would present a friendly public profile in order to connect with their son’s captors and help keep him alive. That doesn’t give a carte blanche excuse for everything, though, and it certainly doesn’t make Berdgahl père immune from criticism. He made those statements and actions in the public square, but that criticism should be tempered with some compassion for a father who was desperate to save his son’s life.

Mika Brzezinski hits the nail on the head in this exchange. The elder Bergdahl isn’t really the issue — it’s the President who put him up at the Rose Garden podium and wrapped his arm around him. Did no one look into the public statements of Bergdahl before creating that photo op? In military terms, the anger at Bergdahl is collateral damage. The national question isn’t whether Bob Bergdahl is a bad father, but whether Barack Obama is a dangerously incompetent President.


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Put your hand down, verbaluce, I’m talking to everyone else.
 
Bishop on June 5, 2014 at 9:31 AM

 
In case you missed it:
 

I’ve never seriously considered the possibility verbaluce was paid to be here, but that sure is an interesting coincidence.
 
rogerb on June 4, 2014 at 12:35 PM

 
You should seriously consider it.
Like you do all sorts of things.
 
verbaluce on June 4, 2014 at 12:38 PM

rogerb on June 5, 2014 at 11:42 AM

Mika Brzezinski hits the nail on the head in this exchange.

No, she doesn’t. Mika is always dumber than Jeantel, by words and eye-rolls. She didn’t fail today.

The elder Bergdahl isn’t really the issue

Oh, Yes, he is. He is a bitter American who doesn’t like America. He told his son to “follow his conscience”. He never deterred his son and never encouraged him to stay. I loathe Joe, but on this he is absolutely right. It’s those words that TaliPa wrote that might have been the final encouragement to leave.

— it’s the President who put him up at the Rose Garden podium and wrapped his arm around him.

This too, but it is a beauty to behold. The foolish Clarabell obama stood there, while an even more foolish TaliPa claimed unscientifically that his son “doesn’t understand English any more” and then proceeded to babble in Pushtu, and then send Allah his greetings, and the “Ameen”.

The Taliban and Qauida now have the perfect marketing video/s, forever, with a clearly content obama smiling and nodding. Right or wrong, they will claim that obama is on their side.

Did no one look into the public statements of Bergdahl before creating that photo op? In military terms, the anger at Bergdahl is collateral damage. The national question isn’t whether Bob Bergdahl is a bad father, but whether Barack Obama is a dangerously incompetent President.

Flacks surround obama, inept puerile flankies. Valerie Jarrett is the de facto preezie, and it shows.

While it can be understood that parents fight for and want their kids back, Talipa is not innocent in all of this.

Schadenfreude on June 5, 2014 at 11:44 AM

Benghazi, IRS, O-Care, VA, etc., all have infuriated me…but THIS is different…this whole thing just has me feeling almost dread and despair…WHY do this?? Of COURSE the administration knew EVERY SINGLE CIRCUMSTANCE surrounding the Bergdahl disappearance…I don’t care HOW incompetent this administration may be, they knew EVERYTHING. They did it anyway. Escalation of the recklessness is occurring…how much more can our country endure?

ellifint on June 5, 2014 at 11:47 AM

“War on Vets”

Sven on June 5, 2014 at 11:47 AM

I READ THAT THE FATHER WEARS HIS BEARD TO SHOW SOLIDARITY WITH THE TALIBAN. YOU KNOW THE GUYS THAT SHOOT LITTLE GIRLS IN THE HEAD BECAUSE THEY WANT TO GO TO SCHOOL. IF TRUE THIS EXPLAINS A LOT.

Rook on June 5, 2014 at 11:48 AM

Does the phrase “pals around with terrorists” seem appropriate here?

hrh40 on June 5, 2014 at 11:54 AM

I’d like to think, that as sad and embarrassing as this episode is for America, it’s about time SOMETHING like this arose and clued a big part of the country in to how far around the bend these people really are.

FineasFinn on June 5, 2014 at 11:59 AM

The optics were abysmal. Why is POTUS group-hugging Daddy Weird Beard and Sister-Wife here?

ezspirit on June 5, 2014 at 12:09 PM

Chuck Todd is correct here.
And he also comes off quite a bit more objective and logical.
It’s telling that in order to support his tantrum, JS has to invent that the Dad reached out to the Taliban ‘talking about killing Americans’.

But as I’ve said from the start, the problem with these circuses is that the right is never clear or consistent in their complaints.
All this raging at the Dad along with fictionalizing his efforts.
As Ed notes, his actions can be explained (and understood by the less certain and judgmental) as a Dad at pains to show concern and empathy towards his son’s captors in order that they might reciprocate – and not behead the kid.
So f*ck Joe’s ‘well what I would do’.
He has no clue what he’d too if he found himself in that dilemma.
And neither do any of you.

verbaluce on June 5, 2014 at 12:09 PM

I wonder when we will hear from Obama saying, “If I had a white son, he would look (and act) like Bowe Bergdahl”?

djaymick on June 5, 2014 at 12:10 PM

He has no clue what he’d too if he found himself in that dilemma.
And neither do any of you.

verbaluce on June 5, 2014 at 12:09 PM

Umm yes I do. Bergdahl’s Dad’s responses were NOT logical. If you believe their version, then Bergdahl is completely a victim to the Taliban and not a deserter or a traitor.

What kind of parent SYMPATHIZES WITH THE KIDNAPPERS OF HIS FVCKING SON WHOM HE ALLEGES IS AT DEATH DOOR?

melle1228 on June 5, 2014 at 12:14 PM

verbaluce on June 5, 2014 at 12:09 PM

You have no clue what logic is.

Schadenfreude on June 5, 2014 at 12:14 PM

Tell it Joe. You are not alone.

jake49 on June 5, 2014 at 12:15 PM

Fu*king moron, get the facts before you make fake claims, you gnat. The dad encouraged his son to leave his platoon, idiot.

Schadenfreude on June 5, 2014 at 12:15 PM

Choke in obama’s azz, verbie, you total gnat-brain.

Schadenfreude on June 5, 2014 at 12:16 PM

Bob Bergdahl is no better than his son.
Pork-Chop on June 5, 2014 at 9:38 AM

In my opinion, he’s worse.

Newtie and the Beauty on June 5, 2014 at 12:16 PM

verbaluce on June 5, 2014 at 12:09 PM

Choke on it, Liar. Every word in your comment is a lie.

Schadenfreude on June 5, 2014 at 12:17 PM

You suck more of obama’s shit, you creepy swine of the land, and choke from it. It ain’t Beluga caviar. obama hates you sycophants.

Schadenfreude on June 5, 2014 at 12:18 PM

Bob Bergdahl is no better than his son.
Pork-Chop on June 5, 2014 at 9:38 AM

In my opinion, he’s worse.

Newtie and the Beauty on June 5, 2014 at 12:16 PM obama hates you sycophants.

Indeed, he brought up that creepy ballerina.

Biggest mistake, the sissy was recruited in the first place.

Schadenfreude on June 5, 2014 at 12:19 PM

As Ed notes, his actions can be explained (and understood by the less certain and judgmental)…
verbaluce on June 5, 2014 at 12:09 PM

Pee off.

Newtie and the Beauty on June 5, 2014 at 12:20 PM

Biggest mistake, the sissy was recruited in the first place.
Schadenfreude on June 5, 2014 at 12:19 PM

The father also showed NO sense of dedication, NO sense of duty, NO sense of commitment and NO concern for his son.

Newtie and the Beauty on June 5, 2014 at 12:23 PM

No, Joe, you aren’t. In my opinion, The elder Bergdahl should have SHAVED his BEARD to show that his “research” into “understanding” his sons captors was no longer necessary!!!

djl130 on June 5, 2014 at 9:42 AM

This. Also who vets these people in the army? The French Foreign Legion refused him. His whole background and behavior is cookie.

They need to get him in front of a court martial. His comrades are accusing him of desertion, possibly going over to the enemy. If he’s innocent, then he needs to clear his name.

And just to remind liberals of the importance of the rules and honour in a military setting, without them soldiers are just nasty people who kill people. Since soldiers commit ultimate acts, they need impeccable virtue. And as a soldier, I imagine you are acting on the line very often. You need very clear lines that you don’t cross. The honour that we hold our soldiers to is what protects them. So that they can protect us.

Esperanza on June 5, 2014 at 12:25 PM

Schadenfreude on June 5, 2014 at 12:17 PM

Friend,
You’ve been particularly crass and silly with your flamboyant oratory lately.
Spew forth all the irrelevant hogwash you want, but for your own sake maybe spend less time imagining latrine rats and more time conjuring up harlots.

verbaluce on June 5, 2014 at 12:26 PM

You’ve been particularly crass and silly with your flamboyant oratory lately.
Spew forth all the irrelevant hogwash you want, but for your own sake maybe spend less time imagining latrine rats and more time conjuring up harlots.

verbaluce on June 5, 2014 at 12:26 PM

Idiot, I know this story better than you ever will. You and your 35%, got to Hell.

Schadenfreude on June 5, 2014 at 12:28 PM

pals around with Muslim terrorists

ama on June 5, 2014 at 12:29 PM

verbaluce-his actions can be explained (and understood by the less certain and judgmental) as a Dad at pains to show concern and empathy towards his son’s captors in order that they might reciprocate – and not behead the kid.

How do you explain the Taliban bearded father reciting praise to Allah in a tribal language standing next to the POTUS in the rose garden when his son was safely in a US military hospital?
By your analogy the father should have then appeared in the rose garden clean shaven waiving the flag and thanking Jesus for answering his prayers, but he continues his sympathy for the enemy even after his son has been recovered by his country.

Trucorgi on June 5, 2014 at 12:32 PM

He has no clue what he’d too if he found himself in that dilemma.
And neither do any of you.

verbaluce on June 5, 2014 at 12:09 PM

Umm yes I do. Bergdahl’s Dad’s responses were NOT logical. If you believe their version, then Bergdahl is completely a victim to the Taliban and not a deserter or a traitor.

What kind of parent SYMPATHIZES WITH THE KIDNAPPERS OF HIS FVCKING SON WHOM HE ALLEGES IS AT DEATH DOOR?

melle1228 on June 5, 2014 at 12:14 PM

Nah, you just think you know.
You imagine you’d write a bunch of ‘f#ck you’ letters and emails to them.
But you wouldn’t.
And somewhere there’d be a melle1228 on a right-con blog ignorantly vilifying you.

verbaluce on June 5, 2014 at 12:33 PM

But as I’ve said from the start, the problem with these circuses is that the right is never clear or consistent in their complaints.
All this raging at the Dad along with fictionalizing his efforts.

verbaluce on June 5, 2014 at 12:09 PM

Yep, this was a good idea.

1) Get a US citizen out of the hands of terrorists (however he got there).

Good.

2) Have a “hero’s welcome” and Rose Garden for someone who is strongly suspected to be a deserter who got several solider killed.

Good?

3) Have Government officials on twitter claim everyone who is speaking out against Bergdahl (his whole platoon) must be psychopaths and crazies and only Bergdahl is a good soldier as most soldiers are lunatics.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/06/05/hud-official-tweet-was-bergdahls-unit-long-on-psychopaths/

Hey, why not… we’re already off the deep end.

4) Say anyone who wouldn’t do anything to release this guy is evil. Why we’d Nuke Israel off the map for the terrorists to get a single guy back, right?

Straw men are easy to take down, aren’t they?

As Ed notes, his actions can be explained (and understood by the less certain and judgmental)…
verbaluce on June 5, 2014 at 12:09 PM

Yep, just like the mother of a serial killer or any other criminal whose felony actions got people killed. I understand why she’d still think “but he’s a good boy”.

I don’t understand why you’d hole a party for the “good boy” who got people killed by his criminal actions.

I think committing crimes that get innocent people killed is a bad thing. I guess I’m just too “judgmental” to accept that criminals who get people killed are really nice people who we should reward and protect.

Why am I so judgmental… I think criminals are criminals and their crimes are something bad and not good.

Save me verbulace from having any certainty in the world and not putting evil above good.

Let me guess… you meant something else entirely now… right?

gekkobear on June 5, 2014 at 12:34 PM

Not even Biden and Hillary can take this obama-shit.

Schadenfreude on June 5, 2014 at 12:35 PM

The Army knew all along and NEVER classified private Bergdahl as a POW.

Bergdahl stretched the rug out for the terrorists. The Haqquanis welcomed him, from behind. It’s when his azz began to bleed and he went “Holy shit, what have I wrought?”

He was not with the Taliban. The Haqqanis, contrary to their Allah, love loot, of all kinds. They are in total cahoots with the Pakistani intelligence. That’s why no move into obama’s Pokistan.

Schadenfreude on June 5, 2014 at 12:38 PM

Idiot, I know this story better than you ever will. You and your 35%, got to Hell.

Schadenfreude on June 5, 2014 at 12:28 PM

As I said, spew forth all the hogwash you want.
Just be sure to dress appropriately.

verbaluce on June 5, 2014 at 12:38 PM

Today it’s a decade since President Ronald Reagan died.

This oaf is not allowed to spit on that man’s shoes.

He fancies himself “Washington, Lincoln and FDR” and is in reality “chimpey” and Nixon on speed. I love the irony of it all.

Schadenfreude on June 5, 2014 at 12:40 PM

verbaluce on June 5, 2014 at 12:38 PM

Fuck off, dumbbell. Soldiers die for your stupidity.

Schadenfreude on June 5, 2014 at 12:41 PM

Fu*k off dumbbell. Soldiers die for your stupidity.

Schadenfreude on June 5, 2014 at 12:41 PM

I’d like to think, that as sad and embarrassing as this episode is for America, it’s about time SOMETHING like this arose and clued a big part of the country in to how far around the bend these people really are.

FineasFinn on June 5, 2014 at 11:59 AM

“Sad and embarrassing” is Obama in mom-jeans weakly throwing the opening pitch at a ballgame. This is really dangerous stuff – even worse than Jimmy Carter.

monalisa on June 5, 2014 at 12:41 PM

Mika Brzezinski hits the nail on the head in this exchange. The elder Bergdahl isn’t really the issue — it’s the President who put him up at the Rose Garden podium and wrapped his arm around him. Did no one look into the public statements of Bergdahl before creating that photo op? In military terms, the anger at Bergdahl is collateral damage. The national question isn’t whether Bob Bergdahl is a bad father, but whether Barack Obama is a dangerously incompetent President.

Ed Morrissey on June 5, 2014 at 9:21 AM

I read that the Bergdahls were visitors to the White House several times over the past few years. That would explain why Obama looked so comfortable with them, besides their being fellow travelers.

ezspirit on June 5, 2014 at 12:42 PM

+6 job approval in Rasmussen poll today. Scandal continues to float dems higher and higher in some polls.

KW64 on June 5, 2014 at 12:43 PM

I read that the Bergdahls were visitors to the White House several times over the past few years. That would explain why Obama looked so comfortable with them, besides their being fellow travelers subversives of the land.

ezspirit on June 5, 2014 at 12:42 PM

Fify, free

Schadenfreude on June 5, 2014 at 12:43 PM

+6 job approval in Rasmussen poll today. Scandal continues to float dems higher and higher in some polls.

KW64 on June 5, 2014 at 12:43 PM

More and more sheeple on the loot-out. Choke from stealing, all on it.

Schadenfreude on June 5, 2014 at 12:44 PM

Not even Biden and Hillary can take this obama-shit.

Schadenfreude on June 5, 2014 at 12:35 PM

It would be interesting if instead of calling for impeachment, the call was for resignation. If Obama can’t uphold his duties as commander-in-chief, he should resign.

monalisa on June 5, 2014 at 12:45 PM

He was not with the Taliban. The Haqqanis, contrary to their Allah, love loot, of all kinds. They are in total cahoots with the Pakistani intelligence.

Schadenfreude on June 5, 2014 at 12:38 PM

Now the comment I read in The Daily Beast about not wanting to tick off Pakistan after the OBL raid makes sense. It was unwittingly telling, about the gutsy call and why no military rescue of Bergdahl.

ezspirit on June 5, 2014 at 12:46 PM

Esperanza, to be fair to Bergdahl, La Legion Etrangere requires that enlistees give up their passports upon enlistment. It makes it harder to desert, OK there’s irony in that. Anyway Bergdahl may have balked at that requirement & that’s why they “rejected” him. The Legion isn’t a place for everyone, but it’s not that selective, either, as I understand it, so it may have been as much Bergdahl as the Legion.

Verbaluce, Schadenfreude is a bit colourful in his/her invective, but let’s be honest you’re not exactly Tomas Aquinas, when it comes to disputation, either. And in this case, I may UNDERSTAND Elder Bergdahl’s desire to curry favour with Taliban, but that doesn’t mean I have to APPROVE of it….

JFKY on June 5, 2014 at 12:47 PM

gekkobear on June 5, 2014 at 12:34 PM

1) Get a US citizen out of the hands of terrorists (however he got there).

Good.

Very.

2) Have a “hero’s welcome” and Rose Garden for someone who is strongly suspected to be a deserter who got several solider killed.

Bergdahl had a hero’s welcome at the WH? I didn’t even know he was back in the US. Was there a parade too. That’s bad.
I am aware his folks were present for the announcement of what you above called a good thing.

3) Have Government officials on twitter claim everyone who is speaking out against Bergdahl (his whole platoon) must be psychopaths and crazies and only Bergdahl is a good soldier as most soldiers are lunatics.

I saw that guy’s tweets reported. Pretty stupid and out of line.
The Bergdahl critics from his troop appear to be steallar and honorable men. I have no reason nor inclination at all to doubt them.

4) Say anyone who wouldn’t do anything to release this guy is evil. Why we’d Nuke Israel off the map for the terrorists to get a single guy back, right?

Wow…someone said they’d do that? And that bit about anyone not doing everything is evil?
Crazy.

Straw men are easy to take down, aren’t they?

Yep.

verbaluce on June 5, 2014 at 12:51 PM

+6 job approval in Rasmussen poll today. Scandal continues to float dems higher and higher in some polls.

KW64 on June 5, 2014 at 12:43 PM

By the same poll, 40% approve of the deal, 43% oppose and 17% are undecided.

Most likely, the bounce was from the hardcore left, who had begun to despair of Obama keeping his campaign promises to them to end the war and close Gitmo.

52% approve of Obama, and 46% disapprove. 63% say the country is headed in the wrong direction.

(Those numbers sound familiar?)

ezspirit on June 5, 2014 at 12:53 PM

verbaluce on June 5, 2014 at 12:51 PM

Pure Einstein!

Schadenfreude on June 5, 2014 at 12:54 PM

ezspirit on June 5, 2014 at 12:53 PM

Another poll just out has the Bergdahl approval at only 35%. I hope they choke from consuming obama’s chit.

Schadenfreude on June 5, 2014 at 12:55 PM

It would be interesting if instead of calling for impeachment, the call was for resignation. If Obama can’t uphold his duties as commander-in-chief, he should resign.
monalisa on June 5, 2014 at 12:45 PM

That might work, Monalisa, IF he was presented with NO other choice, a la Nixon.

But zero doesn’t see things that way, and an impeachment might be required not only to bring his offenses to the fore, but to rein back the power he has usurped from Congress.

Newtie and the Beauty on June 5, 2014 at 12:59 PM

Verbaluce, Schadenfreude is a bit colourful in his/her invective, but let’s be honest you’re not exactly Tomas Aquinas, when it comes to disputation, either.

JFKY on June 5, 2014 at 12:47 PM

I make no claim, though I do make the effort.
Schad wouldn’t be Schad without the, um, creative metaphors and analogies.
(And a word of caution: If I’d written ‘colorful’ as you did, rogerb would be positing all sorts of new rumors – or rumours – about who’s payroll I was on.)

verbaluce on June 5, 2014 at 12:59 PM

Well Verbaluce, I don’t routinely defend the indefensible… even THIS level of stupidity you try to palliate; truth to tell, I figure someone MUST be paying you to come in & take this level of abuse & to advance, at times, the poorest talking points I’ve seen….

JFKY on June 5, 2014 at 1:02 PM

Brigitte Gabriel (who is well-versed in this subject) says that what Bobhammed Bergdahl said in Arabic at the White House is the EXACT phrase Muslims use historically to CLAIM the land upon which it is uttered – think about that.

PJ Emeritus on June 5, 2014 at 1:04 PM

Leftist source, no less

The White House has been caught off guard by the negative reaction to the deal that freed Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, the last American prisoner of war in Afghanistan.

It has been particularly surprised by criticism of Bergdahl, who is accused of walking away from his unit shortly before being abducted by the Taliban.

The surprise helps explain why the administration has struggled to respond to the criticism, which appears to have caught officials flat-footed.

Political observers say the White House miscalculations were highlighted by the decision to have President Obama appear alongside Bergdahl’s parents in a Saturday night address at the White House Rose Garden.

“They put too positive a spin on what is a very ambiguous set of circumstances,” Southern Methodist University professor Cal Jillson said.

“A big part of the WH stew on this is typical photo op hubris,” said Boston University political strategist Tobe Berkovitz. “Instead of just bringing Bergdahl back, they had to do the full kissy-huggy announcement with mom and dad figuring this good news would push the VA mess off the front page.”

The administration believed any criticism of the deal would be overshadowed by a positive story: the freeing of a U.S. soldier after five years of captivity in Afghanistan, just as the war there is drawing to an end.

Schadenfreude on June 5, 2014 at 1:05 PM

Chuck Todd is upset that he didn’t get Jay Carney’s press secretary job; promises to do better in the future.

Ricard on June 5, 2014 at 1:12 PM

Esperanza, to be fair to Bergdahl, La Legion Etrangere requires that enlistees give up their passports upon enlistment. It makes it harder to desert, OK there’s irony in that. Anyway Bergdahl may have balked at that requirement & that’s why they “rejected” him. The Legion isn’t a place for everyone, but it’s not that selective, either, as I understand it, so it may have been as much Bergdahl as the Legion.

It’s actually more selective than legend has it. Interestingly they have beards like the BergDad’s…

The first thing they do is psychological tests, I would imagine to weed out the kooks. Also there are up to 8000 candidates for 1000 places. I’m betting Bowe didn’t get past day one. In peace time deserting the Legion carries 3 years prison.

You give up more than your passport, traditionally they change their name too.

Esperanza on June 5, 2014 at 1:13 PM

I’ll take “Barack Obama is a dangerously incompetent President” for $400, Alex.

Simonsez on June 5, 2014 at 9:31 AM

The 6 trillion you took it for already wasn’t enough?

Alberta_Patriot on June 5, 2014 at 1:14 PM

Well Verbaluce, I don’t routinely defend the indefensible…

JFKY on June 5, 2014 at 1:02 PM

Yet here you are defending the attacks on the family? debate amongst yourselves – but can’t risk one’s stature, right?
I’m relieved of that concern and not the one working from talking points.
And I’m 100% good with that.

verbaluce on June 5, 2014 at 1:15 PM

verbaluce on June 5, 2014 at 12:59 PM

Good afternoon. I this a hill worth fighting for?

Bmore on June 5, 2014 at 1:16 PM

The only family member worth defending is the silent mom.

Schadenfreude on June 5, 2014 at 1:17 PM

(And a word of caution: If I’d written ‘colorful’ as you did, rogerb would be positing all sorts of new rumors – or rumours – about who’s payroll I was on.)
 
verbaluce on June 5, 2014 at 12:59 PM

 
I figured it might make more sense than you truly believing what you say and persisting past foolishness before you suddenly have to flee the threads attend conferences on short notice.
 
But we’re fine sticking with no-,-he-actually-believes-that-stuff, too.

rogerb on June 5, 2014 at 1:18 PM

*Is

Bmore on June 5, 2014 at 1:18 PM

Schadenfreude on June 5, 2014 at 1:17 PM

This * is still your friend. You need not be reckless like me. ; )

Bmore on June 5, 2014 at 1:19 PM

ezspirit on June 5, 2014 at 12:53 PM

That is one explanation for the President’s job approval going up in that poll, — that the far left progressive complainers that the adnimistration was all talk and no action are coming home after the EPA CO2 rules shutting down fossil fuel plants came out on Monday and the moves toward closing Gitmo reflected in the Taliban deal.

I still wonder if Rasmussen only using likely voters is missing some conservatives who say they will stay home in dissatisfaction with the GOP and thus does not count them as likely voters.

KW64 on June 5, 2014 at 1:20 PM

verbaluce on June 5, 2014 at 12:59 PM

Good afternoon. I this a hill worth fighting for?

Bmore on June 5, 2014 at 1:16 PM

We’re not fighting for a hill.
We’re having an argument. At this stage about too many different things.
But so it goes…

verbaluce on June 5, 2014 at 1:20 PM

“Attacks on the family” you mean asking why Elder Bergdahl didn’t tell his son to grit it out to not betray his fellows AND point pout that the Taliban have a tendency to take off heads, so deserting is not a WISE idea as well as a IMMORAL one?

You mean THOSE “attacks” to be distinguished from calling his platoon-mates “psychopaths” or “liars” or suggesting that their “emotional memories” are wrong? Now THOSE aren’t attacks, but pointing out, correctly, what Bergdahl & his father did those ARE attacks.

Basically, you are a paid or unpaid Obama hack… I’d actually think better of you if you showed us the cheques from OFA or Plouffe, THEN your obstinate and/or hypocritical remarks would at least be understandable. As it is, I can not grasp your need to come in & defend any of the Bergdahl’s….YOUR GUY, stepped on his poncho in a massive way & so far all you & he seem to be able to do is dig the hole deeper.

JFKY on June 5, 2014 at 1:21 PM

The only family member worth defending is the silent mom.

Schadenfreude on June 5, 2014 at 1:17 PM

That’s big of you.
Though how long before ‘bad mom’?

verbaluce on June 5, 2014 at 1:23 PM

Your soldier son sends you a letter stating a desire to desert and you tell him to follow his conscience? As if the kid is merely thinking of leaving business school to live at an artist’s colony in Taos.

What were the expected results of deserting in the Graveyard of Armies. Either the kid joins up with terrorists successfully OR his parents get to see a vid of their son having his head hacked-off with a rusty kitchen knife.

What sort of father is this guy?

Bishop on June 5, 2014 at 9:59 AM

Funny how they are both suddenly ‘slaves’ to their conscience, but the young one tried hard to get into the Foreign Legion before joining army, as per both old B and the young one’s platoon mates, I guess that being a mercenary with a roothless bunch in the service of whoever pays better was in complete agreement with his conscience at the time.

jimver on June 5, 2014 at 1:25 PM

Enjoy this, D-larine-rats. Be happy.

Schadenfreude on June 5, 2014 at 1:26 PM

Though how long before ‘bad mom’?

verbaluce on June 5, 2014 at 1:23 PM

You are a fool on display and don’t realize it.

Schadenfreude on June 5, 2014 at 1:26 PM

This * is still your friend. You need not be reckless like me. ; )

Bmore on June 5, 2014 at 1:19 PM

Meh, I’d squish it in the field, like a flea.

Schadenfreude on June 5, 2014 at 1:28 PM

obama is not on the Nov. ticket. The D-rats who are are in desperado mode. obama ruined Biden and Hillary and they are distancing themselves from him on Bergdahl. Must be a good deal.

Schadenfreude on June 5, 2014 at 1:30 PM

Jimver,to be fair to Bowe; I think he’s a Romantic… wanted to be in the Role of TE Lawrence, the dashing warrior-poet, doing great things! He was home-schooled in Idaho (& yes I am stereotyping, here) he was reared by an odd lot, & probably didn’t have that much social interaction, in short he lived inside his own head. The US Army wants SOLDIERS, not Warrior-Poets…& the real world of soldiering wasn’t what Bowe thought it would be. So rather than grow up & admit that he had “thought like a child” & “spoke like a child” & needed to put away childish things, he deserted….

Note, I’m not EXCUSING, I’m EXPLAINING. His father encouraged him in the childish ways, by not counseling that he stay on post that he tough it out, that he seek counseling…..

Nice try Verbaluce, “bad mom”… no one has gone there because she hasn’t deserted or gone to the Rose Garden & prayed in Pushto .

JFKY on June 5, 2014 at 1:33 PM

The photo op with Taliban Dad, sister wife, and Dear Leader is a metaphor for the regime more broadly …

Whitey Ford on June 5, 2014 at 1:36 PM

JFKY on June 5, 2014 at 1:21 PM

You’re all straw man there.
One idiot tweeted the ‘psychopaths’ line.
Did I offer some defense for that – or maybe it was the opposite?

But you are fine with any and all attacks on Bergdahl and his family.
None of it crosses the line for you?
You just can’t fathom defending them against any of the attacks or insinuations at all?
You and I know barely know jack sh&t about all then went on and down here.
But at least I know that.

verbaluce on June 5, 2014 at 1:37 PM

Post of the day:

The optics were abysmal. Why is POTUS group-hugging Daddy Weird Beard and Sister-Wife here?

ezspirit on June 5, 2014 at 12:09 PM

I had to borrow sister wife …

Whitey Ford on June 5, 2014 at 1:40 PM

One “idiot” who is a part of the Administration, working in Public Affairs @ HUD, so it wasn’t just some internet “voice.”

Again what attacks? I don’t see anyone saying that the Bergdahl’s are lying psychopaths, determined to cover their dysfunction by “smearing” anyone.

What I see is pretty much everyone pointing out that Bowe, deserted, & that it was an unwise policy to trade for him, that the trade violated the law, & that the Bergdahl’s seem very much more interested in the feeling of the Taliban, than their fellow Americans.

JFKY on June 5, 2014 at 1:44 PM

Fantastic discussion!

What I’d like to know is:
- under what threats were soldiers in Bergdahl’s platoon forced to sign a non-disclosure statement?
- have soldiers in the field ever been asked to do this before?
- Are the chances of Bergdahl ever being tried for desertion minus zero?

Gotta hand it to this administration, they’re out to win. Yes, they said, the video started the Benghazi terrorist attack, & yes, Bergdahl served with honor & distinction. From the brilliance of Susan Rice.

Schadenfreude: regarding your post @ 11:44a; well written & I’m in total agreement.

Belle on June 5, 2014 at 1:47 PM

Again what attacks?…

…the Bergdahl’s seem very much more interested in the feeling of the Taliban, than their fellow Americans.

JFKY on June 5, 2014 at 1:44 PM

There you go.

verbaluce on June 5, 2014 at 1:47 PM

Brigitte Gabriel (who is well-versed in this subject) says that what Bobhammed Bergdahl said in Arabic at the White House is the EXACT phrase Muslims use historically to CLAIM the land upon which it is uttered – think about that.

PJ Emeritus on June 5, 2014 at 1:04 PM

This statement by Bergdahl senior appears to me to be much more than just bad form, but is instead an sincere expression of his sympathies, particularly since his son was already removed from the environment which could cause Bergdahl senior to claim he was making the statement to protect his son.
The reprehensible actions of the son and the statements of the father ensure that the Bergdahl name will henceforth be associated with infamy and not honor, and rightly so.
The incompetence of the Obama administration throughout this sordid affair enhances the credibility of its critics. It is not so easy to dismiss criticism as racism when the incompetence is publicly visible and overwhelmingly apparent.

bobthm3 on June 5, 2014 at 1:48 PM

Good afternoon. I this a hill worth fighting for?

Bmore on June 5, 2014 at 1:16 PM

For verbie, any hill is worth fighting for as long as it’s making excuses for Il Dufus…..

Athos on June 5, 2014 at 1:50 PM

“There you go” huh? Well can’t argue with “logic” like that… pointing out that Elder Bergdahl seems more worried about dead Afghans than the dead Americans who looked for his son, is an “attack”… but being lying psychopaths, with bad memories… all good… got it. Really, Verbaluce, I doubt you’re getting paid, now… are they that desperate for online support that they let you advance such tripe?

JFKY on June 5, 2014 at 1:52 PM

I know barely know jack sh&t.

But at least I know that.

verbaluce on June 5, 2014 at 1:37 PM

Rogerb, save this classic, pls.

Schadenfreude on June 5, 2014 at 1:53 PM

Todd rebuked Scarborough for criticizing the father of a captive, a situation that’s impossible to imagine without experiencing it himself….

I’m actually quite stunned that the unethical hack Chuck Todd(*) didn’t throw his hat into the ring to replace Carney – particularly since he’s been doing Carney’s job on NBC News for the past 5 1/2 years.

[(*)- Edit: Yes, I know this is an insult to all of the unethical hacks in the world.]

Athos on June 5, 2014 at 1:54 PM

Verbaluce: “hope and change” “hope and change” “Obama is never wrong”

melle1228 on June 5, 2014 at 1:54 PM

For Verbie:

“I am still working to free all Guantanamo prisoners,” the tweet said, according to various screen grabs. The tweet was subsequently deleted. “God will repay for the death of every Afghan child, ameen.”

Who is the elder Bergdahl going to repay?

And yes, I have no problem writing f&ck you letters to the elder or the younger.

Unlike either one of those idiots, my husband actually helped save Afghani children while he was in Afghanistan. The Taliban blew up a market place.

melle1228 on June 5, 2014 at 2:00 PM

verbaluce on June 5, 2014 at 1:37 PM

Just curious if you have had any opportunity to read and or comment on any of the other Bergdahl threads here at HA. There are quite a few of them it would seem. This one was good. My comment was as usual straight forward and short. “We are all psychopaths now.”

Bmore on June 5, 2014 at 2:01 PM

I thought the reasoning offered up to us on this one was good as well verbaluce. Your take?

Bmore on June 5, 2014 at 2:03 PM

Papa Bergdahl isn’t the worst person Obama has put his arm around in the White House.

Wigglesworth on June 5, 2014 at 2:04 PM

Pertaining to comments vrebaluce, I thought that canopfor made a very good observation.

If only this over-zealousness was applied to Benghazi while it was
under attack, fighting for their lives!!

Jus say’n!!

canopfor on June 5, 2014 at 1:52 PM

Bmore on June 5, 2014 at 2:05 PM

*verbaluce, sorry verbaluce.

Bmore on June 5, 2014 at 2:06 PM

The only family member worth defending is the silent mom.

Schadenfreude on June 5, 2014 at 1:17 PM

That’s big of you.
Though how long before ‘bad mom’?

verbaluce on June 5, 2014 at 1:23 PM

My personal line would be when she grows a beard and starts criticizing our country too. I doubt that will happen as good Taliban wives will remain dutifully silent in deference to their owner-husbands. More popcorn anyone.

The biggest tragedy is that the VA scandal – and a dozen others – is taking back seat to this fiasco.

LarryinLA on June 5, 2014 at 2:08 PM

Verbie try repeating this:

“Attacks on an obvious group of enemy-sympathizers” and you will find yourself closer (actually standing right on top of) the truth.

PJ Emeritus on June 5, 2014 at 2:10 PM

Absolutely everyone is missing the point here, which is that this is clearly Ronald Reagan’s fault. If he had not decided to boycott the Olypmics, Bergdhad would have been able to cycle is way to defection and live a life of bliss in the glorious Motherland. Reagan deprived him of the opportunity to follow his conscience, forcing him to live vicariously through his son.

stvnscott on June 5, 2014 at 2:11 PM

LarryinLA, stop crying…I don’t care if it’s Fast & Furious, IRS, ObamaCare, Benghazi, the VA or this that finally drives the nail into his coffin.

JFKY on June 5, 2014 at 2:14 PM

Absolutely everyone is missing the point here, which is that this is clearly Ronald Reagan’s Jimmy Carter’s fault. If he had not decided to boycott the Olypmics, Bergdhad would have been able to cycle is way to defection and live a life of bliss in the glorious Motherland. Reagan Carter deprived him of the opportunity to follow his conscience, forcing him to live vicariously through his son.

stvnscott on June 5, 2014 at 2:11 PM


Be factual

Schadenfreude on June 5, 2014 at 2:18 PM

Has Verbaluce left, again? D@Rn…he was stomping me…

JFKY on June 5, 2014 at 2:18 PM

Well, Schadenfreude really it was BOTH Carter & Reagan. Carter boycotted the Olympics, but then Reagan ended the USSR… so no biking or USSR….

JFKY on June 5, 2014 at 2:20 PM

Just for you, stvnscott

Plus, today it’s 10 years since President Ronald Reagan died. obama, the Clarabell of all presidents, is not allowed to even spit on his shoes.

Schadenfreude on June 5, 2014 at 2:22 PM

PoP Bergdahl gave his son unsound advice before he left his unit in search of nirvana.

Pop then went “native”, beard, cloths, Afghan/Islam? Arabic/Pashto for 5 years?
Did Bergdal get schooled on his new Afghani culture direct from his sons handlers via internet? And, was in contact with his son all along?

PoP visited with WH CounterTerrorism office
Was Bergdahl offered a role in getting the 5 Taliban bosses released?
Was part of the deal to clean up sons “military record”?

Does BigSven smell a rat?

BigSven on June 5, 2014 at 2:40 PM

LarryinLA, stop crying…I don’t care if it’s Fast & Furious, IRS, ObamaCare, Benghazi, the VA or this that finally drives the nail into his coffin.

JFKY on June 5, 2014 at 2:14 PM

I would agree except that I doubt Obama’s coffin will be closed in under 2.5 years. Few have the fortitude for impeachment and Congress shows little ability to restrain his excesses. By then I fear that coffin will include quarters for what was left of our economy, our way of life and for many more good Americans trying to serve under at best truly incompetent or maybe (probably) malevolent leadership.

LarryinLA on June 5, 2014 at 2:55 PM

Like many in my generation, military service was voluntary. After “growing up”, I have come to realize that this has left not only my generation, but my children’s, without the concept of putting your life on the line for a brother in arms. The elder Bergdahl’s reaction to his son’s disenchantment is a symptom of this very problem. We civilians have lived in the luxury of idealism. I was fortunate to have a father-in-law who served for life, and also interacted with soldiers because we ended up living near a military base. This helped me to grow up and see the “cut above” that even the most lowly private is. Bergdahl’s conscience appealed to a selfish idealism, and not the sacrificial mindset that we (and his brothers in arms) need on the battlefield.

momsaysso on June 5, 2014 at 3:29 PM

how long before ‘bad mom’?

verbaluce

If mom were standing there with Obama’s arm around her waist wearing a burka, she would be throwing up the same red flags as her kook husband. Obama’s handlers would have served him well to have kept dad off the platform Obama handed to him.

Trucorgi on June 5, 2014 at 3:45 PM

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