Quotes of the day

posted at 10:41 pm on May 27, 2014 by Allahpundit

There are no absolute certainties when it comes to mass killers, but a few things come close. Someone will use the term “disaffected youth” to describe the perpetrator. Somewhere there will be a diary—either Tweets, blogs, YouTube videos or scrawled musings in a lined notebook. And the murderer will—with more than a 98% certainty—be male…

There is no shortage of explanations for the overwhelming maleness of the monster population. Some of the answers reveal a lot—and yet nothing at all. Testosterone fuels aggression. Stipulated. Boys take longer to mature than girls. Stipulated. And like the forebrains of young females, those of young males are not fully myelinated until the late 20s or even early 30s. The forebrain is where executive functions—impulse control, reflection, awareness of consequences—live. In the case of males, who are already trip-wired for aggression, that provides a lot of years to behave badly…

But there’s more, and a lot of it has to do with status. Males, for better or worse, are ferociously protective of their position in any tribe, community, or society, and any threat to that position goes to the core of their identity and self-esteem. It’s a common observation in times of recession that while loss of a job is miserable for both genders, it’s the males who are likelier to become completely undone by it. Without the role of worker and money-earner, men feel hollowed-out, and that too often calls for revenge. it’s not for nothing that the victims in workplace shootings are often managers who just the month before demoted or sacked the shooter.

***

I do not blame the Pick-Up Artist community (or its somehow even more deeply tortured counterpart, the Anti-Pick-Up-Artist community) for the deaths of seven people. The man who committed this horrific crime is responsible for this heinous act. But I was interested to see how these groups are reacting to the news. It is disturbing, if not surprising, that they are using these murders to reinforce their hatred of women and “Beta” men, and to cement their own status at the top of the pyramid.

When news of the shooting broke, PUA Hate members attempted to absolve themselves by critiquing Rodger’s sex appeal (“Short lower third and gay midface, with zero brow ridge,” one decided), ridiculing his mother’s looks, and scrambling to assert authority among themselves. (“Only high-T guys should be allowed to give advice here. Nich, can you add that as a rule?” one poster said). Another poster suggested that Rodger was such a Beta that no one would care if he’d murdered people…

Misogyny and violence against women are social problems as well as individual ones. The fact that these men see “game” as the remedy to all personal and social ills is perhaps the greatest indictment of the way they view the world.

***

Rodger’s horrifying violence, the videos he posted, and the way he saw himself are all extreme. But they’re also a reflection of the way poisonous ideals of masculinity affect men. To some extent, I’ve felt the frustration Rodger felt, and I think other men may feel it as well. This is not an excuse for Rodger’s actions, but something more painful: a confrontation of the ways in which he’s not deviant, but typical. Acknowledging that seems like an important part of making sure this kind of thinking doesn’t remain typical any longer…

In her book Between Men, Eve Sedgwick dissects this kind of thinking: Men typically route their feelings toward and competition with one another through women, she says. Women become tools through which men show their power and worth to other men. Success with women is also an important part of men’s self-image—that’s a big part of what it means to “be a man.” This seems to be the kind of thinking at work when Rodger says he feels like women are “treat[ing] me like scum” when they have boyfriends who aren’t him. To him, women aren’t people; they’re markers of who is and who is not a man. If a woman chooses someone else, the thinking goes, that means Rodger and others like him are not men…

This kind of thinking creates a version of male identity that is bifurcated, or split in two. There is the man you should be, and then there is the failed, non-man thing you are. You can see this in ugly detail in Rodger’s videos, where he veers back and forth between outlandish claims of his own magnificence and despairing statements of his own inconsequentiality. At one moment he’s the “ultimate gentlemen,” the next he’s “so invisible as I walk through my college, because none of the girls pay attention to me.” He is super human and then he’s nothing; there’s no space between the two. For Rodger, this could only be resolved with the ultimate expression of “manliness”: violence. “If I can’t have you girls, I will destroy you,” he says. And he destroyed himself, too: that pitiful failed thing who was not a man.

***

Among men, misogyny hides in plain sight, and not just because most men are oblivious to the problem or callous toward its impact. Men who objectify and threaten women often strategically obscure their actions from other men, taking care to harass women when other men aren’t around.

The night after the murders, I was at a backyard party in New York, talking with a female friend, when a drunk man stepped right between us. “I was thinking the exact same thing,” he said. As we had been discussing pay discrepancies between male and female journalists, we informed him that this was unlikely. But we politely endured him as he dominated our conversation, insisted on hugging me, and talked too long about his obsession with my friend’s hair. I escaped inside, and my friend followed a few minutes later. The guy had asked for her phone number, and she had declined, informing him that she was married and, by the way, her husband was at the party. “Why did I say that? I wouldn’t have been interested in him even if I weren’t married,” she told me. “Being married was, like, the sixth most pressing reason you weren’t into him,” I said. We agreed that she had said this because aggressive men are more likely to defer to another man’s domain than to accept a woman’s autonomous rejection of him…

These are forms of male aggression that only women see. But even when men are afforded a front seat to harassment, they don’t always have the correct vantage point for recognizing the subtlety of its operation. Four years before the murders, I was sitting in a bar in Washington, D.C. with a male friend. Another young woman was alone at the bar when an older man scooted next to her. He was aggressive, wasted, and sitting too close, but she smiled curtly at his ramblings and laughed softly at his jokes as she patiently downed her drink. “Why is she humoring him?” my friend asked me. “You would never do that.” I was too embarrassed to say: “Because he looks scary” and “I do it all the time.”

***

Alongside American Psycho and “My Twisted World,” the killer’s autobiography, we could place Hamlet, another story about a hyper-privileged young man whose fury, fear and confusion around sex and manliness sent him into a postmodern spiral of self-obsession and carnage.

In today’s culture, where we sometimes seem to want everyone to be recognized as a hero, we can fail to see that heroism often comes at a great price. Hamlet refused to accept that heroism was his destiny, because of the behavior it required. One tradition of masculinity crashed against another. The result was tragedy.

For too many young men today, something similar seems poised to happen again and again. One tradition of manliness points them toward the worship of wealth, sex, and power—and toward crushing depression if all those things elude their grasp. Another tradition of manliness would point them toward discipline, sacrifice, and self-denial.

The first tradition, in fairy-tale terms, is the villain tradition. The second is for heroes. But in today’s world, the worst of traditionalism is being aggrandized, and the best is being lost in the noise.

***

How much longer are we going to be in denial that there’s a thing called “rape culture” and we ought to do something about it?

No, not the straw man that all men are constantly plotting rape, but that we live in an entitlement culture where guys think they need to be having sex with girls in order to be happy and fulfilled. That in a culture that constantly celebrates the narrative of guys trying hard, overcoming challenges, concocting clever ruses and automatically getting a woman thrown at them as a prize as a result, there will always be some guy who crosses the line into committing a violent crime to get what he “deserves,” or get vengeance for being denied it.

To paraphrase the great John Oliver, listen up, fellow self-pitying nerd boys—we are not the victims here. We are not the underdogs. We are not the ones who have our ownership over our bodies and our emotions stepped on constantly by other people’s entitlement. We’re not the ones where one out of six of us will have someone violently attempt to take control of our bodies in our lifetimes…

What did Elliot Rodger need? He didn’t need to get laid. None of us nerdy frustrated guys need to get laid. When I was an asshole with rants full of self-pity and entitlement, getting laid would not have helped me.

He needed to grow up.

***

The people who commit mass acts of violence are crazy. Some are also ideologically motivated. We call them terrorists. And yet while in America we’re quick to recognize and politicize the broader implications of Islamic extremism, misogyny is treated not as an ideology but simply a sub-category of crazy.

That not only ignores but quietly allows misogyny-as-ideology to go unexamined in all its other forms, from domestic violence to date rape to street harassment to economic inequality and more—chalking injustice up to individual aberrations rather than a system of dehumanization that is both perpetuated and protected by our social, political, and economic structures.

If the Santa Barbara shooter had been Muslim, and left the same sorts of video screeds and more, our government and media would undoubtedly be labeling this incident as terrorism. Just as an Islamic fundamentalist terrorist sets out to kill American infidels simply because they are “American infidels,” the Santa Barbara shooter set out to kill women simply because they were women. You tell me the difference. To fail to label the latter terrorism suggests a politicized use of the term, one interested in defending Judeo-Christian Americans and values, but not women.

***

It is striking how therapeutic is the language used by Rodger in his videos and his murder manifesto. He talks about how people’s attitudes towards him “really decreased my self-esteem.” He clearly sees such assaults on his self-esteem as unacceptable, saying “if they won’t accept me… then they are my enemies.” In short, fail to offer recognition to this damaged creature and you will pay the price. And then he makes the key cry of our therapeutic era: “It’s not fair. Life is not fair.”…

This isn’t a religious thing. There’s no evidence that Rodger thought he was a messiah, as other nutjobs have. Rather, it’s a therapeutic thing. Therapy culture has created a new army of little gods made fearsomely angry by any perceived insult against their self-esteem. It has generated groups of people who, like something out of the Old Testament, think nothing of squishing things that offend them or hurt their sense of self-worth. It has made a whole new anti-social generation whose desire to protect themselves from emotional harm overrides the older human instinct to engage with other people and be tolerant of their differences. When Rodger says “I am a living god,” he is speaking, not from any kind of wacky religious script, but from the mainstream bible of therapy. The cult of therapy convinces individuals they are gods and that their self-esteem is a gospel that must not be blasphemed against. As the New York Times columnist David Brooks once said of a therapeutic self-help guide to life, death, and life after death, “In this heaven, God and his glory are not the center of attention. It’s all about you.” The self has elbowed aside God; the self is God, as Rodger seems to have realised.

Perhaps we should see Rodger as a kind of therapeutic terrorist, using murder to gain recognition; his rampage can be seen as a very violent therapy session, a real primal scream in defense of his sacred self-esteem.

***

“I don’t care about your sympathy. I don’t give a s— that you feel sorry for me,” Richard Martinez said during an extensive interview, his face flushed as tears rolled down his face. “Get to work and do something. I’ll tell the president the same thing if he calls me. Getting a call from a politician doesn’t impress me.”

Saying “we are all to blame” for the death of his 20-year-old son, Martinez urged the public to join him in demanding “immediate action” from members of Congress and President Obama to curb gun violence by passing stricter gun-control laws.

“Today, I’m going to ask every person I can find to send a postcard to every politician they can think of with three words on it: Not one more,” he said Tuesday. “People are looking for something to do. I’m asking people to stand up for something. Enough is enough.”

***

Nevertheless, as disturbing as this is, we have a good word for attitudes and behavior such as this. That word is “crazy.” The essential trouble with the panoply of indignant hashtags and self-righteous op-eds that have appeared in the aftermath of the outrage is that they have tended to establish a false dichotomy: Either one believes that this incident is directly reflective of a given problem or one is denying that that given problem exists at all. This is silly and manipulative. To suggest that the cartoon misogyny of an extremely disturbed young man is not usefully related to women’s rights in general is not to suggest that women face no problems in America at all — any more than to suggest that dismissing as schizophrenia the “microwave machine” surveillance-paranoia of the sick man who shot up the Navy Yard implies that Americans have nothing to fear from wiretaps or the relentless pace of the Internet. It is just to say that the shooter’s ostensible motive is of limited utility going forward, and that if it wasn’t this, it would almost certainly have been something else

All told, the killer hated everybody. He hated himself. He hated women. He hated other men because women liked them. He hated white people because he was only half-white, and he hated minorities because he wasn’t as non-white as they were. He craved sex, but was also disgusted by it. He hated his classmates, but also his whole town, which he had originally planned to wipe out in toto on Halloween. Four of the victims were men, two were women; three were ethnic Chinese, three were white. This was a crime whose execution was as complicated — and, possibly, as meaningless — as its conception. When terror strikes, the first word to our lips is “why?” We sully the search for genuine answers when, just hours into our inquiry, we are seen already to have woven the questions into our Weltanschauung.

***

Why, in our age of unprecedented plenty—and, at least in America, unprecedented power for women—is victimhood so appealing to so many? When complete strangers were murdered on the West Coast, why do hundreds of thousands of people, healthy in body if not in mind, enthusiastically latch on, insisting that they were victims too?

For certain people, the Internet offers a compelling, powerful alternate universe in which to dwell. Press reports describe the accused murderer as living in a lonely world of YouTube videos, video games, and twisted representations of reality. In his mind, everything—every loss, every perceived failure, every tiny personal slight, real or imagined—was blown out of proportion. Everything was taken personally. Everything, in the end, was all about him and his imagined victimhood.

Scarily, many of the posters on #YesAllWomen, to varying degrees, seem to share the same problem. For all of his hatred of women, the crazed, lonely murderer and the impassioned “feminist” Twitter activists might have something in common after all. Yikes, ladies. Yikes.

***

“Please listen to me,” Beck begged his audience. “You’ve got to get the video games out of your child’s hands. Please. I’m having a hard enough time trying to do it in my own home. … Enough. No more. Because they cannot handle it. This is not the same as Pac-Man. It is not the same. These are virtual worlds where they live. They live in these worlds; talk to them.”

“Brains are being rewired here,” Beck’s co-host Pat Gray added, “and nobody is paying attention.”

***


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#smoochwars

SparkPlug on May 28, 2014 at 2:13 AM

LMAO

Hello my little nugget

bazil9 on May 28, 2014 at 2:17 AM

The Widespread GOP #WarSmoochesOnWimminz

PointnClick on May 28, 2014 at 2:21 AM

Three bishes in a nite…

PointnClick on May 28, 2014 at 2:22 AM

PointnClick on May 28, 2014 at 2:21 AM

lol

bazil9 on May 28, 2014 at 2:22 AM

Ok, I’m back, did anyone miss me?

oscarwilde on May 28, 2014 at 2:24 AM

She Never Spoke Spanish To Me

novaculus on May 28, 2014 at 2:26 AM

Speaking of wimminz, there is a Cialis commercial on the TV… and the marketing guy in me wonders if the the ad agency making the Cialis ads have anything close to a clue what a pain in the ass hauling two cast iron clawfoot bathtubs up on top of a mountain truly is…

Thanks for giving women that idea, jackasses…

PointnClick on May 28, 2014 at 2:27 AM

Thanks for giving women that idea, jackasses…

PointnClick on May 28, 2014 at 2:27 AM

It enough to make you wonder who cialis is being marketed to…

oscarwilde on May 28, 2014 at 2:30 AM

Adam Bomb – I Want My Heavy Metal

non-nonpartisan on May 28, 2014 at 2:30 AM

Paris, Texas

novaculus on May 28, 2014 at 2:34 AM

I gotta go to bed… moving Mom-in-law’s stuff out of her apartment tomorrow. I have to be a daywalker for a week…

PointnClick on May 28, 2014 at 2:35 AM

Ok, I’m back, did anyone miss me?

oscarwilde on May 28, 2014 at 2:24 AM

Smooch.

SparkPlug on May 28, 2014 at 2:39 AM

Hello my little nugget

bazil9 on May 28, 2014 at 2:17 AM

Howdy my little juniper berry.

SparkPlug on May 28, 2014 at 2:40 AM

Come back, Flange! You are missed at HotAir headlines in the mornings! Wittiest commenter ever.

I’m beginning to feel like that person who always talked about ResistWeMuch being missed. Axe or Ace.

Good night, all!

bluegill on May 28, 2014 at 1:58 AM

Maybe you all could arrange a double date? That would be exciting.

non-nonpartisan on May 28, 2014 at 2:40 AM

Smooch.

SparkPlug on May 28, 2014 at 2:39 AM

Well, Sparky isn’t particularly discriminating…

PointnClick on May 28, 2014 at 2:40 AM

POP!

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 2:41 AM

{{{hugs}}} all round :)

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 2:42 AM

Abba – Lovelight

non-nonpartisan on May 28, 2014 at 2:42 AM

POP!

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 2:41 AM

{{Scrumpydoodles}}

oscarwilde on May 28, 2014 at 2:42 AM

POP!

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 2:42 AM

{{Oscar}}

Hi :)

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 2:43 AM

{{{hugs}}} all round :)

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 2:42 AM

Yippie. Scrumps is with us now. I’m watching her wings carefully to see when she will take flight. They I will pounce and get some smoochbooty.

SparkPlug on May 28, 2014 at 2:44 AM

Ok, I’m back, did anyone miss me?

oscarwilde on May 28, 2014 at 2:24 AM

Smooch.

SparkPlug on May 28, 2014 at 2:39 AM


Get some hot water, get some disinfectant, get some iodine…

oscarwilde on May 28, 2014 at 2:44 AM

PnC Sparky Non-non nova and B9!!

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 2:44 AM

Who could ever forget this classic.

Men Without Hats – Pop Goes The World

non-nonpartisan on May 28, 2014 at 2:45 AM

OMG. Axe is such a big deal people think his name is Ace.

SparkPlug on May 28, 2014 at 2:45 AM

Hi :)

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 2:43 AM

Good evening Scrumpy…

oscarwilde on May 28, 2014 at 2:45 AM

….and get some smoochbooty.

SparkPlug on May 28, 2014 at 2:44 AM

Me ‘n’ B9 got youse covered ;) {{hugs}}

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 2:46 AM

Axe/Ace is a huge deal the real deal! he better not even think about leavin’… :)

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 2:48 AM

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 2:46 AM

I gawt my hands full. hehe.

Hey Dire left to work on his puzzle. He is putting the left one where the right one was and vice versa. Call it a boob job.

SparkPlug on May 28, 2014 at 2:48 AM

Hello Scrumpy.

non-nonpartisan on May 28, 2014 at 2:49 AM

He is putting the left one where the right one was and vice versa. Call it a boob job.

SparkPlug on May 28, 2014 at 2:48 AM

You sure it isn’t just on a count of he’s dyslexic?

oscarwilde on May 28, 2014 at 2:50 AM

SparkPlug on May 28, 2014 at 2:48 AM

You should help him, I am working on a puzzle too, but it’s top secret and hush hush ;)

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 2:51 AM

EBN-OZN – AEIOU Sometimes Y

non-nonpartisan on May 28, 2014 at 2:51 AM

Under The Stars

G’night, all…

novaculus on May 28, 2014 at 2:53 AM

You should help him, I am working on a puzzle too, but it’s top secret and hush hush ;)

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 2:51 AM

Hush hush, or blush blush???

oscarwilde on May 28, 2014 at 2:54 AM

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 2:51 AM

Ok. Better whisper it softly. There are spies among us. Lanceman is lurking.

SparkPlug on May 28, 2014 at 2:54 AM

G’night, all…

novaculus on May 28, 2014 at 2:53 AM

Good night Nova…

oscarwilde on May 28, 2014 at 2:55 AM

These anti-gun lefty nutjobs keep forgetting on simple thing, and I am mad as heck about it.

How dare they advocate to take away MY gun and MY ability to protect MYself from crazy looney nut jobs like this kid was. Are they gonna come to my aid?

Hells no.

So, leave us the hells alone!!

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 2:55 AM

Well, Sparky isn’t particularly discriminating…

PointnClick on May 28, 2014 at 2:40 AM

Smooch.

SparkPlug on May 28, 2014 at 2:55 AM

novaculus on May 28, 2014 at 2:53 AM

Good Night Nova and God Bless!! :)

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 2:56 AM

Heavy Bones – 4:AM T.M.

non-nonpartisan on May 28, 2014 at 2:56 AM

oscarwilde on May 28, 2014 at 2:54 AM

On the ‘blush’ radar yeah, it’s a 95!! ;)

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 2:57 AM

I misses him ):

But I pops in up top and watches him have so much fun up there!!

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 2:58 AM

Smooch.

SparkPlug on May 28, 2014 at 2:55 AM

Smooches

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 2:59 AM

Thanks for giving women that idea, jackasses…

PointnClick on May 28, 2014 at 2:27 AM

I never understood the two bathtubs thing. If you were trying to get it on, wouldn’t you want to be in the same tub?

Wouldn’t you rather be damned near anywhere other than a cast-iron bathtub?

Just doesn’t seem optimal.

trigon on May 28, 2014 at 3:03 AM

Smooch.

SparkPlug on May 28, 2014 at 2:55 AM

Dude… this is how rumors get started…

PointnClick on May 28, 2014 at 3:03 AM

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 2:59 AM

I’ve been defending your honor. Apparently there an many poser poets around. Impostor wanna-be Scrumpy poet pikers. Fakes, frauds and charlatans. Cheesball poet imitators. Like foul parrots parroting poetry lines.

I abhor them all. There is only one ScrumpDoodlebug poet worth my valuable time. The real Scrumpy.

SparkPlug on May 28, 2014 at 3:04 AM

Hello my little nugget

bazil9 on May 28, 2014 at 2:17 AM

Howdy my little juniper berry.

SparkPlug on May 28, 2014 at 2:40 AM

*howl* hello my little Le Sueur pea

bazil9 on May 28, 2014 at 3:05 AM

I never understood the two bathtubs thing. If you were trying to get it on, wouldn’t you want to be in the same tub?

Wouldn’t you rather be damned near anywhere other than a cast-iron bathtub?

Just doesn’t seem optimal.

trigon on May 28, 2014 at 3:03 AM

See, I always go for the girl that has the good sense to bathe BEFORE we get to the mountaintop.

PointnClick on May 28, 2014 at 3:05 AM

{{{oscar}}}

{{Scrumps}}

{{Point & Click}}}

bazil9 on May 28, 2014 at 3:07 AM

Somewhere the moon rotates
Its white luminous form
Drawing within the dark liquid space
The route for my leaving.
And so almost upon the shore
My body is gently drawn.

I feebly fight – pulling at ocean waves,
Grains of sand and little pebbles.
But there is nothing I can really grasp,
No resting place into which
My memory can’t clasp…

I roll back in submission to un-certainty.
To reflect again in the sunrise;
Feel the cool, depths of nothingness;
Taste the salt of stormy tears; accept my loss.

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 3:08 AM

PointnClick on May 28, 2014 at 2:27 AM

trigon on May 28, 2014 at 3:03 AM

The point is, it’s being advertised to the women, cute romantic setting, hoping the women will tell their men that they need that crapola…

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 3:11 AM

bazil9 on May 28, 2014 at 3:07 AM

Hope all is well with you this cool damp night!! :)

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 3:12 AM

evening HA..
in the SB case..
the left came out, (as usual) and started right off with guns are evil..
we gotta outlaw guns.. guns are bad… blah blah blah..
question..
will they try and out law knives next or BMW’s??..
the kids also stabbed ppl and ran them over with his BMW..
so I am concerned with… what’s next?

going2mars on May 28, 2014 at 3:12 AM

bazil9 on May 28, 2014 at 3:07 AM

Hope all is well with you this cool damp night!! :)

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 3:12 AM

Cool, damp night? lol..hotter then hell here. :)

Hope all is going well for you 2!

bazil9 on May 28, 2014 at 3:13 AM

Smoking in my garage right now and sweating.

bazil9 on May 28, 2014 at 3:14 AM

King Kobra – Take It Off

non-nonpartisan on May 28, 2014 at 3:16 AM

evening HA..
in the SB case..
the left came out, (as usual) and started right off with guns are evil..
we gotta outlaw guns.. guns are bad… blah blah blah..
question..
will they try and out law knives next or BMW’s??..
the kids also stabbed ppl and ran them over with his BMW..
so I am concerned with… what’s next?

going2mars on May 28, 2014 at 3:12 AM

Hey. You call that a poem. Haaah.

Anyhow I’m getting this cyclone.

What say you?

SparkPlug on May 28, 2014 at 3:17 AM

bazil9 on May 28, 2014 at 3:14 AM

Enjoy ur ciggy :)

doing ok, got a bad case of heartburn oherwise I’d be sleepin’ ):

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 3:17 AM

Somewhere the moon rotates
Its white luminous form
Drawing within the dark liquid space
The route for my leaving.
And so almost upon the shore
My body is gently drawn.

I feebly fight – pulling at ocean waves,
Grains of sand and little pebbles.
But there is nothing I can really grasp,
No resting place into which
My memory can’t clasp…

I roll back in submission to un-certainty.
To reflect again in the sunrise;
Feel the cool, depths of nothingness;
Taste the salt of stormy tears; accept my loss.

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 3:08 AM

Now that’s a poem. We are not worthy.

SparkPlug on May 28, 2014 at 3:18 AM

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 3:17 AM

Poor girl..take a Tag or pepcid?

I’ve had a bad tooth infection and sleeping like crazy.
Dozed off early and now I am wide awake..ugh.

bazil9 on May 28, 2014 at 3:20 AM

going2mars on May 28, 2014 at 3:12 AM

Nuthin’ else interests them for now…

It will be wall to wall anti-guns for the next 2 weeks or better…

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 3:20 AM

bazil9 on May 28, 2014 at 3:20 AM

Oh dang, that’s horrible B9…

Got nothing tried mustard, didn’t work,so, me too, up for now, in good company :)

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 3:22 AM

SparkPlug on May 28, 2014 at 3:17 AM

why not just get a collector?

http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/2083193/34529/Jet-Vortex-Cone-Dust-Collector-15HP-1PH-115230V-2-Micron-Canister-Kit-Model-DC-1100VX-CK.aspx

going2mars on May 28, 2014 at 3:22 AM

Gary Hoey – Linus and Lucy (Peanuts Theme)

non-nonpartisan on May 28, 2014 at 3:23 AM

up for now, in good company :)

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 3:22 AM

Indeed :)

bazil9 on May 28, 2014 at 3:23 AM

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 3:20 AM

evening..
so you think my kitchen knives and bimmers are safe ??

going2mars on May 28, 2014 at 3:24 AM

non-nonpartisan on May 28, 2014 at 3:23 AM

Never heard that before :)

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 3:25 AM

going2mars on May 28, 2014 at 3:22 AM

I will save up and get that thing. Its a beast. Gotta have it.

SparkPlug on May 28, 2014 at 3:26 AM

going2mars on May 28, 2014 at 3:24 AM

You got a beemer? How cool ;)

Knives, nah, maybe they will make a lefty have wet dreams thinking about how to snatch them from our hot hands!! Lol…

They sure get off on tryin’ to get our guns!!

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 3:27 AM

Never heard that before :)

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 3:25 AM

=) he’s really good.

non-nonpartisan on May 28, 2014 at 3:30 AM

SparkPlug on May 28, 2014 at 3:26 AM

I work a thickness sander and a jointer and a table saw with mine..
does great..
I still have a sealing air filter for the sanding and lathe work dusts..

ps..storms knocked down my neighbors mulberry tree..
I scored a life time supply of mulberry wood…for free..!!

going2mars on May 28, 2014 at 3:30 AM

non-nonpartisan on May 28, 2014 at 3:30 AM

Bookmarked it so I can listen to more at leisure:)

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 3:32 AM

Skid Row? lol

Slik Toxik – Helluvatime

non-nonpartisan on May 28, 2014 at 3:33 AM

I scored a life time supply of mulberry wood…for free..!!

going2mars on May 28, 2014 at 3:30 AM

It’s good for burning? Someone told me it sparked alot?

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 3:33 AM

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 3:27 AM
“You got a beemer? How cool ;)”

er..uhmm…no.. I have 3 here now..
I need a larger garage..
and more guns.. ammo…
I have enough kitchen ware so im good there….

going2mars on May 28, 2014 at 3:33 AM

non-nonpartisan on May 28, 2014 at 3:33 AM

now that’s good too!!

longhaired freaky headbangers!! ;)

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 3:35 AM

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 3:33 AM

Bmore told me to dry it and spin it…
its really solid.. I bet it burns like coal..
beautiful orange .. I am cutting and sealing the ends now..

going2mars on May 28, 2014 at 3:36 AM

sold my beemer last year but have a huge set of
J.A. Henckels- shhhhhh

Guns? what guns? ;)

bazil9 on May 28, 2014 at 3:36 AM

going2mars on May 28, 2014 at 3:33 AM

Only 3?

Yer slackin’ ;)

I got CUTCO knives, best ever knives and stuff…

http://www.cutco.com/products/thumbnail.jsp?category=20

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 3:38 AM

going2mars on May 28, 2014 at 3:36 AM

Bmore knows his wood!!

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 3:39 AM

now that’s good too!!

longhaired freaky headbangers!! ;)

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 3:35 AM

=) I like this one a lot, too. It’s not a cover.

Wildside – Hair of the Dog

non-nonpartisan on May 28, 2014 at 3:40 AM

bazil9 on May 28, 2014 at 3:36 AM

Nice Knives!!

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 3:41 AM

bazil9 on May 28, 2014 at 3:36 AM

well you can bury the Henckels n guns in the yard…
to hide them from the feds if you have to…
try that with a small fleet of bimmers… not so easy..
so its a good thing the Libs don’t see owning a BMW as a crime…yet
I guess running ppl down with your car isnt the ‘cars fault’…yet
(isn’t that what caused the hole in the BMW’s windshield?)

going2mars on May 28, 2014 at 3:42 AM

bazil9 on May 28, 2014 at 3:36 AM

Nice Knives!!

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 3:41 AM

Thx..I like to cook and grill..need good knives!..but I long for
some Wusthof. Way out of budget.

bazil9 on May 28, 2014 at 3:43 AM

non-nonpartisan on May 28, 2014 at 3:40 AM

I like all the ‘hair’ rock bands, they sound good!

Whitesnake, Winger, Scorpion etc etc etc :)

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 3:44 AM

Bmore knows his wood!!

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 3:39 AM

I am so glad you said that…and not me..

“Only 3?

Yer slackin’ ;)”

well one is a JCW Mini.. so i’ll tell the feds its british..!!

going2mars on May 28, 2014 at 3:44 AM

bazil9 on May 28, 2014 at 3:43 AM

Have you tried CUTCO? Nicely balanced, lifetime warranty, sharp as heck!!

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 3:46 AM

going2mars on May 28, 2014 at 3:42 AM

Do you collect cars?

bazil9 on May 28, 2014 at 3:46 AM

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 3:46 AM

Nope never have..I should checkem out.

bazil9 on May 28, 2014 at 3:47 AM

I like German beer, knives and cars. =)

bazil9 on May 28, 2014 at 3:47 AM

I like all the ‘hair’ rock bands, they sound good!

Whitesnake, Winger, Scorpion etc etc etc :)

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 3:44 AM

Up with metal, down with alternative! =)

Thunder – Dirty Love

non-nonpartisan on May 28, 2014 at 3:49 AM

going2mars on May 28, 2014 at 3:44 AM

Now yer talking!!

Mini Cooper SS my fav, always was and will be

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 3:49 AM

non-nonpartisan on May 28, 2014 at 3:49 AM

So far yer metal rocks!! I like it, I like any rock really.

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 3:51 AM

bazil9 on May 28, 2014 at 3:46 AM

not really.. I just have one vintage 1972/3 2002
a 318 ti and the JCW mini,,,
and a van to tow my raft around when its rafting time.. :)

what kind of bimmer did you sell?
and have you all tried the ceramic knives??

going2mars on May 28, 2014 at 3:51 AM

Romeo’s Daughter – Heaven In The Backseat

non-nonpartisan on May 28, 2014 at 3:54 AM

…have you all tried the ceramic knives??

going2mars on May 28, 2014 at 3:51 AM

Have not tried any ceramic knives, seen them…

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 3:54 AM

going2mars on May 28, 2014 at 3:51 AM

Ah, sweet on the vintage!

I had a 2012 328i.

No, I haven’t tried ceramic knives.

Had my set for a while and occasionally pick up
a single piece. Love my tomato knife :)

bazil9 on May 28, 2014 at 3:54 AM

Mini Cooper SS my fav, always was and will be

Scrumpy on May 28, 2014 at 3:49 AM

do you know the JCW mini??..
http://www.miniusa.com/content/miniusa/en/model/john-cooper-works.html

going2mars on May 28, 2014 at 3:57 AM

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