Boehner: I will continue to reserve judgment on Shinseki for some reason

posted at 12:41 pm on May 29, 2014 by Allahpundit

Three weeks ago he said he wasn’t ready to call for Shinseki’s firing. Last week he said he was getting closer — but still not ready. Today, after that brutal IG report sent Democrats scurrying on the Hill, he’s finally … still not ready.

What am I missing here?

“I’m going to continue to reserve judgment on General Shinseki,” Boehner told reporters Thursday. “The question I ask myself is, ‘Is him resigning going to get us to the bottom of the problem? Is it going to help us find out what is really going on?’ And the answer I keep getting is no.”

Boehner added that President Barack Obama should be held accountable for problems at the veterans organization.

“The president is going to have to step up here and show some real leadership,” he added.

Obviously there’s a political strategy at work here. Er, what is it? A “Shinseki must go” statement from the Speaker isn’t going to drown out damaging coverage of the IG’s findings and panicked Democratic reaction to it. Given how many Dems have already jumped ship, there’s no risk of the media turning this into some sort of partisan battle over the VA head either. Maybe Boehner feels that it’s risky to be too harshly critical of a general when your base is as pro-military as the GOP’s is, but that doesn’t make sense either: The victims of Shinseki’s and Obama’s negligence are American soldiers. Righteous outrage on their behalf, even at the expense of a former commander, won’t alienate any Republicans. I could understand if Boehner refused to demand Shinseki’s ouster in order to make a point about the VA system as a whole, i.e. that rationed care and endless wait times are inevitable in a system of socialized medicine and that no manager, be it Shinseki or his replacement, will fix that. But that’s not what Boehner’s saying. (If it was, why did he say he was getting closer to calling for Shinseki’s termination last week?) He seems to think there is a potential solution here if only Obama would show some “leadership.” There isn’t. The VA will remain a disaster because it’s the VA, not because The One’s a screw-up.

Maybe he’s afraid that focusing too much on Shinseki will let O fade into the background on this? That doesn’t make sense either. Shinseki is his handpicked VA administrator; if Obama’s forced to fire him, it’s a powerful admission that he’s made poor personnel decisions. Why do you think so many conservatives were eager to see Sebelius fired?

Just as I’m writing this, news is breaking that Mark Warner — another purple-state Democrat facing a tough reelection campaign this fall — has called for Shinseki’s resignation. (Imagine how painful it is for lefties to see Democrats turning on the man who became famous for questioning the “light footprint” occupation strategy in Iraq.) I’m not worried that voters will perceive Dems as being more proactive on VA reform than the GOP given that all of this is happening on a Democratic president’s watch, but Republican leaders are leaving easy political currency on the table here by not speaking up more.


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The two party evil money cult in Washington D.C. only gets worse and they will force a fight. So far all we have done is look the other way and hope it is not ourselves or our own family who gets hurt.

Now they aim for U.S. all.

First the veterans with this crime.

Next Obama does not care for the rest of U.S..

Time will come when we can not fight back.

They build a coast to coast reservation for U.S. all.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 29, 2014 at 1:20 PM

Its good to know that so many self-righteous conservatives have faith in good bureaucrats; The problem isn’t the system or government run health care, its that we need better bureaucrats.

Why do you hate the government? You think anarchy is a better solution?

Your fantasy screeds are an illusionary tactic all your own.

Its also good to know that so many self-righteous conservatives want to help Obama and the MSM put this issue to bed. Remove him and it go away. Or we can let it fester, drain Obama’s popularity, expose the fallacy of government run health care, and get to the bottom of the real problems.

Right, because all the other scandals drained Obama’s popularity?

How about at least pretending that you’re paying attention.

But some hateful dingbats truecons are so caught up in Boehner hate, they are too stupid to realize this

swamp_yankee on May 29, 2014 at 1:09 PM

Exactly. People that disagree with you are hateful dingbats.

Name calling is the final indication that someone has no argument.

Bigbullets on May 29, 2014 at 1:20 PM

Republican leadership shouldn’t be trying to feint and weave and have their strategy play out. They should simply state that while Shinseki’s resignation would give the admin a face saving out… it’s nonetheless the right thing to do. Go on the record instead of trying to corral the admin. Once you do that, you can claim that whatever action the admin takes, it was for cynical political purposes rather than the pursuit of truth and justice. Then keep pushing…

But then, I’m no strategist.

freedomfirst on May 29, 2014 at 1:20 PM

So I get now; Obama, the VA and government run health are not the problem, a single bureaucrat is.

Just give the Democrats their patsy and lets get back to the real news of gay rights, global warming, and how guns are killing our children.

swamp_yankee on May 29, 2014 at 1:20 PM

Laura Ingraham had a member of Congress on her show this morning that was a Tea Party guy. He did not vote for Boehner for speaker and got kicked off the agriculture committee even though he’s a farmer. Apparently this happens a lot to those not in love with the Speaker/Establishment.

Cindy Munford on May 29, 2014 at 1:21 PM

You can look to the left and
Look to the right
But you will live in danger tonight
When the enemy comes he will
Never be heard
He’ll blow your mind and not say a word
Blinding lights, flashing colors
Sleepless nights
If the man with the power
Can’t keep it under control

Some heads are gonna roll
Some heads are gonna roll
Some heads are gonna roll
Some heads are gonna roll

The power-mad freaks who are
Ruling the earth
Will show how little they think you’re worth
With animal lust they’ll
Devour your life
And slice your word to bits like a knife
One last day burning hell fire
You’re blown away
If the man with the power
Can’t keep it under control

Some heads are gonna roll

Christien on May 29, 2014 at 1:21 PM

So I get now; Obama, the VA and government run health are not the problem, a single bureaucrat is.

Just give the Democrats their patsy and lets get back to the real news of gay rights, global warming, and how guns are killing our children.

swamp_yankee on May 29, 2014 at 1:20 PM

Yep. Because so many people are making that argument.

Bigbullets on May 29, 2014 at 1:22 PM

What am I missing here?

Boehner’s spine? (keeping it family friendly)

rbj on May 29, 2014 at 1:22 PM

Boehner should attack government provided healthcare, hard. Veterans deserve better than being left as sacrifices to bureaucracy. On an emergency basis, make all Vets who qualify for VA care members of Medicaire and let them go get care at the best hospitals right away. Suspend operations at all VA facilities now. Emergency! Emergency!

Take advantage, Boehner. If Steny Hoyer (D-Government Employee Unions) wants to defend killing Vets so government employees can earn bonuses, let him do so.

MTF on May 29, 2014 at 1:22 PM

“Off with his head” – does not solve anything.

The issue is not Shinseki – it’s fixing the problem – use him to fix it by forcing him to constantly testify before the cameras.

jake-the-goose on May 29, 2014 at 1:18 PM

The problem is systemic.

Bigbullets on May 29, 2014 at 1:23 PM

Bigbullets on May 29, 2014 at 1:22 PM

Just like I made this argument. Your are unhinged. Take your pills.

Why do you hate the government? You think anarchy is a better solution?

Your fantasy screeds are an illusionary tactic all your own.

swamp_yankee on May 29, 2014 at 1:23 PM

swamp_yankee

1:20

No we know who the union thug gang leader from Chicago is.

We know the VA boss is just a shill who works for his 30 silver coins.

We know the RINO’s will go along with the Obama Care death march.

There are some 100,000 of the lead cult of money and they all must be sent packing from the evil city of Washington D.C..

They will not back down, and they think there are enough of your type around to make their evil ways to be allowed.

We others will fight, you just lay low until it is safe.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 29, 2014 at 1:25 PM

So I get now; Obama, the VA and government run health are not the problem, a single bureaucrat is.

swamp_yankee on May 29, 2014 at 1:20 PM

Agreed, we’ve all pretty much come to the conclusion that Shin Shin should be fired and then things will magically improve.

Bishop on May 29, 2014 at 1:25 PM

Just like I made this argument. Your are unhinged. Take your pills.

swamp_yankee on May 29, 2014 at 1:23 PM

So, you’re a connoisseur of straw men, but not of irony?

I’ll make a note of it.

Bigbullets on May 29, 2014 at 1:28 PM

May be that Boehner’s tanning solon will be a safe place to hide from Obama Care’s reach.

Just for you swamp_yuppie

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 29, 2014 at 1:29 PM

Agreed, we’ve all pretty much come to the conclusion that Shin Shin should be fired and then things will magically improve.

Bishop on May 29, 2014 at 1:25 PM

That pretty much sums up every post of every person on this thread.

His deductive skill are unrivaled.

Bigbullets on May 29, 2014 at 1:31 PM

So I get now; Obama, the VA and government run health are not the problem, a single bureaucrat is.

swamp_yankee on May 29, 2014 at 1:20 PM

Agreed, we’ve all pretty much come to the conclusion that Shin Shin should be fired and then things will magically improve.

Bishop on May 29, 2014 at 1:25 PM

Swamp_yankee’s screed is reminiscent of all the strawmen that Obama made in his West Point speech.

I mean I know I thought if Shinseki was fired; that things would just magically improve at the VA. Didn’t you?

melle1228 on May 29, 2014 at 1:32 PM

Obama is happy to have the focus on Shinseki.

The GOP should be focusing on tying this to repeal of ObamaCare, and the privatization of the VA.

faraway on May 29, 2014 at 1:34 PM

Bigbullets on May 29, 2014 at 1:31 PM

HotGas has a history of commenters saying that removing a single fud will reap instant rewards in a failed system, Swampy is merely reminding us of that.

Read a biology book sometime, TC.

Bishop on May 29, 2014 at 1:34 PM

If Steny Hoyer (D-Government Employee Unions) wants to defend killing Vets so government employees can earn bonuses, let him do so.

MTF on May 29, 2014 at 1:22 PM

Every single pundit for the left starts by saying that EVERYBODY cares about the well-being of vets. I call the BS flag on that one. Democrats do not care about veterans they care about the unions that represent all those VA employees. They care about protecting their rat-eared wonder. They care about getting re-elected so they lie about their concern over this scandal. Actual concern about vets doesn’t make it to the left’s top ten list of things they care about.

Happy Nomad on May 29, 2014 at 1:35 PM

Obama is happy to have the focus on Shinseki.

The GOP should be focusing on tying this to repeal of ObamaCare, and the privatization of the VA.

faraway on May 29, 2014 at 1:34 PM

LMAO! I love the optimism. You realize that the GOP has NO plans to repeal Obamacare, so why would they use this?

melle1228 on May 29, 2014 at 1:35 PM

So I get now; Obama, the VA and government run health are not the problem, a single bureaucrat is.

swamp_yankee on May 29, 2014 at 1:20 PM

You know, it isn’t really a binary situation. How about we fire the guy responsible for the organization AND we try to fix the problem?

GWB on May 29, 2014 at 1:35 PM

You realize that the GOP has NO plans to repeal Obamacare, so why would they use this?

melle1228 on May 29, 2014 at 1:35 PM

Preach it, brother.

faraway on May 29, 2014 at 1:36 PM

You know, it isn’t really a binary situation. How about we fire the guy responsible for the organization AND we try to fix the problem?

GWB on May 29, 2014 at 1:35 PM

But how would that make Obama look?

-every goddamned Democrat in Congress

Happy Nomad on May 29, 2014 at 1:38 PM

So I get now; Obama, the VA and government run health are not the problem, a single bureaucrat is.

swamp_yankee on May 29, 2014 at 1:20 PM

You and Obama are so skilled at refuting arguments nobody is making.

Let me guess: Harvard?

AZCoyote on May 29, 2014 at 1:38 PM

HotGas has a history of commenters saying that removing a single fud will reap instant rewards in a failed system, Swampy is merely reminding us of that.

Read a biology book sometime, TC.

Bishop on May 29, 2014 at 1:34 PM

So he’s addressing comments by poster who AREN’T EVEN HERE?

And arguments that aren’t being made?

There’s a word for that, but it escapes me at the moment.

Bigbullets on May 29, 2014 at 1:39 PM

Boehner the Republican equivalent of Corrine Brown.

RickB on May 29, 2014 at 1:39 PM

LMAO! I love the optimism. You realize that the GOP has NO plans to repeal Obamacare, so why would they use this?

melle1228 on May 29, 2014 at 1:35 PM

How dare you dash my dreams!

How dare you!

Bigbullets on May 29, 2014 at 1:40 PM

Get this RINO out of there. Trey Gowdy we need you.

Old eagle on May 29, 2014 at 1:41 PM

The press cycle has a life of its own. Its amazing how many complain about it and then think they can control it.

The MSM, like much of the public, believes this is an administrative problem that needs administrative fixes.

Even when conservatives have an issue that finally pierces the MSM’s protective veil, they haven’t learn how to properly milk it.

Let it fester, twist the knife in the wound. Prolong-ate it, and use it as a teaching moment.

Remove a few bureacrats and the story goes away.

Its not what commenters on Hotair or callers on talk radio want, its what the media will do. Not a strawman, just reality.

swamp_yankee on May 29, 2014 at 1:42 PM

Allah and Ed -

Boehner is a RINO, so he’s your problem, not mine.

bw222 on May 29, 2014 at 1:43 PM

The next time someone mentions Todd Akin, just think of Corrine Brown.

Dems out-stupid us by 100 to 1.

faraway on May 29, 2014 at 1:43 PM

Let U.S. help him with better words.

Boehner

“I know the guy is part of the problem. Lets leave him in office so that he will be on our payroll and still responsible for these crimes at the time we indict him via a grand jury not under the crime boss Eric Holder.”

easy if you got the guts

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 29, 2014 at 1:43 PM

For what it is worth, the WaPo has a story up right now that reports on Shinseki working the phones with liberal Democrats to shore up support for keeping his job. He is also scheduled to speak to a Homeless Vets group tomorrow which I’m sure will be covered with some interest given the fact that Shinseki has been killing vets for the last five years.

This little nugget suggests the Dems strategy for keeping the vet-killer in his job:

Pelosi also told reporters Thursday that getting rid of Shinseki only “rewards” those that have misled him on the scope of the problems across the department.

So, nobody told the vet-killer about the systemic fraud in his organization? I guess he gets his news the same way the rat-eared wonder does. Through the media.

Happy Nomad on May 29, 2014 at 1:44 PM

But how would that make Obama look?

-every goddamned Democrat in Congress

Happy Nomad on May 29, 2014 at 1:38 PM

Heh.

GWB on May 29, 2014 at 1:44 PM

oops, I out-stupided myself. I posted on the wrong thread. :)

faraway on May 29, 2014 at 1:45 PM

That well-tanned persimmon colored, clean-cut bourbon smelling, gentleman wuss of a Speaker always seems to be half-right or completely wrong with his responses as of late since 2010.

OK, maybe he has he’s been tentative deliberately perplexing with his replies half-cocked ramblings and this is all political posturing faux outrage for Nov.
After all he’s got the establishment wind flatulence at his back and he’s looking at a few more successful incredibly profitable years as Speaker as the Speaker Grand Douche-Rino.

He’s a true Conservative Tea-Party Patriot playing it safe for now..
Si Si Puede Senor Boehner!!

FIFY FIFM.

StubbornGreenBurros on May 29, 2014 at 1:47 PM

The press cycle has a life of its own. Its amazing how many complain about it and then think they can control it.

The MSM, like much of the public, believes this is an administrative problem that needs administrative fixes.

Even when conservatives have an issue that finally pierces the MSM’s protective veil, they haven’t learn how to properly milk it.

Let it fester, twist the knife in the wound. Prolong-ate it, and use it as a teaching moment.

Remove a few bureacrats and the story goes away.

Its not what commenters on Hotair or callers on talk radio want, its what the media will do. Not a strawman, just reality.

swamp_yankee on May 29, 2014 at 1:42 PM

I’m following you now.

And I agree wholeheartedly re:media strategy.

Bigbullets on May 29, 2014 at 1:48 PM

Boehner added that President Barack Obama should be held accountable for problems at the veterans organization.

Like I’ve been saying. The GOP won’t dare bash single-payer health care because they’re looking forward to it.

Occams Stubble on May 29, 2014 at 1:48 PM

Like I’ve been saying. The GOP won’t dare bash single-payer health care because they’re looking forward to it.

Occams Stubble on May 29, 2014 at 1:48 PM

You mistake cowardice for malice.

Bigbullets on May 29, 2014 at 1:49 PM

Boehner the Republican equivalent of Corrine Brown.

RickB on May 29, 2014 at 1:39 PM

Analog, maybe. There is no equivalent.

freedomfirst on May 29, 2014 at 1:50 PM

Strangely, I still believe that Boehner needs to be replaced as speaker in spite of his inexplicable loyalties. Wait… what?

Immolate on May 29, 2014 at 1:50 PM

Shorter Boehner: Getting rid of me won’t fix the GOP.

Christien on May 29, 2014 at 1:54 PM

Everyone in DC plays for the same team. The suckers are the ones that believe the theater show they put on for us.

SirGawain on May 29, 2014 at 1:56 PM

Everyone in DC plays for the same team. The suckers are the ones that believe the theater show they put on for us.

SirGawain on May 29, 2014 at 1:56 PM

DC is like the WWE? Say it ain’t so.

faraway on May 29, 2014 at 1:59 PM

This bottom is so deep nobody will ever get there. Not Oblamo, Shinseki, or Bonehead. Why does our supposed majority leader in the House want to keep a guy that’s been on the job for 5 years and hasn’t done squat to figure this mess out? Maybe Boner could propose a bill that would defund the bonus programs for all the fed alphabets. That would be a good first step.

Kissmygrits on May 29, 2014 at 1:59 PM

What? No leadership from Boner? I am SHOCKED! Shocked, I tell you!

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 29, 2014 at 1:20 PM

Interesting …

Chuck Ef on May 29, 2014 at 2:02 PM

DC is like the WWE? Say it ain’t so.

faraway on May 29, 2014 at 1:59 PM

Well not really. WWE actually makes money instead of stealing it from us.

SirGawain on May 29, 2014 at 2:08 PM

You all are missing the obvious.

John Boehner is the best Speaker of the House that the DEMOCRATS ever had.

Subotai Bahadur on May 29, 2014 at 2:12 PM

swamp_yankee on May 29, 2014 at 1:42 PM
Bigbullets on May 29, 2014 at 1:48 PM

Some points to bear in mind re “media strategy”:

1) If, in fact, you believe that the media completely controls The Narrative, then you can’t really believe that Boehner’s docile acquiescence to the status quo– leave Shinseki alone– is going to be portrayed by the media in any other way than what it is: docile. acquiescence. “Letting it fester” (except to the extent that Shinseki is a problem to which Boehner has no real objections and wisely leaves to Obama to solve) and “twisting the knife in the wound” is not how the media is going to spin Boehner.

2) If, in fact, you believe that the media completely controls The Narrative, then you can’t really believe that the media will use Boehner’s current pronouncement as anything other than confirmation of their own view: that Obama must be given time to grapple with the problem which only recently came to his attention (thanks to the media!), and that the wise Obama will not overreact (exactly as you and they commend Boehner for not doing) and that he will deal with the problem in his own way in his own time. Exactly. as. he. dealt. with. Sebelius and the Obamacare roll-out. (Whatever “teaching moment” you think the GOP got out of that, it would have been a lot bigger if she’d been fired– if he’d been forced to fire her.)

3) If Obama were forced by pressure within his own party and by a united GOP to start firing VA officials from the top, THAT would change The Narrative: “a weakened President,” “new VA chief nominee faces tough confirmation in Congress,” “Boehner announces redoubled investigations in wake of Shinseki firing…” etc. etc. Going along with a replay of Sebelius/Obamacare changes nothing.

Obama currently is under no pressure by the media to do anything. As long as they can maintain The Current Narrative he is shielded by the media. Change The Narrative, and while the media scrambles for a new one, there is no shield, the defenses are down. Which is usually when you press the attack, if you are anyone but the GOP leadership.

de rigueur on May 29, 2014 at 2:14 PM

Thank you again Ohio for foisting this coward on the rest of the 49 (or in Obama’s case 56) states. What a great service you have done for the betterment of America. You are only outdone by the state of Nevada.

/sarc

neyney on May 29, 2014 at 2:16 PM

Suck it,Boehner!!!! Shall I give information to those that can compel evidence of your harassment to women? Does Amanda ring a bell????

ladyingray on May 29, 2014 at 2:19 PM

The press cycle has a life of its own. Its amazing how many complain about it and then think they can control it.

The MSM, like much of the public, believes this is an administrative problem that needs administrative fixes.

Even when conservatives have an issue that finally pierces the MSM’s protective veil, they haven’t learn how to properly milk it.

Let it fester, twist the knife in the wound. Prolong-ate it, and use it as a teaching moment.

Remove a few bureacrats and the story goes away.

Its not what commenters on Hotair or callers on talk radio want, its what the media will do. Not a strawman, just reality.

swamp_yankee on May 29, 2014 at 1:42 PM

IOW, let’s use these veterans as political pawns to score a few cheap talking points in the short term against “Team D”, while the administration, “Team D” and “Team GOPe” conduct their phony-baloney “investigations” which will inevitably conclude that the problem is a lack of funding, brought on by bloodthirsty “truecons” and “teahadis” pushing us into unfunded, unnecessary wars, and then denying the VA the funding it needs to address its overwhelmed system by holding the government and the country hostage in order to satisfy their lunatic base.

And while all this takes place, veterans continue to die on waiting lists, VA bureaucrats get even larger bonuses for sticking these vets on these lists, Shinseki reaffirms his “commitment” to clean up the mess, everyone in DC gets in a few more gratifying two minutes hate sessions against the “teahadis”, and the media declares the problem as “solved” anyway.

As you can tell, we’ve all seen this particular piece of theater before, and we know how it turns out.

Gator Country on May 29, 2014 at 2:20 PM

A choice,not an echo!The GOP is no longer a home for conservatives!

redware on May 29, 2014 at 2:23 PM

freedomfirst on May 29, 2014 at 1:20 PM

Rush just made the point.

freedomfirst on May 29, 2014 at 2:28 PM

A choice,not an echo! The GOP is no longer a home for conservatives!

redware on May 29, 2014 at 2:23 PM

This is a very common comment – but I think it is 100% wrong.

Don’t quit – fight and win

jake-the-goose on May 29, 2014 at 2:29 PM

Don’t quit – fight and win

jake-the-goose on May 29, 2014 at 2:29 PM

Exactly what you implicitly commend Boehner upthread (12:45, 12:48, 1:02…) for NOT doing… ?

de rigueur on May 29, 2014 at 2:43 PM

Thank you again Ohio for foisting this coward on the rest of the 49 (or in Obama’s case 56) states. What a great service you have done for the betterment of America. You are only outdone by the state of Nevada.

/sarc

neyney on May 29, 2014 at 2:16 PM

It’s possible he’s doing a good job of representing his district. It’s the other Republicans you should blame for putting him in the speakership.

crankyoldlady on May 29, 2014 at 2:45 PM

The dirt they have on Weasel Boehner must rival the dirt they have on smirking Benedict Roberts.

Through the hoops drunken human traffic cone. Through the hoops !

viking01 on May 29, 2014 at 2:45 PM

The bureaucrats are the problem and the General is the biggest bureaucrat at the VA. He has proven that he doesn’t have the will or the skill to fix the problem and he ought to be fired just because he’s a politician and an a$$ kisser.

That said, Boehner ought to be using this as a club and beating the dems to death with it. This is just more proof that Obamacare will not work. The Obama administration promised to fix the VA and this is just another thing they lied about.

Vince on May 29, 2014 at 2:50 PM

boehners a puke taking the easy way out.
and so is everyone here supporting him.

dmacleo on May 29, 2014 at 2:53 PM

What am I missing here?

It’s not all that difficult. There are two sides to every issue and Boehner is on both. He will not act on any issue unless their is a clear majority and then he will wait for others to do so before he commits himself. It’s hard to fault him for doing a bad job if he doesn’t do anything (at least that’s his thinking).

bandutski on May 29, 2014 at 2:56 PM

Exactly what you implicitly commend Boehner upthread (12:45, 12:48, 1:02…) for NOT doing… ?

de rigueur on May 29, 2014 at 2:43 PM

I apologize – how did I “commend Boehner”?

jake-the-goose on May 29, 2014 at 2:58 PM

… because firing someone for f*cking up is a bad idea and never happens or something. You always keep them around to help fix it – this is how real life works.

/

Midas on May 29, 2014 at 3:04 PM

But some hateful dingbats truecons are so caught up in Boehner hate, they are too stupid to realize this

swamp_yankee on May 29, 2014 at 1:09 PM

Dear, you need to end that tawdry affair with joanna.

katy the mean old lady on May 29, 2014 at 3:09 PM

I apologize – how did I “commend Boehner”?

jake-the-goose on May 29, 2014 at 2:58 PM

Implicitly, for his not jumping on the “Fire Shinseki” bandwagon, which, as you stated, would accomplish nothing.

But why not fire Shinseki AND grill him in the Congressional hearings hot seat? One doesn’t preclude the other.

You fire Shinseki because a) he has been utterly incompetent at his job and deserves it, or else there simply is no such thing as accountability in government; and b) because once firings are on the table, underlings and their underlings start scrambling to distance themselves from being fired themselves– and volunteer a whole lot more information to Congressional hearings, for example.

No apologies needed. You have a right to your views, you post them fairly and in good faith.

de rigueur on May 29, 2014 at 3:10 PM

No apologies needed. You have a right to your views, you post them fairly and in good faith.

de rigueur on May 29, 2014 at 3:10 PM

Thank you sir – and may I say the same for you.

Conversation at it’s finest.

GOP in 2014 and 2016

jake-the-goose on May 29, 2014 at 3:22 PM

Well not really. WWE actually makes money instead of stealing it from us.

SirGawain on May 29, 2014 at 2:08 PM

So, more like the con guy doing three-card monte in the alley, while his buddy picks the audience’s pockets?

GWB on May 29, 2014 at 3:26 PM

because firing someone for f*cking up is a bad idea and never happens or something. You always keep them around to help fix it – this is how real life government works.

/

Midas on May 29, 2014 at 3:04 PM

FIFY :)

melle1228 on May 29, 2014 at 3:59 PM

A girl I know who years ago worked for the Alabama Disability Determinations racket said the legit employees had a motto for the management cesspool:

“Eff-up Move up.”

viking01 on May 29, 2014 at 4:04 PM

I am officially calling on John Boehner to resign.

DRayRaven on May 29, 2014 at 4:38 PM

its doublely nice to see
1..a politican being refusing to join the lynch mob and being reasonable instead (good job following president obamas example, mr speaker!)
2..boehner mucking up the repuglican message yet again. please keep this guy around forever! bwahaha!
ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 29, 2014 at 12:54 PM

What the Fluke is “repuglican”? Are you trying to equate them to a breed of dog or are you just too stupid to spell?

Nutstuyu on May 29, 2014 at 4:40 PM

As usual, Boehner is smarter than you.

Shinseki is a dull blade. He’s a figurehead. If you let Obama make him the scapegoat, we won’t get to the bottom of this anytime soon. “Hey, he resigned, we are reorganizing, time to move on.”

Someone in DC, in upper management, directed all these 47 or more locations to falsify their numbers to qualify for large bonuses, year after year. We need to know WHO that was, and clean out everyone who was aware of it and said nothing, and everyone who accepted bonus money under false pretenses.

Adjoran on May 29, 2014 at 4:49 PM

Boehner: I will continue to reserve judgment on Shinseki for some reason

Boehner is basing this on his on experience as a Navy “veteran”. He served a total of 8 WEEKS (yes WEEKS) time in the Navy. But Boehner is a quick learner. In 2006 he told a Pass Christian (Ms) reporter that he was an “ex-Seabee”. (8 weeks doesn’t even get you though Navy boot camp.)

What better man could there possibly be to reserve judgment on Shinseki?

MaiDee on May 29, 2014 at 6:01 PM

Why do you have to talk so much, Boehner? Why can’t you just shut your smoke hole? Do you think that you are doing anyone any good with the constant verbiage? Helping the cause? Stop. Just- shut- up. Shaddup.

V7_Sport on May 29, 2014 at 6:03 PM

How unfortunate this piece go dog s*** will probably win re-election

RdLake on May 29, 2014 at 6:14 PM

Blatantly stolen from Ace of Spades HQ:
The latest apostate is former senator John Warner of Virginia, who announced this week he is backing incumbent Democratic senator Mark Warner for reelection. He is thus giving the back of his hand to former RNC chairman Ed Gillespie, a former George W. Bush adviser, who has a decent shot at winning and is no wild-eyed radical. Last year, Warner also endorsed the Georgia candidacy of Michelle Nunn, a Democrat, who is the daughter of former senator Sam Nunn, with whom Warner served in the Senate. He even attended a fundraiser on her behalf. Georgia Republicans who find themselves defending an open Senate seat in Georgia are furious since the Warner support allows Nunn to position herself as a bipartisan moderate.

astonerii on May 29, 2014 at 6:16 PM

astonerii

Warner also signed Lt. for life John F. Kerrys revised fraud Discharge.

Part of the top of the evil money cult.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 29, 2014 at 6:37 PM

Boner’s just worried that forcefully demanding Shinseki’s resignation will make it harder for him and the rest of the Establishment to get the best amnesty deal possible for their crony capitalist pals.

Gator Country on May 29, 2014 at 12:50 PM

Rather, I think it’s more a case of Boehner wanting to discourage months of “hearings” trying to secure Shinseki’s replacement, another one of Obama’s useful helpers who could be anticipated to repeat Shinseki’s activities (and to avoid Congress being bogged down in months of hearings toward confirming anyone Obama would nominate who would do just that).

I agree that Shinseki’s done a rotten job but I also assign all blame for that to Obama.

Lourdes on May 29, 2014 at 6:41 PM

It might make more sense, practically, in solving the immediate problems with the VA for Congress to create some sort of (increased) oversight controls, however that would be possible (I don’t know how they could, just saying, replacing Shinseki without replacing Obama and associates won’t solve the problems).

Lourdes on May 29, 2014 at 6:43 PM

…Shinseki is a dull blade. He’s a figurehead. If you let Obama make him the scapegoat, we won’t get to the bottom of this anytime soon. “Hey, he resigned, we are reorganizing, time to move on.”

Someone in DC, in upper management, directed all these 47 or more locations to falsify their numbers to qualify for large bonuses, year after year. We need to know WHO that was, and clean out everyone who was aware of it and said nothing, and everyone who accepted bonus money under false pretenses.

Adjoran on May 29, 2014 at 4:49 PM

Exactly right.

Lourdes on May 29, 2014 at 6:45 PM

But why not fire Shinseki AND grill him in the Congressional hearings hot seat? One doesn’t preclude the other.

Shinseki was already called before Congress and his responses were wandering, avoiding and not-talking.

He’s not going to spill any beans, Shinseki isn’t, he’s already displayed his refusal and/or inability to reveal much of anything. “Not aware of it” is the standing response, along with “I only heard about it yesterday in the media…”

Lourdes on May 29, 2014 at 6:49 PM

Adjoran on May 29, 2014 at 4:49 PM
Lourdes on May 29, 2014 at 6:49 PM

Then it make no difference– in terms of gaining new information from Shinseki– whether he is fired or not.

But it makes a huge difference to the public’s perception of Obama remaining in control of the situation, whether or not he is perceived as having been forced to fire Shinseki, or accept his resignation, before he, Obama, is good and ready.

In which case, it will go down exactly as it did with Sebelius. “Hey, he she resigned, we are reorganizing, time to move on.” Exactly what happened with her– on Obama’s terms– and for a time he’s been able to spin it his way. Fortunately Obamacare is still unfolding as a total disaster and Obama’s PR gains have already proven to be short-lived.

We’re past the point of Obama being able to make Shinseki the scapegoat. As you’ve already indicated, Shinseki’s shown himself to be a useless tool, and this thing goes way beyond him.

Problem is, now it’s Boehner showing himself to be the useless tool, acquiescing in an unacceptable status quo, and allowing this to play out exactly the way Obama and the media can manage it. When is it ever appropriate to throw a monkey wrench into the works?

de rigueur on May 29, 2014 at 8:34 PM

And since everyone agrees that demands from the GOP leadership are the last thing that Obama will heed, why not insist on Shinseki’s resignation, immediately, knowing that Obama will ignore it. It’s red meat for the GOP base, and puts the GOP leadership ahead of the game when Shinseki– inevitably, a la Sebelius, does in fact resign.

Why not make it clear that the status quo is not acceptable, and at least create the appearance of having forced the President’s hand, instead of gamely going along with him… “Obama is just going to have to step up to the plate, blah blah…” Which, without any GOP pressure at all, he’ll pretend to do– as he did with the Sebelius resignation– and the media will cover for him.

Boehner may think he’s playing a deep game– obviously some here do– but in politics perception is everything. And Boehner looks indecisive, feckless, and weak. Quite an accomplishment alongside a president who is all of those things, too.

de rigueur on May 29, 2014 at 8:52 PM

Isn’t the idea fixing the problem?

Shinseki showed he can’t do it. Get him out, replace him with someone better.

We already know no one will be held accountable, so keeping him in place to get to the bottom of things is a waste of time and money.

talkingpoints on May 29, 2014 at 8:54 PM

the weeper of the house is a gutless tool.

ultracon on May 29, 2014 at 9:19 PM

Shinseki should be forced out immediately. He must be held accountable for the incompetence rampant in the VA. But, he should just be the first of many. The GOP should make an attempt to stand for accountability in government.

Those who think that keeping him at the post is politically more damaging to the Dems and Obama are being a bit too clever. One firing after another and the grilling of numerous local administrators will quickly make a line to the administration. And this the drum needs to be beaten that this is exactly the way that Obamacare will deal with all of us if we do not change course.

kpguru on May 29, 2014 at 9:28 PM

We’re past the point of Obama being able to make Shinseki the scapegoat. As you’ve already indicated, Shinseki’s shown himself to be a useless tool, and this thing goes way beyond him.

Problem is, now it’s Boehner showing himself to be the useless tool, acquiescing in an unacceptable status quo, and allowing this to play out exactly the way Obama and the media can manage it. When is it ever appropriate to throw a monkey wrench into the works?

de rigueur on May 29, 2014 at 8:34 PM

You’re right, others are right, but Boehner’s responsible for the resources of the House majority and therein lies his dilemma. And incentive, I think (am guessing) for him not coming straight out and demanding Shinseki resign. I agree with Boehner’s earlier comments (from about a week or more ago) wherein he said that by demanding Shinseki resign, it’d just place Congress in a bad, delaying cycle of “hearings after hearings” to confirm another Obama appointee…so I understand what he’s saying there as to how to address these problems with some effectiveness.

Our problem is Obama. Whoever he would appoint to replace Shinseki would repeat the same failure and it’s Obama who is responsible.

Which is why I earlier suggested that if there’s ANY means for Congress to make corrective actions where the funding of the VA is concerned, they really need to do that. Shinseki, like Sebelius, like Lerner, like Holder, all of them, aren’t going to flex and they’re not going to take responsibility. For anything.

Lourdes on May 29, 2014 at 9:54 PM

Shinseki should be forced out immediately. He must be held accountable for the incompetence rampant in the VA. But, he should just be the first of many. The GOP should make an attempt to stand for accountability in government.

Those who think that keeping him at the post is politically more damaging to the Dems and Obama are being a bit too clever. One firing after another and the grilling of numerous local administrators will quickly make a line to the administration. And this the drum needs to be beaten that this is exactly the way that Obamacare will deal with all of us if we do not change course.

kpguru on May 29, 2014 at 9:28 PM

If there was a way for Congress to penalize people such as Shinseki, also Lerner, Sebelius, Holder and more, that’d be the way to go. I agree that the GOP has to take the stand for accountability to the nation but even after finding Holder in contempt of Congress, Holder shows up and continues to insult them…so I wonder just what, specifically, the House/Boehner can do to remedy the VA situation aside from addressing who is funded and how. And to assign MEANINGFUL PENALTIES to those found in violation of ethics, standards, performance and expectations.

Firing people would work in most all situations. But can Congress fire Cabinet members? There’s a lot of work the House can do to remedy the lack of care involved and to penalize those responsible but it really seems that Obama’s gonna get corrupt people in high places as long as he’s in the Executive.

Lourdes on May 29, 2014 at 9:59 PM

Whatever fixes the problem, do it. Boehner in, out, Shinseki out, the whole lot of those responsible, out. But just plan ahead is what I’m saying.

Lourdes on May 29, 2014 at 10:02 PM

I agree that Shinseki’s done a rotten job but I also assign all blame for that to Obama.

Lourdes on May 29, 2014 at 6:41 PM

please ellaborate.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 29, 2014 at 10:09 PM

Amidst all of the table pounding, sound bite floating, lip servicing, vulnerable Dems running for the hills and demanding Shinseki’s resignation, establishment Republicans playing 17-dimensional chess by calculating the best way to maximize damage to the Dems without wounding them so badly that they can’t make deals on amnesty, Obamacare and every other progressive hobby horse you can imagine, there’s one thing that’s conspicuously absent; any actual concern for the veterans dying under the VA’s deliberate malfeasance.

A pox on both houses.

Gator Country on May 30, 2014 at 12:18 AM

Boehner is a RINO. That is all that you need to know.

Theophile on May 30, 2014 at 4:04 AM

Boehner is a moron.

RonRon on May 30, 2014 at 6:17 AM

Firing Shinseki would be a political stunt and nothing more.

With this administration’s anti-military viewpoint, our veterans will continue to get shafted regardless of who is in charge.

The only reason I can see for keeping Shinseki is because the ‘rats don’t want confirmation hearings, where the VA’s dirty laundry is aired for the nation to see.

Ted the Average on May 30, 2014 at 6:54 AM

Yet Boehner was re-elected. Thanks Ohio, you’re still pretty dull out there aren’t you?

Mr. Arrogant on May 30, 2014 at 9:20 AM

Ok you Krispy Kremers, keep voting for GOP. That way they can keep stabbing people in the back while ignoring you

Brock Robamney on May 30, 2014 at 12:01 PM

Boehner is correct in this case. The Democrats will toss Shinseki under the bus, declare the problem “fixed”, attempt to put all the blame in Shinseki, and then attempt to put the problem behind them. Simply throwing Shinseki overboard doesn’t fix the problem. The focus needs to be on the VETERANS, not on Shinseki.

Had I been Obama, I would have forced Shinseki to clean it up AND give a weekly public press conference as to the status of the cleanup and what has been uncovered/fixed.

crosspatch on May 30, 2014 at 12:06 PM

Boehner is correct in this case. The Democrats will toss Shinseki under the bus, declare the problem “fixed”, attempt to put all the blame in Shinseki, and then attempt to put the problem behind them. Simply throwing Shinseki overboard doesn’t fix the problem. The focus needs to be on the VETERANS, not on Shinseki.

crosspatch on May 30, 2014 at 12:06 PM

Wrong on both counts. Boehner blew it completely. GOP leadership might have taken some credit for insisting on government accountability from cabinet heads by demanding Shinseki’s resignation, while also insisting that the systemic problems at the VA be addressed. Instead, they get no credit for this at all– while even the former Speaker of the House acknowledges that Shinseki’s departure doesn’t fix the problem:

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif: ‘The departure of Secretary Shinseki will not solve the systemic challenges within the VA’ – @jbendery
see original on twitter.com

de rigueur on May 30, 2014 at 12:35 PM

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