Team Hillary distancing themselves from Bergdahl swap?

posted at 9:21 am on June 4, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

The first hint that Hillary Clinton didn’t want to tie herself to the spike-the-football strategy from the White House strategy for the Bowe Bergdahl swap could be described as a dog that didn’t bark. The former Secretary of State held her tongue for two days, and then only tepidly defended the deal in which Barack Obama traded five of the most dangerous men in Gitmo for the captive US soldier:

“This young man, whatever the circumstances, was an American citizen — is an American citizen — was serving in our military,” Clinton said. “The idea that you really care for your own citizens and particularly those in uniform, I think is a very noble one.” …

“You don’t want to see these five prisoners go back to combat. There’s a lot that you don’t want to have happen. On the other hand you also don’t want an American citizen, if you can avoid it, especially a solider, to die in captivity,” Clinton said. “I think we have a long way to go before we really know how this is going to play out.”

Translation: As choices go, this was certainly … one of them. Clinton was smart enough not to climb onto Obama’s bandwagon from the beginning, although one has to wonder whether that unannounced “private lunch” on the previous Thursday was an attempt to get her on board. (If so, it raises more questions about Obama’s failure to notify Congress about the release of the five Talibani.)

Forget the bandwagon analogy, and think of sinking ships instead. Within less than a day after that statement, “former officials” in the State Department were busy talking with The Daily Beast’s Josh Rogin to explain that Hillary Clinton would have driven a much harder bargain than Obama, and even then may not have done the swap anyway:

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was personally and intensely involved in the debate over swapping five Taliban commanders for Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl in 2011 and 2012. But she had severe reservations about the potential deal, and demanded stricter conditions for the release of the prisoners than what President Obama settled for last week.

Despite that the White House’s claim this week that the United States did not negotiate “directly” with the Taliban to secure the Bergdahl swap, the State Department, Defense Department, and White House officials did meet several times with Taliban leaders in 2011 and 2012 to discuss the deal. The negotiations, held in in Munich and Doha, fell apart in early 2012. But before they did, Clinton had a framework deal drawn up that was much tougher on the Taliban than what ultimately got done two years later.

Three former administration officials who were involved in the process told The Daily Beast that Clinton was worried about the ability to enforce the deal and disinclined to trust the Taliban or the Haqqani network in Pakistan, which held Bergdahl until this weekend. Clinton was so concerned, the former officials added, that she may not have even signed off if the negotiations had succeeded.

Hillary didn’t want to work with the Haqqani network at all, Rogin’s sources tell him, and didn’t like the idea of a swap for just Bergdahl. She wanted an end to all hostilities as a price for the release of the five Taliban leaders in Gitmo. In fact, that much is on the record from 2012:

In late 2012, Clinton spokesman Patrick Ventrell said the Bergdahl case was only one part of the overall effort to convince the Taliban to make peace. “We said within the reconciliation track… that his case was something that, in that track, could potentially be raised.”

In other words, this looks like a legitimate defense in regard to a serious split between Obama and Hillary during her tenure at State. It also appears as though the Clinton team is worried that this will stick to Hillary and that any future fallout from the release will do damage to her prospects, especially since her claim to executive expertise is necessarily tied to Obama’s foreign-policy outcomes. The fact that Team Hillary is aggressively staking out her position with this much distance on a key decision from Obama leaves the White House more isolated than ever.

The Hill reports that the Obama administration has belatedly begun to retract its arrogance:

The Obama administration has apologized for bypassing Congress before it released senior Taliban commanders from Guantanamo Bay as part of a controversial prisoner exchange.

The expression of regret was a major shift for the White House, which had previously offered a defiant defense on why it could not adhere to the notification provisions of a 2013 law. …

White House officials have changed their tone markedly over the past 48 hours after insisting they had nothing to apologize for.

This is an utter political disaster, and with the five Taliban leaders on the loose in Qatar, the political disaster is almost certain to be the least of American concerns over the long haul.


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Please double down on your scorning of Bmore for cruelly “making fun of stutterers”. His comment was cruel, and such cruelty shouldn’t be tolerated on Hot Air. I’m glad we have righteous commenters like you on here to correct such behavior.

blink on June 4, 2014 at 10:47 AM

i wasnt seriosly admonishing him. you guys need to learn to have a sense of humour.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on June 4, 2014 at 10:53 AM

This scumhag is as culpable as obama and has as much blood on her hands and cankles.

There is nothing left for her to save. The land is where it is in great part due to her too.

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2014 at 10:54 AM

The scumhag is a self-declared misanthrope and she is also a mysagonist.

She will NEVER be supported by the obamas, who hate her passionately.

Warrenhonta/Booker, or

Warrenhonta/Castro — 2016

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2014 at 10:56 AM

…why is anybody responding to the KochSucker?

KOOLAID2 on June 4, 2014 at 10:59 AM

Nice strawman.

Problem is it does not distract from the real issue. That would be, very simply, negotiating with terrorists and putting them back on the battlefield, which Hillary did not oppose.

In other words, Hillary disagreed on scope, not approach.

Marcus Traianus on June 4, 2014 at 11:00 AM

KOOLAID2 on June 4, 2014 at 10:39 AM

Excellent question.

kingsjester on June 4, 2014 at 11:00 AM

…why is anybody responding to the KochSucker?

KOOLAID2 on June 4, 2014 at 10:59 AM

why are half of your comments on this website telling people to ignore me? isnt that pretty selfdefeating?

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on June 4, 2014 at 11:02 AM

This is an utter political disaster, and with the five Taliban leaders on the loose in Qatar, the political disaster is almost certain to be the least of American concerns over the long haul.

I believe the tempest was stirred up purposefully, to blow out the VA scandal and reset the momentum of the coming elections.

Both Obama and Hillary would have known the guy was a deserter and a traitor from the beginning. State would have known from the moment they got the soldier’s file. Even on public record, the military refused to classify him as a POW. There was a reason the other soldiers were made to sign non disclosure agreements.

Hillary’s Good Cop/Bad Cop daily beast essay was carefully written. She needs to stand apart from Obama for her coming election run, she being the good cop.

The Daily Beast links to a 2012 State dept briefing, where Hillary’s spokesperson lays it on heavy about the dear soldier, whom State knew was a deserter:

(2012) MR. VENTRELL: Again, you’re referring, I believe, to Mr. Bowe Bergdahl’s case, Sergeant Bergdahl. As we’ve said before, our hearts go out to the Bergdahl family. We have great sympathy for them. We understand – as you know, his family has already decided to make his case public, and he’s just been held for too long and we continue to call for his immediate release. And suffice it to say that we – while we can’t discuss all the details of our efforts, there should be no doubt that we work every day, using our military, intelligence, and diplomatic tools to try to see him returned home safely.

In 2012 Hillary was working harder than she ever worked in her life to rescue the deserter

Yesterday Hillary topped the whipped cream with a cherry with the classic Hillary defense:

“This young man, whatever the circumstances, was an American citizen — is an American citizen — was serving in our military,” Clinton said. “The idea that you really care for your own citizens and particularly those in uniform, I think is a very noble one.”

Was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided that they’d they go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it make?

At this moment they want Obama to be on the defensive, they want Hillary to look better than him, they need to reset the election. They also hope to reset Americans to believe ‘what difference does it make?’

IMHO it is a pure PR manipulation

entagor on June 4, 2014 at 11:05 AM

if you think there is any chance it wasnt a joke then your sensors..like bluegills..are in great need of recalibration.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on June 4, 2014 at 10:11 AM

Joke or serious issues?

Aren’t you the banned commenter who had the screen name “donabernathy”?

bluegill on June 2, 2014 at 8:14 PM

no. roflmmfao.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on June 2, 2014 at 8:18 PM

Mark Boabaca on June 4, 2014 at 10:20 AM

He’s also mimicked Schadenfreude before. He’s trying to muddy the waters.

His history with multiple socks is known. He hasn’t always tried to hide it. He has wasted countless hours of everyone’s time here with his trolling foolishness. At least 2 of his socks have been banned. Ed should run an IP check on his socks.

non-nonpartisan on June 4, 2014 at 11:07 AM

kingsjester on June 4, 2014 at 11:00 AM

…nice ‘take’ this morning!

KOOLAID2 on June 4, 2014 at 11:08 AM

KOOLAID2 on June 4, 2014 at 11:08 AM

Thank you, my friend!

kingsjester on June 4, 2014 at 11:13 AM

For those soldiers it’s personal. Even if one or two of them are hardcore Democrats, party loyalty can’t overcome it. My dad (a Vietnam veteran) is as leftist as it gets. Bring up the subject of Hanoi Jane Fonda and he STILL gets angry! –

ConstantineXI on June 4, 2014 at 9:49 AM

I am part of the Vietnam generation. I was born in 1951. The draft ended in January 1973 when the Paris Peace Accords were signed. I graduated in of 1973. My draft number was 90, so I was bound to be drafted. I had no intention of going to going to Canada. I would have reported for induction, even though everyone at the time thought the war was a no win situation for the United States. As for Jane Fonda, she has apologized. Later she married Ted Turner. Turner sent all of his sons, which none of them were hers, to The Citadel for college. To my knowledge, she never appeared on campus.

SC.Charlie on June 4, 2014 at 10:04 AM

Jane Fonda is a dirty whore.

slickwillie2001 on June 4, 2014 at 11:15 AM

non-nonpartisan on June 4, 2014 at 11:07 AM

Koch is funny. You guys really need to quit being koched.

Yesterday Koch gave the trolls hell, over the Bergdahl goebellian azz-kissing, with abandon of any shame and sense of reality about traitors. No leftist has ever done that here.

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2014 at 11:18 AM

humour.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on June 4, 2014 at 10:53 AM

Sorry to hear about your Montreal Canadien. Stanley Cup Finals start tonight and they will be crying and watching from home.

Oh, and say High to Dave Drywall and Red Green for me.

Del Dolemonte on June 4, 2014 at 11:19 AM

Koch is funny. You guys really need to quit being koched.

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2014 at 11:18 AM

I think he’s funny like Syephen Colbert is funny. He’s a selfish, disruptive moron who’s not as humorous as he thinks he is.

Ed seems to share my opinion about his trolling, not yours. I think he should be banned for violating the TOS here, just like before. =)

non-nonpartisan on June 4, 2014 at 11:23 AM

non-nonpartisan on June 4, 2014 at 11:23 AM

If he is whom I think he is, he does this garbage on Conservative FB Pages, also.

kingsjester on June 4, 2014 at 11:25 AM

If he is whom I think he is, he does this garbage on Conservative FB Pages, also.

kingsjester on June 4, 2014 at 11:25 AM

Schadenfreude thinks this kind of trolling is just great. I and many others here don’t.

I was an acquaintance of a guy who was an illustrator for a known Marvel comic book. A guy I used to be good friends with would go to his forum, and “jokingly” criticize his art constantly, and get into “arguments” with those who defended my acquiantance. The Koch troll has a similar mental problem as my old friend.

non-nonpartisan on June 4, 2014 at 11:32 AM

non-nonpartisan on June 4, 2014 at 11:32 AM

It is pitiful.

kingsjester on June 4, 2014 at 11:35 AM

Ed seems to share my opinion about his trolling, not yours. I think he should be banned for violating the TOS here, just like before. =)

non-nonpartisan on June 4, 2014 at 11:23 AM

I would not bet on this.

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2014 at 11:38 AM

Ed seems to share my opinion about his trolling, not yours. I think he should be banned for violating the TOS here, just like before. =)

non-nonpartisan on June 4, 2014 at 11:23 AM

Well, it has trolled for weeks, and nothing has happened. I ain’t buying lottery tickets based on this.

It’s good for HA business, and capitalism is cool.

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2014 at 11:39 AM

Schadenfreude thinks this kind of trolling is just great. I and many others here don’t.

non-nonpartisan on June 4, 2014 at 11:32 AM

I actually don’t think so. I just don’t get so worked up by it.

If it’s here to koch you, it succeeded.

If it’s here as a leftist, then it has done as much ‘harm’ as coolpubica. No one cares about leftists around here.

The lot are a desperate latrine colony – see Bergdahl, the ultimate in what America has done to herself by electing, twice, Barack Hussein obama, so shortly after 9/11/01.

One can marvel or laugh at such a ‘glorious’ lot, in the majority.

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2014 at 11:42 AM

It is pitiful.

kingsjester on June 4, 2014 at 11:35 AM

Yes it is. Why would anyone think that kind of mental illness should be tolerated?

non-nonpartisan on June 4, 2014 at 11:43 AM

Sorry to hear about your Montreal Canadien. Stanley Cup Finals start tonight and they will be crying and watching from home.

Oh, and say High to Dave Drywall and Red Green for me.

Del Dolemonte on June 4, 2014 at 11:19 AM

Nice catch.

Flange on June 4, 2014 at 11:43 AM

Yes it is. Why would anyone think that kind of mental illness should be tolerated?

non-nonpartisan on June 4, 2014 at 11:43 AM

Looks like you’ve communicated with Ed, and he’s done Nothing.

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2014 at 11:45 AM

At least 2 of his socks have been banned. Ed should run an IP check on his socks.

non-nonpartisan on June 4, 2014 at 11:07 AM

i have never been banned from this or any other website.

I think he should be banned for violating the TOS here, just like before. =)

non-nonpartisan on June 4, 2014 at 11:23 AM

what is my offence other than not agreeing with you 100%?

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on June 4, 2014 at 11:46 AM

If he is whom I think he is, he does this garbage on Conservative FB Pages, also.

kingsjester on June 4, 2014 at 11:25 AM

do you know who i am?

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on June 4, 2014 at 11:47 AM

do you know who what i am?

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on June 4, 2014 at 11:47 AM

Yep……………

VegasRick on June 4, 2014 at 11:49 AM

I would not bet on this.

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2014 at 11:38 AM

If Ed checked out the IPs of his old and new socks, and found matches, you think he wouldn’t do anything?

Schadenfreude thinks this kind of trolling is just great. I and many others here don’t.

non-nonpartisan on June 4, 2014 at 11:32 AM

I actually don’t think so.

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2014 at 11:42 AM

Oh really? So you never said you were “highly entertained” by the Koch troll’s behavior, and you also don’t believe that being “highly entertained” by such trolling would great. Right. I believe you. lmao

non-nonpartisan on June 4, 2014 at 11:50 AM

If Ed checked out the IPs of his old and new socks, and found matches, you think he wouldn’t do anything?

Do you know anything about setting up lots of IPs? It doesn’t take a genius to do it. Ed, I don’t think, is into technology as much…as writing and editing…the IT people at HA have never been too much into it either. Hence, the warnings are…well, to put it mildly, hot air.

Oh really? So you never said you were “highly entertained” by the Koch troll’s behavior, and you also don’t believe that being “highly entertained” by such trolling would great. Right. I believe you. lmao

non-nonpartisan on June 4, 2014 at 11:50 AM

Look, I’m not the HA IT dept. There is Nothing I can do. If Ed doesn’t address it, it’s all hot air.

Your peeve s/b with HA.

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2014 at 11:54 AM

Yes it is. Why would anyone think that kind of mental illness should be tolerated?

non-nonpartisan on June 4, 2014 at 11:43 AM

Looks like you’ve communicated with Ed, and he’s done Nothing.

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2014 at 11:45 AM

You interpret that statement as a sign I’ve communicated with Ed about this? lmao

Don’t you agree that it would be really fun to see what an IP check would pull up about certain usernames here? =)

non-nonpartisan on June 4, 2014 at 11:54 AM

do you know who i am?

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on June 4, 2014 at 11:47 AM

Yep……………

VegasRick on June 4, 2014 at 11:49 AM

Why not out the smug little “koch”head?

Luthier on June 4, 2014 at 11:57 AM

non-nonpartisan on June 4, 2014 at 11:54 AM

It would do little to ban the Koch. If it is smarter than the HA IT people, then Ed has only the trolling to address. It’s up to him/or whoever runs the place.

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2014 at 11:58 AM

Don’t you agree that it would be really fun to see what an IP check would pull up about certain usernames here? =)

non-nonpartisan on June 4, 2014 at 11:54 AM

and what would your justification be for this other than your crazed theories rooted in nothing but your own paranoid suspicions?

‘ed, i dont like this commentor because he says things i dont like. because he says things i dont like, and because i dont like him, i believe he is the same person as another commentor i once didnt like who would say things i didnt like. would you please check if this commentor i dont like who says things i dont like either \is the same as that commentor i didnt like who said things i didnt like and would you please get rid of him if he is, or if he isnt.’

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on June 4, 2014 at 12:02 PM

Do you know anything about setting up lots of IPs? It doesn’t take a genius to do it. Ed, I don’t think, is into technology as much…as writing and editing…the IT people at HA have never been too much into it either. Hence, the warnings are…well, to put it mildly, hot air.

Unless the Koch troll uses different proxies when he’s posting from various names at the same time, which I’ve seen him do, the same IPs would show up.

Look, I’m not the HA IT dept. There is Nothing I can do. If Ed doesn’t address it, it’s all hot air.

Your peeve s/b with HA.

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2014 at 11:54 AM

I enjoy watching you tell others what their concerns should be, as if you understand how to run their lives better than they can. You have a habit of doing this. And when I see you first say that you find the Koch troll “highly entertaining,” then later say that you don’t approve of his trolling while telling people to relax and enjoy what he’s doing, I know you’re full of sh!t. And that sh!t ain’t beluga caviar. =)

non-nonpartisan on June 4, 2014 at 12:05 PM

And that sh!t ain’t beluga caviar. =)

non-nonpartisan on June 4, 2014 at 12:05 PM

Again, focus on what you can affect. I have no power whatsoever to ban Koch.

p.s. thanks for promoting Beluga. Buy stocks in it :)

non-nonpartisan, I love you, no matter what.

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2014 at 12:08 PM

Unless the Koch troll uses different proxies when he’s posting from various names at the same time, which I’ve seen him do, the same IPs would show up.

non-nonpartisan on June 4, 2014 at 12:05 PM

Sorry, I missed this – please let Ed know.

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2014 at 12:09 PM

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on June 4, 2014 at 12:02 PM

You’re a bore, like coolrepublica. What you say to me doesn’t interest me. You’re a lying sociopath who’s too stupid to understand this. =)

non-nonpartisan on June 4, 2014 at 12:10 PM

non-non, on the habbit, isn’t it you and the other folks telling others what to do? Just irony :)

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2014 at 12:10 PM

habit

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2014 at 12:11 PM

You’re a bore, like coolrepublica. What you say to me doesn’t interest me. You’re a lying sociopath who’s too stupid to understand this. =)

non-nonpartisan on June 4, 2014 at 12:10 PM

+ 1 million

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2014 at 12:11 PM

Sorry to hear about your Montreal Canadien. Stanley Cup Finals start tonight and they will be crying and watching from home.

Oh, and say High to Dave Drywall and Red Green for me.

Del Dolemonte on June 4, 2014 at 11:19 AM

Nice catch.

Flange on June 4, 2014 at 11:43 AM

Ditto brayam and everditzo.

slickwillie2001 on June 4, 2014 at 12:14 PM

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on June 4, 2014 at 12:02 PM

You’re a bore, like coolrepublica. What you say to me doesn’t interest me. You’re a lying sociopath who’s too stupid to understand this. =)

non-nonpartisan on June 4, 2014 at 12:10 PM

Yep. kochhead is worse though, IMHO.

VegasRick on June 4, 2014 at 12:15 PM

Bmore, this needs a beard on obama...and I don’t mean Moochelle.

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2014 at 12:19 PM

Again, focus on what you can affect. I have no power whatsoever to ban Koch.

p.s. thanks for promoting Beluga. Buy stocks in it :)

The Koch troll, who’s not a lefty, would rather troll us than attack illiberals. You said you find his behavior “highly entertaining.” I have a problem with you and him over this.

non-nonpartisan, I love you, no matter what.

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2014 at 12:08 PM

I don’t doubt this, but I don’t see how that’s relevant to our conversation.

non-non, on the habbit, isn’t it you and the other folks telling others what to do? Just irony :)

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2014 at 12:10 P

There’s no irony in telling disrespectful people to stop acting disrespectfully. Trolling is bannable offense here, isn’t it? Ask Lanceman is you don’t believe me. =)

non-nonpartisan on June 4, 2014 at 12:20 PM

non-nonpartisan on June 4, 2014 at 12:20 P

And, the irony is the fact that Lanceman is a good guy.

And,, as your wrote, this clown is a sociopath.

kingsjester on June 4, 2014 at 12:23 PM

And, the irony is the fact that Lanceman is a good guy.

kingsjester on June 4, 2014 at 12:23 PM

That he is, and saved.

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2014 at 12:25 PM

The Koch troll, who’s not a lefty, would rather troll us than attack illiberals. You said you find his behavior “highly entertaining.” I have a problem with you and him over this.

Well, I did find it entertaining at first. I won’t apologize for that. My humor is morbid and different. Nothing I can do about it now.

I don’t doubt this, but I don’t see how that’s relevant to our conversation.

Have Ed ban me, for being off topic…idiosyncrasies abound, and I am full of them, Lord help all of us.

There’s no irony in telling disrespectful people to stop acting disrespectfully.

No, no, my reply was about you claiming that I have a habit of “telling others…” I really don’t care much what they do, so long as they fight the leftist thugs, or play a variety of music, or provide entertainment/tips in the Qotd, or such…

Trolling is bannable offense here, isn’t it? Ask Lanceman is you don’t believe me. =)

non-nonpartisan on June 4, 2014 at 12:20 PM

Well, Ed should ban trolling. We agree.

I know all about Lanceman and the man is cool, and saved.

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2014 at 12:31 PM

Yep. kochhead is worse though, IMHO.

VegasRick on June 4, 2014 at 12:15 PM

I completely agree. I don’t want us to be talking much about selfish trolls/fools like coolrepublica, frank, Koch and others, who like to pee in the punch bowl for their own amusement. Obviously, I’m not alone about this.

non-nonpartisan on June 4, 2014 at 12:34 PM

i wasnt seriosly admonishing him. you guys need to learn to have a sense of humour.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on June 4, 2014 at 10:53 AM

Silly us. We should have known that anything which emanates from what passes as your brain would have nothing resembling respect for the feelings of others. We won’t make the mistake again of accrediting you with any degree of sensitivity.

ricoliv on June 4, 2014 at 12:34 PM

Sorry, I missed this – please let Ed know.

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2014 at 12:09 PM

I have not contacted him. I am not a tattletale. I generally don’t like the idea of permanent bans. But Koch’s trolling is pervasive and disruptive, and not pleasant to have to suffer through.

I have some names in mind I think he should do IP checks on. Maybe I’ll give them to him, soon.

non-nonpartisan on June 4, 2014 at 12:42 PM

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2014 at 12:19 PM

I’ll see what I can do. ; )

Bmore on June 4, 2014 at 12:45 PM

Bmore, aside from AP’s photoshops, you are simply the best!!! Thank you.

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2014 at 12:47 PM

non-nonpartisan on June 4, 2014 at 12:42 PM

Agreed, and I’ll refrain from liking you :)

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2014 at 12:50 PM

Agreed, and I’ll refrain from liking you :)

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2014 at 12:50 PM

lol

Being concerned about being liked by others is where so much in this world starts going wrong, isn’t it? People who don’t others for petty reasons should be laughed at. I know you agree. =)

non-nonpartisan on June 4, 2014 at 1:02 PM

People who don’t like others for petty reasons should be laughed at

non-nonpartisan on June 4, 2014 at 1:03 PM

I know you agree. =)

non-nonpartisan on June 4, 2014 at 1:02 PM

Fully, and why it’s so sad that the righties on this blog focus so much on “I don’t respect you…bla, bla”.

It’s a damned blog. The land/world are going to Hell, lightening speed, and they fry smelt.

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2014 at 1:12 PM

Fully, and why it’s so sad that the righties on this blog focus so much on “I don’t respect you…bla, bla”.

It’s a damned blog. The land/world are going to Hell, lightening speed, and they fry smelt.

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2014 at 1:12 PM

Why do you think the Koch troll has been trolling? To try to get us to take our minds off of Obama and his tyranny because he cares so deeply about us? lmao

non-nonpartisan on June 4, 2014 at 1:35 PM

Why do you think the Koch troll has been trolling? To try to get us to take our minds off of Obama and his tyranny because he cares so deeply about us? lmao

non-nonpartisan on June 4, 2014 at 1:35 PM

No clue. It depends if it’s a rightie, attempting humor, making things lighter, or blasting the RINOs, or a leftist, doing what they do.

Maybe it’s Ed, inflating the comments.

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2014 at 1:46 PM

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2014 at 1:46 PM

What is your exact position on Koch? You said this.

The Koch troll, who’s not a lefty, would rather troll us than attack illiberals. You said you find his behavior “highly entertaining.” I have a problem with you and him over this.

Well, I did find it entertaining at first. I won’t apologize for that. My humor is morbid and different. Nothing I can do about it now.

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2014 at 12:31 PM

“at first”? That sounds like you don’t find it entertaining anymore. Less than an hour previous, however, you said this.

Koch is funny. You guys really need to quit being koched.

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2014 at 11:18 AM

Do you support Koch’s trolling, or not? Do you think those he successfully trolls and irritates are a bigger problem here than Koch himself?

non-nonpartisan on June 4, 2014 at 1:54 PM

Do you support Koch’s trolling, or not?

No, it’s against the ToU, or whatever HA calls its ‘rules’.

Do you think those he successfully trolls and irritates are a bigger problem here than Koch himself?

non-nonpartisan on June 4, 2014 at 1:54 PM

Not at all, I never thought that.

Just e-mail Ed and see what he says.

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2014 at 2:37 PM

Killary is a fatally flawed candidate.

John the Libertarian on June 4, 2014 at 2:41 PM

Stop talking about banning Koch for god’s sake. That’s what fascist liberals do.

John the Libertarian on June 4, 2014 at 2:42 PM

Stop talking about banning Koch for god’s sake. That’s what fascist liberals do.

John the Libertarian on June 4, 2014 at 2:42 PM

Are you a Libertarian, or what? :)

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2014 at 2:44 PM

She’s stuttering over this – should be a great 30 second campaign: Benghazi, Bergdahl then tie her to the IRS, NSA, Fast and Furious – why? Most voters won’t know otherwise.

MN J on June 4, 2014 at 3:06 PM

Never forget that obama called the scumhag to the WH to tell her about the swap of 5 terrorist leaders for a defector.

All you need to remember.

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2014 at 3:17 PM

Obama lied, people died.

People died, Obama lied.

Many times over.

Sherman1864 on June 4, 2014 at 3:51 PM

Stop talking about banning Koch for god’s sake. That’s what fascist liberals do.

John the Libertarian on June 4, 2014 at 2:42 PM

Do you support Koch’s trolling, or not?

No, it’s against the ToU, or whatever HA calls its ‘rules’.

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2014 at 2:37 PM

Hey John. After I listen to you and your “expertise” here on free speech, I’ll be sure to read the Gospel of Thomas next lmao

non-nonpartisan on June 4, 2014 at 3:52 PM

John the Libertarian on June 4, 2014 at 2:42 PM

C’mon, c’mon John. You know very well there has never been free speech at HA. ; )

Bmore on June 4, 2014 at 4:05 PM

Translation: As choices go, this was certainly … one of them.

Ed

What a charitable translation! I love that about you, Ed.

Consider a less charitable one: “I think it was a great idea and I fully endorse it. Now that it stinks like sh*t on ice, I’ll temper my enthusiasm, as always.”

Jaibones on June 4, 2014 at 7:58 PM

John the Libertarian on June 4, 2014 at 2:42 PM

Are you a Libertarian, or what? :)

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2014 at 2:44 PM

And they say you have no sense of humor.

Jaibones on June 4, 2014 at 8:37 PM

When the going gets tough, Mrs Clinton goes AWOL.
Works for her.

TimBuk3 on June 4, 2014 at 11:19 PM

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