MSNBC host: So conservatives are basically arguing we should have left an American soldier behind, huh?

posted at 11:21 am on June 3, 2014 by Guy Benson

In which I (again) respond to a facile distillation of what conservatives supposedly believe from my friend Chris Hayes:

Hayes responded to my virtual head shake by asking what the “actual argument” was, evidently unaware of the objections critics have mounted against the Bergdahl trade — beyond an irrational, nihilistic hatred of the president and/or the troops, that is.  I replied with a rapid-fire series of tweets elucidating a handful of legitimate concerns that have been raised, concluding with a (perhaps needlessly personal) jab that may have discouraged him from continuing our exchange:

Twitchy rounded up other reactions to the original tweet here.  I might have emphasized further that it’s been Bergdahl’s former brothers in arms who’ve taken the lead in assailing the deal and hammering him, understandably so.  The mounting evidence that he was a deserter, if not something worse, has also attracted the attention of media outlets far beyond the usual precincts of the “American right-wing.”  It’s drawn the ire of Gold Star parents who lost a son in the search for Bergdahl, the details of which they allege were obscured by the military.  Beyond that, Democratic Senator Dianne Feinstein has criticized the White House for failing to consult Congress on this decision within the required time frame, a move several liberal legal experts have conceded was flatly unlawful.  Hell, just last year, Jay Carney explicitly acknowledged that no potential Bergdahl-related detainee transfers could take place without the consultation Congress, “in accordance with US law.”  Well then.  I’ll leave you with these three items, which speak for themselves:

And this Politico story was published on Sunday:

Forget The New Yorker’s “leading from behind,” and even President Barack Obama’s own “singles … doubles.” The West Wing has a preferred, authorized distillation of the president’s foreign-policy doctrine: “Don’t do stupid shi*t.” The phrase has appeared in The New York Times three times in the past four days. So, if the White House’s aim was to get the phrase in circulation, mission accomplished! The phrase – as “Don’t do stupid stuff,” with a demure disclaimer that the actual wording was saltier and spicier than “stuff” — appeared in the Los Angeles Times at the end of Obama’s Asia trip this spring, was reprised in the lead story of Thursday’s New York Times.

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Ed Schultz…the voice of reason.

Bishop on June 3, 2014 at 11:25 AM

No, what we are suggesting is that Taliban terrorists who are partly responsible for the deaths of thousands of Americans shouldn’t be exchanged for deserters and traitors.

ConstantineXI on June 3, 2014 at 11:26 AM

The West Wing has a preferred, authorized distillation of the president’s foreign-policy doctrine: “Don’t do stupid shi*t.”

Strangely, the world is not buying the self puffing peacock’s “Don’t do stupid shi*t.” But rather is getting a different opinion about Obama’s foreign policy – Chinese General Says U.S. Foreign Policy Has ‘Erectile Dysfunction’ Problems

Nevsky on June 3, 2014 at 11:28 AM

Well, this level of dishonesty is to be expected from the left, so no surprise here really.

In other breaking news, water is wet.

Paperclips on June 3, 2014 at 11:29 AM

He’s saying that if the Taliban had asked for KSM or the blind sheikh in return for Bergdahl, whether or not he’s a deserter, that we should have done it. Otherwise we’d be leaving an American behind.

Buddahpundit on June 3, 2014 at 11:29 AM

Waste of time, Guy.

Hayes is nothing more than a herald for the WH, and most assuredly believes that if Obama did it (whatever “it” may be), it can only be good and right.

BobMbx on June 3, 2014 at 11:30 AM

David Cloud @DavidCloudLAT
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AP: Hagel met with silence when he told troops in Bagram hangar: “This is a happy day. We got one of our own back.” http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_289563/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=2zYX9HfP
7:05 PM – 1 Jun 2014

Clueless.

VegasRick on June 3, 2014 at 11:30 AM

Guy, I don’t know how you can continue to consider a friend one who smears, denigrates and outright lies about roughly half of all Americans.

flipflop on June 3, 2014 at 11:30 AM

No, what we are suggesting is that Taliban terrorists who are partly responsible for the deaths of thousands of Americans shouldn’t be exchanged for deserters and traitors.

ConstantineXI on June 3, 2014 at 11:26 AM

Pretty much. This is an asinine narrative adopted by the Obama buttsniffers. Are they seriously defending this deal given what’s known about Bergdahl? Given how many Americans died trying to find him? Given how Obama did this in secret without consulting Congress? And given how these 5 detainees are reportedly not under any sort of surveillance or house arrest and could soon return to targeting innocent Americans?

Doughboy on June 3, 2014 at 11:31 AM

Did maddow get a face lift?

VegasRick on June 3, 2014 at 11:32 AM

AP: Hagel met with silence when he told troops in Bagram hangar: “This is a happy day. We got one of our own back.”

I bet everyone there knew through the military grapevine in Afghanistan that the military had long since concluded Bergdahl deserted. Thus, he could not be “one of us,” and to say so insulted every one of the soldiers there.

Wethal on June 3, 2014 at 11:32 AM

Hayes is a sexually ambiguous he-she who would fit in well with the type of woman Obama feels comfortable around.

ConstantineXI on June 3, 2014 at 11:32 AM

So Jeffrey Toobin is now a Conservative??

ToddPA on June 3, 2014 at 11:32 AM

I guess if you were against Reagan’s deal with Iran then you were also against getting our hostages freed from their brutal treatment by terrorists?

This is silly but if all you have is silly I guess that’s what you’ll offer up.

SteveMG on June 3, 2014 at 11:33 AM

“Shi*t?”

How exactly does adding an asterisk in the middle of a complete word somehow “sanitize” it? Is there a footnote I missed?

TB on June 3, 2014 at 11:33 AM

This deal was finalizing at the same time he was reading his speech to West Point, wasn’t it?

rogerb on June 3, 2014 at 11:34 AM

He’s saying that if the Taliban had asked for KSM or the blind sheikh in return for Bergdahl, whether or not he’s a deserter, that we should have done it. Otherwise we’d be leaving an American behind.

Buddahpundit on June 3, 2014 at 11:29 AM

That will be the price for the next Americans who are kidnapped by Islamists.

Wethal on June 3, 2014 at 11:34 AM

He’s saying that if the Taliban had asked for KSM or the blind sheikh in return for Bergdahl, whether or not he’s a deserter, that we should have done it. Otherwise we’d be leaving an American behind.

Buddahpundit on June 3, 2014 at 11:29 AM

You may have just sniffed out the whole deal. First we offered a shiny object, then some press from the WH, all of which was countered with a demand for “these 5 guys or we tell the whole story about Muhammed Al-Bergdahl and your obsession with gaining a headline at home”.

I can only imagine the Taliban negotiator was related to this fella.

BobMbx on June 3, 2014 at 11:34 AM

Chris Hayes, choke from intoxication. That obama-shit you constantly consume ain’t Beluga caviar, you incredible fool.

I like the Bergdahl fiasco in front of the world’s eyes.

World and USA, you deserve obama in full!!! Schadenfreude pure!!!

You asked for this, you got it. I hope that the most leftist heads will be chopped off so we can laugh. Islamists watch all but they have the leftists totally in their sight.

Schadenfreude on June 3, 2014 at 11:35 AM

I’m going to go out on a limb here and ask if this
Being’s Life partner is a Saint Bernard?

ToddPA on June 3, 2014 at 11:35 AM

Face it. This trade will go down in history with the trade in which the Dallas Cowboys sent Herschel Walker to the Minnesota Vikings.

And in this case, the US ain’t in the position of the Cowboys post-trade.

Get a man–any man–back? Fine. But trading the Murderers Row of Gitmo to get a deserter, perhaps a traitor? A one-for-one deal should have raised screaming objections. This trade is unbelievable. I suppose that the next time they hold someone really valuable to the US, they’ll immediately kill him or they’ll require a mind-boggling amount of consideration in exchange.

BuckeyeSam on June 3, 2014 at 11:35 AM

So Jeffrey Toobin is now a Conservative??

ToddPA on June 3, 2014 at 11:32 AM

And Turley too

Schadenfreude on June 3, 2014 at 11:35 AM

The West Wing has a preferred, authorized distillation of the president’s foreign-policy doctrine: “Don’t do stupid shi*t.”


Chinese General Says U.S. Foreign Policy Has ‘Erectile Dysfunction’ Problems

Resist We Much on June 3, 2014 at 11:36 AM

Liberals: “If it weren’t for strawmen, we’d have no men at all…”

Midas on June 3, 2014 at 11:36 AM

Leftists always get a hard-on for a traitor behind enemy lines…

Pest on June 3, 2014 at 11:36 AM

How exactly does adding an asterisk in the middle of a complete word somehow “sanitize” it? Is there a footnote I missed?

TB on June 3, 2014 at 11:33 AM

The morality filters can’t figure it out, and allow your bad word to be seen in public, possibly destroying civilization as we know it.

BobMbx on June 3, 2014 at 11:36 AM

This Bergdahl story also proves that there are very few liberal leftists.

They are, on TV and here, what I always said they are, leftist fascist thugs.

They side with the terrorists, starting with obama and Afghan Sr. Bergdahl, as Sophie calls the new American muslim.

I hope you all enjoy your 72 virgins, when you meet them.

Schadenfreude on June 3, 2014 at 11:37 AM

The West Wing has a preferred, authorized distillation of the president’s foreign-policy doctrine: “Don’t do stupid shi*t.”

Niebuhr got that from David Brooks.

cbenoistd on June 3, 2014 at 11:37 AM

I just saw some of CNN’s coverage. They’re pig piling on the idea that anybody who is critical of this wanted the deserter/defecter left behind. If there is any truth to the idea that Bergdahl managed to get himself off post after Bible study or something it is because of PTSD

Happy Nomad on June 3, 2014 at 11:38 AM

Face it. This trade will go down in history with the trade in which the Dallas Cowboys sent Herschel Walker to the Minnesota Vikings.

And in this case, the US ain’t in the position of the Cowboys post-trade.

BuckeyeSam on June 3, 2014 at 11:35 AM

I think the Boston Red Sox trading Babe Ruth to the Yankees is probably a more apt analogy.

Resist We Much on June 3, 2014 at 11:39 AM

The Leftist brain is an amazing animal. So easily duped. So incapable of logical thought. So easily able to hold to two contradictory premises at the same time and then drawing a pre-selected conclusion which they cannot understand was pre-selected for them.

Koch Brothers!

mankai on June 3, 2014 at 11:39 AM

Sorry, “Afghan Bob” is what Resist We Much calls Sr. Bergdahl, so appropriately.

He praised Allah in Pushtu, next to the muzzie smiling with pride obama. I hope they both go to Hell, into the hottest layer, traitors both.

Schadenfreude on June 3, 2014 at 11:39 AM

Waste of time…

BobMbx on June 3, 2014 at 11:30 AM

Yep. Stupid. Industrial strength stupid.

petefrt on June 3, 2014 at 11:39 AM

This trade will go down in history with the trade in which the Dallas Cowboys sent Herschel Walker to the Minnesota Vikings.

Lance Stephenson for the Miami Heat starting five.

cbenoistd on June 3, 2014 at 11:40 AM

Did maddow get a face lift?

VegasRick on June 3, 2014 at 11:32 AM

Who cares. That would be like waxing a turd.

BTW, whe spent nearly an hour last night extolling the virtues of deals like this, and never mentioned the other side of the trade, or the calls of “deserter” from his own unit and the Army writ large.

The complete suspension of disbelief is strong in that one.

BobMbx on June 3, 2014 at 11:40 AM

Keep your terms clear.

Bergdahl Jr. is a defector, not a deserter. It makes a big difference. Don’t let anyone deter you from the truth.

Don’t call the leftists liberals, ever, because they never are. Nor are they progressives, ever.

Schadenfreude on June 3, 2014 at 11:40 AM

In which I (again) respond to a facile distillation of what conservatives supposedly believe from my friend Chris Hayes:

Wait, you consider this guy a friend?

Sorry, Guy, but exactly what the f*ck is wrong with you? I’m not kidding, here – not sure why anyone should give what *you* write or think any greater credence than we do any leftball nutter, considering what apparently passes for discernment and critical thinking on your part, as divulged by your ability to choose those you call ‘friends’.

Midas on June 3, 2014 at 11:40 AM

I watched his show, and it was amazing this guy is so protective of Obama that he can argue that “yes, those 5 prisoners released are responsible for the deaths of thousands in Afghanistan, but they aren’t bad bad.”

And I thought Joe Scarborough was a ‘ho. Seriously, Pajama Boy? It’s not people People, it’s just the Afghans?

Marcus on June 3, 2014 at 11:40 AM

BuckeyeSam on June 3, 2014 at 11:35 AM

More like Frank Robinson for Milt Pappas.

ConstantineXI on June 3, 2014 at 11:40 AM

Ed Schultz…the voice of reason.

Bishop on June 3, 2014 at 11:25 AM

Ed Schultz is the the Helen Keller of reason.

Happy Nomad on June 3, 2014 at 11:40 AM

When you’re dead you don’t know it…

Same thing with being stupid…

PatriotRider on June 3, 2014 at 11:41 AM

The soldiers who had to search for the deserter do have a right to their feelings, and shouldn’t have them white-washed over by the straw-dog conversation about leaving people behind.

This guys next step should be in front of a military tribunal. That’s the only place to get the facts straightened out. There’s more than enough evidence to convene one, and to ignore it is to break faith with the soldiers who died to protect our right to call it.

itsspideyman on June 3, 2014 at 11:41 AM

In which I (again) respond to a facile distillation of what conservatives supposedly believe from my friend Chris Hayes:

Your problem, not mine. But you need to be a little more discerning about the company you keep.

BuckeyeSam on June 3, 2014 at 11:42 AM

He praised Allah in Pushtu, next to the muzzie smiling with pride obama. I hope they both go to Hell, into the hottest layer, traitors both.

Schadenfreude on June 3, 2014 at 11:39 AM

Tali-dad sure shut the hell up quick after Sunday’s praise that his son had helped the Afghan people.

Happy Nomad on June 3, 2014 at 11:42 AM

I think the Boston Red Sox trading Babe Ruth to the Yankees is probably a more apt analogy.

Ruth was sold to the Yankees… but I get the point.

/baseball geek

mankai on June 3, 2014 at 11:42 AM

He’s saying that if the Taliban had asked for KSM or the blind sheikh in return for Bergdahl, whether or not he’s a deserter, that we should have done it. Otherwise we’d be leaving an American behind.

Buddahpundit on June 3, 2014 at 11:29 AM

That will be the price for the next Americans who are kidnapped by Islamists.

Wethal on June 3, 2014 at 11:34 AM

Or, if Bill Ayers gets a parking ticket in Shitcago.

Obama: Hey, Rahm! I’ll release KSM to the Taliban if you would get Bill’s parking ticket fixed.

Emmanuel: No Problem. That’s an absofvckinglutely great idea!

Resist We Much on June 3, 2014 at 11:42 AM

Schadenfreude on June 3, 2014 at 11:40 AM

Thanks Schad, you’re right.

Correcting my previous post:

“The soldiers who had to search for the defector do have a right to their feelings, and shouldn’t have them white-washed over by the straw-dog conversation about leaving people behind.”

itsspideyman on June 3, 2014 at 11:44 AM

I asked yesterday to hear from Hillary.

The Greta and Baier interviews s/b hell for the scumhag.

Today it was made known that she knew about the Bergdahl release.

You know now what the lunch with obama was about last week.

Schadenfreude on June 3, 2014 at 11:45 AM

Bergdahl Jr. is a defector, not a deserter. It makes a big difference. Don’t let anyone deter you from the truth.

Don’t call the leftists liberals, ever, because they never are. Nor are they progressives, ever.

Schadenfreude on June 3, 2014 at 11:40 AM

Anyone who joins “the other side” is a defector. Anyone who leaves the military to do it is a deserter.

UCMJ Art 85.

BobMbx on June 3, 2014 at 11:45 AM

Ruth was sold to the Yankees… but I get the point.

/baseball geek

mankai on June 3, 2014 at 11:42 AM

I stand corrected.

I bet you can tell us how many years the Red Sox went without a World Series championship after they sold Ruth, who had led them to a couple of championships. I was going to look it up for my post, but didn’t feel like it. Like you, I’m sure most got my point.

Resist We Much on June 3, 2014 at 11:45 AM

It speaks volumes about how cogent and valid an argument offered is, when it is based entirely on strawmen and moral equivalency fallacies….

Athos on June 3, 2014 at 11:45 AM

Tali-dad sure shut the hell up quick after Sunday’s praise that his son had helped the Afghan people.

Happy Nomad on June 3, 2014 at 11:42 AM

I hope few show up for the June 28 ‘celebration’. The good people of his town didn’t know about his past.

Some of us have known since day one. Read this.

Schadenfreude on June 3, 2014 at 11:46 AM

AP: Hagel met with silence when he told troops in Bagram hangar: “This is a happy day. We got one of our own back.”

See, the challenge here is that Bergdahl may be a kindred spirit and one of Obama/Hagel’s “own”, he is *not* one of the Bagram troops’ “own”.

Midas on June 3, 2014 at 11:47 AM

Anyone who joins “the other side” is a defector. Anyone who leaves the military to do it is a deserter.

UCMJ Art 85.

BobMbx on June 3, 2014 at 11:45 AM

Yes, Sir. H/t to VorDaj, who made the distinction yesterday morning, for the good of all. Please utilize it, clearly. It was mentioned on Fox today, by Byron York. He said it even makes a big difference should Bergdahl be court-marshaled.

Schadenfreude on June 3, 2014 at 11:49 AM

I think the Boston Red Sox trading Babe Ruth to the Yankees is probably a more apt analogy.

Resist We Much on June 3, 2014 at 11:39 AM

Bad trade. But give me the name of the hacks whom the Red Sox received. Indeed, didn’t the Red Sox simply sell him to the Yankees?

Sorry, I’m not seeing the analogy. I don’t doubt there might be a better analogy, but it’s not yours. In mine, Walker was an extraordinary college player, but a mediocre pro. The Vikings should have seen that from the films. Yet they traded away their future for him.

BuckeyeSam on June 3, 2014 at 11:50 AM

Yes they should have left his sorry ass right there, and if there was any evidence that he was collaborating with the enemy, they should’ve sent him greetings by drone. Period.

n0doz on June 3, 2014 at 11:50 AM

Chris Hayes must be another graduate of the prestigious Strawman Institute.

can_con on June 3, 2014 at 11:51 AM

Neither Hayes nor Schulz seem worth the time….it’s just not a challenge to dismantle their “arguments.”

On the other hand, the “don’t rush to judgement” arguments of people like Fournier seem worth the time..

anyway…I just have a tough time worrying about what these two say…it’s not as though anyone who follows them on Twitter is going to change their minds because they are shown to be empty-headed…

that’s part of what it is to be so intellectually bankrupt — genuine analytical thinking just doesn’t make a dent…

EastofEden on June 3, 2014 at 11:51 AM

Where are all the leftist azzholes from yesterday “wait until we find out the facts”, as if we don’t know the facts.

obama has known the facts since day one too, and didn’t go for freeing the guy, because he knew the facts.

The Rice/Carney stories are all fabricated, but have totally backfired.

This will be obama’s legacy, that he aided the terrorists.

However, America deserves him/this and this will be America’s legacy, that she brung a treasonous president, twice, so shortly after 9/11/01.

America and the world fully deserve the self-made destruction.

Schadenfreude on June 3, 2014 at 11:52 AM

According to an Instapundit link, Hillary is now backing off a bit and saying we have to wait until “all the facts” are out.

And I bet she’s furious that Obama bungled this. Kind of like Algore being ticked that Bubba got caught with his pants down, making Algore’s presidential run harder. Karma. It’s what’s for dinner.

Wethal on June 3, 2014 at 11:52 AM

******* Superiority Super Smart StateCraft Power **********

Mark Knoller @markknoller · 2h

POTUS conceded

released detainees might return to terrorism against US,

but he defended release to obtain Bergdahl’s freedom.

canopfor on June 3, 2014 at 11:32 AM

canopfor on June 3, 2014 at 11:52 AM

The question is: what is the United States responsibility if a member of the military voluntarily gives himself up to the enemy, as Bergdahl apparently did?

bw222 on June 3, 2014 at 11:54 AM

Guy Benson @guypbenson
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.@chrislhayes also, was this done legally (re: NDAA)? What are these “security assurances” re: the guys we just released?
6:56 PM – 2 Jun 2014
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Retweeted by Matt Lee
Zeke Miller @ZekeJMiller · 3h

Statement by NSC Spokesperson Caitlin Hayden on the NDAA and the Transfer of Taliban Detainees from Guantanamo

https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/473788371580755968/photo/1

canopfor on June 3, 2014 at 10:55 AM

canopfor on June 3, 2014 at 11:54 AM

.@chrislhayes Almost none of the critics are arguing that we should’ve left him behind. Most have expressed empathy & relief for the family

— Guy Benson (@guypbenson) June 2, 2014

A deserter isn’t “left behind”. He chose to go be with the enemy.

As to the America-hating Indonesian Retard and his useless leftist tools, if a stand down order to watch, live, as our consulate is overrun and Americans needlessly die in Benghazi (well … they needed to die for Barky and the left’s political machinations) then they ought to be able to understand a legitimate stand down order not to risk honorable Americans in order to retrieve someone who chose to go hang with the Taliban and be a traitor, let alone the insane and illegal trade for the dirtbag.

Then again, leftists are all traitors so their empathy for Bergdahl is entirely understandable. They should all hold a big flag burning ceremony when he touches down. They can take a dump on a few cars in the street, too. Those wacky leftists …

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 3, 2014 at 11:55 AM

Mark Knoller @markknoller · 3h

WH/NSC bottom line: “the Secretary of Defense’s failure to provide 30 days’ notice under Section 1035(d) was lawful.” —–

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Mark Knoller @markknoller · 3h

“The Secretary of Defense…determined that providing notice as specified in the statute could endanger the (Bergdahl’s) life,” said NSC.

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Mark Knoller @markknoller · 3h

NSC says it was “construed” the notice provision did not apply to the case of obtained the release of “a captive U.S. soldier.”

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Mark Knoller @markknoller · 3h

NSC cites provision in law permitting Defense Secretary to circumvent the 30-day notice requirement under certain conditions.

canopfor on June 3, 2014 at 11:56 AM

I’m just glad Guy Benson schooled Chris Hayes! Now only a few more million progtard memes to destroy.

chris0christies0donut on June 3, 2014 at 11:56 AM

Most have expressed empathy & relief for the family

— Guy Benson (@guypbenson) June 2, 2014

I think you meant “sympathy” – you don’t express empathy, you express sympathy – but … no. His family are a bunch of dirtballs.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 3, 2014 at 11:57 AM

him being your friend says a lot about you.

dmacleo on June 3, 2014 at 11:57 AM

Mark Knoller @markknoller · 3h

NSC says it was “construed” the notice provision did not apply to the case of obtained the release of “a captive U.S. soldier.”

canopfor on June 3, 2014 at 11:56 AM

“That depends on what the definition of ‘is’ is.”

-Bill Clinton in deposition.

Wethal on June 3, 2014 at 11:58 AM

The question is: what is the United States responsibility if a member of the military voluntarily gives himself up to the enemy, as Bergdahl apparently did?

bw222 on June 3, 2014 at 11:54 AM

Being put on Barky’s kill list and a drone hit? Oh … that was so last year …

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 3, 2014 at 11:58 AM

Snowden better cut a deal fast, if he wants to come in from the cold. If he’s a whistleblower who didn’t get anybody killed, then he could use this uproar to his advantage.

Christien on June 3, 2014 at 11:59 AM

The Greta and Baier interviews s/b hell for the scumhag.

Schadenfreude on June 3, 2014 at 11:45 AM

Don’t count on that.

chris0christies0donut on June 3, 2014 at 11:59 AM

I think in addition to the Gitmo prisoners, the US paid a $$$ ransom…

PatriotRider on June 3, 2014 at 11:59 AM

US Army Sgt. Bergdahl freed
40s
Landstuhl Regional Medical Center in Germany says Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl’s timeline for release will ‘continue to be based on the pace of his healing and reintegration process’ – statement via @NBCNews

canopfor on June 3, 2014 at 12:00 PM

I think the Boston Red Sox trading Babe Ruth to the Yankees is probably a more apt analogy.

Brock for Broglio is a better example. It appears Kinzler for Fielder may be more of the same.

bw222 on June 3, 2014 at 12:03 PM

Gold Star mom: ‘This guy was worth my son’s life?’

Exactly.

Resist We Much on June 3, 2014 at 11:50 AM

Soldier moms only count when their last name is Sheehan.

Bishop on June 3, 2014 at 12:03 PM

The West Wing has a preferred, authorized distillation of the president’s foreign-policy doctrine: “Don’t do stupid shi*t.”

Don’t do stupid shirt?

Don’t do stupid shift?

bmmg39 on June 3, 2014 at 12:03 PM

I bet everyone there knew through the military grapevine in Afghanistan that the military had long since concluded Bergdahl deserted. Thus, he could not be “one of us,” and to say so insulted every one of the soldiers there.

Wethal on June 3, 2014 at 11:32 AM

The Bergdahl desertion has been an open secret in the military community since he deserted.

melle1228 on June 3, 2014 at 12:03 PM

The West Wing has a preferred, authorized distillation of the president’s foreign-policy doctrine: “Don’t do stupid shi*t.”
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…….“Don’t Do Stupid Shit”!!

Retweeted by Edward-Isaac Dovere
Mike Allen @mikeallen · 8h
playbook: how the salty/spicy new West Wing phrase for the Obama Doctrine wound up in the @NYTimes 3 times in 4 days http://goo.gl/uUS2tm
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By MIKE ALLEN | 06/01/14 1:08 PM EDT
Welcome to June. BEHIND THE CURTAIN: For those pining for an Obama Doctrine victory for the president,
here it is: “Don’t Do Stupid Shit.”

Playbook rarely prints a four-letter word — our nephews are loyal readers. But we are, in this case, because that is the precise phrase President Obama and his aides are using in their off-the-record chats with journalists.

If the aim was to get this phrase in circulation to define the Obama doctrine, mission accomplished!

It appeared in the L.A. Times at the end of Obama’s Asia trip this spring, was reprised in the lead story of Thursday’s New York Times, and is used TWICE in today’s NYT — once in the news columns, and once in a column by Tom Friedman, who was part of an off-the-record roundtable with Obama on Tuesday:
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http://www.politico.com/playbook/0614/playbook14123.html

canopfor on June 1, 2014 at 9:59 PM

canopfor on June 3, 2014 at 11:30 AM

canopfor on June 3, 2014 at 12:04 PM

Why not a word from Boehner? Isn’t that peculiar?

Schadenfreude on June 3, 2014 at 12:04 PM

I think in addition to the Gitmo prisoners, the US paid a $$$ ransom…

PatriotRider on June 3, 2014 at 11:59 AM

The US probably also agreed to throw in a “terrorist to be named later.”

bw222 on June 3, 2014 at 12:05 PM

Waste of time, Guy.

Hayes is nothing more than a herald for the WH, and most assuredly believes that if Obama did it (whatever “it” may be), it can only be good and right.

BobMbx on June 3, 2014 at 11:30 AM

Remember that when you correct someone online (or in social media, though I am not really present there), you do so not necessarily for the education of the person you’re correcting, but moreso for other people who may be watching, reading, or listening.

bmmg39 on June 3, 2014 at 12:05 PM

Meanwhile a truly innocent American soldier languishes in a Mexican jail. Also what about Benghazi? Weren’t those Americans worth saving?

neyney on June 3, 2014 at 12:06 PM

Hmmmmm,..on Hopey’s Watch,….Hmmmmmm,…his Foreign Policy:

Syrian civil war
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Former US Ambassador to Syria Robert Ford: I could no longer ‘defend the American policy’ – @*NN
Read more on blogs.*nn.com

canopfor on June 3, 2014 at 12:06 PM

MSNBC host: So conservatives are basically arguing we should have left an American soldier behind, huh?
posted at 11:21 am on June 3, 2014 by Guy Benson

Guy – I think the argument is, as it so often is:
‘Obama!’.
As the NY Times makes clear in their article today, Republican strategists are managing the soldiers who are making themselves available to comment negatively on Bergdahl and the negotiations that brought about his safe return.
Your responses to Hayes are the ‘just asking questions’ argument.
So not really one at all.
Most certainly there is an argument being made that he should have been left where he was – and that no actions should’ve been taken.
If you’re missing the invective and animus directed at Bergdahl that continues to build in the echo chamber of the right, maybe less tweeting and more reading.

verbaluce on June 3, 2014 at 12:06 PM

ucmj article 104 (death sentence) applies here too.
http://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/ucmj/blart-104.htm

Any person who–

(1) aids, or attempts to aid, the enemy with arms, ammunition, supplies, money, or other things; or

(2) without proper authority, knowingly harbors or protects or gives intelligence to or communicates or corresponds with or holds any intercourse with the enemy, either directly or indirectly;

this is the one that was generally (when I was in) used for defection. or at least thats what the training manuals said.

so we have an article 85 (which includes lesser offense of UA/AWOL) and article 104 person here.

dmacleo on June 3, 2014 at 12:07 PM

Form viewing the results of Obama’s so called foreign policy it should be “Always do stupid sh*t.”

jukin3 on June 3, 2014 at 12:07 PM

Why not a word from Boehner? Isn’t that peculiar?

Schadenfreude on June 3, 2014 at 12:04 PM

Nope, because he doesn’t want to get tarred with this. He might actually have to do something if he concedes that the Bergdahl trade was illegal, and that it sacrificed national security and other soldier’s lives.

melle1228 on June 3, 2014 at 12:09 PM

I hope you all enjoy your 72 virgins, when you meet them.

Schadenfreude on June 3, 2014 at 11:37 AM

Oh, I’m sure they will!!!

climbnjump on June 3, 2014 at 12:11 PM

Tali-dad sure shut the hell up quick after Sunday’s praise that his son had helped the Afghan people.

Happy Nomad on June 3, 2014 at 11:42 AM

He will find out what Mother Sheehan did. Once you are no longer useful to the left, it’s down the memory hole.

Wethal on June 3, 2014 at 12:14 PM

I think this can be characterized as: Never make an honest attempt to understand your opponent and just mischaracterize them in an inflammatory way to get an emotional response and begin with a win.

That is ALL we ever get from the Leftists and it is dishonest in every way, shape and form.

ajacksonian on June 3, 2014 at 12:14 PM

That woman is a dolt

PJ Emeritus on June 3, 2014 at 12:15 PM

Can anyone tell me when Obama’s foreign policy turned out not to be stupid sh*t?

Bueller, Bueller..

jukin3 on June 3, 2014 at 12:15 PM

I can’t tell Chris Hayes and Rachel Maddow apart.

John the Libertarian on June 3, 2014 at 12:17 PM

Bergdahl be court-marshaled martialed.

Schadenfreude on June 3, 2014 at 12:18 PM

Hehe, the kid asked a question with no idea as to what the responses would be.

Familiarize yourself with the opposing arguments before putting yourself out there like that, Chris. Especially on an issue as lopsided as this. Your guy botched this badly.

forest on June 3, 2014 at 12:20 PM

The Left has never understood honor, integrity, or the real world. Their vapid arguments and “concerns” reveal this.

Aardvark on June 3, 2014 at 12:23 PM

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