Jay Carney: Bergdahl wasn’t a hostage, he was a prisoner

posted at 2:41 pm on June 2, 2014 by Allahpundit

One of the revealing wrinkles of the Bergdahl deal is that it’s now put the White House in the position of obliquely defending the Taliban’s legitimacy. Terrorists take hostages, and the United States as a rule doesn’t negotiate with terrorists. Legitimate armies, however, take prisoners, and the United States has always negotiated for POWs. Obama’s political need to have his strategy perceived as appropriate requires that the Taliban’s methods be seen as sufficiently appropriate too. Although, in fairness to Carney, that’s been true since 9/11: Neither Bush’s nor Obama’s State Department has formally designated the Taliban a terrorist organization, precisely because the White House wants to preserve its ability to talk to the group as we head for the exits in Afghanistan. (Tehrik-e Taliban, a different group based in Pakistan, was designated a few years ago.) As a matter of political reality, the Taliban has never been a terrorist group.

As a matter of actual reality, the story is different.

Shock spread through Kabul’s close-knit expatriate community after the Taliban killed 21 people, including the International Monetary Fund’s mission chief and a senior United Nations official, in a dinnertime attack on a popular restaurant Friday…

The Lebanese restaurant targeted Friday was in Kabul’s Wazir Akbar Khan central district, home to many embassies, aid organizations and guesthouses. At about 7:30 p.m. Friday, a Taliban suicide bomber blew himself up at the compound’s gate, officials said. Then two other insurgents burst in and gunned down the diners at their tables.

Suicide-bombing your way into a restaurant and then machine-gunning the survivors is Terrorism 101, but since the responsible party will soon be back in charge in Kabul, they remain sufficiently respectable-ish that we can carry out a high-level prisoner swap with them. Coping with that cognitive dissonance, of holding peace talks with suicide bombers, is so hard that when State Department spokesman Jen Psaki was asked last year whether the Taliban is an officially recognized terrorist organization, she admitted she … wasn’t sure offhand. The best piece I’ve read on this subject is this one from 2009 by Tom Joscelyn and Bill Roggio exploring just how deep the ties between Al Qaeda “terrorists” and the Taliban “army” run. The hostage/prisoner distinction is a simple function of the political fiction we’ve created around the Taliban for 14 years. And since they’ve tended to react, shall we say, badly when some of their allies on the ground in Afghanistan have been designated terrorists, don’t expect State to reverse course on this anytime soon.

Pay attention at 1:15 here, by the way, as Chris Cuomo asks Carney whether it should matter if Bergdahl did indeed desert his post rather than being taken during combat by enemy action. That’s a perfect opportunity for Carney to challenge the theory that Bergdahl walked away. Instead, he dodges the question. Exit question: Should deserters be treated as standard POWs, knowing that trying to get them back could — and apparently did, in Bergdahl’s case — cost members of the search party their lives?


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Baghdad Bobby is still around?

Schadenfreude on June 2, 2014 at 2:43 PM

Carney should burn in hell!

FORMER OFFICER: SOLDIERS WERE ‘THREATENED’ IF THEY QUESTIONED BERGDAHL STORY

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/06/02/Former-Officer-Soldiers-Were-Threatened-if-They-Questioned-Bergdahl-Story

idesign on June 2, 2014 at 2:44 PM

He was a deserter, Baghdad Bobby, and s/b tried and executed, fool.

Your boss is a traitor to the USA and endangers every single American now.

Schadenfreude on June 2, 2014 at 2:44 PM

Isn’t this f*ckwit gone yet? *sigh*

Midas on June 2, 2014 at 2:45 PM

Don’t enlist. You are nothing more than cannon fodder for politicians…

PatriotRider on June 2, 2014 at 2:46 PM

Carney has a wonderful future as a director at NBC or CNN.

Murphy9 on June 2, 2014 at 2:46 PM

I thought this lying creep was dismissed. Or does he enjoy lying so much that he does it for free?

Rix on June 2, 2014 at 2:46 PM

Exit question: Should deserters be treated as standard POWs,

Oh hell no! It’s one thing to have been taken while doing one’s duty. Simply walking away from post is desertion. Bergdahl was a deserter not a POW.

Happy Nomad on June 2, 2014 at 2:46 PM

Weeks of searching turned into months. The military pushed his parents and fellow soldiers to sign nondisclosure agreements. But before everyone signed, a comrade from his unit publicly called on Facebook for Bergdahl’s execution as a deserter defector.

Sorry for above…he was not a deserter. He is a defector, as VorDaj correctly clarified in the other thread.

Schadenfreude on June 2, 2014 at 2:46 PM

Bergdahl was nothing more than a cover for the release of the 5 Taliban prisoners.

Clearly Obama has been negotiating a cease fire with the Taliban until we get our troops out and the release of the 5 prisoners was a prerequisite. Bergdahl was nothing more than a throw in to create a diversion.

Tater Salad on June 2, 2014 at 2:47 PM

Don’t enlist. You are nothing more than cannon fodder for politicians seat warmer for illegals who will take your place

PatriotRider on June 2, 2014 at 2:46 PM

Rix on June 2, 2014 at 2:47 PM

One thing that should be pointed out: the Taliban wouldn’t “hold” an American prisoner. As an infidel, he would be beheaded. The fact that Bergdahl was kept alive for five years is evidence that he converted and was helping the Taliban out.

TarheelBen on June 2, 2014 at 2:47 PM

If the Taliban ask to open an embassy in D.C., what would Dog Eater say? Do they have a seat at the U.N.? If not, why not.

Bishop on June 2, 2014 at 2:48 PM

So essentially Obama traded 5 top Taliban who will surely be involved in the murder of more innocents for a deserter who’s father praises Allah and hugs Obama after the praise.

darwin on June 2, 2014 at 2:49 PM

Obama is the ultimate fool in this parlor game of charades. Holding a Rose Garden photo op with his parents only heightened the scrutiny on this whole matter.

Tater Salad on June 2, 2014 at 2:51 PM

Jay doing some on the job training?

Electrongod on June 2, 2014 at 2:51 PM

Did he help the human trash terrorists construct bombs or coordinate attacks against American soldiers. Did he give them detailed operational info. Did he assist them beyond giving name, rank, and serial number which is all a POW is required to give.

Bishop on June 2, 2014 at 2:51 PM

I have to ask the question……are Bergdahl’s parents still married?

His mom is way too hot, at her age, to be saddled with Taliban loving, goofball, father like his.

Tater Salad on June 2, 2014 at 2:53 PM

How does it feel to know the leaders of our country are playing for the wrong team? We might as well formally declare them an ally after all the weapons shipments, training, and prisoners we’re giving them.

SirGawain on June 2, 2014 at 2:53 PM

Rix on June 2, 2014 at 2:46 PM

Carney’s replacement still hasn’t mastered the technique of spreading the administrations talking points without breaking into hysterical laughter!!

Deano1952 on June 2, 2014 at 2:53 PM

We should make this a true swap, and put Bergdahl in one of the newly-empty cells at Gitmo.

If the five Talibani were POWs rather than terrorists, why not turn them over the the Afghan government?

myiq2xu on June 2, 2014 at 2:54 PM

Exit question: Should deserters be treated as standard POWs, knowing that trying to get them back could — and apparently did, in Bergdahl’s case — cost members of the search party their lives?

Did we do that for Charles Robert Jenkins?

Relax, the Taliban aren’t terrorist terrorists.

rbj on June 2, 2014 at 2:55 PM

Did he assist them beyond giving name, rank, and serial number which is all a POW is required to give.

Bishop on June 2, 2014 at 2:51 PM

Maybe he put on a performance of The Nutcracker or brewed them up a nice mocha latte.

Happy Nomad on June 2, 2014 at 2:55 PM

Bergdahl does not qualify as a prisoner of war.

To be entitled to prisoner-of-war status, captured persons must be lawful combatants entitled to combatant’s privilege—which gives them immunity from punishment for crimes constituting lawful acts of war such as killing enemy combatants. To qualify under the Third Geneva Convention, a combatant must be part of a chain of command, wear a “fixed distinctive marking, visible from a distance”, bear arms openly, and have conducted military operations according to the laws and customs of war. (The Convention recognizes a few other groups as well, such as “[i]nhabitants of a non-occupied territory, who on the approach of the enemy spontaneously take up arms to resist the invading forces, without having had time to form themselves into regular armed units”.)

Thus, uniforms and/or badges are important in determining prisoner-of-war status; and francs-tireurs, terrorists, saboteurs, mercenaries, and spies do not qualify because they do not always follow the laws and customs of war and therefore they fall under the category of unlawful combatants. In practice, these criteria are rarely interpreted strictly. Guerrillas, for example, usually do not wear a uniform or carry arms openly, but captured guerrillas are often granted POW status.

thatsafactjack on June 2, 2014 at 2:55 PM

The fact that Bergdahl deserted is just icing on the cake for Talibama. That’s a plus for these people, a resume enhancer and medal worthy.

Talibama ALSO likes that Bergdahl deserted because that just further enrages the military (which he loathes) and the Right.

This whole travesty is nothing but WIN for Talibama and the left.

Meople on June 2, 2014 at 2:56 PM

If the Taliban ask to open an embassy in D.C., what would Dog Eater say? Do they have a seat at the U.N.? If not, why not.

Bishop on June 2, 2014 at 2:48 PM

“These are nice Taliban” — obam/Rice/Baghdad Bobby

Schadenfreude on June 2, 2014 at 2:57 PM

How long can it take to train Carney’s replacement, anyway?

Speaker Boehner is waiting to hire him.

kcewa on June 2, 2014 at 2:58 PM

Exit question: Should deserters be treated as standard POWs, knowing that trying to get them back could — and apparently did, in Bergdahl’s case — cost members of the search party their lives?

Absolutely not. You don’t sacrifice the lives of loyal American troops to save a deserter. And you sure as hell don’t hand over 5 terrorists to the Taliban in exchange for him.

Doughboy on June 2, 2014 at 2:58 PM

Bishops comment is funny.

“Did he assist them beyond giving his name, rank and serial # which is all a POW is required to give”

Lol. I dont know what information he gave them or not but lets say they wanted information from him or from you or I for that matter. I doubt us saying “hey all im required to give you is my name rank and serial number…now leave me alone” would do much to stop them lol.

You guys crack me up.

Politricks on June 2, 2014 at 2:58 PM

Even Piper Laurie’s laughing at us.

cbenoistd on June 2, 2014 at 2:59 PM

Cuomo lobbs him a softball (of course) and he ducks?

I think this deserter/sympathizer meme has legs.

Buck Farky on June 2, 2014 at 2:59 PM

Time for the daily hour of Tour

redyoshii on June 2, 2014 at 3:00 PM

Exit question: Should deserters be treated as standard POWs, knowing that trying to get them back could — and apparently did, in Bergdahl’s case — cost members of the search party their lives?

Don’t you have to get them back before you can determine that they deserted? Does anyone know military law in this regard? Is desertion even a formal charge?

kcewa on June 2, 2014 at 3:01 PM

Exit question: Should deserters defectors be treated as standard POWs,

Schadenfreude on June 2, 2014 at 3:01 PM

Carney reminds me of those three-foot-high clown punching bags that we had as kids. You’d punch it down, and it would resume its original posture in a second or two. But it was so much fun to punch it, nonetheless.

And to the point some others have made, when is this obot finally out of the public eye? I thought he wanted to spend the summer with his House Beautiful kids. Just leave already.

MisterElephant on June 2, 2014 at 3:02 PM

I doubt us saying “hey all im required to give you is my name rank and serial number…now leave me alone” would do much to stop them lol.

You guys crack me up.

Politricks on June 2, 2014 at 2:58 PM

No, it wouldn’t, but you still have to say that. And it’s not a funny matter.

kcewa on June 2, 2014 at 3:04 PM

From Fox News:

“A senior official confirms to Fox News that the conduct of Sgt. Bergdahl – both in his final stretch of active duty in Afghanistan and then, too, during his time when he lived among the Taliban – has been thoroughly investigated by the U.S. intelligence community and is the subject of “a major classified file.”

The Defense Department source confirmed to Fox News that many within the intelligence community harbor serious outstanding concerns not only that Bergdahl may have been a deserter but that he may have been an active collaborator with the enemy.

Sources also tell Fox News that many officials in the executive branch are “quite baffled” by the White House’s decision to allow the president to stand alongside Sgt. Bergdahl’s father in the Rose Garden this past weekend, given the father’s history of statements, emails and online posts.”

kingsjester on June 2, 2014 at 3:04 PM

Bergdahl was not a deserter. He is a defector. He wanted to find/join the enemy. When he realized they were not the Taliban he wet his pants.

Now America has an idiot back and a Traitor in Chief, in full sunlight.

Schadenfreude on June 2, 2014 at 3:04 PM

From Fox News:

“A senior official confirms to Fox News that the conduct of Sgt. Bergdahl – both in his final stretch of active duty in Afghanistan and then, too, during his time when he lived among the Taliban – has been thoroughly investigated by the U.S. intelligence community and is the subject of “a major classified file.”

He NEVER lived among the Taliban. It was worse, the Haqquanis.

Schadenfreude on June 2, 2014 at 3:05 PM

Never Ending Circle Jerk Of Liars.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on June 2, 2014 at 3:06 PM

How exactly can Talibama and his Regime get away with using the whole “we don’t leave Americans behind” argument?

They left Americans behind and completely abandoned them in Benghazi.

They are letting a Marine sit in prison for no reason at all in Mexico. How is that “leaving no American behind”?

OH, I guess you just have to be a terrorist sympathizer and deserter to be rescued by this Regime. I understand now.

Meople on June 2, 2014 at 3:07 PM

Lol. I dont know what information he gave them or not but lets say they wanted information from him or from you or I for that matter. I doubt us saying “hey all im required to give you is my name rank and serial number…now leave me alone” would do much to stop them lol.

You guys crack me up.

Politricks on June 2, 2014 at 2:58 PM

Which was my point all along, how far beyond that stage did Bergdahl go, how far might he have assisted to save himself, up to and including what…dropping shells down a mortar tube? Triggering an IED?

The group that held Bergdahl are so awful that even AQ thinks they’re too violent, and yet somehow low-ranking Joe American Soldier becomes hot property for them, hot enough that they would risk having the full might of the US military used against them directly.

lol

Bishop on June 2, 2014 at 3:07 PM

Even Piper Laurie’s laughing at us.

cbenoistd on June 2, 2014 at 2:59 PM

I like her. What is the reference?

MisterElephant on June 2, 2014 at 3:08 PM

The Defense Department source confirmed to Fox News that many within the intelligence community harbor serious outstanding concerns not only that Bergdahl may have been a deserter defector but that he may have been an active collaborator with the enemy.

Big difference

Sources also tell Fox News that many officials in the executive branch are “quite baffled” by the White House’s decision to allow the president to stand alongside Sgt. Bergdahl’s father in the Rose Garden this past weekend, given the father’s history of statements, emails and online posts.”

kingsjester on June 2, 2014 at 3:04 PM

obama among his brothers, a sense of pride.

Why hasn’t the father found his shaving kit? Haram

Schadenfreude on June 2, 2014 at 3:08 PM

“I’d like to follow up, if you don’t mind……Mr. Carney, having said that, was Ambassador Stevens a hostage or a prisoner during the brief time he was alive and under the control of the group attacking the US consulate in Benghazi?”

BobMbx on June 2, 2014 at 3:08 PM

Politricks on June 2, 2014 at 2:58 PM

That’s not what Bishop meant, but then you know that, unless you’re really as obtuse and ridiculously benighted as you appear to be in making that statement.

What Bishop is discussing is a point of law regarding a key determinant as to whether Bergdahl was a prisoner of war during his stay with the Taliban ( Haqqanis) or if he was in fact working with them.

thatsafactjack on June 2, 2014 at 3:09 PM

Was Bowe Bergdahl A ‘POW’ Or A ‘Deserter’? Does It Matter? Should It?

Resist We Much on June 2, 2014 at 3:09 PM

Neiter – he was a defector. He wanted to join the enemies.

Schadenfreude on June 2, 2014 at 3:11 PM

Enjoy the super spin cycle Bob Beckel and Juan Williams will do on this crime.

Obama makes them go lower and lower every week, bottomless pit of lies.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on June 2, 2014 at 3:12 PM

EFF OFF PISSANT.

ToddPA on June 2, 2014 at 3:12 PM

Politricks is nothing if not stupid.

Schadenfreude on June 2, 2014 at 3:12 PM

Sec. of State John F. Kerry’s statement “He is my kind of guy”.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on June 2, 2014 at 3:13 PM

Should deserters be treated as standard POWs, knowing that trying to get them back could — and apparently did, in Bergdahl’s case — cost members of the search party their lives?

War is not a game. Nor is it a place for childish rainbow-gazers. Our warriors should be afforded the utmost respect for their service. Deserters should be shot on sight.

ROCnPhilly on June 2, 2014 at 3:13 PM

The Islamists watch all, but they hate the leftists the most.

Schadenfreude on June 2, 2014 at 3:13 PM

Don’t you have to get them back before you can determine that they deserted? Does anyone know military law in this regard? Is desertion even a formal charge?

kcewa on June 2, 2014 at 3:01 PM

No, you don’t have to “get them back” to charge them with desertion.

Is it a formal charge? Its one of the few that can get you executed. Is that formal enough?

Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ)

ART. 85. DESERTION

(a) Any member of the armed forces who–

(1) without authority goes or remains absent from his unit, organization, or place of duty with intent to remain away therefrom permanently;

(2) quits his unit, organization, or place of duty with intent to avoid hazardous duty or to shirk important service; or

(3) without being regularly separated from one of the armed forces enlists or accepts an appointment in the same or another on of the armed forces without fully disclosing the fact that he has not been regularly separated, or enters any foreign armed service except when authorized by the United States;

is guilty of desertion.

(b) Any commissioned officer of the armed forces who, after tender of his resignation and before notice of its acceptance, quits his post or proper duties without leave and with intent to remain away therefrom permanently is guilty of desertion.

(c) Any person found guilty of desertion or attempt to desert shall be punished, if the offense is committed in time of war, by death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct, but if the desertion or attempt to desert occurs at any other time, by such punishment, other than death, as a court-martial may direct.

BobMbx on June 2, 2014 at 3:14 PM

Carney Argues The Taliban Are Not “Terrorists”…

Mark Knoller @markknoller

Carney also cited signing statement by Pres Obama that he would not be bound by 30-day notification requirement on detainee release.

1:59 PM – 2 June 2014

Which is odd because earlier today Carney called the Taliban “terrorists.”

Americans should not be concerned that the Taliban has declared a prisoner swap freeing five Guantanamo Bay detainees in exchange for captured U.S. Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl a victory, White House press secretary Jay Carney said Monday.

“I caution anyone against buying the propaganda of terrorists,” Carney said during an interview with NBC’s Today Show.

Resist We Much on June 2, 2014 at 3:15 PM

Atty. General Eric Holder to Bowe, “We have your back” do not worry.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on June 2, 2014 at 3:15 PM

Don’t you have to get them back before you can determine that they deserted? Does anyone know military law in this regard? Is desertion even a formal charge?

kcewa on June 2, 2014 at 3:01 PM

Well, considering he sent home his belongings three days prior, and left his gear behind, it’s a fair bit he wasn’t on an active combat mission at the time he disappeared.

I’m certain a court martial will be in order to determine the nature of his violation but a lot of people are considering this a foregone conclusion. And I see little reason to doubt them.

The Schaef on June 2, 2014 at 3:15 PM

The stupid is out today, by the wheelbarrow.

Schadenfreude on June 2, 2014 at 3:15 PM

He NEVER lived among the Taliban. It was worse, the Haqquanis.

Schadenfreude on June 2, 2014 at 3:05 PM

He becasme “Swarthy” and copulated with Sheep??

ToddPA on June 2, 2014 at 3:15 PM

Carney is an idiot. Bergdahl was with the Haqquanis, not with the Taliban. The Taliban just celebrate their victory over obama, their brother.

Schadenfreude on June 2, 2014 at 3:17 PM

Don’t you have to get them back before you can determine that they deserted? Does anyone know military law in this regard? Is desertion even a formal charge?
kcewa on June 2, 2014 at 3:01 PM

As I recall, one had to be AWOL for 30 days before being classified as a deserter. I’m inclined to go with <a href="Schadenfreude on June 2, 2014 at 2:46 PM“>Schade’s concurrence with VorDaj in this matter–defector, not deserter.

Newtie and the Beauty on June 2, 2014 at 3:17 PM

He becasme “Swarthy” and copulated with Sheep??

ToddPA on June 2, 2014 at 3:15 PM

Well, it’s likely that they did him…obamalove.

Schadenfreude on June 2, 2014 at 3:18 PM

Baghdad Bobby is still around?

Schadenfreude on June 2, 2014 at 2:43 PM

Apparently. Whats up with that? Thought he got fired or quit or……….

Bmore on June 2, 2014 at 3:18 PM

Neiter – he was a defector. He wanted to join the enemies.

Schadenfreude on June 2, 2014 at 3:11 PM

he was a military tho, isn’t he subject to the UCMJ (article 85), so if he leaves his base/place of duty, he’s a deserter, no? he’s not like Snowden, for instance, who’s a civilian. And who I guess we can call defector, or depending on one’s views on him, a disident.

jimver on June 2, 2014 at 3:18 PM

I like her. What is the reference?

MisterElephant on June 2, 2014 at 3:08 PM

“They’re all gonna laugh at you. They’re all gonna laugh at you.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD0EUQnElEE

Of course the irony is they weren’t all laughing at her. Hardly any of them in fact.

Doughboy on June 2, 2014 at 3:19 PM

Putin says this guy is so low he has no room in his treason motel at this time for him.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on June 2, 2014 at 3:20 PM

Admin of Anti-Bergdahl Facebook Group Revealed as Former Squad Leader

NotCoach on June 2, 2014 at 3:17 PM

So, we’re gon’ believe obama/Rice and Baghdad Bobby? Mhhh-uh. I so hope the Islamists get a few of the really stupid ones.

Schadenfreude on June 2, 2014 at 3:20 PM

You guys crack me up.

Politricks on June 2, 2014 at 2:58 PM

Jay?

Bmore on June 2, 2014 at 3:20 PM

Baghdad Bobby is still around?

Schadenfreude on June 2, 2014 at 2:43 PM

Apparently. Whats up with that? Thought he got fired or quit or……….

Bmore on June 2, 2014 at 3:18 PM

Can’t let go of O yet :).. All that love :) …

jimver on June 2, 2014 at 3:21 PM

Don’t you have to get them back before you can determine that they deserted? Does anyone know military law in this regard? Is desertion even a formal charge?
kcewa on June 2, 2014 at 3:01 PM

As I recall, one had to be AWOL for 30 days before being classified as a deserter. I’m inclined to go with Schade’s concurrence with VorDaj in this matter–defector, not deserter.
Newtie and the Beauty on June 2, 2014 at 3:17 PM

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Newtie and the Beauty on June 2, 2014 at 3:22 PM

Can’t let go of O yet :).. All that love :) …

jimver on June 2, 2014 at 3:21 PM

Schadenfreude on June 2, 2014 at 3:23 PM

WTF was up with that non-stop feasting video they kept showing? It’s as if they wanted future potential traitors to know how good they7′d be treated.

Roy Rogers on June 2, 2014 at 3:23 PM

Or this, jimver – scroll down a tad.

Schadenfreude on June 2, 2014 at 3:24 PM

…what would Dog Eater say?

Bishops comment is funny…

You guys crack me up.

Politricks on June 2, 2014 at 2:58 PM

Nah, it’s true.

I was introduced to dog meat (tough), snake meat (tougher), and roasted grasshopper (crunchy).

Fallon on June 2, 2014 at 3:24 PM

For Bmore :)

Schadenfreude on June 2, 2014 at 3:24 PM

New thread’s up – the best, yet.

Schadenfreude on June 2, 2014 at 3:26 PM

Schadenfreude on June 2, 2014 at 3:24 PM

Lolz! I love you Man!!!

Bmore on June 2, 2014 at 3:26 PM

Lolz! I love you Man!!!

Bmore on June 2, 2014 at 3:26 PM

It’s ok
We’re all now gay.

Schadenfreude on June 2, 2014 at 3:27 PM

The fecklessness, mendacity, vapidity, and willingness to embrace / leverage the ‘Big Lie’ by this Administration is, even after the last 5 1/2 years, still astounding.

They believe that they remain unaccountable for any of their actions, and that regardless, the ends always justifies the means.

That belief demonstrates beyond all doubt the moral, ethical, and intellectual bankruptcy of not only this tyrannical Administration, but their corrupt enablers and apologists in the media who have placed enabling a bankrupt ideology before their responsibility to the people.

The media is no longer protecting the interests of the people.

Congress has no interest to protect the interests of the people, only their own corrupt and mendacious interests. Same with the GOP, the ‘opposition party’.

Athos on June 2, 2014 at 3:28 PM

…can’t wait to see who hires Clown Carey!

KOOLAID2 on June 2, 2014 at 3:29 PM

Is this that much different than President Reagan and Carter negotiating with Iran to get the 52 US Hostages released in 1981 by agreeing to release about $8 billion in Iranian assets that were frozen during the hostage standoff, and immunizing the Iranian government from any lawsuits that might be filed after the crisis was over to get the 52 hostages released?

Gebeaux on June 2, 2014 at 3:33 PM

Is this that much different than President Reagan and Carter negotiating with Iran to get the 52 US Hostages released in 1981 by agreeing to release about $8 billion in Iranian assets that were frozen during the hostage standoff, and immunizing the Iranian government from any lawsuits that might be filed after the crisis was over to get the 52 hostages released?

Gebeaux on June 2, 2014 at 3:33 PM

I don’t recall the 52 hostages being deserters from the military, and possibly traitors.

NotCoach on June 2, 2014 at 3:38 PM

…can’t wait to see who hires Clown Carey!

KOOLAID2 on June 2, 2014 at 3:29 PM

John McCain? Mitch McConnell? Eric Cantor? John Boehner?

They might have a bidding war on their hands.

Meople on June 2, 2014 at 3:38 PM

Doughboy on June 2, 2014 at 3:19 PM

OK. I remember now.

Laurie was an actress who went places that not many of her generation did go, would have gone or could have gone.

MisterElephant on June 2, 2014 at 3:39 PM

Bishops comment is funny.

“Did he assist them beyond giving his name, rank and serial # which is all a POW is required to give”

Lol. I dont know what information he gave them or not but lets say they wanted information from him or from you or I for that matter. I doubt us saying “hey all im required to give you is my name rank and serial number…now leave me alone” would do much to stop them lol.

You guys crack me up.

Politricks on June 2, 2014 at 2:58 PM

Thanks so much for sharing that.

Now can you translate it into English? None of us except you and O’bama reads Austrian!

Del Dolemonte on June 2, 2014 at 3:40 PM

Carney is simply trying to keep the story alive for another day.

Think, folks.

faraway on June 2, 2014 at 3:41 PM

Can’t wait to see what all this looks like 2 1/2 years from now.

formwiz on June 2, 2014 at 3:41 PM

Don’t you have to get them back before you can determine that they deserted? Does anyone know military law in this regard? Is desertion even a formal charge?

kcewa on June 2, 2014 at 3:01 PM

It depends on the circumstances, but there are times when you can declare a person a deserter (VUCMJ Art. 85) immediately – if the member expresses an intent to remain away permanently. Normally, a member is declared a deserter after 30 days.

If it is found that Bergdahl collaborated with the enemy – gave them information – he could be charged with VUCMJ Art. 106a – espionage.

In any event, Bergdahl should be charged and tried. Only in Obama-world would this guy be celebrated and given a parade.

TarheelBen on June 2, 2014 at 3:43 PM

Is this that much different than President Reagan and Carter negotiating with Iran to get the 52 US Hostages released in 1981

Gebeaux on June 2, 2014 at 3:33 PM

Not even close to the same thing.

F-

Del Dolemonte on June 2, 2014 at 3:43 PM

I guess that whole, “not negotiating with terrorists” thing is pretty much out the window now, huh?

Wasn’t the last President to do that, Jimmah Carter?

Meople on June 2, 2014 at 3:45 PM

He becasme “Swarthy” and copulated with Sheep goats??

ToddPA on June 2, 2014 at 3:15 PM

RickB on June 2, 2014 at 3:51 PM

Ahhhhhhhhh, lets all relish the fruits of the creatin Bush “Democracy Project”…Hahahahahahahahahahaha…Bwahahahahaha…Hahahahahah!

acetylene420 on June 2, 2014 at 3:56 PM

Meople on June 2, 2014 at 3:45 PM

IIRC, the Democrats had quite a field day with hearings and criminal proceedings against members of the Reagan Administration over Iran-Contra as members of that Administration attempted to gain the release of American’s seized by Hizbollah in Lebanon – including the CIA Station Chief who was ultimately tortured to death by Iran’s puppet terrorist organization.

But by all means, let’s not have the temerity to question a vapid, petulant, mendacious, narcissistic, and tyrannical Administration who decides to release 5 war criminals to regain someone who deserted his post during a time of war, and by his father’s admission, gave assistance to our enemies. After all, to the fascists running this government, the ends justifies the means.

Athos on June 2, 2014 at 3:57 PM

In answer to your exit question, no, they should not be treated like POWs. And they aren’t treated like that. When Pvt. Charles Jenkins returned from North Korea 39 years after deserting his post along the Korean demilitarized zone, he was tried by court martial and found guilty of desertion. He was sentenced to 30 days confinement and given a dishonorable discharge. The same should apply to Bergdahl. His case should be investigated and if the evidence indicates possible desertion then his commander must prefer charges against him. I don’t see any way around it. But, then again this is the age of Obama, and with the eunuch’s we have currently occupying the big offices with big leather chairs in the Pentagon, nothing would surprise me.

WarEagle01 on June 2, 2014 at 3:57 PM

Just remember…In every Afghan is a freedom loving, equal rights for everyone American trying to get out.

acetylene420 on June 2, 2014 at 4:00 PM

acetylene420 on June 2, 2014 at 3:56 PM

Learn to spell.

creatin Bush

Cretin.

thatsafactjack on June 2, 2014 at 4:09 PM

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