Soldier: Army told us to lie about Bergdahl’s capture

posted at 2:01 pm on June 4, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

The State Department’s attempt to shut up the soldiers who served with Bowe Bergdahl at the time of his capture may end up backfiring on the White House, which has apparently decided to attack their integrity rather than explain their own spin on the issue.  One soldier appeared on Fox and Friends this morning who took part in the post-desertion search for Bergdahl and said that the military instructed them to lie about the circumstances of Bergdahl’s disappearance (via Noah Rothman at Mediaite):

“The sentiment that everybody knew was that he walked off the base in the middle of the night, left all his gear there, and went – just walked off the post,” Fuller said. “So, we had all known that it was — that he had deserted his post, and there was never anything about him getting captured or POW until a little while later whenever it came down from the chain of command that we needed to keep quiet and not say anything.”

“We’re going with the narrative that he was captured,” Fuller said of the military’s position on Bergdahl’s alleged desertion.

“So, they basically told you not to tell the truth,” Fox host Brian Kilmeade said.

“Yes, sir,” Fuller replied.

Fuller concluded by corroborating the claims of Bergdahl’s former team leader, Sgt. Evan Buetow,who told CNN on Tuesday that the Taliban’s attacks became more directed after Bergdahl was captured.

“The ambushes we use, the certain tactics we use, the Taliban was picking up on those things,” Fuller said. “You could tell it was from somebody on the inside that had that info.”

There may have been some operational and security issues involved in attempting to keep the disappearance quiet at that point in time. For instance, they could have hoped to keep the value of Bergdahl to the local Taliban or the Haqqanis low enough to arrange for an inexpensive trade — perhaps even some cash. There is some indication that the low-value approach was initially successful, but was lost when the captors published the first captivity video of Bergdahl and the Haqqanis realized what they had. But that’s an argument for keeping the disappearance and capture entirely quiet, and not just cover it with a false narrative, especially among those who already knew what had happened.

Besides that, the other reason to keep the nature of the disappearance quiet could have been to keep from embarrassing the family back home and creating problems for an already-troubled young man had he been retrieved soon afterward. Given what’s transpired since, largely in reaction to the White House attempting to make Bergdahl into something he’s not, that may not have been an unreasonable consideration either. But the non-disclosures signed by the squad — a highly unusual step, apparently — should have covered those concerns too, without demanding that the men lie about what happened.

One can understand why so many of them are now speaking out, given this context, and why so many of them may get even more vocal as the White House pushes back against their first-person accounts. Speaking of which, Fuller reacted with disdain to the assertion made by State Department spokesperson Marie Harf, which was that Bergdahl’s fellow soldiers at the time were not credible voices on the matter:

QUESTION: Does the State Department consider Sergeant Bergdahl to be a deserter?

MS. HARF: The State Department – no, Lucas. Look, what we said is we are going to learn the facts about what happened here. We said very clearly in a statement from the Secretary on Saturday that Sergeant Bergdahl was a member of the United States military who volunteered to serve his country. We don’t know the facts about what happened yet on that day.

QUESTION: (Inaudible) according to those around him, his platoon mates, his squad mates, company mates, they said he walked off the base.

MS. HARF: Lucas, some of them – other – there are conflicting reports out there about this. Look –

QUESTION: Are there?

MS. HARF: There are. Go Google it on the web and you’ll find a ton of conflicting reports. The fact is we’re still establishing a fact pattern about what happened, how he ended up in Taliban captivity. So when he is able to share those, as Chairman Dempsey said today, he will. He also said, like any American, he is innocent until proven guilty. Our army’s leaders will not look away from misconduct if it occurred. In the meantime, we will continue to care for him and his family.

So I think people need to be really careful about believing every second or third-hand report out there, and also what the President, what the Secretary, what Chairman Dempsey have said: Regardless of how he went missing, it is our responsibility to him to bring him home, period.

QUESTION: And when you say second- and third-hand reports, when his squad mates who served with him overseas said he walked off the –

MS. HARF: Lucas, I’m sure some of them – I mean, look, there’s a lot of rumor and telephone game that’s being played here about what happened. Not all –

QUESTION: So you’re saying that the guys on television last night – his squad mates, platoon mates – were not correct?

MS. HARF: I’m saying we don’t know the fact pattern yet here. We don’t. Nobody knows exactly what happened that night. As the facts emerge, as he’s able to discuss them with the Department of Defense, we will see where that takes us.

QUESTION: Going back to –

MS. HARF: That happened five years ago. This is a situation –

QUESTION: So you’ve had all this time, five years, to determine whether he was a deserter or not. That’s a long time.

MS. HARF: He’s been in captivity, Lucas. I think he’s probably the person who knows best what happened on that night.

QUESTION: But – well, I think that his squad mates have the best indication what happened that night.

MS. HARF: I don’t think that that’s the case.

No one in this administration has much room to evaluate credibility when it comes to this deal.


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Army told us to lie about Bergdahl’s capture

What’s the Army coming to? No longer Merrill’s Marauders. Not even Hogan’s Heroes. instead Shinseki’s S—heads. Not the enlisted men but the politically correct, tush-kissing leaders.

MaiDee on June 4, 2014 at 2:44 PM

Um, they get away with the most egregious pathological lying I’ve ever seen every day because the media refuses to cover it.

crrr6 on June 4, 2014 at 2:42 PM

OR CALL THEM OUT ON IT.

Look, what Obama did here is treason.

Article 104. He gave material aid to terrorists.

dogsoldier on June 4, 2014 at 2:44 PM

They are just trying to figure out how to blame it on a conservative(s) so they can declare martial law.

davidk on June 4, 2014 at 2:37 PM

That might work in Urbania, but that would be a serious mistake out here in Ruralia.

Turtle317 on June 4, 2014 at 2:44 PM

Gun free zones:

Update: Jack-In-The-Box, Sonic, & Chili’s Join the Blooddancing
By SilverDeth | Published: June 1, 2014

Well, add Chipotle to the growing list of anti-2nd Amendment organizations we won’t give money to – alongside Buffalo Wild Wings, Amazon.com and Starbucks:

http://www.dethguild.com/chipotle-lines-up-to-shit-upon-the-2nd-amendment/

davidk on June 4, 2014 at 2:45 PM

Unnamed soldier

An anonymous platoon mate remarked that the resentment towards Bergdahl for walking off was unmatched. “The amount of animosity is nothing like you’ve ever seen before,” the solider told CNN.

The solider recalled the “unbelievable” efforts the military made to rescue Bergdahl when he first disappeared, including one instance where platoons ran out of water, food, and ammunition while on the mission. “All because of the selfish act of one person,” the solider said.

Family of Members Lost Searching for Bergdahl:

Sondra and Andy Andrews

The parents of 2nd Lt. Darryn Andrews were initially told their son died on a mission searching for a Taliban commander, only to learn recently that he was killed on a mission tasked with finding Bergdahl. Andy Andrews called the situation a “cover-up.”

Prior to Darren’s death, the parents recalled their son telling them about his platoon mate’s disappearance.“He said [Bergdahl] just walked off — he wasn’t captured on a battlefield or anything, he just walked off the base and left everything behind except a compass and a bottle of water,” Andy told Fox News.

Both parents hoped that Bergdahl would be tried before a court.

“He left his men during a war, so that is even more critical than just leaving their base,” Sondra said. “He left them without adequate men, he created a vulnerability there for them because they had to look for him, and the Taliban knew that the Americans would look for their men.”

Elizabeth Ivory

While she does not blame Bergdahl directly for the death of her husband, Staff Sgt. Kurt Curtiss, Elizabeth Ivory did take issue with the praise the former captive has received.

“I’m more than happy that he is no longer a prisoner of war,” she told NBC. “But I’m not okay with people wanting to call him a hero.”

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/379522/bergdahl-accused-least-dozen-soldiers-and-bereaved-family-members-andrew-johnson

Mrs Army MSG Mark Allen, her husband was one of the men searching for Bergdahl; he received a bullet in his brain for his effort

‘Meet my husband, injuries directly brought to you by the actions of this traitor. He can’t give an account of what went down, because he can no longer speak. Now, which guy is a ‘hero’ again?!? Sick.”

Tyler N Tonya Maples

Traitor. He was in my platoon when he went AWOL. 2nd platoon, blackfoot co 1-501 PIR. Two of my fellow peers lost their lives in the pursuit of this coward. The fact that they promoted him to the rank of a non commissioned officer and called him a ‘hero’ is a slap in the face to the families of my fallen brother and the solders whom fought by our side in OEF 9-10, Patika province

Resist We Much on June 4, 2014 at 2:46 PM

They are just trying to figure out how to blame it on a conservative(s) so they can declare martial law.

davidk on June 4, 2014 at 2:37 PM

That might work in Urbania, but that would be a serious mistake out here in Ruralia.

Turtle317 on June 4, 2014 at 2:44 PM

However they start it, it will be a big mistake.

2nd Amendment Bucket List.

davidk on June 4, 2014 at 2:46 PM

And they appear to be going 100% on this one. I’ve noticed armies of stooges trying to flame old posts on the subject on conservative blogs. They are fully mobilized because they know how serious this one is.

forest on June 4, 2014 at 2:42 PM

That attack on these guys will add gas to the bonfire, IMHO. Dumb, dumb, dumb move.

dogsoldier on June 4, 2014 at 2:47 PM

Note the usual Obama Admin Playbook: “We have to investigate this and once we have then we’ll respond.” Once some time has passed (and Obama has played enough golf), it will be “so last year, Dude.”

FiveG on June 4, 2014 at 2:47 PM

This thing is like a blazing wild fire now.

sorrowen on June 4, 2014 at 2:43 PM

You’ve got it! A name for all the scandals!!!

Prairie Fire!!

faraway on June 4, 2014 at 2:47 PM

It’s a War on America, this is a Battle on Vets.

Flange on June 4, 2014 at 2:15 PM

Actually it’s just the Democrats wanting to do to ALL Americans, what they’ve done to Black Americans. Once you realize that, their actions make sense.

LouisianaLightning on June 4, 2014 at 2:48 PM

the fact pattern

My BS meter pegged out reading that.

dogsoldier on June 4, 2014 at 2:25 PM

No kidding, what blather. Facts don’t require patterns. They just have to be themselves, you know, real.

JusDreamin on June 4, 2014 at 2:49 PM

https://twitter.com/ChadPergram

Chad Pergram @ChadPergram · 1m

Pentagon on Hagel spkng to Congress next wk on #Bergdahl: He understands there are concerns..& he is ready to address those concerns.

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Chad Pergram @ChadPergram · 11s

Pentagon: Sec Hagel looks forward to testifying before the Hse Armed Services Cmte about this important detainee transfer. #Bergdahl

canopfor on June 4, 2014 at 2:49 PM

MS. HARF: DUDE! Like that happened SO five years ago. This is a situation clusterfark

FIFY, Marie…

Newtie and the Beauty on June 4, 2014 at 2:49 PM

the fact pattern

More like a test pattern

faraway on June 4, 2014 at 2:50 PM

WaPo: Exclusive: Afghan villagers recall when Bergdahl stumbled into their midst

…he seemed to be deliberately heading for Taliban strongholds, they say.

Resist We Much on June 4, 2014 at 2:50 PM

Ironically this blazing forest fire was ignited due to Mr.I have a pen and phone. How is it serving O now :)

sorrowen on June 4, 2014 at 2:50 PM

So in other words ” dude that was like so 5 years ago”. I think that I will believe these good soldiers over Mr “if you like your plan you can keep your plan”. How do these Dems sleep at night? Are they really going to use as a strategy to cover Obamas aZz the meme that the soldiers memories are faulty? Shame on Obama and every Democrat in this country.

neyney on June 4, 2014 at 2:51 PM

Why should anybody presume this guy intends to even stay in America if and when he is returned? Based on the evidence, one should question if he’s only returning in order to benefit his Taliban friends with the release of 5 of their leaders.

catsmeow on June 4, 2014 at 2:41 PM

He’s still in the Army. If they are serious about an investigation that may lead to a court martial he won’t be allowed to leave the Army until he is cleared, or has served his time.

NotCoach on June 4, 2014 at 2:51 PM

This thing is like a blazing wild fire now.

sorrowen on June 4, 2014 at 2:43 PM

You’ve got it! A name for all the scandals!!!

Prairie Fire!!

faraway on June 4, 2014 at 2:47 PM

But they seem like such nice young people.

davidk on June 4, 2014 at 2:51 PM

If the jihadis want to really throw a stick in the Obama spokes, they could initiate a terror event on U.S. citizens and give some credit for planning to some of the Gitmo guys just released. Or they could wait a bit. They now have a huge propaganda lever to use as they please. They know he’s desperate to empty Gitmo and will ignore Congress to do it.

butch on June 4, 2014 at 2:51 PM

Resist We Much on June 4, 2014 at 2:50 PM

The Afghan villagers are probably suffering from stress induced hallucinations.

NotCoach on June 4, 2014 at 2:53 PM

Actually I would like his last two years to be O’s own personal hell. Exec orders backfiring Into major political damage is just to damn fitting :)

sorrowen on June 4, 2014 at 2:53 PM

Actually it’s just the Democrats wanting to do to ALL Americans, what they’ve done to Black Americans. Once you realize that, their actions make sense.

LouisianaLightning on June 4, 2014 at 2:48 PM

I know, that’s why I changed the democrat’s War on Vets to War on America.

Flange on June 4, 2014 at 2:54 PM

This is the typical playbook. Obfuscate, delay, refer people to other departments, delay some more, and then say:

MS. HARF: That happened five years ago.

or

Dude, that was like two years ago

or

At this point, what difference does it make.

Matticus Finch on June 4, 2014 at 2:56 PM

Retweeted by Ed Morrissey
Matthew @Matthops82 · 1h

How Obama admin treats vets: ☑ Barricade their memorials. ☑ Leave them on VA waiting list. ☑ Smear them for telling truth about Bergdahl.

davidk on June 4, 2014 at 2:57 PM

Right now they are looking for just one soldier that they can discredit, and that’s all the media will then talk about. Or find one who will speak in support of the deserter, which is even less likely.

The bar is low. The WH only has to provide the slightest doubt and the MSM will run with it and then stop reporting the story altogether.

And they appear to be going 100% on this one. I’ve noticed armies of stooges trying to flame old posts on the subject on conservative blogs. They are fully mobilized because they know how serious this one is.

forest on June 4, 2014 at 2:42 PM

I think if there was someone they could discredit they’d have done it already. The problem is more and more soldiers are coming forward to talk and they’re now doing it on live TV. Every soldier that goes on TV to defend himself or herself while explaining to the American people that Bergdahl is a deserter and traitor is going to hurt the Obama administration.

It’s clear Obama’s mobilized the liberal troops on this given the flurry of stories and interviews coming out, but to what effect? Even low information voters and Democrats are likely to find the conspiracy theory that all the soldiers in Bergdahl’s unit are secret Republican operatives to be too much to swallow.

Doomberg on June 4, 2014 at 2:57 PM

Since the majority of govt workers vote democrat (can’t be fired, can’t be held accountable, can’t handle responsibility, lack a definition of right/wrong and like siphoning $$$ from the rest of us), do they go through training to avoid answering questions? Fudging answers? I mean, can any of them directly answer anything?

Soldiers exempt from above statements.

MN J on June 4, 2014 at 2:57 PM

Well,..I’m going to say it:

Did Bergdahl’s have any part to the “Extortion 17″ Demise:
==========================================================

Extortion 17 – Demand Answers
Yesterday

Reading about Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl and how the Pentagon knew about his location for years and came across this interesting paragraph:

“Commanders on the ground debated whether to pull the trigger on a rescue several times in recent years, according to one of the sources, a former high-level intelligence official in Afghanistan, who said the conclusion each time was that the prospect of losing highly trained troops was too high a price to pay for rescuing a soldier who walked away from his unit before being captured by the enemy.”

Yea … and sending 22 highly trained SEALs on ONE Chinook on a BACK-UP mission in the Tangi Valley, with no cover or pre-assault fire 3 months after the OBL raid made perfect sense.

Source: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/2/pentagon-knew-berghdahls-whereabouts-but-didnt-ris/

https://www.facebook.com/Extortion17DemandaCongressionalHearing

canopfor on June 4, 2014 at 2:57 PM

Besides that, the other reason to keep the nature of the disappearance quiet could have been to keep from embarrassing the family back home and creating problems for an already-troubled young man had he been retrieved soon afterward.

What’s THAT narrative about? That when a soldier leaves his post, he’s “troubled”?

LashRambo on June 4, 2014 at 2:58 PM

So Obama threw napalm on the fire….that’s his logic for you illogical…

sorrowen on June 4, 2014 at 3:00 PM

Retweeted by Ed Morrissey
Allahpundit @allahpundit · 3h

How come members of the Senate Intel Committee didn’t know about Bergdahl’s note? http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/06/03/Chambliss-Bergdahl-Classified-File-Didn-t-Include-Desertion-Note-NY-Times-Reported-About

davidk on June 4, 2014 at 3:00 PM

canopfor on June 4, 2014 at 2:57 PM

God, I hope not. Enough Americans are on the Bergdahl sacrifice list.

NotCoach on June 4, 2014 at 3:02 PM

So now he is implying the soilders acted stupidly….oh boy.

sorrowen on June 4, 2014 at 3:02 PM

Thw collaborator’s squad mates, now being maligned by King Putt’s lackeys will come out and defend themselves.

I think the regime picked the wrong unit to pick a fight with…

dogsoldier on June 4, 2014 at 2:27 PM

Proud to be a lackey in this battle. I have some suspicions that some of these soldiers have embellished the truth because they didn’t like Bowe. They may even be getting paid by an organization associated with a Fox News commentator.

jim56 on June 4, 2014 at 3:03 PM

In other (unreported) news:

Cantor: Amnesty For DREAMers Is ‘Biblical’

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/06/04/Cantor-Amnesty-For-The-Children-of-Illegals-Who-Want-To-Serve-In-Military-Biblical

BREAKING:

The National Border Patrol Council (NBPC) revealed to Breitbart Texas that the San Diego Sector of the U.S. Border Patrol is making plans to receive, process, and then release 500 illegal aliens into the U.S. per week who were shipped in from Texas, specifically from the Rio Grande Valley Border Patrol Sector.

The specifics of how the illegal aliens are transported in unclear at this time, however, recently some have been flown at the tax-payers expense and some have been transported on buses.

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Texas/2014/06/04/BREAKING-Border-Patrol-Sector-To-Release-500-Illegal-Aliens-Per-Week-Into-US

davidk on June 4, 2014 at 3:03 PM

Retweeted by Ed Morrissey
Matthew @Matthops82 · 1h

How Obama admin treats vets: ☑ Barricade their memorials. ☑ Leave them on VA waiting list. ☑ Smear them for telling truth about Bergdahl.

davidk on June 4, 2014 at 2:57 PM

davidk: A Counter-Attack by FLOTUS:)

Mark Knoller @markknoller · 23m

While veterans return to US kissing the ground, says Mrs Obama, “it is unacceptable that they should have to sleep on it.”

canopfor on June 4, 2014 at 3:04 PM

Even Hollywood couldn’t write this script…..or could they?

John Ekdahl‏@JohnEkdahl
The White House and Harry Reid are actually arguing about when the White House informed Harry Reid.
pic.twitter.com/ysqr5fhZp9

tanked59 on June 4, 2014 at 3:05 PM

davidk on June 4, 2014 at 3:00 PM

Should add to the levels of distrust currently building up over there.

butch on June 4, 2014 at 3:05 PM

This picture needs a beard, no, not the first ‘lady’.

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2014 at 3:06 PM

So we know what todays 1 hr closed door meeting with the Senate was all about. The usual Dem talking points confab apparently I just heard on the news that the state dept is claiming that the 5 Taliban were never going to be held permanently anyway so it was a bonus that they could be swapped for an American. They are really on the ropes if this is the best they can do. Pathetic.

neyney on June 4, 2014 at 3:06 PM

Retweeted by Ed Morrissey
Allahpundit @allahpundit · 3h

How come members of the Senate Intel Committee didn’t know about Bergdahl’s note? http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/06/03/Chambliss-Bergdahl-Classified-File-Didn-t-Include-Desertion-Note-NY-Times-Reported-About

davidk on June 4, 2014 at 3:00 PM

Perhaps there was no note to begin with. The articles which said there was a note were based on conversations with some of his fellow soldiers, some of whom are now surely giving interviews on Fox News.

Perhaps they made up the story of the note?

(Resist We Must, this is what I heard last night on Fox News at 6 p.m.)

jim56 on June 4, 2014 at 3:07 PM

canopfor on June 4, 2014 at 2:57 PM

God, I hope not. Enough Americans are on the Bergdahl sacrifice list.

NotCoach on June 4, 2014 at 3:02 PM

NotCoach:Agreed.

That thought hit me, while I was trying to go to sleep
last night,…did a quick google, and was surprised that
Bergdahl was mentioned on “Extortion 17″ FaceBook Page!:)

canopfor on June 4, 2014 at 3:07 PM

So now Harry Reid says he knew nothing? If he is saying that then even he knows this is toxic.

sorrowen on June 4, 2014 at 3:08 PM

State Dept: Bergdahl Knows Circumstances of His Capture Better Than Squad Mates
‘Google it on the web, and you’ll find a ton of conflicting reports.’

State Department deputy spokeswoman Marie Harf engaged in a heated exchange Tuesday with a reporter over the circumstances surrounding Army Sergeant Bowe Bergdahl’s capture five years ago, saying she does not think his squad mates have the best idea of what happened when he disappeared.

When Fox News reporter Lucas Tomlinson asked, “Does the State Department consider Sergeant Bergdahl to be a deserter?” Harf replied, “The State Department — no, Lucas. Look, what we’ve said is we are going to learn the facts about what happened here.”

“He’s been in captivity, Lucas. I think he’s probably the person who knows best what happened on that night,” Harf said.

Tomlinson shot back, “Well, I think his squad mates have the best indication what happened that night.”

“I don’t think that that’s the case,” Harf responded.

Harf directed Tomlinson to “Google it on the web, and you’ll find a ton of conflicting reports”—dismissing the multiple accounts of Bergdahl’s desertion that have emerged over the past several days.

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/state-dept-bergdahl-knows-circumstances-of-his-capture-better-than-squad-mates/

davidk on June 4, 2014 at 3:09 PM

Proud to be a lackey in this battle. I have some suspicions that some of these soldiers have embellished the truth because they didn’t like Bowe. They may even be getting paid by an organization associated with a Fox News commentator.

jim56 on June 4, 2014 at 3:03 PM

Spit it out! Don’t be afraid. Are you talking about the Wounded Warriors project? They are paying these soldiers to exaggerate?

butch on June 4, 2014 at 3:10 PM

Perhaps they made up the story of the note?

(Resist We Must, this is what I heard last night on Fox News at 6 p.m.)

jim56 on June 4, 2014 at 3:07 PM

Yeah. That’s probably what happened.

davidk on June 4, 2014 at 3:11 PM

This White House is not only misguided, flat-footed and increasing tone deaf, the inner circle is also so delusional that it can’t see the world as it really exists. It is beyond foolhardy; it is dangerous.

Feature, not bug. Valerie Jarrett runs the WH.

Good luck America!!!

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2014 at 3:12 PM

Proud to be a lackey in this battle. I have some suspicions that some of these soldiers have embellished the truth because they didn’t like Bowe. They may even be getting paid by an organization associated with a Fox News commentator.

jim56 on June 4, 2014 at 3:03 PM

You are mentally ill.

VorDaj on June 4, 2014 at 3:13 PM

Has anybody (other than me) considered that he could have been following orders that did not come through the chain-of-command? That this might be a covert op with the deserter meme as a cover to legitimize him to the enemy so they would accept him as a traitor, thereby placing an operative right inside the enemy camp?

Some things bother me. One is when a story is too good or too easy or too conclusive (no loose ends). Another is when the news media all are on the same wagon (theme) and accept official story lines (talking points – Susan Rice ring a bell?). Another is when the military itself seems to be encouraging prejudicial pre-trial publicity knowing full well that this guy will not be prosecuted if the prejudicial effect prevents a fair trial.

And last but not least, where is the news piece on the rescinding of the non-disclosure agreements? Does anybody bother getting an NDA of opsec details if it only lasts a set period of time? Isn’t opsec info always classified? If it is, when was this particular opsec de-classified and why have we not heard of it. And if it is still classified, why would they need NDAs in the first place?

Too many contradictions for this tea party grump. LSM lies; why would I accept anything they say about Bergdahl? Or Benghazi.

Maybe it’s all about a youtube video. Oh wait, that meme is already out there for a different pack of lies.

platypus on June 4, 2014 at 3:14 PM

The United States on Tuesday handed back its only Central Asian airbase to the government of Russia’s close ally Kyrgyzstan, as President Barack Obama winds down U.S. involvement in Afghanistan and Moscow makes a comeback in its old imperial backyard.

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/america-in-retreat/

davidk on June 4, 2014 at 3:15 PM

John Ekdahl‏@JohnEkdahl
The White House and Harry Reid are actually arguing about when the White House informed Harry Reid.
pic.twitter.com/ysqr5fhZp9

tanked59 on June 4, 2014 at 3:05 PM

tanked59:
============

https://twitter.com/KellyO

Kelly O’Donnell @KellyO · 21h

WH & @SenatorReid not on the same page regarding notification of the Bergdahl swap

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Kelly O’Donnell @KellyO · 21h

Top Senate Democrat Harry Reid told about Bergdahl mission ahead of other Hill leaders? Why?

Replied to 0 times

Kelly O’Donnell @KellyO · 21h

.@SenatorReid says he was notified FRIDAY before Bergdahl swap for Taliban detainees.Other Hill leaders told Saturday after operation.

Replied to 0 times

Kelly O’Donnell @KellyO · 22h

“Consultation” is not for ALL of Congress but on national security refers to handful of key leaders who regularly keep classified secrets

canopfor on June 4, 2014 at 3:16 PM

Perhaps they made up the story of the note?

jim56 on June 4, 2014 at 3:07 PM

Fingers crossed?

Or perhaps the intel committee is not being provided all the facts. There also were no transcripts of interviews with Bergdahl’s fellow platoon mates in the briefing material despite there being a 2010 Pentagon investigation that determined Bergdahl deserted.

NotCoach on June 4, 2014 at 3:17 PM

Bergdahl is like them. They would like to concoct a story with Bergdahl that he was on a secret mission to pretend he was a traitor and infiltrate the Taliban, but the administration started killing off soldiers in the search mission before there was evidence that he was in camp with the Taliban. They still might try it, though, because the current narrative shows that the entire state department will have to be purged along with the administration and a large number of military leaders because there is no question that they are domestic enemies.

Buddahpundit on June 4, 2014 at 3:18 PM

Perhaps they made up the story of the note?

(Resist We Must, this is what I heard last night on Fox News at 6 p.m.)

jim56 on June 4, 2014 at 3:07 PM

Hilarious. Do you think Bush planned 9/11 too? Are you a big fan of Alex Jones? Those wascally Republicans, planting all this evidence back in 2010 just so they could “get” Obama today.

Doomberg on June 4, 2014 at 3:18 PM

Harf directed Tomlinson to “Google it on the web, and you’ll find a ton of conflicting reports”—dismissing the multiple accounts of Bergdahl’s desertion that have emerged over the past several days.

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/state-dept-bergdahl-knows-circumstances-of-his-capture-better-than-squad-mates/

davidk on June 4, 2014 at 3:09 PM

The same Google which is controlled by valery ?
The same google which has their man in WH ?
The same google which was so ashamed of our military that it made sure there was NO doodle honoring this Memorial Day ?
Sounds something like ” show them the transcripts candy “

burrata on June 4, 2014 at 3:18 PM

Proud to be a lackey in this battle. I have some suspicions that some of these soldiers have embellished the truth because they didn’t like Bowe. They may even be getting paid by an organization associated with a Fox News commentator.

jim56 on June 4, 2014 at 3:03 PM

jim56:
==========

Fox News Military Pundit Calls Bowe Bergdahl “A Liar”
Uploaded on Dec 8, 2010

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQS9-oE_KK0

canopfor on June 3, 2014 at 11:27 AM

canopfor on June 4, 2014 at 3:19 PM

platypus on June 4, 2014 at 3:14 PM

A mole? With his background and the good possibility he’d get his head sawed off, I doubt it.

butch on June 4, 2014 at 3:19 PM

Proud to be a lackey in this battle. I have some suspicions that some of these soldiers have embellished the truth because they didn’t like Bowe. They may even be getting paid by an organization associated with a Fox News commentator. jim56 on June 4, 2014 at 3:03 PM

Akzed on June 4, 2014 at 3:19 PM

jim56 on June 4, 2014 at 3:07 PM

Nope.

If you go back to the NYT article, it states,

That account, provided by a former senior military officer briefed on the investigation into the private’s disappearance

It’s clear the note was found, and the platoon members were interviewed about what happened.

The Breitbart column also said:

Chambliss added that the file also did not include any interviews with any of Bergdahl’s platoon members. “There was nothing in that file in regards to statements from those individuals as to what they saw that night, and there’s just a lot of unanswered questions,” he said.

The fact that those interviews were omitted lends even more credence to the existence of the note. The file was quite obviously sanitized.

INC on June 4, 2014 at 3:20 PM

Proud to be a lackey in this battle. I have some suspicions that some of these soldiers have embellished the truth because they didn’t like Bowe. They may even be getting paid by an organization associated with a Fox News commentator.

jim56 on June 4, 2014 at 3:03 PM

Yeah, FOX was paying them back in 2010 when the Pentagon determined Bergdahl deserted.

Now when you pull your head out of your a$$ please ask yourself where Bergdahl’s defenders are. Because if this were actually a manufactured campaign to smear Bergdahl there should be someone willing to stand for Bergdahl who served with him.

NotCoach on June 4, 2014 at 3:21 PM

jim56 on June 4, 2014 at 3:07 PM

You are weapons grade stupid and not ashamed to prove it.

Closet Optimist on June 4, 2014 at 3:22 PM

platypus on June 4, 2014 at 3:14 PM

What in his background would have qualified him to be chosen to do a covert operation? Absolutely nothing that I’ve read. Indeed, everything would point to him being the last person you’d want to do that.

INC on June 4, 2014 at 3:23 PM

Received from a USARPAC soldier this morning:

“Please don’t list my name– I am here in Afghanistan– I know the story and the accounts that he was drunk or that he was lagging behind on patrol are not true– this soldier planned this move for a long time. He walked off the post with a day’s supply of water and had written down before that he wanted to live in the mountains. He has violated the Code of Conduct in his 28 minute speech and he is an e[m]barrassment to everyone who has worn the uniform. He made it to two towns and was asking for water when the locals turned him over to the Taliban. That is really all I can say– since we are still looking for this soldier.”

_http://michellemalkin.com/2009/07/20/questions-about-the-reported-abduction-of-pfc-bowe-bergdahl/
____________________________________________________

I’ve been reporting for over a week (along with the AP and WaPo) that Pfc. Bowe Bergdahl, the US soldier who’s gone missing in eastern Afghanistan, walked off the base on his own accord.

Now, somebody close to the people searching for Bergdahl has repeated this assertion saying that the soldier left “a note behind that said he was going to the mountains to find himself. He took a journal and 4 or 5 knives with him.” My source tells me that Bergdahl arrived at a village and asked if anybody spoke English. That’s when he was captured.

My source tells me that there is no doubt Bergdahl deserted, which in a time of war is punishable by a court martial at the least, or even execution.

http://trueslant.com/pjtobia/2009/07/20/source-bergdahl-deserted/

tanked59 on June 4, 2014 at 3:24 PM

QUESTION: “Ms Harf, the Pentagon, under YOUR administration, determined in 2010 that Bergdahl deserted. Are you accusing your administration of lying?”

MS HARF: “Uhmmm… let me get back to you on that.”

dominigan on June 4, 2014 at 3:24 PM

Stephanie O’Neil, a Hailey resident who is organizing the June 28 celebration dubbed “Bowe is Back,” said that they’re preparing for a crowd of 10,000 to 15,000 people, including about 2,000 bikers from Boise’s POW/MIA organization.

She doesn’t believe Bergdahl will be there, as he will still be recovering, but Carole King will provide the entertainment.

Good luck with your celebration…especially with the 2000 POW/MIA bikers…yikes!!!…

PatriotRider on June 4, 2014 at 3:25 PM

Proud to be a lackey in this battle. I have some suspicions that some of these soldiers have embellished the truth because they didn’t like Bowe. They may even be getting paid by an organization associated with a Fox News commentator.

jim56 on June 4, 2014 at 3:03 PM

It’s a good thing that they all went on the record 5 years ago.

Again, as the Pentagon determined in 2010, it is ‘incontrovertible’ that Bowe Robert Bergdahl abandoned his post in a time of war.

Period.

Story.

End of.

Resist We Much on June 4, 2014 at 3:26 PM

canopfor on June 4, 2014 at 3:16 PM

Pure comedy….I smell a Mel Brooks file in the making….

tanked59 on June 4, 2014 at 3:27 PM

That attack on these guys will add gas to the bonfire, IMHO. Dumb, dumb, dumb move.
dogsoldier on June 4, 2014 at 2:47 PM

Yeah, but look at how it has taken so much attention away from Benghazi, 0bamaInsurance, the VA, etc.

Oh, Look, Squirrel!

LegendHasIt on June 4, 2014 at 3:28 PM

Proud to be a lackey in this battle. I have some suspicions that some of these soldiers have embellished the truth because they didn’t like Bowe. They may even be getting paid by an organization associated with a Fox News commentator.
 
jim56 on June 4, 2014 at 3:03 PM

 
I’m just glad it can’t work the other way around.

rogerb on June 4, 2014 at 3:30 PM

“Dude, that was five years ago…and fact pattern.”

WTF is fact pattern? These dopes speak in 0bamaspeak. Millenial-leftists make me sick.

freedomfirst on June 4, 2014 at 3:30 PM

No one in this administration has much room to evaluate credibility when it comes to this deal.

Exactly. You can’t believe anything any one of them says anymore. It’s insulting that they would put Susan Rice out on the Sunday shows again and state anything authoritatively, as if she has any credibility.

scalleywag on June 4, 2014 at 3:32 PM

canopfor on June 4, 2014 at 3:16 PM

Pure comedy….I smell a Mel Brooks file in the making….

tanked59 on June 4, 2014 at 3:27 PM

tanked59:

I don’t,..this Bower Bergdahl’s Clown, has left a trial of DEAD
US Military Personnel, and Devasted Families!

Gawd only knows how much help, that he has given the Tolly-Bon
in killing coalition forces!

Even FOX News, knew on 2010 that he intentionally walked off the
base seeking aid and comfort in the enemy!!

canopfor on June 4, 2014 at 3:33 PM

fact pattern

Wow.

BirdEye on June 4, 2014 at 3:34 PM

“Just google it.” “It’s been ,like, 5 years ago.”
These people have been picked as spokespeople?
Pathetic
Incompetent
Arrogant
I can go on but you get the picture.

LeftCoastRight on June 4, 2014 at 3:34 PM

“June 28 celebration dubbed “Bowe is Back,”

Maybe Jane Fonda should be the MC….

PatriotRider on June 4, 2014 at 3:34 PM

What is a Fact Pattern?

“Fact Pattern” is a term used in many areas, especially law. In law, the term fact pattern simply means the true and accurate description of what happened in a crime, or alternatively events leading to a lawsuit. Thus the “pattern” of facts may be used to help solve mysteries in a crime or be used to compare it to other crimes. “Fact pattern” is used in academics, particularly history. Since, especially over long periods of time, events can be construed and described with very different story lines, historians’ interpretation can render “truth” highly subjective. Therefore, a good fact pattern is based on verifiable events or facts, combined with true (again, verifiable) details/characteristics/sequencing/etc.

Fact pattern to me is a very good term of art for investing. One, a “chain of facts” or a “sequence of facts” tends to imply a component of time. Investing is an activity that is inherently practiced and measured over time. Things we invest in, such as real estate, are impacted by facts that occur or may change over time. Two, it implies many facts, it implies complexity, an acknowledgement that investment decision making requires assimilating and interpreting complexity. Third, patterns imply probability, but not certainty. Investing is a function of correctly applying probability to the future. While we cannot know for sure what is going to happen next, we can attempt to apply probabilities to future outcomes, wherein consistent investment performance lies.

Posted 17th September 2012

http://factpattern.blogspot.ca/2012/09/what-is-fact-pattern.html

canopfor on June 4, 2014 at 3:36 PM

Perhaps they made up the story of the note?

(Resist We Must, this is what I heard last night on Fox News at 6 p.m.)

jim56 on June 4, 2014 at 3:07 PM

Yeah, that’s it. The NYT, which endorsed Obama twice, made up the story about the note in order to ‘get’ Obama while one reporter on Fox, who you misunderstood, is being paid by either Rupert Murdoch or the Koch Brothers to decimate the NYT in order to tell the truth about our President, with his ‘noble intentions’, and this honourable soldier, who spent 5 years as a POW after the Taliban stormed the OP he was on in Afghanistan and took him hostage where they tortured him with antiwar statements made by Medea Benjamin, Sean Penn, Danny Glover, Michael Moore, and Jane Fonda constantly…which very much hurt his feelings since he is sooooo utterly proud of being an American and couldn’t love his country and its role in Afghanistan more if he tried.

Or something.

Tell me, do you double or triple wrap your house in aluminium?

Resist We Much on June 4, 2014 at 3:36 PM

And the GOP is… where?

For f*cks sake, do they have a single testicle among them?

Midas on June 4, 2014 at 2:12 PM

Apparently, the single testicle possessed by the GOP was mis-placed during last years “Take Your Testicle to Work” day. Word is that some of them are still trying to locate it.

oldleprechaun on June 4, 2014 at 3:36 PM

Proud to be a lackey in this battle. I have some suspicions that some of these soldiers have embellished the truth because they didn’t like Bowe. They may even be getting paid by an organization associated with a Fox News commentator.

jim56 on June 4, 2014 at 3:03 PM

Let’s apply Occam’s Razor here.

Which is more likely, that a weirdo from Idaho deserted, or that someone at Fox News is paying combat veterans to lie about a completely innocent party and risk retaliation by the military as well as exposure?

A Chair of Some Kind on June 4, 2014 at 3:36 PM

US Army Sgt. Bergdahl freed
6m
Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel called Bowe Bergdahl’s family; reassured them focus is on Bergdahl’s ‘health and well-being and reintegration’ – @jimsciutto
End of alert

canopfor on June 4, 2014 at 3:38 PM

Afghanistan more if he tried.

Or something.

Tell me, do you double or triple wrap your house in aluminium?

Resist We Much on June 4, 2014 at 3:36 PM

Resist We Much: To quote Rush,

Right On, Right On , Right On–:0

canopfor on June 4, 2014 at 3:41 PM

Here’s Thad Cochran on Twitter praising the anti-American traitor Berhdahl:
@SenThadCochran: Welcome home, Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl. A grateful America thanks you for your service.
https://twitter.com/senthadcochran/status/472809214801608705

This fool Cochran has to go!
bluegill on June 4, 2014 at 12:38 AM

Cochran has since deleted the tweet without explanation!!

bluegill on June 4, 2014 at 3:44 PM

Proud to be a lackey in this battle. I have some suspicions that some of these soldiers have embellished the truth because they didn’t like Bowe. They may even be getting paid by an organization associated with a Fox News commentator.

jim56 on June 4, 2014 at 3:03 PM

The troops who gave their lives looking for Bergdahl unavailable for comment.

Flora Duh on June 4, 2014 at 3:44 PM

ABC is digging deep for the most important facts in regards to Bergdahl’s actions in Afghanistan. His ballet instructor back in Idaho thought he was a nice guy.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/bowe-bergdahls-roommates-paint-picture-controversial-soldier/story?id=23982065

Wigglesworth on June 4, 2014 at 3:44 PM

Proud to be a lackey in this battle. I have some suspicions that some of these soldiers have embellished the truth because they didn’t like Bowe. They may even be getting paid by an organization associated with a Fox News commentator.
 
jim56 on June 4, 2014 at 3:03 PM

 
Let’s apply Occam’s Razor here.
 
Which is more likely, that a weirdo from Idaho deserted, or that someone at Fox News is paying combat veterans to lie about a completely innocent party and risk retaliation by the military as well as exposure?
 
A Chair of Some Kind on June 4, 2014 at 3:36 PM

 
Well duh. Didn’t you read the part where he brought up Faux News?

rogerb on June 4, 2014 at 3:46 PM

The troops who gave their lives looking for Bergdahl unavailable for comment.

Flora Duh on June 4, 2014 at 3:44 PM

Good to see you. And how about the guys who caught the five released? What a kick in the teeth.

Cindy Munford on June 4, 2014 at 3:47 PM

Let’s apply Occam’s Razor here.

Which is more likely, that a weirdo from Idaho deserted, or that someone at Fox News is paying combat veterans to lie about a completely innocent party and risk retaliation by the military as well as exposure?

A Chair of Some Kind on June 4, 2014 at 3:36 PM

Umm. Without seeing the results of a full investigation, I’d call the odds roughly 50-50. (Note: not at Fox News; it’s a PR firm)

jim56 on June 4, 2014 at 3:47 PM

Media makes false accusation about G.W. Bush’s service record and the progressive left responds that while it may be faked, it is accurate.

Actual Soldiers make factual claims about Kerry or Bergdahl and the progressive left proclaims it to be “Swift Boating”.

As Lenin said, guilt or innocence is a bourgeois concept. What is important is whether someone is expedient for the cause or not.

KW64 on June 4, 2014 at 3:49 PM

canopfor on June 4, 2014 at 3:33 PM

Don’t misunderstand me please….I am also an Army vet, having last worn the uniform over 20 years ago, and I was referring solely to the disconnect from reality & truth between Reid and the WH (as evidenced by the tweets), and not in general to the whole Bergdahl story….

tanked59 on June 4, 2014 at 3:49 PM

platypus on June 4, 2014 at 3:14 PM

In my opinion, this was not a covert operation. Was Bergdahl’s unit special forces? I don’t get the impression he was an operator.

freedomfirst on June 4, 2014 at 3:49 PM

Umm. Without seeing the results of a full investigation, I’d call the odds roughly 50-50. (Note: not at Fox News; it’s a PR firm)

jim56 on June 4, 2014 at 3:47 PM

like that investigation done in 2010?

I’d call you too stupid to breath, but here you are.

NotCoach on June 4, 2014 at 3:50 PM

From the lyrics of an old song, “everybody has to meet their Waterloo.” Is it Obama’s time? Could be.

Dan_NV on June 4, 2014 at 3:53 PM

jim56 on June 4, 2014 at 3:47 PM

Well, considering the WH has omitted the Fact Pattern from the file, that speaks loud and clear.

Of course those platoon members were interviewed. If the WH had approved of what they said, those interviews would be in the file.

INC on June 4, 2014 at 3:53 PM

Good grief.
I felt so much safer during the cold war, despite the fact total annihilation was a real possibility.
At least then, our president and Congress were more likely to act on behalf of the United States and not the Soviet Union, China, North Korea, etc.

freedomfirst on June 4, 2014 at 3:53 PM

canopfor on June 4, 2014 at 3:33 PM

Don’t misunderstand me please….I am also an Army vet, having last worn the uniform over 20 years ago, and I was referring solely to the disconnect from reality & truth between Reid and the WH (as evidenced by the tweets), and not in general to the whole Bergdahl story….

tanked59 on June 4, 2014 at 3:49 PM

tanked59:

Well, your on a site that respects the Military, and won’t put
up with BS.

I lost a family memeber(John Wayne Faught- Canadian ) to an IED
in Afghanistan.

canopfor on June 4, 2014 at 3:54 PM

http://factpattern.blogspot.ca/2012/09/what-is-fact-pattern.html

canopfor on June 4, 2014 at 3:36 PM

Thx for the explanation sir. Although in this administration’s case, “fact pattern” means, “we lie…over, under, around and through.”

cabra viejo on June 4, 2014 at 3:55 PM

Yeah, that’s it. The NYT, which endorsed Obama twice, made up the story about the note in order to ‘get’ Obama while one reporter on Fox, who you misunderstood, is being paid by either Rupert Murdoch or the Koch Brothers to decimate the NYT in order to tell the truth about our President, with his ‘noble intentions’, and this honourable soldier, who spent 5 years as a POW after the Taliban stormed the OP he was on in Afghanistan and took him hostage where they tortured him with antiwar statements made by Medea Benjamin, Sean Penn, Danny Glover, Michael Moore, and Jane Fonda constantly…which very much hurt his feelings since he is sooooo utterly proud of being an American and couldn’t love his country and its role in Afghanistan more if he tried.

Or something.

Tell me, do you double or triple wrap your house in aluminium?

Resist We Much on June 4, 2014 at 3:36 PM

Do you always rush to judgment, or do you wait until much more of the facts are better known, counselor?

All I’m saying is that there is a third possibility that needs to be considered.

jim56 on June 4, 2014 at 3:56 PM

And the GOP is… where?

For f*cks sake, do they have a single testicle among them?

Midas on June 4, 2014 at 2:12 PM

Apparently, the single testicle possessed by the GOP was mis-placed during last years “Take Your Testicle to Work” day. Word is that some of them are still trying to locate it.

oldleprechaun on June 4, 2014 at 3:36 PM

Yeah, thanks for that, ole leppie. Here I am sitting in a class that I’m teaching waiting for the students to finish a lab and I start I’m choking half to death trying to keep from laughing out loud. Now they want to know what’s so funny, but most of them are libs. No can do.

HiJack on June 4, 2014 at 3:57 PM

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