MSNBC host: So conservatives are basically arguing we should have left an American soldier behind, huh?

posted at 11:21 am on June 3, 2014 by Guy Benson

In which I (again) respond to a facile distillation of what conservatives supposedly believe from my friend Chris Hayes:

Hayes responded to my virtual head shake by asking what the “actual argument” was, evidently unaware of the objections critics have mounted against the Bergdahl trade — beyond an irrational, nihilistic hatred of the president and/or the troops, that is.  I replied with a rapid-fire series of tweets elucidating a handful of legitimate concerns that have been raised, concluding with a (perhaps needlessly personal) jab that may have discouraged him from continuing our exchange:

Twitchy rounded up other reactions to the original tweet here.  I might have emphasized further that it’s been Bergdahl’s former brothers in arms who’ve taken the lead in assailing the deal and hammering him, understandably so.  The mounting evidence that he was a deserter, if not something worse, has also attracted the attention of media outlets far beyond the usual precincts of the “American right-wing.”  It’s drawn the ire of Gold Star parents who lost a son in the search for Bergdahl, the details of which they allege were obscured by the military.  Beyond that, Democratic Senator Dianne Feinstein has criticized the White House for failing to consult Congress on this decision within the required time frame, a move several liberal legal experts have conceded was flatly unlawful.  Hell, just last year, Jay Carney explicitly acknowledged that no potential Bergdahl-related detainee transfers could take place without the consultation Congress, “in accordance with US law.”  Well then.  I’ll leave you with these three items, which speak for themselves:

And this Politico story was published on Sunday:

Forget The New Yorker’s “leading from behind,” and even President Barack Obama’s own “singles … doubles.” The West Wing has a preferred, authorized distillation of the president’s foreign-policy doctrine: “Don’t do stupid shi*t.” The phrase has appeared in The New York Times three times in the past four days. So, if the White House’s aim was to get the phrase in circulation, mission accomplished! The phrase – as “Don’t do stupid stuff,” with a demure disclaimer that the actual wording was saltier and spicier than “stuff” — appeared in the Los Angeles Times at the end of Obama’s Asia trip this spring, was reprised in the lead story of Thursday’s New York Times.

Smart power.


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Galtian on June 3, 2014 at 12:24 PM

if obama was diemboweling puppies on live tv
the msnbc cult would say its a wonderful biology lesson

sniffles1999 on June 3, 2014 at 12:25 PM

a deserter is a lot differnet from having one of our men caaptured by the enemy

this low life walked out the front gate to join his muzzie buddies.

sniffles1999 on June 3, 2014 at 12:26 PM

Top. Men.

t on June 3, 2014 at 12:28 PM

#BuckFarack

Nutstuyu on June 3, 2014 at 12:31 PM

a deserter is a lot differnet from having one of our men caaptured by the enemy

sniffles1999 on June 3, 2014 at 12:26 PM

A deserter, in wartime, should be shot in the back and allowed to bleed to death. Afterwards, treat them like road kill.

Deserters make a choice, and its one you cannot take back.

BobMbx on June 3, 2014 at 12:32 PM

MSNBC host: So conservatives are basically arguing we should have left an American soldier behind, huh?

That is not the argument being made but it is what the Obama dog washers at MSDNC want people to believe. It is the narrative they want to replace the craptastic story of the VA with.

It doesn’t seem to be working because people are not as stupid as progs like to think they are.

Dude! Why are we discussing something that happened 5 years ago? Or something.

tkc882 on June 3, 2014 at 12:34 PM

We should get our Marine down in Mexico back before World Cup starts. Mexico owes us for Brazil, and Lurch should milk any goodwill from that yesterday.

Christien on June 3, 2014 at 12:35 PM

I hope you all enjoy your 72 virgins, when you meet them.
Schadenfreude on June 3, 2014 at 11:37 AM

No thanks. Those burkas cause horrid BO and make them forget to shave in key places.

Nutstuyu on June 3, 2014 at 12:37 PM

Chris Hayes … man, that is one soft looking -yet always outraged- little ferret. I wonder how many times a week he has to choke down the urge to just lambaste somebody with his purse.

M240H on June 3, 2014 at 12:37 PM

I think the Boston Red Sox trading Babe Ruth to the Yankees is probably a more apt analogy.

Ruth was sold to the Yankees… but I get the point.

/baseball geek

mankai on June 3, 2014 at 11:42 AM

Yep, the Babe was sold so that the Red Sox owner at the time could finance…a Broadway play. Ironically, after his years with the Yankees Ruth actually came back to Boston and finished his career with the Boston Braves. But he didn’t even last out the full season, quitting in early June. By then he had trouble just running the bases after hitting a home run.

Worst trade the Boston Red Sox ever made with the Yankees? Ace relief pitcher Sparky Lyle for journeyman first baseman Danny Cater, 1972.

Del Dolemonte on June 3, 2014 at 12:37 PM

So conservatives are basically arguing we should have left an American soldier behind, huh?

No pajamaboy – we should be leaving the deserter with the foreign enemy he chose to join – and get him in the next drone strike.

dentarthurdent on June 3, 2014 at 12:39 PM

Report: Bergdahl Renounced His Citizenship…

Jenna Lee @Jennafnc

Great reporting from @JenGriffinFNC – new report: Bergdahl left behind a note renouncing American citizenship…developing…

11:43 AM – 3 June 2014

Oh.

My.

Resist We Much on June 3, 2014 at 12:45 PM

Doncha just love The Left’s ability to erect strawmen?

307wolverine on June 3, 2014 at 12:45 PM

Perhaps Obama’s chickens are finally coming home… to roost.

kingsjester on June 3, 2014 at 12:56 PM

Great reporting from @JenGriffinFNC – new report: Bergdahl left behind a note renouncing American citizenship…developing…

11:43 AM – 3 June 2014

Oh.

My.

Resist We Much on June 3, 2014 at 12:45 PM

Typical Barky operation. Every time you think it couldn’t get any dumber or worse …

Still, Barky has nothing to fear from the Vichy GOP doing anything or the media letting this stay in the headlines too long. There’s another “scandal” waiting for release, as we speak, I’m sure. This will all be old news in a couple of weeks. Nothing to see.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 3, 2014 at 1:00 PM

So conservatives are basically arguing we should have left an American soldier behind, huh?

No pajamaboy – we should be leaving the deserter with the foreign enemy he chose to join – and get him in the next drone strike.

dentarthurdent on June 3, 2014 at 12:39 PM

Great post and ditto to that!

cajunpatriot on June 3, 2014 at 1:02 PM

Frankly, I can’t figure out why anyone watches this Maddow women on the thread photo.

Bmore on June 3, 2014 at 1:09 PM

…someone should get his tongue snipped…just like his nuts!

KOOLAID2 on June 3, 2014 at 1:09 PM

Doncha just love The Left’s ability to erect strawmen?

307wolverine on June 3, 2014 at 12:45 PM

Everything is a strawman erection to the left….

dentarthurdent on June 3, 2014 at 1:10 PM

Be sure to watch Brad Thor on the Kelley Files tonight.

Schadenfreude on June 3, 2014 at 1:12 PM

Has Harry Reid blamed the Koch brothers yet?

Where is our little “your brain on Koch” troll, anyway?

Wethal on June 3, 2014 at 1:15 PM

No,conservatives are arguing the soldier left his country behind.Were you that concerned about an American Ambassador and three American heroes that didn’t desert their country.If this incident doesn’t prove once and for all that Barack Obama is an anti-American SOB, I don’t know what it will take!

redware on June 3, 2014 at 1:15 PM

We did not leave him behind, he left US behind when he deserted.

SpudmanWP on June 3, 2014 at 1:20 PM

First of little man, he was, and is not, an American soldier. He defected. He went AWOL. Second,you little puzzy, your butt buddy just left an American ambassador, and soldiers to die in Benghazi. What have you to say about that? You let American soldiers die because of Fast & Furious. Obama is clearly on the enemies side. He just released 5 Taliban murderers because he is in bed with terrorists. He should be given the death penalty for this, and everything else he has done.

F_This on June 3, 2014 at 1:21 PM

I hope you all enjoy your 72 virgins, when you meet them.
Schadenfreude on June 3, 2014 at 11:37 AM

And enjoy your 72 mothers-in-law, while you are at it!

Maddie on June 3, 2014 at 1:27 PM

Chris Hayes … man, that is one soft looking -yet always outraged- little ferret. I wonder how many times a week he has to choke down the urge to just lambaste somebody with his purse.

M240H on June 3, 2014 at 12:37 PM

Wasn’t this the guy that smuggled weed into the RNC?

Maddie on June 3, 2014 at 1:28 PM

To misquote “Dumb & Dumber”:

Obama, just when I think you couldn’t get any dumber, you go and do something like this….AND TOTALLY REDEEM YOUR CRITICS!!!

Gal_Spunes on June 3, 2014 at 1:31 PM

Do lefties oversimplify because complex ideas and sequences of events confuse them or because it’s a cheap and easy rhetorical tactic?

jangle12 on June 3, 2014 at 1:33 PM

First of little man, he was, and is not, an American soldier. He defected. He went AWOL. Second,you little puzzy, your butt buddy just left an American ambassador, and soldiers to die in Benghazi. What have you to say about that? You let American soldiers die because of Fast & Furious. Obama is clearly on the enemies side. He just released 5 Taliban murderers because he is in bed with terrorists. He should be given the death penalty for this, and everything else he has done.

F_This on June 3, 2014 at 1:21 PM

He is an American soldier. I don’t care about Benghazi or the people who died there.

jim56 on June 3, 2014 at 1:36 PM

I look at Hayes and can’t stop myself from think how great he’d be playing the lead female role in “The Scarlett Letter”. He looks feminine enough to carry off wearing period dresses and has the displaced sense of confusion that is perfect for the role.

MTF on June 3, 2014 at 1:37 PM

Not quite . . . we need to return him to military custody where he can be tried, convicted and jailed. But that’s the only reason we should recover his traitorous butt.

rplat on June 3, 2014 at 1:47 PM

Do lefties oversimplify because complex ideas and sequences of events confuse them or because it’s a cheap and easy rhetorical tactic?

jangle12 on June 3, 2014 at 1:33 PM

Yes.

Maddie on June 3, 2014 at 1:47 PM

He is an American soldier. I don’t care about Benghazi or the people who died there.

jim56 on June 3, 2014 at 1:36 PM

Of course not, because you are a despot-loving Socialist who hates everything for which America stands.

We expect nothing else from you.

Maddie on June 3, 2014 at 1:50 PM

…America and the world fully deserve the self-made destruction.

Schadenfreude on June 3, 2014 at 11:52 AM

I agree with everything you wrote before that last line.

rlwo2008 on June 3, 2014 at 1:53 PM

Any one else see the resemblance between Hayes and Ellen DeGeneres?

Rightyismighty on June 3, 2014 at 1:53 PM

Any one else see the resemblance between Hayes and Ellen DeGeneres?

Rightyismighty on June 3, 2014 at 1:53 PM

The only resemblance I see with Hayes is between Hayes and the hind quarters of the Democrat Party mascot….

Athos on June 3, 2014 at 1:57 PM

jim56 on June 3, 2014 at 1:36 PM

Though it does appear he renounced his soldiering and citizenship. If so, it appears he actually wasn’t.

Zomcon JEM on June 3, 2014 at 1:59 PM

Several posters have called Obama dumb. He isn’t dumb. He is doing what he wants.

alanstern on June 3, 2014 at 2:01 PM

Who exactly is arguing that we should have left him behind? Looks like the same team who actually left people behind in Benghazi. Getting a prisoner back (even to prosecute them for desertion or AWOL) is a positive but making a colossally stupid trade is just that: colossally stupid. Not to mention dangerous.

ghostwalker1 on June 3, 2014 at 2:02 PM

jim56 on June 3, 2014 at 1:36 PM

Though it does appear he renounced his soldiering and citizenship. If so, it appears he actually wasn’t.

Zomcon JEM on June 3, 2014 at 1:59 PM

You are still a US Soldier if you desert. You are just subject to significant penalties.

And he couldn’t formally renounce his citizenship with just a note and have it be effective.

jim56 on June 3, 2014 at 2:11 PM

Any one else see the resemblance between Hayes and Ellen DeGeneres?

Rightyismighty on June 3, 2014 at 1:53 PM

No. And I really don’t care about the appearance of Hayes, or Maddow, or Farrow. Nor do I care about how heavy Christie is or Rush Limbaugh was, or Michael Moore’s weight, or Hillary’s pantsuits, or somebody’s red pajamas, or the size of any man or woman’s breasts or genitalia. Stupid statements made by these people are what I’m criticizing.

bmmg39 on June 3, 2014 at 2:11 PM

I think that Raymond Madcow fellow (gal?) is a tad less ugly without the wannabe-smart-looking reading spectacles.

Augustinian on June 3, 2014 at 2:25 PM

my issues with the trade are

1 – why would you trade 5 majors? generals? for 1 private.
2 – why does this kid need “re-integration” time? No pics, no video…

of course, the timing is always suspect. What, the VA, we got people on that… that was like two weeks ago dude…

Keith_Indy on June 3, 2014 at 2:29 PM

I don’t care about Benghazi or the people who died there.

jim56 on June 3, 2014 at 1:36 PM

You and Hillary both….

dentarthurdent on June 3, 2014 at 2:44 PM

Any one else see the resemblance between Hayes and Ellen DeGeneres?

Rightyismighty on June 3, 2014 at 1:53 PM

No. Ellen is better looking – and a bit more manly…..

dentarthurdent on June 3, 2014 at 2:44 PM

Great reporting from @JenGriffinFNC – new report: Bergdahl left behind a note renouncing American citizenship…developing…

11:43 AM – 3 June 2014

WTF!

Are we now practicing stoner foreign policy?

Can we get a stat tox screen on Obama to see if he is still partaking in mind altering substances?

Will the next announcement be:

“Dude, I totally figured out how to close Gitmo! We’ll do a prisoner exchange-we’ll release five Gitmo detainees for every Gitmo detainee we release until they’re all gone! Problem solved.”?

talkingpoints on June 3, 2014 at 2:56 PM

If MSNBC doesn’t have intellectual dishonesty, they have nothing.

MrBobSugar on June 3, 2014 at 3:01 PM

You are still a US Soldier if you desert. You are just subject to significant penalties.

And he couldn’t formally renounce his citizenship with just a note and have it be effective.

jim56 on June 3, 2014 at 2:11 PM

So, best case-we released five dangerous men who will likely commit future murders in exchange for a deserter who tried to renounce his American citizenship but failed.

Good plan.

Obama’s doing just as well with this as he has with

Jobs

Health Care

The economy

The VA

etc.

Other than taking lots of vacations, doing lots of fundraising on the taxpayer dime, and getting in record amounts of golf, is there a single thing he has done with competence?

talkingpoints on June 3, 2014 at 3:01 PM

Come on, it’s MSNBC. You didn’t really expect intelligent comment, did you?

GarandFan on June 3, 2014 at 3:01 PM

.@chrislhayes Almost none of the critics are arguing that we should’ve left him behind. Most have expressed empathy & relief for the family

Let me be one of the first…we should have left him as a drone target and to hell with the Taliban loving dad. I don’t empathize with terrorists.

cajunpatriot on June 3, 2014 at 3:08 PM

im56 on June 3, 2014 at 2:11 PM

No, but it does indicate an intent to join the enemy. If this is the case, I would suggest that he is no longer a soldier, but potentially a traitor – in which case I wouldn’t mind training terrorists to get him back – try him – and if found guilty see that the appropriate punishment is meted out to him.

Zomcon JEM on June 3, 2014 at 3:18 PM


No, but it does indicate an intent to join the enemy. If this is the case, I would suggest that he is no longer a soldier, but potentially a traitor – in which case I wouldn’t mind training terrorists to get him back – try him – and if found guilty see that the appropriate punishment is meted out to him.

Zomcon JEM on June 3, 2014 at 3:18 PM

Too early to know, but I doubt he’ll be found to have committed treason. That’s defined in the US Constitution and required two eyewitnesses to the particular act, which doesn’t look to have happened here:

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

jim56 on June 3, 2014 at 3:30 PM

I defend Hotair’s choice of bloggers from our goofier commenters when they suggest this is a RINO pasture. Allah especially, but also Ed and even Jazz, who can cause heartburn with his squishiness.

The one writer I cannot stomach is this RINO jackass Benson. And there is no simpler proof than his association with transgendered liberal nitwit “Chris” Hayes. By elevating his stature from journalistic amoeba to worthy opponent and friend, Guy reveals himself. Go away, douchebag.

Jaibones on June 3, 2014 at 3:35 PM

State Dept’s Jen Psaki Loses It: Bergdahl Is “Marine Taken In Combat”, #MarineHeldInMexico Is “Individual” Accused Of “Breaking Law”

So, so, so much wrong with this.

Resist We Much on June 3, 2014 at 12:21 PM

New trade proposal-

Psaki for MarineHeldInMexicoWhoseNameICannotSpell.

talkingpoints on June 3, 2014 at 3:37 PM

Are we now practicing stoner foreign policy?

talkingpoints on June 3, 2014 at 2:56 PM

Well, ya – and domestic and economic policy – for the last 5 years…..

dentarthurdent on June 3, 2014 at 3:40 PM

Bergdahl is NOT an American soldier, he is an American deserter.

Another Drew on June 3, 2014 at 4:15 PM

Chris Hayes and Guy Benson. Same guy really. Talking heads yak yak yak.

JQA on June 3, 2014 at 5:05 PM

Other than taking lots of vacations, doing lots of fundraising on the taxpayer dime, and getting in record amounts of golf, is there a single thing he has done with competence?

talkingpoints on June 3, 2014 at 3:01 PM

He’s healed the planet and stopped the oceans from rising. D’uh!

307wolverine on June 3, 2014 at 5:07 PM

chris hayes…wussie boy/pajama boy…when did you serve genius…you don’t turn your back on your brothers/sisters in arms you jerk….if he liked the muslims so much we should have left him there, he was no longer one of ours…..

crosshugger on June 3, 2014 at 5:14 PM

Any person who–

(1) aids, or attempts to aid, the enemy with arms, ammunition, supplies, money, or other things; or

(2) without proper authority, knowingly harbors or protects or gives intelligence to or communicates or corresponds with or holds any intercourse with the enemy, either directly or indirectly;

Obama aided the Taliban by releasing these top generals back into their ranks in exchange for one individual who 1) deserted, 2) renounced his US citizenship and 3) colluded with the enemy. It is a shame that Obama (Commander in Chief) is NOT subject to the UCMJ, because he did aid (and collude with) the Taliban to release 5 of their best warfighters back to them.

Hammie on June 3, 2014 at 5:51 PM

If they can play this game I can too.

Do the whackos on the left think that any price should be paid to get one ours back?

CW on June 3, 2014 at 5:51 PM

Doc Zero has a couple of brilliant essays summarizing this clusterfark to date, but the points relevant to this thread are:

Evidently Team Obama thought all of those considerations were either irrelevant, or bait for the political bear trap they were trying to set for Republicans. … It occurs to me that one reason this scandal is turning into a mushroom cloud so quickly is that all of the Obama talking points were written to cast objections as nothing but ankle-biting from Republicans… but military personnel and their families have been among the first and strongest critics. That leaves Obama’s talking-points robots dispensing obsolete political snipes that hit the military community like insulting slaps to the face, sound irrelevant to those who have tough questions about the wisdom of letting those Gitmo detainees go, and pique the interest of reporters who can clearly see the Administration’s stories don’t line up.

AesopFan on June 3, 2014 at 10:59 PM

“Don’t do stupid stuff.”
Amazing how quickly that foreign policy fell apart. Since this was supposed to be the pivot point away from the mess at the VA, where do we pivot now?

geezerintraining on June 4, 2014 at 2:02 PM

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