Open thread: Showdown in Mississippi

posted at 7:21 pm on June 3, 2014 by Allahpundit

The last four polls from the state had it McDaniel by four, Cochran by five, Cochran by one, McDaniel by two. Overall poll average: Dead heat. There is, in other words, a very real chance that tea partiers, having been thwarted in Kentucky by McConnell, are going to beat their third GOP incumbent in as many cycles after all tonight in Mississippi. Here’s your thread to follow the returns, which could run late given how close the race is. Everyone grasps the basic dynamics of the race — establishment versus tea party, pork-procurement versus ideology — but don’t overlook age as a factor in the outcome. This tidbit from FiveThirtyEight’s Harry Enten caught my eye:

If seniors turn out strong for Cochran, it may be enough. Age has actually played several roles in the race, not only as a proxy for Cochran’s endless tenure in D.C. but also, of course, as an element of his wife being harassed in her nursing home by that blogger. A few writers who’ve been covering it also couldn’t help notice that Cochran himself seems a step slower these days than he used to be. Dave Weigel calls it the issue that no one wants to talk about. Molly Ball’s willing to, though:

As the primary neared, Cochran’s campaign has sought to create the impression of a candidate fighting vigorously for survival, setting him on an intensive, two-week bus tour around the state. Unhelpfully for a man trying to defeat the image that he is more at home in Washington than Mississippi, he has sometimes sounded like an awestruck tourist, as when he told the Wall Street Journal, “It’s just good to be home, in the warmth of the friendships of people I don’t get to see as often as I would like because I’m in Washington most of the time.” And while his campaign touts his long days and punishing schedule on the trail, much of the tour has not been advertised publicly. At a coffee shop here Monday morning, I watched as Cochran’s staff moved him from place to place like a prop; Representative Gregg Harper, a supporter, had to remind him to greet patrons, and he was mostly silent as he shook hands, standing still and listening as Harper made conversation…

Onstage at the rally, Cochran read from paper notes. It was a stock speech of generic Republican lines, a marked contrast from Cochran’s rambling performance earlier in Meridian. Cochran read slowly and deliberately, looking up from the podium every so often. The other politicians surrounding him onstage appeared nervous about whether he’d make it through the text, but he did not stumble. “President Obama has taken us down some wrong paths, but starting tomorrow, we can get America back on the right path,” Cochran said. “That starts with repealing Obamacare!” Belatedly, he thrust a finger forward, then waited as the crowd applauded forcefully.

The impression you get from the piece, as someone said today on Twitter, is of a guy who might very well have wanted to retire but was conscripted into another battle by the state’s GOP establishment because he was still their best chance to stop McDaniel and maximize Mississippi’s pork opportunities. Ball calls Cochran a “Naive Establishmentarian,” an incumbent a la Bob Bennett or Dick Lugar who didn’t compete vigorously from the beginning of the race to beat back a tea-party challenge because he naively assumed that a state that had elected him repeatedly would never turn on him. Smart Republicans like McConnell, Orrin Hatch, and Lindsey Graham didn’t make that mistake and they’re all likely to be back in the Senate next year. We’ll find out tonight if the Cochran brand is enough to spare him Bennett’s and Lugar’s fate. Or maybe we won’t find out: If neither Cochran nor McDaniel gets to 50 percent, which is possible given that there’s a third-party candidate on the ballot too, they’ll head to a runoff in a few weeks.

The other big primary tonight is Iowa, where Joni “Make ‘Em Squeal” Ernst — who’s been endorsed by everyone from Mitt Romney to Sarah Palin to Marco Rubio — is the likely winner. There’s some runoff suspense there too, though, as Ernst needs to pull at least 35 percent to advance to the general election and has to hold off three opponents to do it, one of whom, Mark Jacobs, has spent millions on the race. If he ends up in a runoff with Ernst, it’ll be a battle between big money and big endorsements. And maybe some more castration ads.

You can follow the returns at Politico, RCP, or Ace’s “Decision Desk” crew, who do a nice job and have actually called races in the past before some of the pros have. The polls close at 8 p.m. ET in Mississippi and at 10 p.m. ET in Iowa.

Update: Looking good early for Cochran, says The Upshot’s Nate Cohn.

Update: At 10 p.m. ET, with 43 percent in, Cochran’s at 51 percent. He’s also up early in Rankin County, a key battleground. Cochran’s urban support is keeping pace with McDaniel’s rural support, too:

Update: RCP analyst Sean Trende thinks it’s looking good for Cochran, but maybe not good enough to avoid a runoff.

Update: McDaniel’s best hope:

Update: Hmmmmm.

Update: Late surge by McDaniel?

Ace’s decision desk now has McDaniel up a tiny bit at 50.5 percent. Others have McDaniel up 49.6/48.8 with 77 percent in.

Update: McDaniel’s at 50.2 percent with 83 percent reporting. Gotta think he’s the favorite if they end up in a runoff. Now or never for Cochran.

Update: Meanwhile, no suspense in Iowa. Joni Ernst wins without a runoff, per the AP. Bring on Bruce Braley.

Update: Runoff looking more likely in Mississippi. On the one hand, McDaniel has now slipped to 49.9 percent. On the other hand:

Update: Still some precincts left but it looks like we’re destined for a runoff — and an eventual McDaniel victory. Let the establishment whining begin!


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blockchords on June 4, 2014 at 12:34 AM

You might want to familiarize yourself with Huntsville.

Charlemagne on June 4, 2014 at 12:37 AM

Here’s Thad Cochran on Twitter praising the anti-American traitor Berhdahl:

@SenThadCochran: Welcome home, Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl. A grateful America thanks you for your service.

https://twitter.com/senthadcochran/status/472809214801608705

This fool Cochran has to go!

bluegill on June 4, 2014 at 12:38 AM

Um no. You chose to see race.

coolrepublica on June 4, 2014 at 12:31 AM

Um no. You specifically stated that you were talking about race and then proceeded to talk about race in relation to politics. How is this hard?

yaedon on June 4, 2014 at 12:38 AM

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canopfor on June 4, 2014 at 12:39 AM

McDaniel is up to 49.6%. Only .4%+1vote away.

topdawg on June 4, 2014 at 12:39 AM

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canopfor on June 4, 2014 at 12:40 AM

Here’s your quote, just in case you forgot what you typed:

let’s get this clear

I consider talking about race here like trying to convert the Pope to Protestantism.

I am under no illusion that I am going to say or do something, or bring Jesus to say or do something that is going to change minds.

Republicans are no better for black folks than democrats. Both parties sucks! But Republicans suck more because no matter how bad things get for blacks in blue states, they only have to look at Mississippi and Alabama to see how bad sh!t could really be.

Given a chance between two crappy choices, a lot of blacks choose to pick the least sh!tty option.

coolrepublica on May 24, 2014 at 4:12 PM

yaedon on June 4, 2014 at 12:40 AM

You might want to familiarize yourself with Huntsville.

Charlemagne on June 4, 2014 at 12:37 AM

Heh. Don’t doubt it. I was making generalizations about why they rank so low in GDP per capita. I’m sure that the items I mentioned aren’t strictly absent from MS and AL.

Quick check, I see some space industry in Huntsville…

blockchords on June 4, 2014 at 12:41 AM

CA-4 Tom McClintock advances with 54.4%

CA-11 Tue Phan advances with 27.9%

topdawg on June 4, 2014 at 12:42 AM

…busy with another troll…go twitter or something!……………don’t forget the scaly thong!

KOOLAID2 on June 4, 2014 at 12:32 AM

:D

Judge_Dredd on June 4, 2014 at 12:44 AM

Rankin county is stuck at 68% (heavily favoring McDainels). The fraud machine is underway.

nobar on June 4, 2014 at 12:45 AM

Right now black people in Mississippi and Alabama are at the bottom of all stats that has to do with quality of life in this country.

coolrepublica on June 4, 2014 at 12:16 AM

Hmmm. Seems like I remember that the Democrats were in power in Mississippi for quite a spell … are you saying that the black people in Mississippi were prosperous and happy and ejoyed a great quality of life under the old management, before those mean, ugly-spirited Republicans somehow got into power and ruined everything?

(doesn’t sound like the history I learned in school – or the news I saw on TV as a child …

RedPepper on June 4, 2014 at 12:32 AM

You remember right.

For the record:

Daniel Kirkwood Fordice, Jr., known as Kirk Fordice (February 10, 1934 – September 7, 2004), was a politician from the US state of Mississippi. He was the 60th Governor of Mississippi from January 14, 1992, until January 11, 2000. He was the first Republican governor of the state since Reconstruction-era governor Adelbert Ames, who served from 1874 to 1876.

1992 was the first time Mississippi had a Republican governor in over a hundred years. Most of the rest of the state offices were still controlled by Democrats, even then. It’s only been since the Tea Party in 2010 that Republicans started to control more of the states offices. Even now, some of the most entrenched people in the legislature are Democrats, blocking every effort to implement laws Republicans want for all they’re worth. That’s why it took until just a couple years ago to finally get a clear law concerning the definition of a concealed weapon. Until then, police could charge you with carrying a concealed weapon if any part of it was not in view at all times. So a holstered weapon was a concealed weapon, a pistol sitting on its side on top of a table was a concealed weapon. The joke was the only way to carry a weapon in Mississippi without a concealed carry permit was to tie a string to the trigger guard and whirl it around your head.

Why all the hassle? Just because the law didn’t specifically define what a concealed weapon was, and the police had to rely on the opinions of the state Attorney General, who was always a Democrat.

So it’s a little soon to blame the problems on the Republicans after the Democrats had been running the state ever since Reconstruction.

There Goes the Neighborhood on June 4, 2014 at 12:45 AM

Looks like MS is heading for a runoff. With 97.9% of the vote, Cockroach is at 48.8%. No way he can win. Can he?

conservative hispanic on June 4, 2014 at 12:47 AM

From AOSHQDD:

“We have called it for McDaniel to finish ahead, but there will be a runoff.”

Damn, if only we had had a McDaniel in TX, we could have possibly gotten rid of Cornyn.

TxAnn56 on June 4, 2014 at 12:35 AM

a couple of hours ago they called it for cochran and had to walk it all back.
Covington came in big for McDaniel…am waiting on Holmes..a few thousand votes could give the win to McDaniel outright.

gracie on June 4, 2014 at 12:47 AM

Cochran and the GOP establishment need to do the right thing and concede. Save the money to beat the democrat in November.

SouthernGent on June 4, 2014 at 12:49 AM

Looks like MS is heading for a runoff. With 97.9% of the vote, Cockroach is at 48.8%. No way he can win. Can he?

conservative hispanic on June 4, 2014 at 12:47 AM

No he can’t. Waiting on Holmes County to come in. so far o%. supposed to be McDaniel country. 20K people live there but have no idea how many will be voting..maybe about 2500.

gracie on June 4, 2014 at 12:50 AM

Damn, if only we had had a McDaniel in TX, we could have possibly gotten rid of Cornyn.

TxAnn56 on June 4, 2014 at 12:35 AM

It’s hard to find credible candidates, but when we do they more often than not beat the pants off the Republican leadership.

Regardless, this should quiet liberal GOP bigmouths who were claiming the Tea Party is “dead” after McConnell’s win.

Doomberg on June 4, 2014 at 12:50 AM

By the way, coolrepublica:

You want to know where black people have the toughest time of it in MS due to crime and unemployment? In Jackson, MS, which is mostly controlled by Democrats.

yaedon on June 4, 2014 at 12:51 AM

CA-49 Darrell Issa advances with 60.7%

CA-50 Duncan Hunter advances with 67.8%

topdawg on June 4, 2014 at 12:51 AM

Um no. You specifically stated that you were talking about race and then proceeded to talk about race in relation to politics. How is this hard?

yaedon on June 4, 2014 at 12:38 AM

Well things are bad race wise in Mississippi and Alabama for blacks folks. Just last year a sorority at the university of Alabama fought to keep a black girl from joining.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2588883/Uni-Alabama-white-sororities-win-right-remain-racist-rejecting-two-applicants-black.html

Do you know of any other sorority in the nation that has an active policy of not accepting black people?

Actually I will look into that.

coolrepublica on June 4, 2014 at 12:51 AM

With 97.9% of the vote, Cockroach is at 48.8%. No way he can win. Can he?

conservative hispanic on June 4, 2014 at 12:47 AM

Nope. Not tonight, anyway.

yaedon on June 4, 2014 at 12:52 AM

:D

Judge_Dredd on June 4, 2014 at 12:44 AM

…who knew she would listen…^^^…when I told her to go twitter or something?

KOOLAID2 on June 4, 2014 at 12:52 AM

Cochran and the GOP establishment need to do the right thing and concede. Save the money to beat the democrat in November.

SouthernGent on June 4, 2014 at 12:49 AM

I agree. Old man Cochran doesn’t have the gas for a runoff..looks like he’s fixing to die faster than his poor wife in the nursing home. maybe he should move back home and spend a little quality time with her…ya know…reconnect.

gracie on June 4, 2014 at 12:53 AM

Update: Still some precincts left but it looks like we’re destined for a runoff — and an eventual McDaniel victory. Let the establishment whining begin!

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! – sound at gopE HQ

BoxHead1 on June 4, 2014 at 12:56 AM

McDaniel is up to 49.6%. Only .4%+1vote away.

topdawg on June 4, 2014 at 12:39 AM

Looks like Covington county came in big for McDaniel, and Choctaw and Clarke added some, but it was partially offset by Warren country which trended Cochran.

Holmes county and the rest of Rankin county are the big question marks now. Hard to say how many votes are there.

Looks like an extra 1000 vote gain over Cochran could be enough to tip it.

There Goes the Neighborhood on June 4, 2014 at 12:58 AM

Um no. You specifically stated that you were talking about race and then proceeded to talk about race in relation to politics. How is this hard?

yaedon on June 4, 2014 at 12:38 AM

Well things are bad race wise in Mississippi and Alabama for blacks folks. Just last year a sorority at the university of Alabama fought to keep a black girl from joining.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2588883/Uni-Alabama-white-sororities-win-right-remain-racist-rejecting-two-applicants-black.html

Do you know of any other sorority in the nation that has an active policy of not accepting black people?

Actually I will look into that.

coolrepublica on June 4, 2014 at 12:51 AM

I do not condone the exclusion of a person from any organization based on race.

So, you don’t deny that you were in fact talking about race and that kakypat didn’t just arbitrarily choose “to see race” in your comment?

yaedon on June 4, 2014 at 12:58 AM

…who knew she would listen…^^^…when I told her to go twitter or something?

KOOLAID2 on June 4, 2014 at 12:52 AM

Her “twitter” account reminds me of that Simpson’s episode where Gary Coleman is talking on the phone, carrying on conversations and it’s not even plugged in!

Judge_Dredd on June 4, 2014 at 12:59 AM

“Take the money and run. Here comes the TEA party posse!” the RINO cried out in fear.

BoxHead1 on June 4, 2014 at 12:59 AM

Do you know of any other sorority in the nation that has an active policy of not accepting black people?
Actually I will look into that.
coolrepublica on June 4, 2014 at 12:51 AM

Many blacks are horribly racist against whites. And it’s often excused. In fact, if you want to talk about colleges, “black studies” and “ethnic studies” often teache that blacks cannot be racist because, according to this sick racist, bigoted thinking, whites have special “privilege” making them the only ones who can be racist. It’s a bunch of bull, and I’m sick of it!

So I don’t even want to hear the boo hooing about how hard it is to be black anywhere in this country! If someone wants to succeed here, then they should get their butt in gear and study and stop expecting politicians or the government to give them handouts or special affirmative action treatment because of the color of their skin.

The problem is not racism, but is a cultural problem and lack of appreciation for education and hard work. Look at the Koreans who came here a decade ago without a lot of money, and now their kids are graduating from MIT and Stanford… oh, and they didn’t need affirmative action to get in, either. They got in the old-fashioned way: they earned it.

People complaining about blacks and how they need special treatment are really just saying that whites and Asians should be treated worse simply because of their race. Enough, already!

bluegill on June 4, 2014 at 1:00 AM

That Feehery tweet is hilarious.

“Why won’t you take our bribes MS!!!?. Why!?”

MWC_RS on June 4, 2014 at 1:01 AM

I mean the Koreans who came here a generation ago!

bluegill on June 4, 2014 at 1:01 AM

a couple of hours ago they called it for cochran and had to walk it all back.
Covington came in big for McDaniel…am waiting on Holmes..a few thousand votes could give the win to McDaniel outright.

gracie on June 4, 2014 at 12:47 AM

Holmes County isn’t going to give any GOP person a few thousand votes. It’s a very rural area, 80% black (at least according to Wikipedia).

SouthernGent on June 4, 2014 at 1:01 AM

Um no. You specifically stated that you were talking about race and then proceeded to talk about race in relation to politics. How is this hard?

yaedon on June 4, 2014 at 12:38 AM

Well things are bad race wise in Mississippi and Alabama for blacks folks. Just last year a sorority at the university of Alabama fought to keep a black girl from joining.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2588883/Uni-Alabama-white-sororities-win-right-remain-racist-rejecting-two-applicants-black.html

Do you know of any other sorority in the nation that has an active policy of not accepting black people?

Actually I will look into that.

coolrepublica on June 4, 2014 at 12:51 AM

Race relations are generally better in the South than in the North. Much to the dismay and disappointment of racial arsonists like Sharpton.

It wasn’t always like that, of course. But the Democrats don’t run things any more.

There Goes the Neighborhood on June 4, 2014 at 1:01 AM

Holmes County isn’t going to give any GOP person a few thousand votes. It’s a very rural area, 80% black (at least according to Wikipedia).

SouthernGent on June 4, 2014

Except this is only the primary .

sandee on June 4, 2014 at 1:02 AM

Well things are bad race wise in Mississippi and Alabama for blacks folks. Just last year a sorority at the university of Alabama fought to keep a black girl from joining.

sororities and frats discriminate up and down the line for every imaginable criterion because they can and do….they are pretty passe compared to their heyday in the last century.

fagettaboutit

gracie on June 4, 2014 at 1:02 AM

Why are “historically Black colleges” considered fine, when “historically white college” would be considered horribly racist?

bluegill on June 4, 2014 at 1:03 AM

Holmes County isn’t going to give any GOP person a few thousand votes. It’s a very rural area, 80% black (at least according to Wikipedia).

SouthernGent on June 4, 2014 at 1:01 AM

you may be right on…but I’m wondering why they are holding out until the last…. something other than the weather’s up.

gracie on June 4, 2014 at 1:05 AM

There Goes the Neighborhood on June 4, 2014 at 12:45 AM

Thanks. I was going to list some prominent Mississippi Democrats (all segregationists) in my earlier post, but there were so many … people like Ross Barnett, James Eastland, Paul B. Johnson, John Bell Williams and Stephen Wright (all Governors of Mississippi), and of course Senator John Stennis … but once you start down that road, you could be typing all night.

RedPepper on June 4, 2014 at 1:05 AM

Why are “historically Black colleges” considered fine, when “historically white college” would be considered horribly racist?

bluegill on June 4, 2014 at 1:03 AM

Obama…

sandee on June 4, 2014 at 1:06 AM

Whenever I hear people complaining, “what is the government and this or that political party going to do for me?” I think of the grasshopper from the old cartoon who would sing, “oh, the world owes me a living!”

Video: http://youtu.be/wM1DgihKHVI

bluegill on June 4, 2014 at 1:07 AM

Race relations are generally better in the South than in the North. Much to the dismay and disappointment of racial arsonists like Sharpton.

It wasn’t always like that, of course. But the Democrats don’t run things any more.

There Goes the Neighborhood on June 4, 2014 at 1:01 AM

I agree 100% with this.

The majority of Northern white folks who talk about how horrible racism is in the South have never been to the South and go days or weeks between sightings of an actual black person.

Here in the South, whites and blacks live next to each other and have learned to live together. It isn’t perfect. There are plenty of things that need to improve between races down here. But, we have come so far and are in many ways a more integrated society than the northern part of the nation.

yaedon on June 4, 2014 at 1:10 AM

a couple of hours ago they called it for cochran and had to walk it all back.
Covington came in big for McDaniel…am waiting on Holmes..a few thousand votes could give the win to McDaniel outright.

gracie on June 4, 2014 at 12:47 AM

Holmes County isn’t going to give any GOP person a few thousand votes. It’s a very rural area, 80% black (at least according to Wikipedia).

SouthernGent on June 4, 2014 at 1:01 AM

There’s still about 7700 uncounted votes in Ranking county, which could easily be enough to give it to McDaniel — if the remaining votes went for him in a big way. The problem is, so far the ratio there is 50.1 to 48.8 for McDaniel, which I think suggests only about 100 vote gain if they vote at the same ratio as the rest of the county.

McDaniel could still pull out a win tonight, but it’s looking more like a runoff.

There Goes the Neighborhood on June 4, 2014 at 1:12 AM

Maybe, hopefully , this will finally be the turning point. 0bummer is exposed as a hater of America and all the gopE aholes are exposed as cheap opportunists.

If Cantor loses then it’s going to be very cool to watch all the pols go TRUCON overnight. But don’t worry moderates, No Labels will be there for you.

BoxHead1 on June 4, 2014 at 1:13 AM

In a run off do you all think Mc Daniel could win?

sandee on June 4, 2014 at 1:16 AM

In a run off do you all think Mc Daniel could win?

sandee on June 4, 2014 at 1:16 AM

Allah thinks so – from the last update

Update: Still some precincts left but it looks like we’re destined for a runoff — and an eventual McDaniel victory. Let the establishment whining begin!

BoxHead1 on June 4, 2014 at 1:17 AM

There Goes the Neighborhood on June 4, 2014 at 1:12 AM

Why would Thad send out Greg Harper to speak to his supporters…?

d1carter on June 4, 2014 at 1:17 AM

Actually here are the things I just found out about Alabama.

Alabama voted to actually keep racist language in their constitution in 2012
http://globalgrind.com/2012/11/07/alabama-votes-keep-racist-language-state-constitution-2012-details/

Alabama was the last state to take their ban of interracial marriages off their books in 2000.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Interracial_marriage_in_the_United_States

40% of Alabamans wanted the ban to remain.

I even watched this vice doc on the university of Alabama

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=on0mT8MQ-Wg

It would be nice to actually hear from black folks who live in Alabama and Mississippi on here, but I think I am asking too much.

coolrepublica on June 4, 2014 at 1:18 AM

CA-8 Paul Cook advances with 57.5%

CA-48 Dana Rohrabacher advances with 55%

CA-52 Carl DeMaio advances with 35.8%

topdawg on June 4, 2014 at 1:20 AM

I don’t know Holmes county well enough to know how many votes are there, but looking at the counties next to it, I just don’t see enough votes to make a big difference there.

Unless the remaining votes in Rankin country break very sharply for McDaniel, I think we’re looking at a runoff.

At least McDaniel should be in better shape in a runoff.

There Goes the Neighborhood on June 4, 2014 at 1:20 AM

I would be concerned about the the electorate make up in the run off. There was some thought that Cochran tried to get the black Democratic vote out for him and there was a Democrat vote for McDaniel thinking he would be the easier to defeat.
I would guess the voter profile will be slightly different.

Tater Salad on June 4, 2014 at 1:21 AM

Holmes County:

Pop: 19,198

83.4% black

Voted for Obama with 81.4% in ’08

topdawg on June 4, 2014 at 1:24 AM

Why are “historically Black colleges” considered fine, when “historically white college” would be considered horribly racist?

bluegill on June 4, 2014 at 1:03 AM

You do know that white people can go to those black colleges and many do go. Those colleges are not historically black people they wanted to exclude white people. They are historically black colleges because black people were not allowed to go white colleges in the south and were told to start their own.

coolrepublica on June 4, 2014 at 1:26 AM

This was the first election in MS under the Voter ID law…anybody heard how that may have had any effect on voting…?

d1carter on June 4, 2014 at 1:27 AM

It would be nice to actually hear from black folks who live in Alabama and Mississippi on here, but I think I am asking too much.
coolrepublica on June 4, 2014 at 1:18 AM

When a member of this anti-white church is elected Pres. and more than half the country doesn’t want to mention it, then we have a real problem:
VIDEO: http://youtu.be/hAYe7MT5BxM

When was the last time you condemned any racism directed at whites? Why is racism against whites excused and even promoted in mainstream culture?

There is a real problem with racism, yep, and it’s the sick, often excused racism directed at whites. It has become politically correct to engage in racist behavior at the expense of whites.

bluegill on June 4, 2014 at 1:27 AM

Voted for Obama with 81.4% in ’08
topdawg on June 4, 2014 at 1:24 AM

What is that, about 15 points below the national average?

anuts on June 4, 2014 at 1:29 AM

Actually here are the things I just found out about Alabama.

Alabama voted to actually keep racist language in their constitution in 2012
http://globalgrind.com/2012/11/07/alabama-votes-keep-racist-language-state-constitution-2012-details/

Alabama was the last state to take their ban of interracial marriages off their books in 2000.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Interracial_marriage_in_the_United_States

40% of Alabamans wanted the ban to remain.

I even watched this vice doc on the university of Alabama

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=on0mT8MQ-Wg

It would be nice to actually hear from black folks who live in Alabama and Mississippi on here, but I think I am asking too much.

coolrepublica on June 4, 2014 at 1:18 AM

The law for separate schools had already been overturned by SCOTUS. Which was fitting, since SCOTUS had originally created the ‘separate but equal’ concept in Plessey v. Ferguson. So the vote to amend the Constitution would have sticken paragraphs that were already null, accomplishing nothing, while also removing the section of the Constitution that provided state funding for schools.

Which is why the vote to “remove racist language” was opposed by a teacher’s union, and by a black lawmaker. It would accomplish no good, and have negative side effects, andthe only gain would be the feel good claim of “taking a stand against racism.”

Much like your typical liberal program, where good intentions trump ineffectiveness and actual harm done by the feel-good initiative.

Do you actually read the links you find?

There Goes the Neighborhood on June 4, 2014 at 1:33 AM

It would be nice to actually hear from black folks who live in Alabama and Mississippi on here, but I think I am asking too much.
coolrepublica on June 4, 2014 at 1:18 AM

When a member of this anti-white church is elected Pres. and more than half the country doesn’t want to mention it, then we have a real problem:
VIDEO: http://youtu.be/hAYe7MT5BxM

When was the last time you condemned any racism directed at whites? Why is racism against whites excused and even promoted in mainstream culture?

There is a real problem with racism, yep, and it’s the sick, often excused racism directed at whites. It has become politically correct to engage in racist behavior at the expense of whites.

bluegill on June 4, 2014 at 1:27 AM

When was the last time you went for a job interview at a black business and you were denied the job because you were white bluegill?

I want to hear your story of racism that effected your life.

coolrepublica on June 4, 2014 at 1:34 AM

coolrepublica on June 4, 2014 at 1:18 AM

coolrepublica: did you notice, in the story you linked to on “racist language,” that the fight to retain this language was lead by Black legislators? Also, did you do any research on who had control of the State government? I’ll quote you one line from Wikipedia: “Historically, the Alabama Legislature has been dominated by Democrats; however, after the 2010 elections, for the first time in 136 years, both houses came under Republican control.”

RedPepper on June 4, 2014 at 1:39 AM

You do know that white people can go to those black colleges and many do go. Those colleges are not historically black people they wanted to exclude white people. They are historically black colleges because black people were not allowed to go white colleges in the south and were told to start their own.
coolrepublica on June 4, 2014 at 1:26 AM

Also on the subject of colleges, many colleges have dorms or sororities or fraternities that are based on skin color or race. It’s pathetic. Some people are so obsessed with their skin color and like isolating themselves in their racist little bubbles. There are even segregated graduation ceremonies, but it is considered politically correct, because the groups choosing to segregate based on race are not white.

Also, academic majors like “ethnic studies” are often nothing more than anti-white propaganda hellbent on convincing students that they are oppressed victims.

So you can post your little links till you’re blue in the face, but the huge issue is the kind of widespread, and, yes, institutionalized racism that is aimed at punishing whites. So, unless the person acknowledges that serious problem, I don’t want to hear a damn thing about how government or this or that politician is not doing enough or giving a particular racial group enough handouts or that a particular group is still being held back because of racist whites. It’s bull.

bluegill on June 4, 2014 at 1:40 AM

They are historically black colleges because black people were not allowed to go white colleges in the south and were told to start their own.
coolrepublica on June 4, 2014 at 1:26 AM

Yeah, thank God the likes of Lester Maddox, George Wallace, Orville Faubus, etc. didn’t prevail over Republican President Eisenhower or that would have been their only choices for higher education.

Tell me, does it even remotely sting a bit when you vote for the Party of slavery, secess1on, KKK, Jim Crowe, and segregation?

anuts on June 4, 2014 at 1:41 AM

When was the last time you went for a job interview at a black business and you were denied the job because you were white bluegill?
I want to hear your story of racism that effected your life.
coolrepublica on June 4, 2014 at 1:34 AM

Sweetheart, nothing can or will ever hold me back. There is no amount of racism that could ever stop me from getting what I work for.

bluegill on June 4, 2014 at 1:43 AM

A few precints and a car trunk or 3

Gohawgs on June 4, 2014 at 1:44 AM

CA-2 Dale Mensing advances with 22.6%

CA-7 Doug Ose advances with 25.7%

CA-18 Richard Fox advances with 22.9%

CA-22 Devin Nunes advances with 66.8%

CA-31 Paul Chabot advances with 26.1%

CA-53 Larry Wilske advances with 20.1%

topdawg on June 4, 2014 at 1:44 AM

Which is why the vote to “remove racist language” was opposed by a teacher’s union, and by a black lawmaker. It would accomplish no good, and have negative side effects, andthe only gain would be the feel good claim of “taking a stand against racism.”

Much like your typical liberal program, where good intentions trump ineffectiveness and actual harm done by the feel-good initiative.

Do you actually read the links you find?

There Goes the Neighborhood on June 4, 2014 at 1:33 AM

I can’t think of one negative side effect that would come from removing racist language that you admit was null and void by the brown vs board of education decision.

What do you think the negative side effects they were trying to prevent were when they waited until 2000 to remove the ban of interracial marriages off the books?

coolrepublica on June 4, 2014 at 1:45 AM

Sweetheart, nothing can or will ever hold me back. There is no amount of racism that could ever stop me from getting what I work for.

bluegill on June 4, 2014 at 1:43 AM

Really? Are you white or black?

coolrepublica on June 4, 2014 at 1:46 AM

topdawg on June 4, 2014 at 1:44 AM

What about that great feminist Sandra Fluked.

RickB on June 4, 2014 at 1:50 AM

coolrepublica,

Why are all your arguments about the red states in the South and their racist history and policies all come straight from the Democratic Party generally and liberal policy control specifically?

You’ll rightfully complain about that ugliness yet vote for the Party responsible for it. Do you ever once question the logic in that decision?

anuts on June 4, 2014 at 1:52 AM

coolrepublica on June 4, 2014 at 1:45 AM

Sock, you are complaining about a bunch of laws that were invalidated by SCOTUS. As TGTN referred to, seperate but equal was overturned w/ ‘Brown v Board of Education‘ (1954), and bans on interracial marriage were overturned ‘Loving v Virginia‘ (1967). Interracial marriage wasn’t actually banned through 2000.

blockchords on June 4, 2014 at 1:52 AM

AP failed to name the thread

Open thread: Showdown in Mississippi and Racism

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2014 at 1:53 AM

I don’t know why anyone wastes their time on coolrepublica, his line of thought is literally: “ALABAMA AND MISSISSIPPI ARE RED STATES TODAY! THAT MEANS REPUBLICANS WERE ALWAYS IN CONTROL! I’M IGNORANT OF HISTORY AND PROUD, BECAUSE I’M A LIBERAL!”

BKennedy on June 4, 2014 at 1:53 AM

coolrepublica:

This quote’s for you.

“A slave is one who waits for someone else to free him.”

~ Rosellen Brown (b. 1939)

RedPepper on June 4, 2014 at 1:53 AM

CA-12 John Dennis advances with 12.4%

CA-36 Brian Nestande advances with 33.9%

CA-41 Steve Adams advances with 37.1%

topdawg on June 4, 2014 at 1:56 AM

McDaniel still at 49.6% with 99.2% reporting. It will be a runoff.

topdawg on June 4, 2014 at 1:59 AM

McDaniel still at 49.6% with 99.2% reporting. It will be a runoff.

topdawg on June 4, 2014 at 1:59 AM

Damn…

sandee on June 4, 2014 at 2:00 AM

This was the first election in MS under the Voter ID law…anybody heard how that may have had any effect on voting…?

d1carter on June 4, 2014 at 1:27 AM

The only practical effect I saw was that, instead of presenting your voter registration card at the poll booth, you presented a photo ID.

There Goes the Neighborhood on June 4, 2014 at 2:01 AM

BECAUSE I’M A LIBERAL LEFTIST!”

BKennedy on June 4, 2014 at 1:53 AM

Be clear. Leftists of today are never liberal.

46 D-rats in the senate want the freedom of speech in the 1st Amendment removed. There was a big debate over it in the senate on June 2, 2014. Cruz asked “where did all the liberals go?”

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2014 at 2:08 AM

I can’t think of one negative side effect that would come from removing racist language that you admit was null and void by the brown vs board of education decision.

What do you think the negative side effects they were trying to prevent were when they waited until 2000 to remove the ban of interracial marriages off the books?

coolrepublica on June 4, 2014 at 1:45 AM

It was spelled out in the article you linked to. The law to remove those provisions from the state constitution would also have removed the requirement for the state to fund public schools. There’s your negative consequence.

Which I guess proves that you didn’t read the article. You also didn’t read where I repeated the same thing in my earlier reply. And it’s unlikely you’ll read my explanation above. So it’s a waste of time to explain it to you all over again.

The goal of removing racist language is fine, but the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

Remarkably like the road to the progressive utopia.

There Goes the Neighborhood on June 4, 2014 at 2:08 AM

Do you know of any other sorority in the nation that has an active policy of not accepting black people?

Actually I will look into that.

coolrepublica

You do that, professor. Don’t forget to fire up the bong while you do your research, lol.

xblade on June 4, 2014 at 2:09 AM

CA-13 Dakin Sundeen advances with 11.4%

Two Democrats in CA-17, neither Republican advanced

topdawg on June 4, 2014 at 2:11 AM

coolrepublica,

Why are all your arguments about the red states in the South and their racist history and policies all come straight from the Democratic Party generally and liberal policy control specifically?

You’ll rightfully complain about that ugliness yet vote for the Party responsible for it. Do you ever once question the logic in that decision?

anuts on June 4, 2014 at 1:52 AM

I don’t live in Alabama. I drove through it once and I have said that my experience was peculiar. There no people here that live in Alabama or Mississippi that are not white that I can ask about the black experience there in their everyday living. I use news articles and forums where blacks folks discuss their experience to form an opinion. If there are black people who think Alabama is not racist writing about their experience in the internet, they are doing a damn good job hiding. The closest things I read to approval are people saying things are better now, but that is not much since before it was ridiculously bad before.

So if you know a black person who thinks race relations are great, please tell them to sign up at the next open registration. I would love to hear from them to get a different picture of the black experience in Alabama and Mississippi.

coolrepublica on June 4, 2014 at 2:12 AM

Alabama was the last state to take their ban of interracial marriages off their books in 2000.http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Interracial_marriage_in_the_United_States40% of Alabamans wanted the ban to remain.I even watched this vice doc on the university of Alabamahttp://m.youtube.com/watch?v=on0mT8MQ-WgIt would be nice to actually hear from black folks who live in Alabama and Mississippi on here, but I think I am asking too much.
coolrepublica on June 4, 2014 at 1:18 AM

Look for ugly and you’ll find it staring back at you. You’re not asking too much so much as you’re prejudging too much. As someone earlier alluded to, here on the interwebs, one doesn’t even know if they’re talking to a dog, so even if 20 people were to respond, you wouldn’t believe them if their response didn’t jib with your prejudice.

I’m not going to read your stupid links but tell me if this ban (if true) affected anyone in the last 50 years? Hint it hasnt and you got race-rolled.

Secondly it’s interesting that you think 40% is indicative of the people’s will yet when 60% are consistently opposed to OboobiCare, it’s dismissed as astroturfing or some other nonsuch.

AH_C on June 4, 2014 at 2:15 AM

McDaniel still at 49.6% with 99.2% reporting. It will be a runoff.

topdawg on June 4, 2014 at 1:59 AM

Holmes county results came in, but it actually increased Cochran’s lead. Which seems strange for a county that was supposed to heavily favor McDaniel, but might be another indicator of Democratic cross-voting.

But there were few enough votes to begin with that it didn’t make much difference. More of the Rankin county votes came in, but so evenly divided that it had no notable effect.

Hello, runoff.

There Goes the Neighborhood on June 4, 2014 at 2:16 AM

CA-16 Johnny Tacherra advances with 22.2%

topdawg on June 4, 2014 at 2:20 AM

Jacobs is really butt hurting over his loss…

OmahaConservative on June 4, 2014 at 2:31 AM

So glad the Jacob attack TV ads against Joni are done. What a fcuking creep he is…

OmahaConservative on June 4, 2014 at 2:35 AM

***** Alert *******?????????????????????

US Army Sgt. Bergdahl freed
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Video: Taliban release footage purported to show the transfer of US Army Sgt. Bergdahl – @zabihmujahid
Read more on shahamat-movie.com
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http://shahamat-movie.com/index.php?option=com_webplayer&view=video&wid=122

canopfor on June 4, 2014 at 2:45 AM

canopfor on June 4, 2014 at 2:45 AM

Race relations are generally better in the South than in the North. Much to the dismay and disappointment of racial arsonists like Sharpton.

It wasn’t always like that, of course. But the Democrats don’t run things any more.

There Goes the Neighborhood on June 4, 2014 at 1:01 AM

I agree 100% with this.

The majority of Northern white folks who talk about how horrible racism is in the South have never been to the South and go days or weeks between sightings of an actual black person.

Here in the South, whites and blacks live next to each other and have learned to live together. It isn’t perfect. There are plenty of things that need to improve between races down here. But, we have come so far and are in many ways a more integrated society than the northern part of the nation.

yaedon on June 4, 2014 at 1:10 AM

Yaedon, thank you for your posts to coolrepublica. I lost my Internet connection, and wasn’t able to respond to his accusation that it was I who chose to bring race into the discussion when the opposite is true.

I’ve lived in Oregon, where the black pop is 4%, and can go months without seeing a black person. However, in MS, it is just as you both described. There is a thriving black middle class, and better, when not in a big ‘rat run city.

kakypat on June 4, 2014 at 3:07 AM

2014 US elections
1m
Ryan Zinke wins Republican nomination for US House in Montana primary – @AP
End of alert

canopfor on June 4, 2014 at 3:26 AM

2014 US elections
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Moderate GOP candidate Neel Kashkari advances in California primary; will face incumbent Gov. Jerry Brown – @AP
End of alert

canopfor on June 4, 2014 at 3:40 AM

US Army Sgt. Bergdahl freed
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Pentagon spokesman says there is no reason to doubt the authenticity of the Bowe Bergdahl transfer video – @CassVinograd
Read more on nbcnews.com
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Taliban Release Video Purporting to Show Bowe Bergdahl Transfer
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The Taliban released a video Wednesday purporting to show the moment former prisoner Bowe Bergdahl was handed over to American custody.

The 17-minute video, sent to NBC News by a known Taliban spokesman, shows both sides quickly shaking hands before a clean-shaven Bergdahl is handed over.

It was not immediately possible to verify the video’s authenticity, but Pentagon spokesman RADM John Kirby told NBC News there was “no reason to doubt the authenticity” of the clip.

“U.S. officials are currently reviewing the video, but our focus right now is in getting Bergdahl the care he needs,” Kirby said.

Staff Sgt. Bergdahl, who was held captive for five years, was released Saturday in exchange for five high-ranking Taliban militants held by the U.S. at Guantanamo Bay.

The swap was criticized by members of Congress who say that the Obama administration violated the law by failing to inform Congress of the move in advance. Some lawmakers say the decision to transfer Guantanamo detainees amounts to “negotiating with terrorists.”

Bergdahl remains at the U.S. military hospital in Landstuhl, Germany undergoing physical and psychological treatment.

In the video release by the Taliban, Bergdahl is shown in white local dress, appearing to blink in the bright light.

As a helicopter comes in for a landing, Bergdahl is brought out of the truck to wait, standing and clutching a plastic bag. Armed men dot the hillside above him.

Bergdahl is then led by two men – one of them waving a white flag – to greet three other men who have emerged from the helicopter.

Quick handshakes are exchanged and Bergdahl is patted down. One of the soldier’s new escorts flashes a thumbs up to the waiting helicopter, which has what appear to be soldiers inside.

Bergdahl is frisked again, his plastic bag discarded, and he is then loaded into the chopper.The entire apparent transfer – from helicopter landing to take off – takes just over one minute.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/bowe-bergdahl-released/taliban-release-video-purporting-show-bowe-bergdahl-transfer-n122006

canopfor on June 4, 2014 at 4:57 AM

canopfor on June 4, 2014 at 5:06 AM

I would be concerned about the the electorate make up in the run off. There was some thought that Cochran tried to get the black Democratic vote out for him and there was a Democrat vote for McDaniel thinking he would be the easier to defeat.
I would guess the voter profile will be slightly different.

Tater Salad on June 4, 2014 at 1:21 AM

I am concerned about the electorate makeup both last night and in a runoff. A group supporting Cochran most definitely ran an ad imploring Democrats to cross over for the primary to vote for Cochran. I don’t think any MS Democrat would vote for McDaniel, TBH. Even the Dems down here know that whoever wins the Republican primary will win the general. I do have anecdotal evidence of a Dem voting for Cochran yesterday, though. She gushed about what a “moderate” he is…of course, she would never vote for him in the general election.

yaedon on June 4, 2014 at 6:24 AM

kakypat on June 4, 2014 at 3:07 AM

You’re welcome!

yaedon on June 4, 2014 at 6:26 AM

MT-At-Large Ryan Zinke wins with 33.3%

CA-Gov Obama voter Neel Kashkari advances with 19%

CA-4 Art Moore advances with 22.8% making it an all Republican general with McClintock

CA-9 Tony Amador advances with 25.2%

CA-15 Hugh Bussell advances with 25.9%

CA-24 Chris Mitchum advances with 15.6%

CA-25 Two republicans advance to the general; Tony Strickland with 29.4% & Steve Knight with 28.3%

CA-29 Will Leader advances with 25.7%

CA-30 Mark Reed advances with 20.2%

CA-33 Elan Carr advances with 21.5%

CA-37 R. Adam King advances with 14.2%

CA-45 Mimi Walters advances with 44.7%

CA-46 Adam Nick advances with 18.5%

Chris McDaniel at 49.6% with 99.5% reporting.

topdawg on June 4, 2014 at 7:09 AM

Guess Mississippi’s tired of paying out taxpayer dollars to Cochran’s hooker.

HondaV65 on June 4, 2014 at 9:05 AM

bluegill on June 4, 2014 at 1:00 AM

Distancing

Bmore on June 4, 2014 at 9:30 AM

Ask President Romney about “Ace’s decision desk”.

corona79 on June 4, 2014 at 9:40 AM

…sure glad she lost her bet…and felt the consequences/

KOOLAID2 on June 4, 2014 at 10:20 AM

Here’s Thad Cochran on Twitter praising the anti-American traitor Berhdahl:
@SenThadCochran: Welcome home, Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl. A grateful America thanks you for your service.
https://twitter.com/senthadcochran/status/472809214801608705

This fool Cochran has to go!
bluegill on June 4, 2014 at 12:38 AM

He deleted the tweet!!

bluegill on June 4, 2014 at 3:42 PM

Schadenfreude

Bmore on June 4, 2014 at 9:22 PM

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