RINO revolt: Boehner allies plot to block his ouster as Speaker

posted at 3:21 pm on May 29, 2014 by Allahpundit

Alternate headline: “He’s not retiring.”

Thus dies the last hope of scaring Boehner into staying away from amnesty this year.

A group of his closest allies — including fellow Ohio Republicans like Pat Tiberi — are discussing tactics such as trying to change GOP Conference rules to punish members who do not support the party’s nominee during a floor vote. A lawmaker who bucks the Republicans’ choice for speaker could lose committee assignments — or worse. Boehner’s allies have already stripped some Republicans of their committee assignments for straying too far from the team.

In a sign of force, some of Boehner’s friends are considering releasing a letter with the names of several dozen GOP lawmakers pledging to vote for no one else besides the speaker — making the election of a more conservative rival logistically impossible…

In the upper chamber, Republicans have a fighting chance to take back the majority for the first time since 2006. People close to Boehner doubt he would leave if Congress is controlled by Republicans

[Tim] Huelskamp, one of the driving forces to unseat Boehner, has already lost his seat on the Agriculture Committee. There are murmurs among Boehner’s friends about supporting a Republican against Huelskamp in 2016, though they haven’t backed an opponent for him during the current cycle.

Naturally, the pro-Boehner coalition is waiting until after the primaries are over to release their “nobody but John” cri de coeur. Everyone understand how the math works here, by the way? You need a clear majority of the House, i.e. 218 votes, to be elected Speaker at the opening session in January. If no one gets that on the first ballot, they hold a second, and then a third if necessary, and then a fourth, etc. The GOP should have somewhere in the ballpark of 240 seats, which means that a bloc of 23 Republicans — if they’re willing to stand firm and stick together — can effectively stop anyone from becoming Speaker by leaving him stuck at 217 votes. At last check, there were something like 40 or 50 tea partiers weighing whether to vote against Boehner. If they resolve to vote together on each ballot, Boehner will continue to fall short of 218 until, eventually, the House Republican majority will abandon him altogether and nominate an alternative candidate whom both the establishment and the conservatives can agree on. But that strategy cuts both ways. If tea partiers block Boehner on the first ballot, a group of 23 or more Boehner allies could band together and resolve to vote for no one except Boehner, no matter how many ballots follow. In that case, there’d be a stalemate, with neither Boehner nor his opponent able to get to 218. What happens then?

Given how embarrassing it’d be for the GOP to open the House next year with a hugely nasty floor fight, presumably either Boehner or his challenger would withdraw from consideration after two or three ballots. But there’d have to be concessions to the losing side. If, as expected, it’s Boehner’s challenger who relents, he could make a deal with the leadership to guarantee that no tea partier will lose his committee assignments as punishment for voting against Boehner. Or maybe the ask will be even higher: If House conservatives really are fed up with Cantor’s amnesty nonsense, maybe they’ll demand that he be replaced as majority leader with someone they trust more, like Jeb Hensarling or Jim Jordan. In fact, I think it’s Hensarling’s appearance at Heritage last week, in which he refused to rule out running for Speaker, that spurred this new pushback from Boehner’s allies. (This story at CNN from a few days ago about conservatives plotting to get rid of him probably lit some fires too.) But even if the prospects of a rebellion against Boehner are overblown, it’s still useful to him and the rest of the leadership to flex their muscles this way ahead of the big amnesty push this summer. The weaker Boehner seems, the more likely fencesitters are to defy him on immigration. The message of today’s leak is “I’ll still be in charge next year and I’ll remember who crossed me.” That might win him a few extra votes for DREAM or ENLIST or whatever Cantor and his pal Luis Gutierrez have cooking these days. The bit above about primarying Huelskamp in 2016 if he keeps causing trouble for the leadership is a warning shot suggesting consequences to come if/when the business lobby finally goes all-in against the tea party.

Exit question: Do the conservative Boehner-haters in the House have the numbers and the nerve to hold out and block him from the Speakership, no matter how many ballots it takes? I’m trying to decide between “no” and “not a prayer.”


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It’s by design.

Bigbullets on May 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM

Go F yourself Boehner…

OmahaConservative on May 29, 2014 at 3:25 PM

I agree, RINOs are revolting.

birdwatcher on May 29, 2014 at 3:25 PM

I’m trying to decide between “no” and “not a prayer.”

Nope always works.

upinak on May 29, 2014 at 3:26 PM

But even if the prospects of a rebellion against Boehner are overblown, it’s still useful to him and the rest of the leadership to flex their muscles this way ahead of the big amnesty push this summer. The weaker Boehner seems, the more likely fencesitters are to defy him on immigration. The message of today’s leak is “I’ll still be in charge next year and I’ll remember who crossed me.”

Dangerous assumption on the part of Boehner and his allies if The Big Amnesty Push results in a surprisingly unexpectedly diminished conservative voter turnout this November, the GOP fails to take the Senate, and the House actually loses GOP representatives.

The fencesitters would be the first to turn Boehner out of the Speakership.

de rigueur on May 29, 2014 at 3:27 PM

The establishment GOP is no better than then Dems. The scary part is our freedom and liberty are at risk.

We have choice. Go China or stay America. I think it’s that simple. Because that’s 50 years our future.

Oil Can on May 29, 2014 at 3:28 PM

If anyone on the conservative side still thinks these people aren’t our enemies….

preallocated on May 29, 2014 at 3:29 PM

Boehner is perhaps the worst Speaker in the history of Congress. In a period where we faced a myriad of critical challenges and needed a strong opposition voice he’s accomplished nothing.

We’ve been left to the whims of an an imperial president and a rogue Senate without any defense. We are lesser as a nation because Mr. Boehner is not, nor has he ever been a true leader. He is both a symptom and symbol of all that is generally wrong with Washington. Detached, career bureaucrats mostly concerned with how they will be perceived, measuring themselves only by longevity and the alliances they maintain- not the principles they’ve upheld or the righteous battles they fought.

Boehner’s a relic, like a dinosaur. He and everyone like him without courage needs to go for this nation to heal.

Marcus Traianus on May 29, 2014 at 3:30 PM

Hold on at all costs! The important thing is that you’re a career politician! Don’t let anyone diminish that achievement for a minute!

Amnesty now! Amnesty tomorrow!! Amnesty forever!!!

Akzed on May 29, 2014 at 3:30 PM

RINO revolt: Boehner allies/HotAir plot to block his ouster as Speaker

Better

reddevil on May 29, 2014 at 3:30 PM

Some people just don’t know when it is time to go. John, just pack up the mini-bar, grab the complimentary robe and shampoo and move to K Street. As one of my past Bartenders would say at closing “you don’t have to go home, you just can’t stay here”.

Whiterock on May 29, 2014 at 3:31 PM

I’m going to continue to reserve judgment on Speaker Boehner. The question I ask myself is, “Is him resigning going to get us to the bottom of the problem?”

Christien on May 29, 2014 at 3:31 PM

No amnesty. Why doesn’t Boehner and his crew get it?

LASue on May 29, 2014 at 3:32 PM

More passengers for the crazy train… Boehner is fighting Obama to be the conductor of the crazy train, the train left the rails, while on the highest train trellis on earth. This will not end well for anyone.

oscarwilde on May 29, 2014 at 3:34 PM

Worst POTUS, Worst Majority Leader House, Worst Speaker of House, Worst Majority Leader in Senate. ALL NEED TO GO!

Whiterock on May 29, 2014 at 3:34 PM

Prediction – by the third ballot, Bo(eh)ner and his clique will vote for Pelosi, and they will be the only RepublicRAT members of every committee.

Steve Eggleston on May 29, 2014 at 3:35 PM

Head fake here

jake-the-goose on May 29, 2014 at 3:36 PM

I love GOP apologists.

Everyone on here – you still going to vote GOP?

You still believe that voting GOP accomplishes anything but the left’s agenda?

The GOP is using you. Every vote for a GOP candidate is a vote for the left’s agenda.

it really is that simple.

As long as Boehner and anyone like Boehner has a position of power within the GOP, the GOP is a left of center party.

To claim otherwise is to lie.

I hope everyone who supports the GOP is happy with increased spending, more gov’t and amnesty. Because that is all you will ever get with the GOP.

Monkeytoe on May 29, 2014 at 3:37 PM

No amnesty. Why doesn’t Boehner and his crew get it?

LASue on May 29, 2014 at 3:32 PM

Money or evidence. Or money and evidence.

viking01 on May 29, 2014 at 3:37 PM

Let them try something like that, and many formerly-reliable Republicans will be pulling the blue lever, openly and loudly. I personally like my Congressman – he’s as conservative as it possibly gets in New Jersey – but if he joins this RINO stunt I’ll be pounding the pavement for his primary opponent and, failing that, for the Democrat.

Rix on May 29, 2014 at 3:37 PM

Prediction – by the third ballot, Bo(eh)ner and his clique will vote for Pelosi, and they will be the only RepublicRAT members of every committee.

Steve Eggleston on May 29, 2014 at 3:35 PM

Prediction noted, it’ll go in my prediction file right next to, Hillary Clinton divorces Bill and Marries Huma Abedin just before the 2016 election to win the gay vote.

oscarwilde on May 29, 2014 at 3:37 PM

The bit above about primarying Huelskamp in 2016 if he keeps causing trouble for the leadership is a warning shot suggesting consequences to come if/when the business lobby finally goes all-in against the tea party.

What, they’re not already all-in against us?

Steve Eggleston on May 29, 2014 at 3:37 PM

No amnesty. Why doesn’t Boehner and his crew get it?

LASue on May 29, 2014 at 3:32 PM

More like who didn’t see this coming? Quite a few conservatives were all over themselves when he was put in as speaker. Some conservatives who saw Boehner put in as speaker, were more like hell NO! I saw the red light… to bad no one else did.

upinak on May 29, 2014 at 3:38 PM

Bohner is no more the problem than Pelosi. It is the people who put them there which are the problem.

CW20 on May 29, 2014 at 3:41 PM

Weasel Boehner always has been a mumbling squish.

Much like a Trent Lott only obsessed with his fake tan instead of his fake hair and himself, of course.

viking01 on May 29, 2014 at 3:42 PM

Prediction noted, it’ll go in my prediction file right next to, Hillary Clinton divorces Bill and Marries Huma Abedin just before the 2016 election to win the gay vote.

oscarwilde on May 29, 2014 at 3:37 PM

By 2015 we will be able to adjust our Marriages to whatever feels good and right.

Whiterock on May 29, 2014 at 3:42 PM

This is one reason why Republicans lose elections. The elites will act like Democrats in order to protect their power. This also why conservatives don’t vote for RINOs. In-fighting at this time in the political realm is plain stupid.

cajunpatriot on May 29, 2014 at 3:42 PM

AP:

Here’s an interesting tactic. What happens if the TEA Party folks, and other disenchanted GOP Conservatives decide to band together and become Independent? If they could gather enough members to bring the House to a Tie between Dems and GOP, that would set THEM up as the King Makers in the house.

Sure, Boehner might still become Speaker, but it would be very hard to get anything passed without the support of such a block of Independents.

In all likelihood, it will never happen, I get that. But boy, wouldn’t that make for a fascinating parry of the RINO’s threats?

TKindred on May 29, 2014 at 3:42 PM

I hope everyone who supports the GOP is happy with increased spending, more gov’t and amnesty. Because that is all you will ever get with the GOP.

Monkeytoe on May 29, 2014 at 3:37 PM

So,,,, I assume you will vote for a third party who won’t get elected?

Fine if the answer is yes – but you can’t change the game sitting on the bench.

jake-the-goose on May 29, 2014 at 3:43 PM

wouldn’t that make for a fascinating parry of the RINO’s threats?

TKindred on May 29, 2014 at 3:42 PM

It would indeed

jake-the-goose on May 29, 2014 at 3:43 PM

Prediction noted, it’ll go in my prediction file right next to, Hillary Clinton divorces Bill and Marries Huma Abedin just before the 2016 election to win the gay vote.

oscarwilde on May 29, 2014 at 3:37 PM

She won’t have to since she’ll be widow before the 2016 election.

RickB on May 29, 2014 at 3:46 PM

The fencesitters would be the first to turn Boehner out of the Speakership.

de rigueur on May 29, 2014 at 3:27 PM

Once amnesty’s passed, though, he’ll be rewarded very handsomely and it won’t matter at that point whether he loses or not. He’ll be retiring in the Bahamas to live a life of idle luxury while the country collapses.

Here’s an interesting tactic. What happens if the TEA Party folks, and other disenchanted GOP Conservatives decide to band together and become Independent? If they could gather enough members to bring the House to a Tie between Dems and GOP, that would set THEM up as the King Makers in the house.

TKindred on May 29, 2014 at 3:42 PM

This is what I think needs to happen – as a start – for the Tea Party to have any real power. There will have to be either a “coup” replacing the Republican leadership or else they’ll have to break away, one of the two.

Doomberg on May 29, 2014 at 3:48 PM

So,,,, I assume you will vote for a third party who won’t get elected?

Fine if the answer is yes – but you can’t change the game sitting on the bench.

jake-the-goose on May 29, 2014 at 3:43 PM

By continually voting for the GOP how have you changed the game.

RickB on May 29, 2014 at 3:48 PM

The more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.

Keep Boehenr and lose the country.

If Obama had a House Speaker.. he’d look like Boehner.

JellyToast on May 29, 2014 at 3:50 PM

So,,,, I assume you will vote for a third party who won’t get elected?

Fine if the answer is yes – but you can’t change the game sitting on the bench.

jake-the-goose on May 29, 2014 at 3:43 PM

Yes. Blindly supporting the GOP while it pushes a leftist agenda “changes the game”.

That is exactly the delusion I was speaking of. The GOP hates conservatives and hates conservatism. It fights the right while assisting the left achieve all of the left’s goals.

But you claim to be “changing the game” by electing more GOP candidates? In what universe do you live?

I hear this same argument constantly, but it continues to make no sense.

If the GOP does everything in its power to demonstrate that it hates conservatives, hates conservatism, will punish members who actually stand for anything and will always push for more gov’t, more spending, amnesty – it still does not convince you?

I find your delusion amusing. Keep voting GOP. Maybe this time they will reduce spending. Maybe this time they will reduce gov’t?

I love that you believe the GOP is going to do anything but give the left what it wants – amnesty, Obamcare (Boehner and McConnell both stated they would not repeal it), more spending (the GOP has never reduced spending and never will), more entitlements, and more gov’t generally.

Yet – in your fantasy world your GOP vote “changes the game”.

Monkeytoe on May 29, 2014 at 3:50 PM

Doomberg on May 29, 2014 at 3:48 PM

Need new blood in before a coup happens.

upinak on May 29, 2014 at 3:51 PM

That Boehner remains speaker proves that the GOP is the DNC’s subsidiary.

If GOP incumbents actually believed anything they claim to believe, there is no way Boehner would remain speaker.

Boehner has been the best GOP speaker leftists could ever ask for.

Same is true for McConnell in the Senate.

That these two men are the leaders of the GOP demonstrates that the GOP is a leftist party.

Monkeytoe on May 29, 2014 at 3:53 PM

Cool! Dems are evil and corrupt, the GOP spineless & incompetent fools, even at disagreeing among themselves; what could go wrong?!

russedav on May 29, 2014 at 3:54 PM

Boehner seriously underestimates the resolve of the more conservative republicans. If the Tea Party were truly dead, why do we have 50 reps in the House who are questioning Boehner’s ability to lead? Being a firebrand in the House is nothing new… look at the entire history of our representatives in the House – I’m sure everyone was just stale as ten day old biscuits and agreed with everything the House Speaker had on his agenda.

Am I wrong?

Punishing the more conservative rank and file is a bad move. The reason why Boehner’s chairmanship is in trouble is because… wait for it… his refusal to work with the conservatives and to address those issues that most concern them.

I wouldn’t say the Tea Party crowd has been unsuccessful either. Our representatives have discovered certain special privileges – like pork spending – have become a rather taboo subject in these days of runaway deficit spending and over-taxation. And, oh joy of joys, how about that economic contraction last quarter?

The house chair belongs to someone who can work with the entire rank and file – not exclusionists like we have seen in Boehner, Pelosi, or Reid in the Senate… and then – there’s Obama – but he deserves extra special scrutiny which I can’t even begin to cover in one post.

Turtle317 on May 29, 2014 at 3:55 PM

Should anyone need further evidence that Boehner is useless just notice how easily ex-speaker Nanzi steals the limelight.

Sure, being crazy helps her but so does directness even if deranged.

viking01 on May 29, 2014 at 3:57 PM

Going to pop open Champagne the day that Boehner retires or gets ousted. Until then, I will rely on Tequila to get me through. :)

melle1228 on May 29, 2014 at 3:57 PM

I’m going to continue to reserve judgment on Speaker Boehner. The question I ask myself is, “Is him resigning going to get us to the bottom of the problem?”

Christien on May 29, 2014 at 3:31 PM

Heh. Good one.

SailorMark on May 29, 2014 at 4:00 PM

I’m beginning to think Boehner is working for the other team. Actually I’ve been thinking that awhile. He is a terribly weak specimen of a leader when we really need some strength.

DanMan on May 29, 2014 at 4:01 PM

Monkeytoe on May 29, 2014 at 3:37 PM

So,,,, I assume you will vote for a third party who won’t get elected?

Fine if the answer is yes – but you can’t change the game sitting on the bench.

jake-the-goose on May 29, 2014 at 3:43 PM

Monkeytoe can stay home or he can vote for the current crop of your rinos. Either way, we win because your rinos can always be counted on to move forward our agenda in the name of bipartisanship.

Pickle on May 29, 2014 at 4:01 PM

Good flush them out in the open so we know who they are.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 29, 2014 at 4:02 PM

That might win him a few extra votes for DREAM or ENLIST or whatever Cantor and his pal Luis Gutierrez have cooking these days.

Political seppuku…because Big Tent!

lineholder on May 29, 2014 at 4:02 PM

the House Republican majority will abandon him altogether and nominate an alternative candidate on whom both the establishment and the conservatives can agree on

fify allahpundint.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 29, 2014 at 4:04 PM

Good flush them out in the open so we know who they are.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 29, 2014 at 4:02 PM

Truly. I would love to see that list.

SailorMark on May 29, 2014 at 4:05 PM

Prediction – by the third ballot, Bo(eh)ner and his clique will vote for Pelosi, and they will be the only RepublicRAT members of every committee.

Steve Eggleston on May 29, 2014 at 3:35 PM

No, that won’t happen. By the third ballot, Bo(eh)ner and his clique will switch parties and give the majority to the RATS.

NOMOBO on May 29, 2014 at 4:05 PM

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 29, 2014 at 4:04 PM

Heh. Not just a sock, but a suck-up sock.

lineholder on May 29, 2014 at 4:06 PM

These are the same Republicans who led the party astray, during the Bush Presidency, these are the same Republicans that got rid of Gingrich, when he was the Speaker, and these are the same Republicans who believe being Democrat lite is the right thing to do. They’re the losers who refuse to come up with alternatives, because they don’t want to take a chance on losing an election.

I hope they’re willing to put their names on paper and the voters in their districts let them know they’re doing the wrong thing. The problem is we can’t elect a lying Democrat either since we know they won’t be telling the truth.

There’s only one goal, it’s the Senate. It’s not to take down Boehner, although he’s really not a good Speaker, it’s the Senate. The Democrats need to go before they try taking away what free speech we have left. They need to go for Rahming Obamacare down our throats. They need to go for allowing a President of their party to act extra-constitutionally. There’s a lot of reasons for them to be gone so Boehner is a small cog who can be handled later.

bflat879 on May 29, 2014 at 4:06 PM

No, that won’t happen. By the third ballot, Bo(eh)ner and his clique will switch parties and give the majority to the RATS.

NOMOBO on May 29, 2014 at 4:05 PM

If they do that, they will allow conservatives to be on committees, something Bo(eh)ner abhors.

Steve Eggleston on May 29, 2014 at 4:09 PM

Whig Party Forever.

portlandon on May 29, 2014 at 4:11 PM

I’m trying to decide between “no” and “not a prayer.”

And I’m trying to decide if I still give a crap whether the GOP continues to hold the House. I’m thinking ‘not’. What’s the difference between Boehner and Pelosi on amnesty?… none. So why the hell should I care who wins in November?

Murf76 on May 29, 2014 at 4:12 PM

This is great news … when Boehner and the RINO’s pass amnesty – real conservatives will WALK … WALK right out of the GOP.

It has to happen. The “Tory” GOP has become little more than a watered down version of the Marxist Dims.

Time for a new party … time to start our own UKIP. The RINO’s will find themselves cut off from food, water – and voters.

Sure … we won’t “win” at first … but then again – we’ve been LOSING with the GOP now since Reagan left office.

On to the next thing!

HondaV65 on May 29, 2014 at 4:13 PM

That Shining City on a Hill is just a “Welcome” sign at the Southern Border, paid for by you and I.

It’s over folks. America as we knew it is gone. We saw it die. We tried to save it. But it’s time to think of your families and your own interests now. The Republican party is not worth fighting for.

All is lost.

portlandon on May 29, 2014 at 4:15 PM

Perhaps there is a “not-so-wildcard” in this game of political chicken. I strongly suspect that the rank and file in the Republican Party want Boehner tossed out as speaker. If the conservatives in the Republican caucus want to influence the vote for speaker, they would help their cause by enlisting the support of the party base. If that becomes the case, “no and not a prayer” isn’t the slam-dunk establishment types would like to think.

Dan_NV on May 29, 2014 at 4:18 PM

Prediction noted, it’ll go in my prediction file right next to, Hillary Clinton divorces Bill and Marries Huma Abedin just before the 2016 election to win the gay vote.

oscarwilde on May 29, 2014 at 3:37 PM

Reality showpalooza!

tanked59 on May 29, 2014 at 4:18 PM

Exit question: Do the conservative Boehner-haters in the House have the numbers and the nerve to hold out and block him from the Speakership, no matter how many ballots it takes? I’m trying to decide between “no” and “not a prayer.”

Yes on the numbers. As for the nerve? We’ll see.

Stoic Patriot on May 29, 2014 at 4:27 PM

On tke other hand stay alert for the R,s & D,s to being up to some other crime on U S.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 29, 2014 at 4:28 PM

May they all go to Hell, with Boehner and Cantor.

Schadenfreude on May 29, 2014 at 4:28 PM

If they vote in amnesty not only will I not vote Republican, I will vote straight democrat. Because, what difference will it make?

ConstantineXI on May 29, 2014 at 4:30 PM

Prediction – by the third ballot, Bo(eh)ner and his clique will vote for Pelosi, and they will be the only RepublicRAT members of every committee.
Steve Eggleston on May 29, 2014 at 3:35 PM

Would not surprise me. Other GOPe incumbents that were turned out got their revenge by reaching across the aisle to support an a $$. Better the devil they party with than the devil that would breakup the party.

AH_C on May 29, 2014 at 4:33 PM

No way he is going to be “ousted” as speaker. If that were true, he would have been “ousted” already.

The only people who want him “ousted” are the ConservaCrats that are attempting to salvage Dem wins and demoralize Republican voters by pretending to be “conservative” and hammering the Republicans for the failures of the Democrat Senate.

I would say a good quarter of the more vocal “conservatives” here are likely Dem sock puppets making their position SEEM more popular than it really is.

crosspatch on May 29, 2014 at 4:34 PM

I wonder how many of them will vote for Pelosi.

Buddahpundit on May 29, 2014 at 4:35 PM

C’mon, GOPe fluffers – tell us again why we’re supposed to turn out to keep supporting these pieces of shit…

Midas on May 29, 2014 at 4:37 PM

If your representative is Republican, write him. I find it so hard to believe that only the Tea Party faction is sick of this man.

Cindy Munford on May 29, 2014 at 4:41 PM

Boehner is perhaps the worst Speaker in the history of Congress. In a period where we faced a myriad of critical challenges and needed a strong opposition voice he’s accomplished nothing.

But Boehner cut spending or something…

Then he and Ryan gave back the sequester the following year for nothing but a bunch of empty promises and far-flung spending cuts everyone knows will never happen.

Yeah, you’re right.
It’s only fitting the worst President in US history is paired up against the worst Speaker.

DRayRaven on May 29, 2014 at 4:42 PM

This is great news … when Boehner and the RINO’s pass amnesty – real conservatives will WALK … WALK right out of the GOP.

It has to happen. The “Tory” GOP has become little more than a watered down version of the Marxist Dims.

Time for a new party … time to start our own UKIP. The RINO’s will find themselves cut off from food, water – and voters.

Sure … we won’t “win” at first … but then again – we’ve been LOSING with the GOP now since Reagan left office.

On to the next thing!

HondaV65 on May 29, 2014 at 4:13 PM

The problem here, however, is that once amnesty passes, it won’t matter whether conservatives bail on the GOP and start another party or not. Neither the GOP with all of the conservatives still in the fold, nor a new conservative party will *ever* win national elections of any import again, and will very quickly lose many if not most of the state power they wield as well.

Amnesty is an existential event, for the GOP *and* conservatives (in terms of political power), and for the country as we’ve known it.

Midas on May 29, 2014 at 4:43 PM

Rattle the cage with a Politico article (they were all charter members of Ezra Klein’s “Journ-o-list” propaganda ring, so you know it’s all Gospel truth, right?), season with a couple gratuitous mentions of “amnesty,” shake well, and toss to the monkeys.

I’ve met more creative hockey pucks.

Adjoran on May 29, 2014 at 4:44 PM

The real danger of an impasse is “Speaker Pelosi”. If 23 GOP said no one but Boehner and 23 GOP said never Boehner, then the infinite loop voting could begin. The 23 GOP who say never Boehner are likely to find Boehner preferable to Pelosi (by a large margin). If the 23 GOP who say no one but Boehner are just after plum committee assignments, I suspect the candy store is open in return for their votes to go with the dems.
Unfortunately, we don’t have to elect Pelosi to see how bad the house would be under her. The question is who would blink first or would the 23 GOP who say no one but Boehner be ready to jump ship.

yetanotherjohn on May 29, 2014 at 4:44 PM

Maybe Hillary will pick him as her running mate…?

d1carter on May 29, 2014 at 4:44 PM

Rep. Tim Huelskamp R-KS was on Laura Ingraham’s show today. He is a farmer but was taken of the Agriculture Committee because he didn’t support Boehner last time. And he’s a farmer. What the heck has Boehner done for the people besides lie?

Cindy Munford on May 29, 2014 at 4:45 PM

It’s a cinch,Boehner is no Tip O’Neill! Or is he?

tomshup on May 29, 2014 at 4:46 PM

Midas on May 29, 2014 at 4:43 PM

That sounds like a bigger argument to get rid of Boehner, he and his little group are the ones determined to lose for the foreseeable future.

Cindy Munford on May 29, 2014 at 4:47 PM

If the Tea Party contingent wants to start on unsettling things, make it known that they would look outside the House for a Speaker.

Many people have mentioned Allen West and that would be a good choice due to experience. It might crowd his agenda if he has Presidential ambitions, but not overly much.

The same with Ben Carson, who really needs to demonstrate some leadership ability and being Speaker would be a fine opportunity for him to do so and see the sausage being made.

Heck, ask Mike Rowe if he would like a necessary job for a couple of years: he is the complete amateur that everyone expects to screw up and yet he tends to do fine with OJT in stressful situations. He has said he doesn’t really want to be President, but a couple years as Speaker might not be out of order for him and he definitely like Americans doing dirty jobs and has a lick of common sense to him, which is more than you can say about Boehner.

Throw the sand into the works early and get the Elite to explain just why Boehner is a better choice than someone from outside the House who has no real axe to grind. Tell them that there is no need for political in-fighting, just someone who will DO THE JOB and uphold their OATH OF OFFICE. That sort of things will scare the dickens out of the Elites… someone there to actually just do the job as it is given. Then the ‘anyone but Boehner’ people have to explain why they are just grinding axes. Make THEM explain themselves for a change. Steal the march from them. Show them to be xenophobic and unwilling to consider just doing their jobs.

Wouldn’t that be fun?

ajacksonian on May 29, 2014 at 4:51 PM

Wouldn’t that be fun?

ajacksonian on May 29, 2014 at 4:51 PM

Fun would be a nice change.

Cindy Munford on May 29, 2014 at 4:53 PM

SailorMark on May 29, 2014 at 4:00 PM

Thanks. I just felt that John was really talking about himself and his own job when he made his comments about Eric.

Christien on May 29, 2014 at 4:55 PM

I love GOP apologists.

Everyone on here – you still going to vote GOP?

You still believe that voting GOP accomplishes anything but the left’s agenda?

The GOP is using you. Every vote for a GOP candidate is a vote for the left’s agenda.

it really is that simple.

As long as Boehner and anyone like Boehner has a position of power within the GOP, the GOP is a left of center party.

To claim otherwise is to lie.

I hope everyone who supports the GOP is happy with increased spending, more gov’t and amnesty. Because that is all you will ever get with the GOP.

Monkeytoe on May 29, 2014 at 3:37 PM

Well, I certainly am going to vote for Huelskamp. Oh, wait, if it is like last election, he won’t have a primary nor general election challenger.

cptacek on May 29, 2014 at 4:56 PM

Nobody does walls of text better than Allahpundit.

Good lord, dude. Get to the point, quickly. As we say in the Army, give us the bottom line up front.

And remember that paragraph breaks are your friend. Friend.

Conservative Mischief on May 29, 2014 at 4:58 PM

Boehner NEEDS TO GO!

GarandFan on May 29, 2014 at 4:58 PM

[Tim] Huelskamp, one of the driving forces to unseat Boehner, has already lost his seat on the Agriculture Committee. There are murmurs among Boehner’s friends about supporting a Republican against Huelskamp in 2016, though they haven’t backed an opponent for him during the current cycle.

Remember, Big Tent! 11th commandment! We have to compromise & work together!

/s

cs89 on May 29, 2014 at 5:04 PM

Since ’10, we’ve learned the Whigs live for 2 things – accommodation and spite.

formwiz on May 29, 2014 at 5:11 PM

Exit question: Do the conservative Boehner-haters in the House have the numbers and the nerve to hold out and block him from the Speakership, no matter how many ballots it takes? I’m trying to decide between “no” and “not a prayer.”

Both.

rukiddingme on May 29, 2014 at 5:14 PM

The will of the sheeple.

Oxymoron on May 29, 2014 at 5:19 PM

fify allahpundint.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 29, 2014 at 4:04 PM

OK. You’re just funnin’ with us now, right? Because, you of all people fixing grammar/punctuation/spelling for someone else while misspelling his name would be too funny.

stvnscott on May 29, 2014 at 5:23 PM

Exit question: Do the conservative Boehner-haters in the House have the numbers and the nerve to hold out and block him from the Speakership. . .

Not in a billion years. Would that it were otherwise but they all seem to think that going to the wall is a baseball term.

IndieDogg on May 29, 2014 at 5:31 PM

Allahpundit, your write-up gives the Republican Establishment too much credit.

Conservatives do NOT need the Republican power-hungry Establishment. The house could hang for all we care for lack of a Speaker. They NEED us.

Face it, no candidate that is unacceptable to conservatives will become Speaker in the next Congress. And Boehner IS retiring.

TheRightMan on May 29, 2014 at 5:39 PM

If they vote in amnesty not only will I not vote Republican, I will vote straight democrat. Because, what difference will it make?

ConstantineXI on May 29, 2014 at 4:30 PM

I’ll not only vote Dem, I’ll vote for the most idiotic socialist morons they can put forward. Enough of 1st gear socialism brought to you by Demlite GOP. Let’s get this party started. Full speed ahead.

SirGawain on May 29, 2014 at 5:48 PM

So,,,, I assume you will vote for a third party who won’t get elected?

jake-the-goose on May 29, 2014 at 3:43 PM

And I assume you will vote for a Republican who won’t get elected? What’s your point?

magicbeans on May 29, 2014 at 5:55 PM

The only people who want him “ousted” are the ConservaCrats that are attempting to salvage Dem wins and demoralize Republican voters by pretending to be “conservative” and hammering the Republicans for the failures of the Democrat Senate.

I would say a good quarter of the more vocal “conservatives” here are likely Dem sock puppets making their position SEEM more popular than it really is.

crosspatch on May 29, 2014 at 4:34 PM

Do you have a license to handle all that biological hazardous waste? You’re so full of bovine byproduct that I wouldn’t doubt magic mushrooms are growing out your ears.

Next time, before you speak out your arse, I strongly suggest you do some research. You won’t look so asinine if you do.

Polling shows that, for many years now, a super-majority of the Republican base has deemed the GOP leadership of being to the LEFT of and out of touch with its own base. That same polling shows a majority of independents believe the same way.

Only among the self-described Liberals is there a majority who think the GOP leadership is on par with or to the Right of its base.

So, again, quit talking out your arse and do some friggin’ research.

John Hitchcock on May 29, 2014 at 5:56 PM

It’s unbelievable that they would rather have a suburban RINO on the agriculture committee instead of a real farmer. Huelskamp is one of our local names here in western Ohio. I don’t know if he had ancestors here but we are conservative. The Repub. establishment hate farmers. There are a lot of farmers and ranchers. Conservatives need to inform them.

And don’t count out conservatives. They are beginning to understand they need to group like the socialists do.

crankyoldlady on May 29, 2014 at 6:03 PM

Tea Partiers voting for Boehner’s Democratic opponent moots the problem and gets the attention of the other RINOs.

PersonFromPorlock on May 29, 2014 at 6:07 PM

Here, crosspatch, I’ll help you get started in your education.

I wrote this article in 2009 with linkage to the polling.

Study to shew thyself approved, a good workman, rightly dividing … truth.

John Hitchcock on May 29, 2014 at 6:09 PM

That might win him a few extra votes for DREAM or ENLIST or whatever Cantor and his pal Luis Gutierrez have cooking these days.


Perfect
example of “buying in to the narrative”, AP. It is the surest sign of a RINO – believing ANY crap put forward by ANY idiot speaking “on behalf of GOP leadership”.

Let’s talk about aspects of immigration RINO Hot Air will never touch:

Black Civil Rights Commissioner Warns Congressional Black Caucus Against Support for Amnesty

Removing the protection of a future plea of ignorance, U.S. Commission on Civil Rights Commissioner Peter Kirsanow sent a letter to the Congressional Black Caucus last Tuesday, outlining the impact amnesty will have on black Americans.

His effort gives them a clear choice; they can support a destructive policy of the administration which will devastate their constituents and fellow black Americans, or they can do the job they were elected to do and represent the people.

The letter was not from the Civil Rights Commission but from Kirsanow individually and addressed to Rep. Marcia Fudge (R-OH). It stated in no uncertain terms that amnesty would “disproportionately harm lower-skilled African-Americans.”

He implored the CBC members to “oppose any legislation that would grant any form of work authorization to illegal aliens” and “oppose legislation that would increase the overall number of guest workers admitted to the U.S. each year.”

Kirsanow wrote, “The obvious question is whether there are sufficient jobs in the low-skilled labor market for both African-Americans and illegal immigrants. The answer is no.”

.
Some Democrats running in districts with significant African-American constituencies are NOT going to be strongly motivated to vote for ANY immigration reform.

But that’s not part of the establishment narrative, so it will NEVER be discussed in the media.

The bit above about primarying Huelskamp in 2016 if he keeps causing trouble for the leadership is a warning shot suggesting consequences to come if/when the business lobby finally goes all-in against the tea party.


WOW!!! Congratulations!!!!
You are as much a fluffer for the GOPe as the bulk of the MSM is for Obama.

The “warning shot” is a bluff without the possibility of consequences – IF the House GOP forces immigration reform down the throats of ALL Americans when only 7% see it as a priority … all hell will be out for noon … and Rep. Huelskamp will be on the safe side of the equation.

Exit question: Do the conservative Boehner-haters in the House have the numbers and the nerve to hold out and block him from the Speakership, no matter how many ballots it takes? I’m trying to decide between “no” and “not a prayer.”

.
If immigration reform is pushed through by the House GOP before the elections … or after it but before January, Mr. Boehner will NOT be Speaker of the House.

PolAgnostic on May 29, 2014 at 6:17 PM

Thus dies the last hope of scaring Boehner into staying away from amnesty this year.

Amnesty has been a done deal for a while, but that closes the door on any type of course correction. The party is about to get started.

DFCtomm on May 29, 2014 at 6:24 PM

Facts do count.

Take here in Texas.

We conservatives voted in enough Republican conservatives to elect a conservative Speaker of the House.

What do Rick Perry, the Bush RINO’s do.. they put the liberal Strauss from San Antonio up to putting his hand across the isle and the RINO’s and Democrats elected Strauss the Speaker.

Same thing went on in the Senate, David Duworst used the Democrats he put on committees to help the RINO’s hold the Senate via Duworst.

Rick Perry stood by and let it happen.

Now we went one more step,, Put in Dan Patrick with a 68% to 32% margin. We put in 4 new State Senators who are conservative.

Same in the House we have enough votes in the House and Senate to over ride the RINO’s in both.

Now Greg Abbott has no choice, he is part of the Bush / Perry rino gang but he will not be able to control anything as Texas Gov. has no power except appointments and the veto and we can do that now.

Same thing has to be done national.

As soon as we start the process the blue states will go 100% commie as the rino’s join the demon’s to stay alive.

Thing is the commies do not have enough states to control for long and those states are going broke fast, the fed’s so not have enough borrowing power any longer to bail out the commie states.

The commie red deal has run its course and is on the down hill and this nut job know nothing Obama has pushed them all over the line and down they will all go in a short time.

Americans are not plum nuts yet.The facts are on our side over time.

Just fight and do not let up.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 29, 2014 at 6:25 PM

Huelskamp is as immovable in a primary as Cantor is and Boehner was. No amount of Chamber money is going to get rid of him.
Some establishment yahoos have gone after Ted Yoho in Florida and are failing miserably. Mostly because they run over the top “I’m a trucon!” ads that don’t entice anybody.

The best bet of the establishment is to force Boehner to resign and retire after the Midterms, and let Cantor become the next Speaker ( while simultaneously cutting a deal to make Jeb Hensarling Maj. Leader instead of McCarthy)

This would be far more tolerable to all parties then Boehner staying on and Cantor getting shafted to make room for Hensarling ( Cantor isn’t a weak member) if that were to happen Cantor would probably challenge Boehner himself and there will be blood in the streets ( figuratively of course).
It would also be pretty embarrassing for the caucus.

MWC_RS on May 29, 2014 at 6:29 PM

but he will not be able to control anything as Texas Gov. has no power except appointments and the veto and we can do that now.

and

Rick Perry stood by and let it happen.

seem to contradict each other. Which is it?

cptacek on May 29, 2014 at 6:32 PM

cptacek, learn2abc. It’s both.

The political make-up was different. It’s more Conservative now. Thus less power for mushies. You’d be acute if you weren’t so obtuse.

John Hitchcock on May 29, 2014 at 6:39 PM

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