Liberal Austin homeowners surprised to find they have to pay all the taxes they voted for

posted at 9:31 pm on June 2, 2014 by Mary Katharine Ham

NIMBY, literally.

“I’m at the breaking point,” said Gretchen Gardner, an Austin artist who bought a 1930s bungalow in the Bouldin neighborhood just south of downtown in 1991 and has watched her property tax bill soar to $8,500 this year.

“It’s not because I don’t like paying taxes,” said Gardner, who attended both meetings. “I have voted for every park, every library, all the school improvements, for light rail, for anything that will make this city better. But now I can’t afford to live here anymore. I’ll protest my appraisal notice, but that’s not enough. Someone needs to step in and address the big picture.”

I’m really just bringing this to your attention for this quote alone. Voting and paying are different endeavors entirely. Often, when one has to pay for the things one has voted to fund, that decision becomes less flippant. This is a comment, less on the specifics of Texas’ or Austin’s tax system than the blaring disconnect between liberals in Austin who are voting for higher taxes and the actual paying of the taxes. Which, as it turns out, is painful, discouraging, and can be a detriment to the fabric of the city.

The Texas Public Policy Foundation offers this on the complexity and salience of Texas property taxes:

In Texas, there are more than 3,900 localities that impose property taxes, including school districts, counties, and special districts. Texas’ property tax burden has grown from approximately 1 percent of value in the early 1980s to nearly 3 percent today.

The rising burden from property tax is worse for the housing-rich but income-poor elderly homeowners. For example, elderly homeowners tend to move more often to reduce their property tax burden, which is an additional cost of owning a home for those who can least afford to move.

Interestingly, another reason voters hate property taxes is because they are more “salient.” A salient tax means that the burden is transparent, easy to understand, and hard to avoid. If paid directly, property taxes are found to be more salient compared with sales taxes applied at checkout or income taxes withheld from a paycheck.

In 2012, the free-market think tank suggested swapping the local property tax for a sales tax:

New research suggests that if Texas eliminates its local property tax system, ranked as the 14th most oppressive in the nation, and instead replaces those lost revenues with an adjusted sales tax, then the ensuing flood of capital investment and business activity could ignite the Texas economy for years to come.

That’s right, just by changing how Texas governments collect public dollars—but not how much they spend—the Legislature can give the economy and people’s wallets a major boost.

By how much, you ask? Our estimates suggest quite a bit.

Either way, I don’t think Gretchen Gardner is ever going to make the connection between her voting pattern and her bill.


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Yeah, I never vote yes for anything that could raise my taxes.
I do have kids but throwing money at schools won’t make them any smarter.

redguy on June 3, 2014 at 12:15 AM

Property taxes are not that cheap even out here in the sticks in East Texas.

But, the people that bought our old place in California were going to be paying about $650 a month in property taxes. Add in 11% state income tax, 9.5% sales tax, several hundred dollars a year in vehicle license fees per vehicle, an extra 50 cents a gallon for gas over what we pay out here, and other assorted fees and taxes, and, it’s not all that bad.

Nope. Can’t really complain. Plus, we got about twice the house, in a nice, quite forest, for about 40% of what our lesser house in California sold for.

trigon on June 3, 2014 at 12:19 AM

In 2012, the free-market think tank suggested swapping the local property tax for a sales tax:

No!!!!!!!!!!

When you read this…

Interestingly, another reason voters hate property taxes is because they are more “salient.” A salient tax means that the burden is transparent, easy to understand, and hard to avoid. If paid directly, property taxes are found to be more salient compared with sales taxes applied at checkout or income taxes withheld from a paycheck.

Logic says Conservatives should avoid sales taxes and income taxes and keep the property taxes. If the tax revenue is generated mostly that way the stupid women of this world, like Gretchen Gardner, might actually notice that you can’t put everything on the charge card.

William Eaton on June 3, 2014 at 12:55 AM

So you peel back the tax people can see in favor of the tax they can’t…

To my mind that’s exactly backward; if somehow I ended up in the Oval Office I’d use a little of that Obama-minted executive authority to eliminate tax withholding and make everyone pay their taxes quarterly.

Hell, make ‘em do it monthly, screw up their sex life twelve times a year instead of just four.

JEM on June 3, 2014 at 12:58 AM

WA ?State has no income taxes and guess how they make it up?
Crushing property taxes, surprise!

Duh

Tard on June 3, 2014 at 1:13 AM

Hell, make ‘em do it monthly, screw up their sex life twelve times a year instead of just four.

JEM on June 3, 2014 at 12:58 AM

You are a subversive.

Nice

MichaelGabriel on June 3, 2014 at 1:16 AM

Maybe in the same sense that they put warning labels on food that is dangerous or have public service messages to that effect… they maybe should inform people that voting for things that cost money without making cuts elsewhere will expand the budget and that those budgets will result in a proportionately higher tax bill?

It seems pretty ignorant to not grasp the connection but this person clearly doesn’t… so maybe that’s a solution. Just a little PSA letting people know before election day that voting for things that cost money will have to be paid for at some level.

Karmashock on June 3, 2014 at 1:25 AM

Oy.

In other news, Seattle’s city council just approved a $15.00/hour minimum wage (the council vote was 9-0). I suspect that people will fail to make the connection between an insanely high minimum wage and (1) having to wait for 30 minutes to check out at the grocery store (and that is when they bag their own groceries), (2) the replacement of the “dollar menu” with the “three dollar menu” at the local fast food emporium and (3) increased costs for everything from utility bills to pharmacy prescriptions, as companies are loath to lose money because of stupid voters, and will pass on cost increases to said stupid voters.

Gretchen Gardner would feel right at home in Seattle, should she choose to move there. Of course, Seattle is even more unaffordable than Austin, but the morons there haven’t been able to make the connection between their (feel-good, “progressive”) votes and the 9.5% sales tax in the city and the surrounding county, which is not happy with dealing with the fallout of Seattle voters’ stupidity.

Horologium on June 3, 2014 at 1:35 AM

Oh, and for what it is worth, property taxes in the city of Seattle range between 9.65% and 11.95% (unless you are a senior, in which case it is “only” 7.09%). That is ridiculous. (By way of example, the city in which I grew up, Coral Springs, FL, has a rate of 4.56%.) But, of course, there is no connection between insane taxes and “progressive” legislation in Seattle.

Horologium on June 3, 2014 at 2:01 AM

Yeah, I never vote yes for anything that could raise my taxes.
I do have kids but throwing money at schools won’t make them any smarter.

Exactly.

ALWAYS vote against tax increases. The tax collector is naturally always in favor of them; he has the Army on his side – all you have is your vote.

USE IT.

jbspry on June 3, 2014 at 2:28 AM

Oddly enough, the reverse is often true. People who pay zero property taxes are often mad that the roads have potholes and the schools suck.

hurricane567 on June 3, 2014 at 3:15 AM

Exactly.

ALWAYS vote against tax increases. The tax collector is naturally always in favor of them; he has the Army on his side – all you have is your vote.

USE IT.

jbspry on June 3, 2014 at 2:28 AM

Exactly. I always vote against every single tax increase for any reason. Let them work within a budget, just as we have to do. And if they can’t make ends meet, then they should trim some of the corruption and/or fat. They should start with the unions.

Theophile on June 3, 2014 at 3:34 AM

They never get rid of a tax.

If you have property tax and no sales tax, it’s only a matter of time.

In the northeast, exorbitant property taxes and sales tax are the norm.

Until the emphasis is on efficient delivery of gov and capped at some reasonable value, expect the rise in taxes to continue (with no commensurate rise service. Gotta pay those pensions)

Lonetown on June 3, 2014 at 5:54 AM

I thought Texas was known as the low tax state…hence all the companies moving there.
Not true?

albill on June 3, 2014 at 6:03 AM

This woman is simply one of the tens of millions of stupid drones who can’t understand what we have is bloated government SPENDING problem.

oldleprechaun on June 3, 2014 at 6:26 AM

Gretchen’s taxes are clearly too low.
She needs to pay her fair share.

justltl on June 3, 2014 at 6:47 AM

“Gretchen, clearly at some point you’ve made enough money.”
POTUS

Khun Joe on June 3, 2014 at 7:00 AM

The pot hole story just doesn’t do it, when it comes to property tax. As with everything liberals touch, they can’t even fix a pot hole right. In New Hampshire, they’d have 3 people, on a road-crew, fixing a pot hole, all of them working. In Massachusetts they’d have 10 people doing the same thing with 6 of them supervising.

It’s amazing with the $billions being spent, our infrastructure is falling apart. Why is that? I’ll leave that to your imagination.

bflat879 on June 3, 2014 at 7:26 AM

Texas used to make a lot tax revenue by taxing the oil that it sells other states. I guess that flow of revenue has run out and the politicians in Texas are just like any other. Florida has no income tax. It just makes or made its money from tourism and its sales tax.

SC.Charlie on June 3, 2014 at 7:33 AM

I’ll pull out the world’s smallest violin and play it for this ignorant liberal but the Obama administration confiscated the wood.

zoyclem on June 3, 2014 at 7:38 AM

Thia one’s easy peasy Gretchen. Get Obama to give you a dispensation or better yet, a federal grant, to pay your bills. Of course, you don’t have to use it for that. You can get tattooed or take a cruise and then have another pity party for more “relief.”

There. Feel better now?

erp on June 3, 2014 at 7:52 AM

We moved to Kentucky from New England due to taxes. Our tax bill for a small 1200 SF Ranch was $4,000 a year in CT. That was in addition to Income Tax, Sales Tax and taxes on nearly everything you did in the State of Connecticut. It was insane.

Our property Tax rate here in Scott County Kentucky is 0.7610 which is less than 25% of what were paying in CT and we have a much larger house here. And our Military Retirement is exempt from State taxes. Our total State tax burden fell by almost half and we still have the same (in some cases better) services we got in CT.

Johnnyreb on June 3, 2014 at 7:57 AM

New research suggests that if Texas eliminates its local property tax system, ranked as the 14th most oppressive in the nation, and instead replaces those lost revenues with an adjusted sales tax, then the ensuing flood of capital investment and business activity could ignite the Texas economy for years to come.

This claim is utter nonsense and sounds like something coming from a leftist loon rather than something described as “free market think tank”. Government spending is the problem. It is costly no matter how it is financed.

thuja on June 3, 2014 at 8:00 AM

That quote sums up liberalism completely. No understanding of cause and effect. No understanding of what taxes are. No understanding of anything.

Typical. Which is why as long as there is universal suffrage, democracy is doomed. Way too many stupid or ignorant people on top of way too many people with a financial interest (gov’t employees, entitlement beneficiaries) in gov’t spending.

There is just no way to get around that.

Monkeytoe on June 3, 2014 at 8:03 AM

Most of Texas has fairly low property taxes, but Austin, Houston, and Dallas have high property taxes. Gretchen can move, but oh, she would lose the nice parks and light rail service. Choices.

bopbottle on June 3, 2014 at 8:12 AM

In Houston, there are some bumper stickers that read “Keep Austin 90 miles from here”…

golfer1 on June 3, 2014 at 8:16 AM

This reminds me so much of the left wing nut stating that he was all for universal health care but just didn’t think he would have to pay for it. What concerns me about these intellectually vacuous types is she will move to some other place with low taxes and vote for all the same goodies all over again. These people are absolute parasites that devour the host and then move onto another victim.

ehscott on June 3, 2014 at 8:22 AM

Like the village idiot trying his hand at carpentry. “I keep cutting and cutting, and it’s STILL too short!”

flipflop on June 3, 2014 at 8:28 AM

I’ll protest my appraisal notice, but that’s not enough. Someone needs to step in and address the big picture.”

Sure, they want all the good things – they just don’t think they should have to PAY for them.

Big government voters are truly selfish voters.

They want infrastructure, but someone else should pay for it.
They want healthcare, but someone else should pay for it.
They charity for all, but someone else should pay for it.
etc.

LilyBart on June 3, 2014 at 8:59 AM

Golfer1, in College Station there are T-shirts that say, “Keep College Station normal.”

Ann K on June 3, 2014 at 9:01 AM

“It’s not because I don’t like paying taxes,” said Gardner, who attended both meetings. “I have voted for every park, every library, all the school improvements, for light rail, for anything that will make this city better.

“I don’t mind paying a little more for all these things, but someone else should really shoulder the burden”, meant Gardner.

LilyBart on June 3, 2014 at 9:01 AM

You can protest it, but the board is composed of political appointees who are usually realtors or relatives of government officials and they always side with the tax assessor-collector’s value.

I’m in the San Antonio area and my experience with protesting properties are that the boards I met were all retired minority teachers. I asked them each and every time I faced a tax board.

Hammie on June 3, 2014 at 9:05 AM

For years, the local governments decided what they needed to spend, then simply divided that figure by the amount of “property value units.” The result was almost always an increase in the property tax rate. But that’s ok, because every eight years they undertook “property revaluation.”

It’s like going to your boss and saying “Dude. I looked at my budget for next year and need $75,355.30 as my salary. Based on my present hourly wage, that comes to an increase in my hourly income by $2.78/hr.”

BigAlSouth on June 3, 2014 at 9:05 AM

These silly people really have NO idea – We’re $17 Trillion in Debt and growing every day, just at the Federal level! That over and above the current annual tax payments.

We’ve voted for so much government -much, much more than we can pay for.

These idiots still think someone else is going to pay for it all!

LilyBart on June 3, 2014 at 9:05 AM

If Gretchen knew where all her tax dollars went for the ‘improvements’ that made her city nicer, she might get a little more hot under the collar. She should ask herself do we really need another park and will I even use that light rail system. Oh, and wait til you sell that cute little bungalow, dear, and find out you have to pay the Ocare tax.

Kissmygrits on June 3, 2014 at 9:06 AM

They want infrastructure, but someone else should pay for it and it shouldn’t be located anywhere near them.

They want healthcare, but someone else should pay for it and the doctors who spend years of their lives in schools shouldn’t be allowed to make more than them and they should still get to sue them into oblivion if they make a mistake.

They want charity for all, but someone else should pay for it and please make sure none of their children go to the school where their precious overachieving children go because those other kids probably have head lice and no chance of getting into an Ivy.

LilyBart on June 3, 2014 at 8:59 AM

I thought we should pursue your thoughts to their logical conclusions.

dreadnought62 on June 3, 2014 at 9:19 AM

Gretchen, like so many progressives, assumed that someone else would be paying for all those ‘improvements’ she was so happy to vote for over the years.

thatsafactjack on June 2, 2014 at 9:52 PM

This dovetails nicely into liberals’ other pathologies: The ‘Above the law’ and ‘Better for Thee.’ attitudes.

They think they are doing such an extraordinarily intelligent public service for dreaming-up these utopian policies that they have done their part and should not have to pay or be held accountable in any way.

Tsar of Earth on June 3, 2014 at 9:20 AM

BigAlSouth on June 3, 2014 at 9:05 AM

That is how phoenix does it.
Why is my property tax on this house that depreciated 80% still 75% of what it was when it was worth 5 times as much?
Because everyone’s house values went down…

astonerii on June 3, 2014 at 9:26 AM

I thought Texas was known as the low tax state…hence all the companies moving there.
Not true?

albill on June 3, 2014 at 6:03 AM

Local control is at play. Most of Texas does have low taxes, but some locales, such as Austin, are an exception. I live in the burbs near Dallas and pay about $7K per year in property taxes on 2 homes (1 is a rental). That is far less than I would pay if we had a state income tax.

stvnscott on June 3, 2014 at 9:27 AM

I love it when liberals get their way but don’t understand the details and consequences they fight for. Wait until they find out what a deductible means in their healthcare policy.

This might be the consequences of humans being formally educated with no emphasis on using your own common sense and basic logic.

Seattle is the next petri dish for the future of this liberal community mentality.

tej on June 3, 2014 at 9:30 AM

This is the liberal mantra, telling others how to spend their money but not their own.

Wade on June 3, 2014 at 9:33 AM

Gretchen the dope is talking about AUSTIN taxes. Not the rest of the state’s taxes. She voted for parks, midnight basketball, festivals for every darned thing imaginable so the potheads can congregate and stink everything up, free tool sheds for the homeless to live in, charity clinics and hospital care for the drunk and tattooed, and really bad art smeared on every surface to disguise the rotten unkempt buildings. Keep Austin Weird is expensive.

Mormaer on June 3, 2014 at 9:36 AM

“I have voted for every park, every library, all the school improvements, for light rail, for anything that will make this city better. But now I can’t afford to live here anymore. I’ll protest my appraisal notice, but that’s not enough. Someone needs to step in and address the big picture.”

How precious.

Kenosha Kid on June 3, 2014 at 9:37 AM

It seems pretty ignorant to not grasp the connection but this person clearly doesn’t… so maybe that’s a solution. Just a little PSA letting people know before election day that voting for things that cost money will have to be paid for at some level.

Karmashock on June 3, 2014 at 1:25 AM

Or, better yet, how about a little “tax literacy” test before voting.
“If I vote to spend more money on things, then our taxes will ___
a. go up
b. go up
c. go up
d. go down
e. stay the same”

If they don’t answer a, b, or c, you shred their ballot.

GWB on June 3, 2014 at 9:38 AM

Logic says Conservatives should avoid sales taxes and income taxes and keep the property taxes. If the tax revenue is generated mostly that way the stupid women of this world, like Gretchen Gardner, might actually notice that you can’t put everything on the charge card.

William Eaton on June 3, 2014 at 12:55 AM

Exactly. Of course if you have a mortgage, the money for taxes (and insurance) can be put into an escrow account, so that you make house payments based on an estimate of taxes and insurance, and the mortgage company pays those bills out of escrow when they’re due. Changes in taxes (tax rate and/or property valuation) and insurance make the payment go up or down each year, as the money in escrow changes.

Ward Cleaver on June 3, 2014 at 9:43 AM

Library? School kids,with their taxpayer funded laptops, have more information at their finger tips via the web than Einstein ever dreamed of, and Austin thinks a Library will add what to the table? Am I advocating closing libraries? Not yet. But why build new ones with all the competing things the public must fund?

stop2think on June 3, 2014 at 9:44 AM

Gretchen the dope is talking about AUSTIN taxes. Not the rest of the state’s taxes. She voted for parks, midnight basketball, festivals for every darned thing imaginable so the potheads can congregate and stink everything up, free tool sheds for the homeless to live in, charity clinics and hospital care for the drunk and tattooed, and really bad art smeared on every surface to disguise the rotten unkempt buildings. Keep Austin Weird is expensive.

Mormaer on June 3, 2014 at 9:36 AM

It burns me up to think how the hippies have screwed up that place.

Ward Cleaver on June 3, 2014 at 9:44 AM

I’ll pull out the world’s smallest violin and play it for this ignorant liberal but the Obama administration confiscated the wood.

zoyclem on June 3, 2014 at 7:38 AM

It’s my understanding that his Beast Woman heard he could get wood and said something about the world’s smallest violin as well.

Tard on June 3, 2014 at 9:45 AM

Fools and their money are soon parted. Too bad they have to take down the rest of us with them.

txmomof6 on June 3, 2014 at 9:45 AM

Or, better yet, how about a little “tax literacy” test before voting.

GWB on June 3, 2014 at 9:38 AM

I think you’re on to something here. Every piece of legislation at any level should come with a tax “Nutrition Facts” label on it. They stuff all that crap on us with our food and drinks, so why shouldn’t our political masters be subject to the same thing?

dreadnought62 on June 3, 2014 at 9:48 AM

Sure, they want all the good things – they just don’t think they should have to PAY for them.

Big government voters are truly selfish voters.

They want infrastructure, but someone else should pay for it.
They want healthcare, but someone else should pay for it.
They charity for all, but someone else should pay for it.
etc.

LilyBart on June 3, 2014 at 8:59 AM

This.

KMC1 on June 3, 2014 at 10:19 AM

Hell, make ‘em do it monthly, screw up their sex life twelve times a year instead of just four.

JEM on June 3, 2014 at 12:58 AM

Quarterly is better. Setting aside money and having it sit there for uncle sugar while trying to pay ones bills I think is much better.

wifarmboy on June 3, 2014 at 10:43 AM

Eh, same thing we saw with ObamaCare. “I voted for President Obama and believe in national healthcare, why has my policy been canceled and replaced by one three times as expensive? I’m a good person!”

JeremiahJohnson on June 3, 2014 at 10:54 AM

State and local budgets have to balance. Not so, the federal budget, which is too bad. As in Austin, if people had to really pay for what they receive from federal govt, they might actually give cr@p about the out of control govt spending we have.

Cornfed on June 3, 2014 at 10:59 AM

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Say howdy to the stupidest woman in Texas http://hotair.com/archives/2014/06/02/liberal-austin-homeowners-surprised-to-find-they-have-to-pay-all-the-taxes-they-voted-for/

Bmore on June 3, 2014 at 11:03 AM

Changes in taxes (tax rate and/or property valuation) and insurance make the payment go up or down each year, as the money in escrow changes.

Ward Cleaver on June 3, 2014 at 9:43 AM

And, hence, they f* up your mortgage payment every year. You notice it every stinking month.

Every piece of legislation at any level should come with a tax “Nutrition Facts” label on it.

dreadnought62 on June 3, 2014 at 9:48 AM

I like that idea. Unfortunately, it will work about as well as our current law requiring laws be posted for public comment before being voted on.

Quarterly is better.

wifarmboy on June 3, 2014 at 10:43 AM

No, annually. One big old lump sum. And it’s due on the Thursday before the first Tuesday in November.

GWB on June 3, 2014 at 11:24 AM

Yea, but you have light rail! Quit your bitching lady!

Minnfidel on June 3, 2014 at 11:29 AM

The thing that surprises me about this story is that Ms. Gardner actually owns her home. Few progressives like her do, they are mostly renters. In most cities, it is the renters who keep voting for every spending item under the sun, with no idea who is paying for it.

A former boss of mine at HUD used to say “the best way to make someone a conservative is to make them a homeowner.” Now you see why this is true. Homeowners pay for most of what local governments do.

rockmom on June 3, 2014 at 11:32 AM

It’s such fun to see a dumb liberal choke on her bite of a reality sandwich …

Whitey Ford on June 3, 2014 at 11:38 AM

The following quote needs some context, Texas has ZERO state/local income tax, therefore it’s understandable that property taxes are a bit higher.

New research suggests that if Texas eliminates its local property tax system, ranked as the 14th most oppressive in the nation

I live in Austin. The issue with the current property taxes, is the assessed values of the homes. Austin is growing very fast, and home values have gone up quite a bit, but not near what they are trying to assess them for. The assessed value of my home went up almost 20%! That would be fine if that was it’s true value, but it’s not. There is no way in heck I could sell my house for anything near it’s assessed value.

As soon as the economy tanked, the local assessments started to go up. It was kind of obvious that as revenues from sales taxes went down, local governments needed to make up revenue, and they did so with property taxes. But this year they went WAY overboard, and decided to jack up assessments by a rediculous amounts.

Mashman on June 3, 2014 at 11:38 AM

Property taxes are assessed on a two-year lag, which causes confusion for people. The current local market may be tanking, but your property taxes are still going up. Where I live (Colorado), my taxes just went down signigicantly but the market is recovering. so I’m on the good side temporarily.

This idiot who wants to protest her property tax needs to learn the system. Unless there is a mistake in how her property was mass-appraised, she is toast. At best she might win a reduction that will save her $50-$75. She will probably win nothing. Austin has high proerpty values, due to hipsters cramming in to be in hipsterville.

Enjoy the fruits of your politics, honey.

Meremortal on June 3, 2014 at 11:56 AM

When it comes to your self ‘image’ and your cities ‘status’, how can feeling so good cost so much?!

ronco on June 3, 2014 at 12:24 PM

I live in Austin in the next neighborhood over from Bouldin. It’s very similar except with a much, much better elementary school (which is why I’m willing to pay out the nose to live there). Our property taxes are out of control, too, but I didn’t vote for any of the increases or bonds and I imagine Ms. Gardner, along with most of my friends and neighbors, did.

Mashman is correct upthread, the appraised values went way up this year. But I disagree as to why. Austin real estate is sky high. Hundred plus people moving here every single day according to some estimates. Homes selling overnight for above the asking price in cash – that type of thing.

So, obviously the city is going to bring up appraisals to match reality. I couldn’t argue with the new assessed value of our home. We probably could sell it for that amount. So I didn’t protest.

Austin has high proerpty values, due to hipsters cramming in to be in hipsterville.

Enjoy the fruits of your politics, honey.

Meremortal on June 3, 2014 at 11:56 AM

Precisely.

Missy on June 3, 2014 at 12:33 PM

Swapping Sales Taxes for Property Taxes never really happens. They just add the sales tax and then (oops!) forget to remove the property taxes…

CrazyFool on June 3, 2014 at 12:51 PM

Typical liberal. Vote for everything, and either don’t want to pay for it, or expect someone else to pay for their actions. The only good liberal is a deported liberal.

F_This on June 3, 2014 at 1:27 PM

That is liberals for you! Where I live the elderly are always liberal little old ladies who love their SS check, don’t count their life savings or the proceeds as wealth, and want the elderly to be exempted from the local tax base, while they vote for everything that comes down the pike. We need a new Senior Center. We need more employees at the Senior Center. We need free “Day Care” at the senior center…etc. then they say if they vote for those things, how can they ignore…The Children…they vote for new school construction and they vote for the property tax “Over Ride” but they don’t want to pay they taxes, they want a pass, a Credit, and they don’t want any of their Wealth to count. They get a Social Security Check! That should be enough to exempt them from taxation. Some have homes worth $350 to800K, but some own even a million dollars worth of real estate, “but they live on that SS check!” Hmmm…

Fleuries on June 3, 2014 at 1:28 PM

What we really need to do is demand that all taxes be paid once a year – on the same day for all city, county, state and federal taxes including SS and medicare. I suspect there would be a lot more Gretchen’s out there who might get a clue.

Over50 on June 3, 2014 at 3:14 PM

I’ll protest my appraisal notice, but that’s not enough. Someone needs to step in and address the big picture.”

Greedy liberals refusing to pay their fair share.

How usual.

RJL on June 3, 2014 at 3:41 PM

this is why I moved 500ft beyond the Travis County border, these liberals approve every tax that is on the ballot, and then wonder why they can’t afford to live here. the $120 million library is almost complete, the homeless can’t wait to surf porn and sleep on the couches

burserker on June 3, 2014 at 4:11 PM

This also happens when progressives flee a liberal high tax state (Massachusetts) to a conservative low tax state (New Hampshire) but keep their liberal voting patterns which caused the high taxes in the first place. In sufficient numbers they turn the low tax conservative state into a high tax liberal state. This is already beginning to happen in New Hampshire–starting with soaring property taxes. You would think that liberal voters would learn their lesson but they never do. Even the dumbest of birds flies into a mirror only once.

Unfortunately, there are a class of voters who never have to pay the piper-the perpetual welfare families.

MaiDee on June 3, 2014 at 4:14 PM

When I was a little kid I didn’t understand the concept of money and checks. I thought a check was just something you write if you didn’t have money. Like it was just free money or something. Like if I wanted a new toy and my mom said it was too much I would say “just write a check”.

Liberals have this mindset. They haven’t gained the maturity and intelligence to understand the concept of money and paying for things.

The Notorious G.O.P on June 3, 2014 at 8:02 PM

Well I guess that’s the one place California has Texas beat tax-wise. Property taxes are more or less capped at about 1% of the value of the purchase price. I live in a fairly nice place on the westside of Los Angeles but because I bought in an up and coming neighborhood before it came up, I pay about $120 a month, and will continue to do so for as long as I live here. Vehicle license fees aren’t actually all that bad either, they adjust based on the value of the car. I drive a relatively old and modest SUV (2000 Honda), so end up paying about $100 a year. Sales (9%) and income taxes (10+%) make up for it though . . .

Progressive Heretic on June 4, 2014 at 2:40 AM

Austin IDIOTS.

TX-96 on June 4, 2014 at 6:11 AM

So much awesome irony that never gets anywhere.
Here in ND our property taxes are quite high.
The nation keeps touting ND as a haven for conservatism & great economy.
Under GOP leadership since I moved here 1999 the state socialist govt of ND has grown by huge proportions.
Welfare cases and dependency upon such programs has increased by huge proportions. Many are out of state free loaders from places like OR,CO,WA,ID,CA.
I am a property tax payer on all agricultural land.
My county has some of the highest ag land taxes around.
Recently there was an effort by the screwl board to increase the school property tax amount by double to fund a new screwl which was not properly vetted at all. It was rammed through to be vote upon in less than a year in a special election just one month prior t6o regular June elections here.
I teach in that school as well as another in a neighboring county.
I see the WASTE that has occurred in my home county screwl.
I have been pressured to spend lots of $$ in the past there on anything I want so that we spend into the red in order to be able to with ‘good’ conscience to go & beg the state legislature for more & more $$.
The vote was more than 2/3 NO to raise taxes & I credit a good friend who got a state watch dog group involved.
But the fight is not over.
Our county loves to waste taxpayer $$.

Badger40 on June 4, 2014 at 11:58 AM

They don’t even have to raise the propery tax rate to screw you.
All they do is say your assessed value is worth more this year than it was last year.
You can protest it, but the board is composed of political appointees who are usually realtors or relatives of government officials and they always side with the tax assessor-collector’s value.
I’m all for scrapping the property tax and expanding the sales tax. Include food and OTC drugs.

TX-eye on June 2, 2014 at 9:51 PM

This is what the screwl board in my county threatened to do if the vote vote didn’t go their way.

Badger40 on June 4, 2014 at 12:35 PM

WA ?State has no income taxes and guess how they make it up?
Crushing property taxes, surprise!

Duh

Tard on June 3, 2014 at 1:13 AM

Crushing? on my 2000sf home, in King County, my property taxes for the year is just under $3800. I hardly call that crushing. Austin would be crushing. So what you are saying is that you WANT state income taxes? Are you a Gates SR liberal?

she-viking on June 4, 2014 at 1:03 PM

Ahh the good ol’ tax debate. Imagine my surprise several years ago when I realized that despite loathing sales taxes after growing up with them in CA, I found that I prefer them over income (slavery) or property taxes (gov owns the land, you don’t). Sales taxes at least hit your wallet and cause you to think about them almost daily.

Tis amazing how long this country was run off of tariffs/sales taxes.

oryguncon on June 4, 2014 at 1:53 PM

I live in Austin because my husband works in software. It sucks here. There is an oppressive feeling. No plastic bags for you! The city’s answer to traffic is bike lanes and we have no water. I miss the friendly conservative confines of southwest Minnesota.

Hat Trick on June 4, 2014 at 9:45 PM

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