WaPo columnist: Let’s blame Judd Apatow for Santa Barbara massacre

posted at 8:01 am on May 27, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

In the wake of mass murders, the media produces some wild and ludicrous fantasies that usually — and not coincidentally — revolve around the hobby horses of the analysts. The Washington Post offered an excellent example of this over the weekend, when Ann Hornaday argued that the real culprit for Eliot Rodger’s murder spree was … Judd Apatow, James Bond, and a bad Robert Downey flick that probably only Hornaday remembers.

No, seriously:

Indeed, as important as it is to understand Rodger’s actions within the context of the mental illness he clearly suffered, it’s just as clear that his delusions were inflated, if not created, by the entertainment industry he grew up in. With his florid rhetoric of self-pity, aggression and awkwardly forced “evil laugh,” Rodger resembled a noxious cross between Christian Bale’s slick sociopath in “American Psycho,” the thwarted womanizer in James Toback’s “The Pick-Up Artist” and every Bond villain in the canon.

As Rodger bemoaned his life of “loneliness, rejection and unfulfilled desire” and arrogantly announced that he would now prove his own status as “the true alpha male,” he unwittingly expressed the toxic double helix of insecurity and entitlement that comprises Hollywood’s DNA. For generations, mass entertainment has been overwhelmingly controlled by white men, whose escapist fantasies so often revolve around vigilantism and sexual wish-fulfillment (often, if not always, featuring a steady through-line of casual misogyny). Rodger’s rampage may be a function of his own profound distress, but it also shows how a sexist movie monoculture can be toxic for women and men alike.

How many students watch outsized frat-boy fantasies like “Neighbors” and feel, as Rodger did, unjustly shut out of college life that should be full of “sex and fun and pleasure”? How many men, raised on a steady diet of Judd Apatow comedies in which the shlubby arrested adolescent always gets the girl, find that those happy endings constantly elude them and conclude, “It’s not fair”?

There are plenty of grounds to criticize Hollywood for the coarsening of culture and the cheapening of the arts. Apatow can be criticized on those grounds, too. However, watching Hollywood movies does not create acute mental illness and sociopathic tendencies, especially not on an individual basis — and these are clearly the factors in play in the Santa Barbara massacre.

Even Hornaday finally admits that:

Even if 51 percent of our movies were made by women, Elliot Rodger still would have been seriously ill. But it’s worth examining who gets to be represented on screen, and how.

Talk about a non-sequitur. It may well be that representation in the arts is “worth examining,” but Hornaday admits at the end that her entire thesis is a false basis on which to frame that examination. Hornaday wanted an opportunity to gripe about the depiction of women on screen, and seized at the opportunity to exploit the Santa Barbara tragedy to gain some attention for her pet cause. That’s shameful.

Hornaday doesn’t even make sense as an art critic in this case, either. It’s a little ignorant to tie Apatow to the depictions of women in Bond films, American Psycho, and The Pick-Up Artist, which do tend to objectify women in whole or in part. Apatow’s films usually give women a fairly strong voice, to the point where the adolescent nature of the “shlubby” males is usually highlighted, and not really in a good way. For instance, in Knocked Up and in The 40 Year Old Virgin, it’s the men who have to grow up, usually because of the influence of the women. Apatow films aren’t the same genre as Porky’s or The Sex Drive, or other adolescent coming-of-age films in that sense.

To miss that in order to lump Apatow in with an utterly forgettable and regrettable film like The Pick-Up Artist (forgettable and regrettable on entirely separate artistic grounds) shows just how desperate Hornaday was to find any reason to talk about an imbalance of power in Hollywood, rather than the Santa Barbara massacre in any meaningful and intelligent manner. It’s sheer exploitation, fueled by non-sequiturs and inane equivalencies in a case that clearly is so singular that we rarely if ever see anything of its like.

Seth Rogen isn’t a fan of this column either, and I can’t blame him.


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Why don’t we blame the nutter who did the shooting for the shooting?

ConstantineXI on May 27, 2014 at 8:06 AM

How many students watch outsized frat-boy fantasies like “Neighbors” and feel, as Rodger did, unjustly shut out of college life that should be full of “sex and fun and pleasure”? How many men, raised on a steady diet of Judd Apatow comedies in which the shlubby arrested adolescent always gets the girl, find that those happy endings constantly elude them and conclude, “It’s not fair”?

Ummm…none?

kcewa on May 27, 2014 at 8:08 AM

The True Victim: Rodger

WordsMatter on May 27, 2014 at 8:10 AM

Yup…let’s blame ANYTHING but the parents and the actual you know corporate culture the kid grew up immersed in….

stupidity thy byline is always in Al-Wa-Po or Al-NYT

harlekwin15 on May 27, 2014 at 8:11 AM

Yup…let’s blame ANYTHING but the parents and the actual you know corporate culture the kid grew up immersed in….

stupidity thy byline is always in Al-Wa-Po or Al-NYT

harlekwin15 on May 27, 2014 at 8:11 AM

It wasn’t the parents, the culture or Islam. It was just a kid with a mental illness.

kcewa on May 27, 2014 at 8:14 AM

Idiot

cmsinaz on May 27, 2014 at 8:14 AM

We got plenty of idiots on our side also.

Santa Barbara Killing Can Be Blamed in Part on Corrupt College Culture

lowandslow on May 27, 2014 at 8:15 AM

Why don’t we blame the nutter who did the shooting for the shooting?

ConstantineXI on May 27, 2014 at 8:06 AM

AND HIS ENABLERS. Look, his parents and the mental health professionals treating him (if we can even call them that) are also responsible.

dogsoldier on May 27, 2014 at 8:15 AM

Stupid on parade
every day

bazil9 on May 27, 2014 at 8:16 AM

Gee, Ann, you mean we can’t blame Boooosh or the NRA? Could it possibly be true that maybe the kid’s upbringing could have attributed to his mindset?

HiJack on May 27, 2014 at 8:16 AM

How many students watch outsized frat-boy fantasies like “Neighbors” and feel, as Rodger did, unjustly shut out of college life that should be full of “sex and fun and pleasure”? How many men, raised on a steady diet of Judd Apatow comedies in which the shlubby arrested adolescent always gets the girl, find that those happy endings constantly elude them and conclude, “It’s not fair”?

First of all, Neighbors ain’t a Judd Apatow movie. Secondly, did this moron even see the film(or at least read the Wikipedia plot summary)? Things don’t work out too well for the Zac Efron character.

And with regard to actual Judd Apatow movies, those are not about life being nothing but “sex and fun and pleasure”. The 40 Year Old Virgin is about an overgrown geek who tries to set aside his video games and action figures when he falls in love with a middle-aged mother of 3(and grandmother of 1). Knocked Up is about a 23 year-old stoner who has to quickly grow up when he gets drunk and…well, the title should spell it out for you. Funny People…that movie just sucked. And This Is 40 might’ve been marketed as a comedy, but it’s actually got some pretty dark, unpleasant moments that depict a marriage crumbling under emotional and economic strain.

Doughboy on May 27, 2014 at 8:17 AM

It wasn’t the parents, the culture or Islam. It was just a kid with a mental illness.

kcewa on May 27, 2014 at 8:14 AM

You take a kid with mental problems that according to his “Manifesto” would have been pretty apparent at ~ age 6…really expressing directed lethal rage b/c you were too short for a roller coaster? and give him as he ages all the tools needed to inflict the distorted view of sexual congress, natural order, and the rights of man on the world….

yeah not bad parenting at all to give a kid you KNEW was f**ked up enough to need to be in an “assisted living” environment by age 22 the financial means to spend 5,000 bucks or so on gunning up to drive the late model beemer you give him up to a Sorority heavy dwelling after icing three roomies.

Guy let’s not quibble the deal here is this little a-hole felt he was the star of a movie and the entire planet was nothing more than his guest stars and extras…

Generation Tippy Cup meets American Psycho

harlekwin15 on May 27, 2014 at 8:18 AM

AND HIS ENABLERS. Look, his parents and the mental health professionals treating him (if we can even call them that) are also responsible.

dogsoldier on May 27, 2014 at 8:15 AM

Amen, her was at an assisted living metal health village and under psychiatric care…

I’m dying to know how much of his freedom to kill was a result of his dad walking the kid right up to the edge but never allowing him to go over the precipice to a full blown diagnosis…..

I’m betting “a lot.”

harlekwin15 on May 27, 2014 at 8:20 AM

It wasn’t the parents, the culture or Islam. It was just a kid with a mental illness.
kcewa on May 27, 2014 at 8:14 AM

Just?

Tell me why, then, we are seeing an increase in this kind of behavior from this kind of individual.

Cleombrotus on May 27, 2014 at 8:22 AM

I’m guessing that if you dig deeper you will find that his parents never used the word “NO” with him while growing up — on the rare occasion they actually interacted with their ostensible child.

Personally I’m convinced that the vast majority of these kind of problems stem from parents and their lack of true interest in their offspring. This “kid” had all the cars he could want, all the “toys” he could want all the things and none of the actual parenting.

clippermiami on May 27, 2014 at 8:22 AM

Let’s blame Judd Apatow…

The left is eating its own. I’ve never liked Judd’s movies but I’ve never wanted his voice silenced. Hopefully, this run-in with the blame everyone and everything but the perp crowd will open his eyes to the hungry, liberal fascist sharks that are encircling him.

Fallon on May 27, 2014 at 8:23 AM

The kid was a nut, but it’s a miracle this took so long to happen. Isla Vista has been a decadent anything-goes cesspool forever. All of the worst features of the dark side if our ‘Higher Education’ are constantly on display. It is the perfect place for a psychopath to be nurtured without interruption by any responsible adults. If this kid couldn’t get laid in I.V., he had to have obvious problems.

MikeinPRCA on May 27, 2014 at 8:27 AM

But it’s worth examining who gets to be represented on screen, and how.

Right on, Hollyweird needs to make more movies about goofball rejects who never get the girl, never become happy, and never manage to do more with their lives than become DMV clerks drifting through life.

Or just make movies starring colored fellas who take it to Big Whitey with energy and passion.

Bishop on May 27, 2014 at 8:28 AM

I blame the car and the knife as much as I blame the gun. Those weren’t any ol’ Saturday night specials he had. They were expensive and the ammo isn’t that cheap, either. You’d think that as much as the nsa watches what we say and the wh keeps tabs on You-tube videos, they would have known what this guy was up to and could have connected the dots. It also seems prudent that if he had some serious mental problems, the shrink could be allowed to report it to the atf, since sooner or later the patient has a good chance of going down the mass murder path.

Kissmygrits on May 27, 2014 at 8:29 AM

harlekwin15 on May 27, 2014 at 8:20 AM

Parents were lefties? When was the last time you met one who would admit they might have been responsible for something “bad” in the world, including a kid who was created with synapses which didn’t fire in the right order.

Bishop on May 27, 2014 at 8:32 AM

Guy let’s not quibble

harlekwin15 on May 27, 2014 at 8:18 AM

OK.

kcewa on May 27, 2014 at 8:33 AM

clippermiami on May 27, 2014 at 8:22 AM

Thank you!!!

Every time something happens, Mental Illness!!! Mental Illness!!! Mental Illness!!!

He looked/sounded like a frustrated person who had no idea how to deal with his frustration other than getting angry and lashing out.

JAGonzo on May 27, 2014 at 8:34 AM

Response to a Salon article:

The true culprits are, of course, guns (mustn’t miss liberals’ favorite low-hanging fruit), as well as a “culture of misogyny and toxic masculinity” that has created a “system that denies [womens’] humanity.”

You’d think this knife-wielding, vehicular assaulting killer was raised in Hollywood or something…

Fallon on May 27, 2014 at 8:34 AM

So to sum up: “I’m going to use this tragedy to b***h about my personal grievances that I learned in ‘Gender Studies’ class”

Hey great.

Dash on May 27, 2014 at 8:36 AM

Parents were lefties? When was the last time you met one who would admit they might have been responsible for something “bad” in the world, including a kid who was created with synapses which didn’t fire in the right order.

Bishop on May 27, 2014 at 8:32 AM

Parents were 5 alarm moonbats… and by “parents” I mean Dad and Step-Mom….

Mom was likely a Tiger Mom given her Indonesian roots…

UCSB Limp-D**k shooter was in all likelihood viewed dispassionately from outside their little hallucinogenic sewing circle a kid of average abilities convinced he was Bruce Wayne in ability who was enraged that the world’s assessment of his worth did not jive with his self-assessment.

If the media does its job we’re gonna find out a lot…which means they will NOT do their job.

harlekwin15 on May 27, 2014 at 8:36 AM

escapist fantasies so often revolve around vigilantism and sexual wish-fulfillment

No simpleton. It was due to an under-diagnosed mental condition and a life of liberal entitlement mentality. A most toxic mix cocktail that is brewing among many of our young.

Walter L. Newton on May 27, 2014 at 8:38 AM

As kids we watched Roadruner, never hit anyone with an ACME racket launcher. Any MGM cartoon, never hit anyone with a hammer. Worst of all the 3 stooges, never poked anyone in the eyes. There is a line between real and fantasy. Parents can define that line or NOT.

faol on May 27, 2014 at 8:39 AM

Oh my. How about the obvious culprit- bad parenting?

Instead of having their publicists and supporters leak snippets to the press intended to somehow provoke sympathy, deflect future lawsuits and place blame on the police- maybe they should look in the mirror?

No, of course not. Even as 7 other people have lost their babies because of this maniac, it’s still all about them.

Marcus Traianus on May 27, 2014 at 8:39 AM

harlekwin15 on May 27, 2014 at 8:36 AM

That’s what I thought, the perfect liberal parents, people who would never go full-disclosure to a psychiatrist about their nutty kid because of the stigma it might cause on the cocktail party circuit.

Bishop on May 27, 2014 at 8:41 AM

The gun control argument in this(or any, for that matter) case is so weak, you’ve got liberals shooting inside the tent in all directions…. so to speak. Rather interesting to watch.

Dongemaharu on May 27, 2014 at 8:43 AM

My post above isn’t meant to imply that mental illness never plays a role in anything that happens, but like most things in life, you have to evaluate each situation as it arises. Looking at this kids video, he doesn’t seem psychotic or deranged. People with real mental disorders are being done a huge disservice when every person who does something bad is automatically called crazy.

JAGonzo on May 27, 2014 at 8:43 AM

I blame Huey Lewis and the News.

forest on May 27, 2014 at 8:44 AM

OT
So googlehas a graphic this am but couldn’t be bothered for one yesterday????

cmsinaz on May 27, 2014 at 8:44 AM

Judd Apatow = NRA = bitter clinger

Ha ha ha

And poor Seth Rogen doesn’t much like it.

Maybe he’s just a racist!

MistyLane on May 27, 2014 at 8:44 AM

That’s what I thought, the perfect liberal parents, people who would never go full-disclosure to a psychiatrist about their nutty kid because of the stigma it might cause on the cocktail party circuit.

Bishop on May 27, 2014 at 8:41 AM

Maybe if they’d spent more time with their kid rather than the cocktail party circuit he might not have turned into a violent nutter.

In all such cases the parents share in the blame.

ConstantineXI on May 27, 2014 at 8:46 AM

Just?

Tell me why, then, we are seeing an increase in this kind of behavior from this kind of individual.

Cleombrotus on May 27, 2014 at 8:22 AM

I think the operative word here is “seeing”. We live in a media saturated environment that publicizes these stories. The increase isn’t in the behavior; just that we’re more aware of it.

kcewa on May 27, 2014 at 8:47 AM

The gun control argument in this(or any, for that matter) case is so weak, you’ve got liberals shooting inside the tent in all directions…. so to speak. Rather interesting to watch.

Dongemaharu on May 27, 2014 at 8:43 AM

The prototypical mass shooter seems to be a leftist nutter. Perhaps it’s time to recognize leftism as a mental disorder?

ConstantineXI on May 27, 2014 at 8:48 AM

So googlehas a graphic this am but couldn’t be bothered for one yesterday????

cmsinaz on May 27, 2014 at 8:44 AM

I saw that. You notice that there aren’t any malaria bearing mosquitoes in her paradise? Or any Africans dying of malaria? So no need for DDT!

kcewa on May 27, 2014 at 8:49 AM

Hornaday reads like the typical feminist who is mad at the world because she couldn’t get the guy she wanted. I guess we should be happy she isn’t killing people over it.

NotCoach on May 27, 2014 at 8:50 AM

Indeed kcewa

cmsinaz on May 27, 2014 at 8:51 AM

He looked/sounded like a frustrated person who had no idea how to deal with his frustration other than getting angry and lashing out.

JAGonzo on May 27, 2014 at 8:34 AM

He was getting treatment for mental health problems since he was eight. He was a sociopath at least and his “mental health professional” called the cops a convenient half hour AFTER he started his rampage.

In many of the recent mass killings the person doing the killing was someone who needed the very best possible care INSIDE a mental health facility. But, the psycho crazies have defenders and enablers who find it easier to blame the hammer than the hand that wields it.

After all, they would have to admit they effed up, and we can’t have that!

dogsoldier on May 27, 2014 at 8:51 AM

mass entertainment has been overwhelmingly controlled by white men

“Ahhh… It’s a White Priviledge deal… That takes the pressure off.” – to paraphrase Steve Martin…

Let’s not forget the hip hop entertainment industry controlled by BLACK men and their attitudes towards women either, shall we?

Skywise on May 27, 2014 at 8:51 AM

I think the operative word here is “seeing”. We live in a media saturated environment that publicizes these stories. The increase isn’t in the behavior; just that we’re more aware of it.

kcewa on May 27, 2014 at 8:47 AM

Exactly. It’s given more attention because such stories are meant to drive the gun-grabber agenda.

Shootings on this scale happen almost daily in Urban Paradises like Chicago. Indeed, most gun crime is committed in such places. But it’s mostly black on black, so it doesn’t get reported.

ConstantineXI on May 27, 2014 at 8:51 AM

The parents called the cops on this kid. Who has been a high functioning mentally ill guy for a long time. Same as the Tuscon, AZ killer. The Aurora, CO. killer’s psychiatrist went to the police — breaking the doctor – patient confidentiality — because he was a danger.

It’s not gun laws that need to be re-examined, it’s mental health laws. And that is fraught with danger.

How many students watch outsized frat-boy fantasies like “Neighbors” and feel, as Rodger did, unjustly shut out of college life that should be full of “sex and fun and pleasure”?

Then please explain Jack the Ripper. Or Billy the Kid.

rbj on May 27, 2014 at 8:52 AM

Looking at this kids video, he doesn’t seem psychotic or deranged.

JAGonzo on May 27, 2014 at 8:43 AM

Great argument.

bazil9 on May 27, 2014 at 8:55 AM

Then please explain Jack the Ripper. Or Billy the Kid.

rbj on May 27, 2014 at 8:52 AM

Those misogynistic plays by Shakespeare.

NotCoach on May 27, 2014 at 8:55 AM

…unjustly shut out of college life that should be full of “sex and fun and pleasure…”

Really? Tell that to the Pre-Med student tools…and the parents who are shelling out tens of thousands of dollars for their special snowflake to get their fill of “sex and fun and pleasure…” No need to do something radical, like learn anything.

NavyMustang on May 27, 2014 at 8:56 AM

Then please explain Jack the Ripper. Or Billy the Kid.
rbj on May 27, 2014 at 8:52 AM

Well, Billy was involved in a range war which is where some of his killing came from, but at any rate he was a piker compared to socialists of all stripes. Billy killed with a six iron, they kill with government.

Akzed on May 27, 2014 at 8:58 AM

From the info coming out, this guy was a wack job and in therapy since age 8.
And everyone who knew him, realized this guy was wacked.

sniffles1999 on May 27, 2014 at 8:58 AM

dogsoldier on May 27, 2014 at 8:51 AM

I think he was a victim of bad parenting. Bad parents who didn’t know how to handle a kid who has anger issues. The “obvious” explanation is he must be crazy, so they begin taking him to a shrink.

I don’t understand how someone who is so “crazy” that they have been receiving help for almost 15 years and yet they can function out in society, partying and going to college, but still don’t have their issues under control.

I think taking him to the shrink just made him angrier. Rich parents letting someone else, in this case a “mental health professional”, do the parenting created this particular situation.

JAGonzo on May 27, 2014 at 9:02 AM

The only thing I’ll say in defense here is there’s a certain schadenfreude at play here in seeing Hollywood get a taste of what it’s stars, writers, directors and producers have been dishing out to the NRA and other gun-rights supporters for the past quarter-century.

Given that Rodger’s father was part of Hollywood’s semi-elite as a assistant director on major films (and with a side hobby of artistically photographing hot actresses keisters), dumping off the blame onto Hollywood instead of putting it on Elliot Rodger makes as much sense as dumping it off on the NRA.

The mitigating circumstance here would be if Hornaday’s claim was to gain any traction at all, it might actually cause a few people in the entertainment industry, and especially TV news, to go back to the idea of both personal responsibility and earlier action by the families and law enforcement officials when deal with young people showing signs of angry mental illness. The Rodger family being accountable for their son suddenly would look better as an answer to those types, if the alternative was seeing the images and story lines they manufacture suddenly come under the spotlight of the big government PC police.

jon1979 on May 27, 2014 at 9:02 AM

The parents called the cops on this kid. Who has been a high functioning mentally ill guy for a long time. Same as the Tuscon, AZ killer. The Aurora, CO. killer’s psychiatrist went to the police — breaking the doctor – patient confidentiality — because he was a danger.

It’s not gun laws that need to be re-examined, it’s mental health laws. And that is fraught with danger.

rbj on May 27, 2014 at 8:52 AM

Indeed that is fraught with danger.

While I agree that by law, nutters shouldn’t be allowed to have guns, the problem then becomes who gets to declare who is mentally unfit, and more importantly, what constitutes unfitness?

There is a lot of danger in allowing politics in that, when we have a government arming itself to the teeth under a delusion that “returning veterans” are the #1 potential domestic threat.

While we often say here that liberalism is a mental disease, I don’t think conservatives would ever actually ACT to make it one. On the other hand, liberals would most definitely declare conservatism an actual mental disorder if they could.

ConstantineXI on May 27, 2014 at 9:03 AM

How many students watch outsized frat-boy fantasies like “Neighbors” and feel, as Rodger did, unjustly shut out of college life that should be full of “sex and fun and pleasure”?

Good grief.

Maybe this clown has a point: all art and entertainment should reflect socialist realism, where everyone’s right to bang a coed is fulfilled.

At the end of every movie or TV show, a bureaucrat would come to the rescue and provide a sorority sister for the happy ending. Then we wouldn’t have these problems.

Akzed on May 27, 2014 at 9:04 AM

From the info coming out, this guy was a wack job and in therapy since age 8.
And everyone who knew him, realized this guy was wacked.

sniffles1999 on May 27, 2014 at 8:58 AM

So the question then is why was he allowed to have guns when he shouldn’t have been UNDER EXISTING LAW had it been enforced?

What is the point of passing new laws that won’t be enforced?

ConstantineXI on May 27, 2014 at 9:05 AM

bazil9 on May 27, 2014 at 8:55 AM

How do you evaluate mental illness?

JAGonzo on May 27, 2014 at 9:05 AM

How do you evaluate mental illness? JAGonzo on May 27, 2014 at 9:05 AM

The American Psychiatric Assoc plays it safe and basically defines all human activities as causes for procuring its members’ services.

Akzed on May 27, 2014 at 9:08 AM

JAGonzo on May 27, 2014 at 9:02 AM

In this case he WAS mentally ill. There are several forms of really dangerous mental illness where the person in question may appear “normal” some of the time. He has apparently posted intentions of committing violent acts several times, which leads one to think he expressed many more to those responsible for giving him care.

He needed to be committed and I heard this morning this was attempted a few weeks ago, but the courts blocked it for some reason.

So the fact is, he was a known threat and was ALLOWED to roam freely.

dogsoldier on May 27, 2014 at 9:10 AM

ConstantineXI on May 27, 2014 at 9:05 AM

I looked into that. The answer is this: If a mental health professional does not go to court, file certain paperwork and convince a judge, NO RECORD of the patients mental illness is available to law enforcement or to the people performing background checks.

The mental health “professionals” are the one culpable here.

dogsoldier on May 27, 2014 at 9:13 AM

Even Hornaday finally admits that:

Even if 51 percent of our movies were made by women, Elliot Rodger still would have been seriously ill. But it’s worth examining who gets to be represented on screen, and how.

Ed, you say a lot of weird stuff but this one takes the cake. Quoting an idiot like Ann Hornaday approvingly, when in this quote she is blaming the patriarchy for mass murder, has me dumbfounded. You don’t seriously agree with that quote, do you?

MTF on May 27, 2014 at 9:13 AM

Mom was likely a Tiger Mom given her Indonesian roots…

If the media does its job we’re gonna find out a lot…which means they will NOT do their job.

harlekwin15 on May 27, 2014 at 8:36 AM

“Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, huh?

ToddPA on May 27, 2014 at 9:14 AM

He wasn’t in college. He took classes now and then at the local community college but dropped out.

Blake on May 27, 2014 at 9:14 AM

OT
So googlehas a graphic this am but couldn’t be bothered for one yesterday????

cmsinaz on May 27, 2014 at 8:44 AM

I believe they had a flag-colored ribbon displayed. Bear in mind that Google is an international company, though based in the USA, and displaying prominent American symbols doesn’t yield them much love outside of North America.

Rix on May 27, 2014 at 9:14 AM

Mom was likely a Tiger Mom given her Indonesian roots…

harlekwin15 on May 27, 2014 at 8:36 AM

Indonesian roots… Yeah, I think we found the problem.

Rix on May 27, 2014 at 9:16 AM

Akzed on May 27, 2014 at 9:08 AM

Exactly. Just look at ADHD. Apparently, if a child can’t sit still for hours on end, they must be medicated because they are suffering from ADHD.

JAGonzo on May 27, 2014 at 9:19 AM

“Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, huh?

ToddPA on May 27, 2014 at 9:14 AM

Hi pressure “YOU CAN SUCCEED YOU WILL BE GREAT!” to an indulged narcissistic timebomb is rage fuel…

funny quip though…

The English dad likely said this at some point though:

Argyle, ARGYLE what is this bald chimpanzee looking thing?

“An infant sir.”

Well where the heck did it come from?

“Your former wife sir.”

Don’t let it track up the wet bar….

harlekwin15 on May 27, 2014 at 9:22 AM

If, as Ann Hornaday claims

Indeed, as important as it is to understand Rodger’s actions within the context of the mental illness he clearly suffered, it’s just as clear that his delusions were inflated, if not created, by the entertainment industry he grew up in. With his florid rhetoric of self-pity, aggression and awkwardly forced “evil laugh,” Rodger resembled a noxious cross between Christian Bale’s slick sociopath in “American Psycho,” the thwarted womanizer in James Toback’s “The Pick-Up Artist” and every Bond villain in the canon.

why does she not criticize Democrats for grovelling at Hollywood’s feet and their dependence on Hollywood to “guide” the public on political issues?

JohnFLob on May 27, 2014 at 9:22 AM

Indonesian roots… Yeah, I think we found the problem.

Rix on May 27, 2014 at 9:16 AM

If the Kid ate Dog I’m out.

harlekwin15 on May 27, 2014 at 9:22 AM

bazil9 on May 27, 2014 at 8:55 AM

How do you evaluate mental illness?

JAGonzo on May 27, 2014 at 9:05 AM

Not by watching a video and saying gee…he/she doesn’t seem psychotic or deranged.

I worked as a juvenile psych tech in a residential facility…
and as Dog Solider just said ^^ they can appear quite normal at times..then flip a switch.

Looking at his past history, since he was a young child- I’d speculate he had major mental issues.

Not to say his upbringing wasn’t a factor,it may have been a formula for disaster.

bazil9 on May 27, 2014 at 9:24 AM

dogsoldier on May 27, 2014 at 9:10 AM

Was it the first time they tried to have him committed? From what I have seen, he has never been committed, involuntarily or otherwise. 15 years of therapy and only now is he crazy enough to commit.

JAGonzo on May 27, 2014 at 9:26 AM

bazil9 on May 27, 2014 at 9:24 AM

An I would argue that isn’t being crazy. Someone who is in control until they don’t want to be? People who are crazy require medication to control their issues.

JAGonzo on May 27, 2014 at 9:31 AM

Was it the first time they tried to have him committed? From what I have seen, he has never been committed, involuntarily or otherwise. 15 years of therapy and only now is he crazy enough to commit.

JAGonzo on May 27, 2014 at 9:26 AM

Whether or not this was the first time someone attempted to commit the little prince does not matter. That some squish woke up and realized they needed to try DOES MATTER.

What you don’t seem to understand is that parents with big bucks provide big paychecks to “therapists” who may lose those big paychecks or have them substantially reduced if the loony toon prince gets committed.

Also it’s a blatant admission of treatment failure.

dogsoldier on May 27, 2014 at 9:37 AM

dogsoldier on May 27, 2014 at 9:37 AM

And this is exactly a reason why a kid who may not be crazy may be required to attend weekly therapy sessions for 15 years.

JAGonzo on May 27, 2014 at 9:44 AM

The American Psychiatric Assoc plays it safe and basically defines all human activities as causes for procuring its members’ services.

Akzed on May 27, 2014 at 9:08 AM

Of course they removed Narcissism from their list of mental disorders when we elected an extreme narcissist President.

ConstantineXI on May 27, 2014 at 9:44 AM

You don’t seriously agree with that quote, do you?

MTF on May 27, 2014 at 9:13 AM

It’s fairly obvious he didn’t. He’s using it to say that even she doesn’t think her thesis has any real support.

I’m going to toss one more culture bit into the mix: education. Specifically literature. I wonder how much of this guy’s problem was simply that he didn’t grow up immersed in a culture based on the classics – where suffering your fate with dignity and carrying on despite tragedy was a main theme? He was never taught – and it ties together with the “special snowflake” culture, the stories Hollyweird and the media tells, modern psychiatry, etc. – that when you suffer unjustly at the hands of the world, that you pick yourself up and move on, living a noble life as your revenge.

Ironically, I saw Amazing Spiderman 2 this weekend. It sets up this very contrast: Peter Parker’s life sucks in a lot of ways, but he takes something like a radioactive spider bite and turns himself into a superhero (even though many don’t appreciate his sesrvice); Harry Osborne takes a tragic fate and turns into the Green Goblin (if you thought you needed a spoiler alert for that, where have you been for the last 40 years?); Max turns his rejection ultimately into anger at being ignored and becomes the villain (yeah, I’m surprised someone hasn’t called for it to be pulled from the theaters because of last Friday’s events). Parker is the only one that is even remotely happy – despite some massive tragedy.

But, Spiderman was based on the classics – heroes are heroes because of how they act in the midst of tragedy and loss, not just because they have special powers.

GWB on May 27, 2014 at 9:45 AM

And this is exactly a reason why a kid who may not be crazy may be required to attend weekly therapy sessions for 15 years.

JAGonzo on May 27, 2014 at 9:44 AM

Are you saying this guy wasn’t mentally ill? We are discussing this specific person. He clearly was mentally ill. Not everyone getting therapy posts multiple notes online expressing the plan to go out and commit acts of violence.

dogsoldier on May 27, 2014 at 9:48 AM

Because I know the ultimate liberal goal is to disarm the entire nation, using shooting violence as an excuse–I sincerely pray after every shooting incident “Please don’t let it be a white male. Please don’t let it be a white male.” This time, at least, my prayers were answered.

As for seeking mental help. What help??? Most shrinks are liberal nut jobs themselves who will only racapitulate the same liberal perorations about society, white males, environment, racism and even global warming as being the causes of his problems.

MaiDee on May 27, 2014 at 9:49 AM

Shootings on this scale happen almost daily in Urban Paradises like Chicago. Indeed, most gun crime is committed in such places. But it’s mostly black on black, so it doesn’t get reported.
ConstantineXI on May 27, 2014 at 8:51 AM

I’m sorry but the only thing these two situations have in common is muzzle vocity.

Cleombrotus on May 27, 2014 at 9:53 AM

Mom was likely a Tiger Mom given her Indonesian roots…

If the media does its job we’re gonna find out a lot…which means they will NOT do their job.

harlekwin15 on May 27, 2014 at 8:36 AM

Not at all. Glancing through his autobiography, it seems the parent who was willing to instil discipline in his life was his stepmom.

It’s almost nauseating how much external validation he craved for even as a child – the type of episodes from his childhood he’d see as remarkable are almost absurd to me. Then he never grew out of it and became a self-absorbed, needy, lunatic who blamed others for his self-hate while feeling entitled to be admired. He only was capable of empathy for himself – albeit in that regard, to a limitless extent.

Maybe more time with his stepmother who was the only one placing limits on his self-centered behaviour and would at least control the time he’d spend playing online games and take away his game console after his temper tantrums could have helped him.

joana on May 27, 2014 at 9:59 AM

The kid clearly needed many more reality checks before the age of 20 than he received. He became an outcast at an early age and couldn’t get what he wanted while those he knew could. It seems that by adulthood he’d already created his own self-steeped world-view and was rejecting any arguments to the contrary.

The postings of the YOUTube videos should have earned him a 72 hr observation vacation in a mental ward, but because he was functional enough to “act normal” he might very well have beaten it and still killed.

It’s a big world and bad things happen. Wiring goes bad and houses burn. Some people begin life with every disadvantage, yet struggle through and succeed. Others begin with what seems to be every advantage and jump the rails and self destruct and/or kill. No amount of nannyism or parenting or law making or healthcare is going to save them all.

ROCnPhilly on May 27, 2014 at 10:00 AM

ROCnPhilly on May 27, 2014 at 10:00 AM

Absolutely spot on. Still, we should try and we need to recognize the problem and deal with that. Emptying the asylums was not the correct thing to do. It was, in fact, a huge mistake.

dogsoldier on May 27, 2014 at 10:06 AM

dogsoldier on May 27, 2014 at 9:48 AM

Holy Jesus. Are you really asking me that? Of course I don’t think he was mentally ill. How do you know he wasn’t kept in treatment because of the deep pockets of his parents? Do you have access to medical files?

JAGonzo on May 27, 2014 at 10:08 AM

joana on May 27, 2014 at 9:59 AM

Not being snarky I read the manifesto and I watched the vids his StepMom may well have been his anchor but my understanding is she was aged more as a big sister rather than parent.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/05/27/elliot-rodgers-family-tried-to-intervene-before-deadly-rampage/

harlekwin15 on May 27, 2014 at 10:11 AM

JAGonzo on May 27, 2014 at 10:08 AM

In that case you are ignoring the facts. They finally tried to commit him for cryin’ out loud. A person has to be a total nut case before “mental health professionals” will take that step.

His mental illness really does put a crimp in the socialists gun grabbing agenda, doesn’t it? His doctor tried to cover their butt by calling the cops, just a little to late.

dogsoldier on May 27, 2014 at 10:19 AM

Not being snarky I read the manifesto and I watched the vids his StepMom may well have been his anchor but my understanding is she was aged more as a big sister rather than parent.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/05/27/elliot-rodgers-family-tried-to-intervene-before-deadly-rampage/

harlekwin15 on May 27, 2014 at 10:11 AM

I didn’t get that feeling at all. The few examples he gives of being disciplined were by his stepmother. And if you read the manifesto, you know his mother wasn’t a Tiger Mom. He might be an unreliable narrator but I doubt he’d obfuscate this. What exactly is the relevancy of the article you linked?

joana on May 27, 2014 at 10:21 AM

An I would argue that isn’t being crazy. Someone who is in control until they don’t want to be? People who are crazy require medication to control their issues.

JAGonzo on May 27, 2014 at 9:31 AM

And I would say your don’t know squat about severe mental illness, and you are coming from lack of 22 years of detailed information about this kids life.

All you have is your opinion masquerading as fact.

Walter L. Newton on May 27, 2014 at 10:22 AM

I didn’t get that feeling at all. The few examples he gives of being disciplined were by his stepmother. And if you read the manifesto, you know his mother wasn’t a Tiger Mom. He might be an unreliable narrator but I doubt he’d obfuscate this. What exactly is the relevancy of the article you linked?

joana on May 27, 2014 at 10:21 AM

Blood mom was the parent thast finally dropped the hammer on “uh oh.”

I could be wrong, and would happy to be proven wrong but it seems to me that yes the kid is an unreliable narrator and that the mother was the person who grasped the depths of venom in the kid.

Like I said if reporters do their job we’ll know…so we likely won’t.

harlekwin15 on May 27, 2014 at 10:24 AM

The guy is a deluded narcissist, not that much different from a deluded narcissist who, say, is a better speechwriter than his speechwriters or a better policy director than his policy directors.

But it’s a nice change of pace from blaming the NRA.

Maddie on May 27, 2014 at 10:25 AM

The guy is a deluded narcissist, not that much different from a deluded narcissist who, say, is a better speechwriter than his speechwriters or a better policy director than his policy directors.

But it’s a nice change of pace from blaming the NRA.

Maddie on May 27, 2014 at 10:25 AM

UCSB Limp Di** shooter had a pretty high assessment of his worth…reality did not concur so he threw a fit.

harlekwin15 on May 27, 2014 at 10:29 AM

I blame California’s lax gun laws.

Tard on May 27, 2014 at 10:29 AM

dogsoldier on May 27, 2014 at 10:19 AM

Again, after 15 years of therapy. 15 years of some doctor telling him something is wrong with him. It took 15 years before someone realized he needed to be committed?

JAGonzo on May 27, 2014 at 10:35 AM

Walter L. Newton on May 27, 2014 at 10:22 AM

Thanks doc. All your years in clinical psychology make you the authority right? I assume you have access to his medical records along with dogsoldier.

JAGonzo on May 27, 2014 at 10:36 AM

Again, after 15 years of therapy. 15 years of some doctor telling him something is wrong with him. It took 15 years before someone realized he needed to be committed?

JAGonzo on May 27, 2014 at 10:35 AM

What do you know about narcissistic personality disorder? Can you run down some of the personality traits? Does a person with narcissistic personality disorder have a keen ability to finesse his way, lie, cheat and act so delightful to those he considers beneath himself?

Why don’t you stop while you’re ahead?

Walter L. Newton on May 27, 2014 at 10:39 AM

I blame California’s lax gun laws.

Tard on May 27, 2014 at 10:29 AM

If one views ‘gun control’ as a way to help lessen risk and not as some confiscation conspiracy, then Cali’s gun laws worked as intended here.

No doubt many factor contributed to his motivation, but if one looks rationally at the act itself, he managed to kill 3 people and himself with his guns. People say ‘even in a state with stricter gun control this happens’. But among those controls is a ban on high capacity mags. Maxed out at 10 rounds…not 30+. One can not rationally look at that and not understand that as a result, less people were killed. Less people may have also been killed because he had bad aim. But if had 30/60 rounds to fire at a time without reloading or grabbing another weapon, that wouldn’t have mattered as much.

verbaluce on May 27, 2014 at 10:35 AM

verbaluce on May 27, 2014 at 10:41 AM

WALTER!!! Your Mother Is Calling! WALTER!!

Tard on May 27, 2014 at 10:41 AM

Walter L. Newton on May 27, 2014 at 10:39 AM

That wouldn’t be any fun, now would it. So you have read some stuff on the internet and that makes you any more capable of diagnosing mental illness based off news reports than me?

JAGonzo on May 27, 2014 at 10:41 AM

Thanks doc. All your years in clinical psychology make you the authority right? I assume you have access to his medical records along with dogsoldier.

JAGonzo on May 27, 2014 at 10:36 AM

Nope. And that’s why I told you…

you are coming from lack of 22 years of detailed information about this kids life.

And you also have no idea if I have any authority to speak about mental issues. But I can see by every comment you post, that you don’t.

Walter L. Newton on May 27, 2014 at 10:42 AM

Blame everyone but the person that did it…

albill on May 27, 2014 at 10:43 AM

That wouldn’t be any fun, now would it. So you have read some stuff on the internet and that makes you any more capable of diagnosing mental illness based off news reports than me?

JAGonzo on May 27, 2014 at 10:41 AM

You also know what I read did or didn’t read on the internet?

Walter L. Newton on May 27, 2014 at 10:43 AM

Hey verabldouche, it’s not ‘less’ people, it’s ‘fewer’ people.
Try to be correct while you regurgitate the lies you’ve been fed, m-Kay?

Tard on May 27, 2014 at 10:43 AM

Walter L. Newton on May 27, 2014 at 10:42 AM

So you don’t. Well thanks for posting your opinion about my opinion.

JAGonzo on May 27, 2014 at 10:44 AM

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