EPA diving into uncharted legal waters with new regulations for existing power plants

posted at 2:01 pm on June 1, 2014 by Erika Johnsen

Leave it to the Obama Environmental Protection Agency to plumb the heretofore untested depths of regulatory legerdemain to justify their environmentalist central planning.

The Obama administration’s forthcoming regulations on existing power plants — i.e., the main course of their proffered climate-change menu, set for release this week — were always going to spark a whole host of legal challenges no matter what provisions they used for their justification. The negative economic impact the new rules will have on a bunch of states and industries is certainly going to make it worth their while, and part of the EPA’s task in devising the rules was to find the best way possible to protect them from these challenges.

Evidently, they think they’ve found it. Via the WSJ:

The expected legal battle over the Obama administration’s coming limits on carbon emissions from existing power plants could provide a rarity for environmental litigation: a case for which there is scant court precedent.

The Environmental Protection Agency is turning to a little-used provision of the Clean Air Act for its new rules, because carbon dioxide isn’t regulated under major Clean Air Act programs that address air pollutants. The EPA says it has only used the section, called 111(d), to regulate five sources of pollutants since the provision was enacted in 1970—and none on the scale of CO2, a major greenhouse gas.

Because the provision has been invoked so rarely, courts have had little opportunity to weigh in on it, creating the unusual circumstance in which potential challengers to the carbon rules would be litigating largely on a blank slate against the EPA. The Clean Air Act provision gives the agency authority to regulate pollutants emitted by facilities already in operation, but the expected lawsuits from states and industry could test how far a president can go in using the long-standing air-pollution law to try to address climate change.

Unfortunately, the EPA has been on something of a legal winning streak lately, and the eco-radical lobby is in a tizzy of excitement over these latest and greatest regulations. The Obama administration has been in preemptive defense mode, and we can all look forward to a whole lot more of this over the coming days:


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Welcome to the Dark Ages.

crankyoldlady on June 1, 2014 at 2:05 PM

The EPA has gone rogue and needs to be pulled back via Congress. I just hope that Republicans win the Senate in November and get to work.

SC.Charlie on June 1, 2014 at 2:08 PM

I didn’t think the EPA could do anything illegal. I thought SCOTUS granted them all the power.

Cindy Munford on June 1, 2014 at 2:09 PM

The EPA has gone rogue and needs to be pulled back via Congress. I just hope that Republicans win the Senate in November and get to work.

SC.Charlie on June 1, 2014 at 2:08 PM

Doesn’t look like this election is going to accomplish anything, unfortunately, and that is even if the GOP gets the Senate.

And looking at our 2016 prospects, I don’t see that changing much either.

Except for the 8 years of Ronald Reagan, the last 114 years has been an unrestrained OFFENSIVE for unchecked government power.

ConstantineXI on June 1, 2014 at 2:10 PM

This is the same EPA that claims jurisdiction over the drool on my pillow as a Navigable Water of The United States?

trubble on June 1, 2014 at 2:10 PM

Will this lower my utility bills by 2,500 per cent?

Meremortal on June 1, 2014 at 2:11 PM

The EPA has gone rogue and needs to be pulled back via Congress…
SC.Charlie on June 1, 2014 at 2:08 PM

Correction: Not “pulled back”, shut down. Completely.

Rusty Bill on June 1, 2014 at 2:13 PM

Watch out Phil Robertson. I predict they will ban him from any waterway, lake, pond, creek, gully, drainage ditch, mud puddle etc. they will come after him and others like him like there is no tomorrow. Can we as a nation survive these progressives? Patriots Unite!

Herb on June 1, 2014 at 2:14 PM

I agree with the President. Electricity is bad and should be banned forever. But, I’m curious. When we go back to burning oil lamps, don’t they give off something? Shouldn’t we ban those, too?

What if we ban artificial light and electricity and make it a law that you can only be awake during the daytime.

That should do it.

IndieDogg on June 1, 2014 at 2:14 PM

and the eco-radical lobby is in a tizzy of excitement over these latest and greatest regulations.

The same people who pine for the days of living in a peat hut and scavenging for grubs to fill their stomachs, even as they use the latest petroleum-derived technology and hardware to lobby for a return to the stone age?

Bishop on June 1, 2014 at 2:16 PM

War on Coal. Destroys good jobs. Makes no use of our plentiful coal reserves. No showing it will improve the quality of the air where coal plants are being forced to shut down. Then, all in the name of Global Warming, when China especially is producing so much more coal CO2 than we are, and it’s not been shown either the value or cost effectiveness of efforts to curb global warming, or the extent of global warming caused by greater CO2 emissions.

In short, the War on Coal is a liberal bugaboo, a shibboleth, that will have the effect of increasing the cost of energy, and nothing else. So they can feel like they’re good people. When the poor and vanishing middle class will have trouble paying for the higher cost of energy, will they still feel like they’re good people?

LashRambo on June 1, 2014 at 2:18 PM

Turn out the lights.

Murphy9 on June 1, 2014 at 2:21 PM

The EPA has gone rogue and needs to be pulled back via Congress…
SC.Charlie on June 1, 2014 at 2:08 PM

I still despise the EPA if only for creating a literal bedbug infestation in Cincinnati, Dayton, and Columbus by banning the pesticide that had nearly eradicated the pest. Even then Gov Strickland (D-OH) wrote the EPA begging them for us to use it. So we’ve brought back bedbugs from the brink of extinction. Great. It’s like bringing back smallpox.

LashRambo on June 1, 2014 at 2:22 PM

Want to know why American Industry collapsed in the 1970′s?

The EPA was created by Nixon (the original RINO) in 1970.

Industry had survived Big Labor since the 1920′s. It had largely been booming since World War II. However, by 1970, American Industry, which was largely pre-World War II was having to compete with serious competition from European and Japanese Industry (all post World War II) and needed to modernize and re-tool to keep up.

It was unable to because of the additional costs imposed by the EPA, which is why between the parasitic unions and the parasitic EPA, Industry was in free fall collapse by the end of the decade, and largely has never recovered.

ConstantineXI on June 1, 2014 at 2:22 PM

You know who had it good, those plucky folks who lived during the Dark Ages; they knew the joys of rampant disease, hunger, filth beyond description, and a general standard of living which pegged their life expectancy in the mid 40′s.

Those had to have been happy times, some might even say it made the people stronger and more appreciative of the little things, certainly not like you pampered fuds who need inoculations and healthy teeth just to get through your useless day.

Bishop on June 1, 2014 at 2:22 PM

will they still feel like they’re good people?

LashRambo on June 1, 2014 at 2:18 PM

Feelings have absolutely nothing to do with intelligent rational thought, so of course they will.

oscarwilde on June 1, 2014 at 2:23 PM

You lot sure are a hateful lot. Electricity will flow like wine, be cheaper than it ever has been and clean enough for mother Gaia, once the Enviro-Nazi’s have reduced the earth surplus population by 6 billion people.

oscarwilde on June 1, 2014 at 2:26 PM

I agree with the President. Electricity is bad and should be banned forever. But, I’m curious. When we go back to burning oil lamps, don’t they give off something? Shouldn’t we ban those, too?

What if we ban artificial light and electricity and make it a law that you can only be awake during the daytime.

That should do it.

IndieDogg on June 1, 2014 at 2:14 PM

I’m fully in favor of nice, clean whale oil.

rbj on June 1, 2014 at 2:27 PM

You lot sure are a hateful lot. Electricity will flow like wine, be cheaper than it ever has been and clean enough for mother Gaia, once the Enviro-Nazi’s have reduced the earth surplus population by 6 billion people.

oscarwilde on June 1, 2014 at 2:26 PM

Part of the Obama Legacy: Soon a nighttime satellite photo of the US will look like this

South Korea represents what the US looks like now, when all the peasants could afford to have light at night. North Korea represens the Glorious Future, only the Almighty CAPITOL, home of our Betters will have light at night, because they will use it wisely, unlike us.

ConstantineXI on June 1, 2014 at 2:30 PM

“legerdemain”

Heh..

I think I love you, Erika. ;)

wolly4321 on June 1, 2014 at 2:32 PM

Turn out the lights.

Murphy9 on June 1, 2014 at 2:21 PM

Exactly.The house should pass a bill that only traffic and hospital lights can be on at night.All lit advertising on businesses,signs,billboards,etc.etc.must be shut off at dark.If they are going to play,play hardball.Look at the energy that can be saved.Pass a bill like that and see what happens.

docflash on June 1, 2014 at 2:33 PM

The EPA says it has only used the section, called 111(d), to regulate five sources of pollutants since the provision was enacted in 1970—and none on the scale of CO2, a major greenhouse gas.

We need the plants to breathe more frequently!! C’mon, now…all together! INHALE…2….3…4…EXHALE…2…3…4…INHALE…2…
Hey, you there! Yeah, you, the hyacinth on Park Place! Get with the program…

Newtie and the Beauty on June 1, 2014 at 2:38 PM

Somehow they need to combat the idea that CO2 is a scientifically proven “pollutant”. That idea is laughable and under no circumstances should the EPA get to regulate something as a “pollutant” when it is no such thing.

I’m so disgusted to be living in Bizzaro world.

deadrody on June 1, 2014 at 2:39 PM

“legerdemain”

Heh..

I think I love you, Erika. ;)

wolly4321 on June 1, 2014 at 2:32 PM

I looked it up. Just had a vague idea of its meaning. I think now, manipulation; trickery. “from Middle French leger de main light of hand”. I also looked up “heretofore” to be sure she spelled it right. I’m on her case. But I won’t have Erika to kick around any more, because, gentlemen, this is her last press conference.

/Hat tip, Nixon, 1962

LashRambo on June 1, 2014 at 2:39 PM

You what kills me about these morons? If they truly wanted low carbon emissions, they could easily get it with nuclear plants, which have very low environmental impacts (mainly consisting of heated water discharges).

But instead, they go all out against those as well. They prop up these inefficient, expensive, crap ideas like wind and solar, showing that they have absolutely no idea how a power grid works – you can’t get a base load with shite like that.

I swear these people want to bring us back to the stone age. Where would you charge your iPad then, hippie?

specialkayel on June 1, 2014 at 2:44 PM

Who could have guessed that the War on Carbon is really just Deep Ecologists Waging their War on Carbon based bipedal humanoids?

Murphy9 on June 1, 2014 at 2:44 PM

Now when my little girl threatens to hold her breath until she gets her way, I can retort: “Good job, chickadee, you’re doing your part to save Mother Gaia. Daddy is very proud of you, when you’re done please go outside and pile up mud for our new house.”

Bishop on June 1, 2014 at 2:44 PM

We need the plants to breathe more frequently!! C’mon, now…all together! INHALE…2….3…4…EXHALE…2…3…4…INHALE…2…
Hey, you there! Yeah, you, the hyacinth on Park Place! Get with the program…

Newtie and the Beauty on June 1, 2014 at 2:38 PM

You may have hit on something here. We need to increase the rate of plant respiration. I say we submit an application for a grant from the EPA to study plant exercise as a means of increasing the rate of respiration in plants. Say, 10 million dollars for Petunia Pilates. It’s worth it if we save the Earth!

trubble on June 1, 2014 at 2:50 PM

Congress put in a control on EPA over-regulating – BUT it requires both House and Senate to agree they’ve overstepped their authority. Lacking that, the presumption is always going to be that whatever they are doing is acceptable to Congress.

This has become a rogue agency. They have gotten worse under Obama with Democrats in control in the Senate to block Congress from stopping them, but they’ve been doing this crap for decades.

One classic trick they use to get regulations in place without all those messy hearings and comment periods that give opponents time to organize is to have an environmental group sue them for it. Then in the early stages of the case, EPA just enters a Consent Decree with the group to implement the regulation they want. Since it is a court order, no public hearings or comment, just the rules. Dozens of the most egregious rules have been put in place in this way.

Adjoran on June 1, 2014 at 2:51 PM

Let. It. Burn.

Let them go after CO2 and make power and heat unaffordable. Nothing will demonstrate the insanity of the totalitarian fascist democrats than the wallet. I’m also for raising taxes on everyone.

While the people of America think that there will be no harm with new leftist policies, I say let them feel the harm.

Let.
It.
Burn!

jukin3 on June 1, 2014 at 2:51 PM

Anyone up for a laugh? Check out the oral arguement provided by MA et al to FORCE the EPA to regulate carbon dioxide–the stuff you exhale and plants (at least before they were unionized and started to slack off on the job…) inhale:

Massachusetts v Environmental Protection Agency

http://www.oyez.org/cases/2000-2009/2006/2006_05_1120

Even worse, check out the yahoos who fell for MA et al’s whining line of el toro poo-poo reasoning, especially the loss of state lands due to rising sea levels…

Newtie and the Beauty on June 1, 2014 at 2:53 PM

We need the plants to breathe more frequently!! C’mon, now…all together! INHALE…2….3…4…EXHALE…2…3…4…INHALE…2…
Hey, you there! Yeah, you, the hyacinth on Park Place! Get with the program…

Newtie and the Beauty on June 1, 2014 at 2:38 PM

You may have hit on something here. We need to increase the rate of plant respiration. I say we submit an application for a grant from the EPA to study plant exercise as a means of increasing the rate of respiration in plants. Say, 10 million dollars for Petunia Pilates. It’s worth it if we save the Earth!

trubble on June 1, 2014 at 2:50 PM

Ya know, someone mentioned nuclear plants above, and I started thinking, why not? It worked for Godzilla…

Kraken on June 1, 2014 at 2:55 PM

100% fraud, lies, and crime to tax and spend by the commie thug Earth First/Greenpeace/Hell No We Will Not Go/ nut job dope smoking loon liberals of the U.N. cargo cult.

http://www.wattsupwiththat.com/

See Prof. Daniel Botkin’s vid on watts up site as well as the paper there the Prof. put into the House record.

No longer should the current commie/loon/hate U.S./Democrat Party be allowed to continue the crime operations they now operate out in the open due to the msm co/incest involved in the crimes.

Just say no total to each and every one of them it is nothing more than an evil cult of perverse power over each of U.S..

APACHEWHOKNOWS on June 1, 2014 at 2:55 PM

You may have hit on something here. We need to increase the rate of plant respiration. I say we submit an application for a grant from the EPA to study plant exercise as a means of increasing the rate of respiration in plants. Say, 10 million dollars for Petunia Pilates. It’s worth it if we save the Earth!
trubble on June 1, 2014 at 2:50 PM

Ya know, someone mentioned nuclear plants above, and I started thinking, why not? It worked for Godzilla…
Kraken on June 1, 2014 at 2:55 PM

Exercise ALL of the plants…we might have to cancel some of the track and field events, though…

Newtie and the Beauty on June 1, 2014 at 2:57 PM

You what kills me about these morons? If they truly wanted low carbon emissions, they could easily get it with nuclear plants, which have very low environmental impacts (mainly consisting of heated water discharges).

But instead, they go all out against those as well. They prop up these inefficient, expensive, crap ideas like wind and solar, showing that they have absolutely no idea how a power grid works – you can’t get a base load with shite like that.

I swear these people want to bring us back to the stone age. Where would you charge your iPad then, hippie?

specialkayel on June 1, 2014 at 2:44 PM

Even more perverse, they have declared hydroelectric generation to be a “non-renewable” energy source.

slickwillie2001 on June 1, 2014 at 2:59 PM

Even more perverse, they have declared hydroelectric generation to be a “non-renewable” energy source.
slickwillie2001 on June 1, 2014 at 2:59 PM

They might have a point, there, Willie…that water molecule might never pass that way again…

Newtie and the Beauty on June 1, 2014 at 3:00 PM

Hitler put the Jews in the ovens with the use of the legal system voted in at the time there in Germany .

Obama and the EPA are in the act of putting U.S. down and out without heat or cooling or jobs or health care or freedom or this now gone rule of law, they use the law to kill U.S..

And all anyone has to say ,,,”Well the EPA is acting within the law.”

same dung, second coming….

APACHEWHOKNOWS on June 1, 2014 at 3:03 PM

VPN still working Erika. We’ll miss you.

DarkCurrent on June 1, 2014 at 3:05 PM

We do at least have one Left approved fuel for generating electricity: Burning babies.

You see, now they have a SECOND thing besides fetal stem cell research (which has never led to anything) to turn abortion into something HEROIC!

ConstantineXI on June 1, 2014 at 3:06 PM

They might have a point, there, Willie…that water molecule might never pass that way again…

Newtie and the Beauty on June 1, 2014 at 3:00 PM

The cursed dihydrogen monoxide? Oh noes, not THAT!!!!11!

Kraken on June 1, 2014 at 3:06 PM

Free speech harms the EPA’s ability to control CO2 thus free speech must be curtailed.

The Pres. will have the NSA take care of this problem forthwith.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on June 1, 2014 at 3:07 PM

Obama’s #WarOnAmerica

faraway on June 1, 2014 at 3:16 PM

Would Putin have done anything different than Obama?

- Gave GM to the Italians
- Destroyed jobs
- Destroyed the health insurance industry
- Exploded the deficit with nonsensical programs like Clunkers, and Solyndra
- Released our enemies
- Drop millions of illegals off at bus stations around the country

faraway on June 1, 2014 at 3:22 PM

Free speech harms the EPA’s ability to control CO2 thus free speech must be curtailed.

The Pres. will have the NSA take care of this problem forthwith.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on June 1, 2014 at 3:07 PM

SHHH!!! Don’t give them any IDEAS!

ConstantineXI on June 1, 2014 at 3:25 PM

One classic trick they use to get regulations in place without all those messy hearings and comment periods that give opponents time to organize is to have an environmental group sue them for it. Then in the early stages of the case, EPA just enters a Consent Decree with the group to implement the regulation they want. Since it is a court order, no public hearings or comment, just the rules. Dozens of the most egregious rules have been put in place in this way.

Adjoran on June 1, 2014 at 2:51 PM

Spot on – this is actually one of the most scandalous tools that EPA uses. They coordinate with the environmental groups, the groups will sue them, and then they’ll drop the case, getting the court to force them to adopt regs that they want. Florida got nailed with that in 2009 with numeric nutrient standards that the rest of the states don’t have.

Another overlooked part of this is that the environmental groups are able to sue EPA like they do because they get paid win or lose. It’a racket that the lawyers love – they get paid either way. Shut off the money line to them, and much of this crap would disappear.

specialkayel on June 1, 2014 at 3:26 PM

We will lose. We have lost the will and the moral high ground to fight the good fight.

tomas on June 1, 2014 at 3:29 PM

Another overlooked part of this is that the environmental groups are able to sue EPA like they do because they get paid win or lose. It’a racket that the lawyers love – they get paid either way. Shut off the money line to them, and much of this crap would disappear.

specialkayel on June 1, 2014 at 3:26 PM

An integral part of this scheme is corrupt courts and judges.

WHY does every enviro-communist group in the world get to sue the EPA, but Joe Q. Citizen does not have STANDING to sue them and every other infringing alphabet-soup?

ConstantineXI on June 1, 2014 at 3:32 PM

Even more perverse, they have declared hydroelectric generation to be a “non-renewable” energy source.

slickwillie2001 on June 1, 2014 at 2:59 PM

LOL I hadn’t heard about that. I guess only the Party Approved methods (i.e. funnels money to Dem cronies) will count as renewable – they must have forgotten to send a check.

specialkayel on June 1, 2014 at 3:35 PM

At the least, the EPA must be hobbled, in the best case, completely wiped off the face of the planet.

When will we wake up and realize that those we elect are only doing half (at best) of the “governing” in this country. The rest is done by clerks and pencil pushers over whom WE THE PEOPLE have no control.

We need to elect REAL leaders who will strip all power and authority from the unelected and take back the powers that are due first to the States and then Congress.
Only then will this nation have any chance of survival.

flatlander on June 1, 2014 at 3:35 PM

If I owned a power plant, I would SHUT IT DOWN. Fire everyone and turn off the juice.

At what point do our producers ( I mean this in a Ayn Randian senses) go on strike?

We don’t NEED face-crap or google-spy. We do need food, shelter, electricity and oil.

MistyLane on June 1, 2014 at 3:37 PM

water

Ever get thisty?

What do dams do?

Lakes?

Water.

EPA regulations make lakes almost impossible.

Some in the U.S. will have no water soon.

The EPA is the evil standing in the way.

facts do count when your out of water

APACHEWHOKNOWS on June 1, 2014 at 3:46 PM

water

Ever get thisty?

What do dams do?

Lakes?

Water.

EPA regulations make lakes almost impossible.

Some in the U.S. will have no water soon.

The EPA is the evil standing in the way.

facts do count when your out of water

APACHEWHOKNOWS on June 1, 2014 at 3:46 PM

http://www.theburningplatform.com/2014/05/30/peak-water/

Murphy9 on June 1, 2014 at 3:48 PM

underfire says:

It’s not just the Southwest getting hit by drought, I never thought I’d see it but I will have no cattle by the end of this year. Ten years ago I was selling 2000+ calves annually. As we speak, I’m weaning 200# calves and sending good mothers to slaughter. Giving away fine saddle horses, 200+ dollar feeder hay if you can find it.. ….Calif./Oregon border.

But to be honest it’s a combinations of things, it’s also increasingly heavy handed big brother, a collapsed work ethic among the young, sky rocketing input cost equating to increased risk, an overwhelming urge to be hunkering down, etc.

Murphy9 on June 1, 2014 at 3:50 PM

Murphy9 on June 1, 2014 at 3:50 PM

I am so, so very sorry for you and your animals. I’m teary eyed at the moment. You are among a group of people that are bearing the brunt right now, but eventually all of us will.

Please, God. Help us. Please.

avagreen on June 1, 2014 at 3:56 PM

Looks like I’m going to have to get a crew for my new whaling ship.
My new oil lamps ain’t gonna burn themselves.

StubbornGreenBurros on June 1, 2014 at 3:57 PM

avagreen on June 1, 2014 at 3:56 PM

Oops, read it closer. You’re quoting, not commenting. I still have the same thoughts.

avagreen on June 1, 2014 at 3:58 PM

I think the power companies should pick July 4th as a test date to see how the grid works with all of the power plants slated to be closed are turned off. Very few businesses affected on a holiday, it would be great seeing fireworks with no background light as the entire Eastern Seaboard would be blacked out.

Jay Galt on June 1, 2014 at 3:59 PM

He wants the country to collapse. There is no other explanation at this point.

V7_Sport on June 1, 2014 at 4:00 PM

underfire says:

It’s not just the Southwest getting hit by drought, I never thought I’d see it but I will have no cattle by the end of this year. Ten years ago I was selling 2000+ calves annually. As we speak, I’m weaning 200# calves and sending good mothers to slaughter. Giving away fine saddle horses, 200+ dollar feeder hay if you can find it.. ….Calif./Oregon border.

But to be honest it’s a combinations of things, it’s also increasingly heavy handed big brother, a collapsed work ethic among the young, sky rocketing input cost equating to increased risk, an overwhelming urge to be hunkering down, etc.

Murphy9 on June 1, 2014 at 3:50 PM

Can Barry and Mooch still get all the Wagyu beef they can eat? Okay then, everything’s just fine.

slickwillie2001 on June 1, 2014 at 4:02 PM

It’s not just the Southwest getting hit by drought, I never thought I’d see it but I will have no cattle by the end of this year. Ten years ago I was selling 2000+ calves annually. As we speak, I’m weaning 200# calves and sending good mothers to slaughter. Giving away fine saddle horses, 200+ dollar feeder hay if you can find it.. ….Calif./Oregon border.

Murphy9 on June 1, 2014 at 3:50 PM

So letting it burn isn’t achieving the desired results. Check.

V7_Sport on June 1, 2014 at 4:03 PM

He wants the country to collapse. There is no other explanation at this point.

V7_Sport on June 1, 2014 at 4:00 PM

Barry’s strategy: If it ain’t broke, fix it until it is.

slickwillie2001 on June 1, 2014 at 4:03 PM

Oops, read it closer. You’re quoting, not commenting. I still have the same thoughts.

avagreen on June 1, 2014 at 3:58 PM

A friend’s family has run a hobby farm for forty years. Last year was the final one. All the cows have been sold off and the land will rest. Margins grew too thin to justify the risk. I wish Badger40 would chime in. She has insight into ranching.

Murphy9 on June 1, 2014 at 4:04 PM

No warming for 20 years, in fact more likely cooling is in place.

A cooler planet is a dryer planet.

Lies kill.

Truth is life.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on June 1, 2014 at 4:19 PM

How much carbon tax will the potheads have to pay every time they light up?

Jayrae on June 1, 2014 at 4:21 PM

Mark Knoller @markknoller · May 30

Pres Obama also taping his Saturday Weekly Address at the hospital – focusing on the new emission standards to be announced by EPA Monday.

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Mark Knoller @markknoller · May 30

WH says Pres Obama meeting w/ kids being treated for asthma, an illness exacerbated by air pollution – such as power plant carbon emissions.

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Mark Knoller @markknoller · May 30

Pres Obama now visiting Children’s National Medical Center pegged to Monday’s EPA announcement tightening power plant carbon emissions.

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canopfor on June 1, 2014 at 4:24 PM

EPA<——( replace with any 3 letter government agency) diving into uncharted legal waters with new regulations for (replace with any minuet detail or facet of your life)——> existing power plants

KOOLAID2 on June 1, 2014 at 4:49 PM

The power companies should respond by closing all coal-fired power plants….with a months notice.
Rolling blackouts.

Then Lord Barry can nationalize the power grid.

Tard on June 1, 2014 at 4:52 PM

I have to wonder just how long the American people will tolerate a Government out of control. The Consititution never envisioned a central government with the kind of control execised by this government. I believe this is why the second amendment was included in the bill of rights. Is it not time to throw these people out or do we wait until the damage they do cannot be repaired?

Zelsdorf Ragshaft on June 1, 2014 at 5:01 PM

First thing we do is CUT OFF all electricity and POL products to Washington DC.

GarandFan on June 1, 2014 at 5:24 PM

I think the power companies should pick July 4th as a test date to see how the grid works with all of the power plants slated to be closed are turned off. Very few businesses affected on a holiday, it would be great seeing fireworks with no background light as the entire Eastern Seaboard would be blacked out.

Jay Galt on June 1, 2014 at 3:59 PM

They really don’t have to test that out. We know pretty well what would happen. It would get very very dark very quickly and stay that way for a long time. It’s called a cascading power outage and it takes a lot less than losing 40% generation to initiate one. Especially on peak load days. It would also be a serious crime to willfully do that. You would not be able to just flip a switch and turn the lights back on either. It’s a lot more complicated than that. Also it wouldn’t just be the Eastern seaboard that lost power from the loss of that much generation.

Oldnuke on June 1, 2014 at 6:01 PM

The power companies should respond by closing all coal-fired power plants….with a months notice.
Rolling blackouts.

Then Lord Barry can nationalize the power grid.

Tard on June 1, 2014 at 4:52 PM

As I said above this sounds good as in “Let’s show them.” Unfortunately it’s a really bad idea. Barry can nationalize all he wants but even he can’t amend the laws of physics and engineering.

Oldnuke on June 1, 2014 at 6:04 PM

It’s what they call….FASCISM

http://www.westernjournalism.com/flashback-ronald-reagan-defines-fascism-44-seconds/

PappyD61 on June 1, 2014 at 6:42 PM

http://www.westernjournalism.com/flashback-ronald-reagan-defines-fascism-44-seconds/

PappyD61 on June 1, 2014 at 6:42 PM

*clapping* Why isn’t there anyone out there today saying these things!?

Murphy9 on June 1, 2014 at 6:44 PM

Obama climate change plan
Barack Obama

47m
Report: President Obama told congressional Democrats to ‘go on the offense’ to promote climate rule, sources say – @BloombergNews
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Barack Obama
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Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., vows to introduce legislation blocking President Obama’s rules on existing power plants – @joshledermanAP
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Barack Obama
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White House official: President Obama called Senate and House Democrats today to thank them for their support of the EPA carbon pollution standards – @jeffmason1
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electricity
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EPA will propose a rule seeking a 30% cut in carbon dioxide emissions from power plants by 2030 – @WSJ
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oil
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EPA proposes changes to oil refinery rules that would compel operators to monitor benzene emissions, upgrade storage tank emission controls, ensure waste gases are properly destroyed and adopt new emission standards for delayed coking units – @AP

canopfor on June 1, 2014 at 8:37 PM

The EPA has gone rogue and needs to be pulled back via Congress. I just hope that Republicans win the Senate in November and get to work.
SC.Charlie on June 1, 2014 at 2:08 PM

You do realize of course that the 2 same sex senators from AZ and SC are Republicans right?

Brock Robamney on June 2, 2014 at 5:43 AM

Americans need to get on board the ‘BACKWARDS’ movement, countering Obama’s Socialist ‘Forward’ movement and driving the emboldened, growing, intrussive, and oppressive government back into the ‘box’ where it can no longer threaten the Constitution, Law, and very existence of this nation!

easyt65 on June 2, 2014 at 7:31 AM

There aren’t enough wind mills or solar arrays to replace what the epa is going to shut down. People are going to freeze to death this winter which is a lot closer than the ocean rising enough to flush out downtown Miami. We are being governed by lunatics and the eat more twigs and berries crowd. Costa Rica is not big enough to hold all of us so we better get started on taking back what we can.

Kissmygrits on June 2, 2014 at 9:56 AM

Power companies should start taking off-line those plants in blue states closest to DC…..
Let’s let the rulers try to rule with no power – no A/C in the summer, no heat in the winter.
Let’s see what they think of their climate change efforts then.

redguy on June 2, 2014 at 11:17 AM

http://www.westernjournalism.com/flashback-ronald-reagan-defines-fascism-44-seconds/

PappyD61 on June 1, 2014 at 6:42 PM

*clapping* Why isn’t there anyone out there today saying these things!?

Murphy9 on June 1, 2014 at 6:44 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb8OjDj0we0

redguy on June 2, 2014 at 11:21 AM

Our current crisis is not the continued centralization of a central government; central government always moves in this direction. It is the silence of the sovereign states in the face of such regulation.

If we want to end this charade there is one simple step to do it. A state governor should declare that this regulation will NOT be implemented within the sovereign borders of XXXX state and that said governor has notified the energy industry within the state to not alter their emission standards. Let the EPA try and enforce their bureaucratic dictates’.

Meat Fighter on June 2, 2014 at 11:27 AM

AGAIN I ASK……why do we even have a Congress?

nonstopca on June 2, 2014 at 12:06 PM

We need the plants to breathe more frequently!! C’mon, now…all together! INHALE…2….3…4…EXHALE…2…3…4…INHALE…2…

The Obysmal EPA:

You can inhale, but not exhale, because that contains CO2!!!

No more bubbles in your soda or beer–it’s a dangerous air pollutant!

Don’t put yeast in your bread or cake either, it causes global warming! Time for the Feast of the Unleavened Bread…

Steve Z on June 2, 2014 at 1:07 PM